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"The one mistake we can't make is treat each year like a disparate event and try to be as good as we can that year without being mindful of the future years," Friedman said. "And so people talk a lot about 2010, that we went all in and I would agree with that from a financial standpoint. We way over-extended ourselves to field the team that we did, but we definitely didn’t from a talent standpoint. We didn’t trade off a lot of guys that are going to be key members of the 2011 and beyond."

(SM Sandy MS Paintz wouldn't pass the AA censorship)

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Basic Principles

 

1) Keeping prospects (and not signing Type A Free Agents)

The farm is generally the main source of surplus value to build a competitive team. IMO we are not at that point of the projected win curve to push over a big trade, nor our farm is deep enough to withstand it. Yeah, not all prospects pan out (in fact only a few do), and if there was an opportunity to trade for a superstar under a team friendly contract it should be considered. Then to the next point,

2) Avoiding large trades with too many moving pieces (trying to keep it realistic)

Based on the money available, go bargain shopping (non-tenders, 2nd/3rd tier Free Agents, Rule 5 picks, exploring the possibility of cheap trades). Prepare backup options in case the trades proposals are refused. Preference to trade with dumb GMs (or in win-now disillusion) or try to involve them in a 3-way trade. This is not always possible since teams with depth generally have smart GMs. (Yeah, I'd like to avoid it but it won't be possible)

3) Signing short term deals, with low base salaries

Keeping the payroll clear for the exodus and getting under appreciated/undervalued complementary players. The projected roster might not be +90 winz, instead of adding superstar type players, attempt to round up the roster and add average players. Not spending much on the pen. Some FA signings might net draft picks in the future (Type B, borderline qualified players).

4) Increasing depth, particularly at SP and C

Starters can always get hurt, miss a few games or be generally ineffective. It's uncommon for a team to have only 5 or 6 pitchers making starts during one year. Johan might take longer to recover. Instead of giving starts to replacement level players, it would be preferable to have fall back options. Try not to rush prospects, start them at the minors and call them up if someone is hurt or doesn't produce. Priority to get SP, SP, C, SP, pen (our depth and replacements at those positions are non-existent/worse than at the other positions; pitchers break down). Try to solve 2B and OF in-house.

5) Beware of the "if healthy" tag

Beware of the danger of upside, the production probability curve might be misunderstood by the market. It's not just a matter of "if healthy" = 6 WAR, "if not healthy" = 0 WAR, by the flip of a coin. A former star could produce +6 WAR again, but the probability might be really low (like 5-10%), specially for pitchers. It's not just a matter of "being healthy", but being as effective as before. Low base salaries plus incentives, with backup options.

6) Digging pitchers

Instead of looking just at WAR or FIP, try to find value in other peripherals: ugly ERA, high BABIP, pitchers playing in hitters park, good pitchers buried in the depth chart etc. Even though a high GB% is generally preferred, sometimes it's not taken into account. Another thing to keep in mind is infield flyouts (IFF or pop ups). They are converted into outs in 98.5% of the times and have the run value equivalent of a strikeout. Usually flyball pitchers have the tendency to produce more IFF, but there might be cases when a pitcher has a moderate GB% and above-average IFF%. This worked all in theory, but when applying those filters the search results didn't go exactly as planned. Most of the time, the filter displayed the already-superstars pitchers.

 

Moves

1) Try to trade for Kenshin Kawakami (1y/4m)

Yeah, their FO is not stupid and it might be hard to trade within the division, but he is buried deep in their SP chart, he didn't pitch much this year, seems like he was the Nick Evans of the Braves. They are basically paying $ 6.7m for a relief pitcher next year. After he was demoted to AA, some Japanese teams showed interested to trade for him, assuming $ 3m of his salary. Assuming $ 4m to $ 5m is not out of the question for a pitcher who could produce average numbers (all his peripherals are average-ish across the board, K%, BB%, GB%, IFF%). Braves get salary relief (and a PTBNL) for a pitcher they don't plan to use much (or at all) and he gets the opportunity to be a starter again. It might take less than $ 4m, but I'll keep the number high for conservative projections.

2) Sign Vicente Padilla (1y/4m)

Type B, not offered arbitration. Average-ish across the board, decent peripherals, track record is meh outside of the last 2 years.

3) Sign Russell Martin (1y/2m)

He is coming from an injury in August (torn labrum in his right hip), so low base salary + incentives. Playing time between 55%-25%. Ask around about Chris Iannetta or Mike Napoli. Dioner Navarro as fallback option.

33) Sign Chris Capuano (1y/2.5m)

Reasonable K%, GB% and IFF%, bad BB%. Will compete for a SP slot. Long man/spot starter most likely. Insurance if another starter is ineffective or hurt.

50) Pen moves

Joel Peralta (1y/1.5m) wow at his IFF% this year, needs to check if he changed his pitch selection, Hideki Okajima (1y/$2 m), Manny Delcarmen (1y/$low??), Taylor Buchholz (1y/$low??)

Uehara is a candidate, but I don't want to pay more than 1y/2.5m + incentives.

78) Make Rickroll the official 7th inning song and introduce the orange unis.

 

81) Rule V picks

If chosen in the Rule 5 draft, a player must be kept on the selecting team's 25-man major league roster for the entire season after the draft—he may not be optioned or designated to the minors. The selecting team may, at any time, waive the Rule 5 draftee. If a Rule 5 draftee clears waivers by not signing with a new MLB team, he must be offered back to the original team, effectively canceling the Rule 5 draft choice. Once a Rule 5 draftee spends an entire season on his new team's 25-man roster, his status reverts to normal and he may be optioned or designated for assignment.

I'm not sure if it's possible, but I'd try to trade one of our unprotected Rule V picks to another team's pick, to avoid putting the prospect in on the 25-man roster for the year, and let them develop in the minors until we can them up. Or get them in the Rule V and try to evaluate them until ST. Or get them in the minor league version of the Rule V draft. Or else.

Brad Emaus (hat tip to David G), Marquez Smith, Josh Rodriguez (2B/backup infield).

Aneury Rodriguez, Adam Miller (RP) 

95) Hire Jaime Cevallos to fix Dub's hitting in 5 minutes

96) Relocate KB to the tacos' stand

97) Ollie and Castillo

Give them the GMJ solution: try to trade them away paying all but $ 2m of their contracts. If even Dayton Moore doesn't want them, DFA. Those roster spots have value too, you know what I'm sayin'?

99) Call Socks!, go back in time and sign Matt Murton (insert unicorn flavored picture here)

 

Roster and Projections

 

I'm sure I've screwed many projections (ouch for calculating pitchers numbers, they don't really match up) and salaries too, but the OD roster would be:

 

Depth readily available (AAA)

Tejada (SS/2B), Pridie (CF, in case Beltran or Pagan go to the DL), Gee (SP), Misch (SP), Acosta (RP),Manuel Alvarez (RP), Mike O'Connor (RP), Nickeas (C).

TL;DR

That's basically a mid-80 winz team with a $ 145m~150m payroll. At this point, the team is basically forced to buy some risk, hoping for a huge production at a gamble (SP, 2B or OF), minor league signing or prospect breakout. With the remaining money, you can accommodate some mistakes I made with the salaries and with whatever is left I guess I'll buy a "Brad Penny" lottery ticket. 

 

 

Sure, there is the chance that players overperform those ruff projections, but I'm not counting on the "if everything goes right", nor with a +90 wins team. The hitting/fielding improvement would come basically from not giving PA's or innings to below-replacement level players (Francoeur, Cora, Barajas, etc). And not-Jerry.

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I was seriously trying to find room for Kawakami in my AAOP

but I just couldn’t squeeze his $4M. into my plan.
Also, I was looking at Brad Emaus for my McGowan trade (instead went for Carlos Perez) but I didn’t know he was a rule-5 candidate. We should really think about picking that kid up. He’s supposed to be a very well-rounded 2B. Koodos to you.
My only real complaint would be Padilla. I just don’t like the guy, never have. I’d use that $4M. elsewhere (Bannister, Corpas, and Gwynn Jr.?).
I count your acquisition totaling $18.5M, is that correct? If so I don’t know how you could be under budget assuming a $127.5M starting point (and $8M in arbitration raises).
Overall, if it’s not over budget, I think I really like this plan

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Dec 6, 2010 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

You took the overall payroll from Cot's, right?

From a cash perspective, the signing bonus is paid in full upfront, when the player signs with the team. That’s the same as adding each player salary listed in Cot’s for the year.
For accounting purposes only, the signing bonus is spread through the duration of the contract. Cot’s does that. For example, Bay has a salary of $ 16m in 2011, but Cot’s list him as $ 18.125, because they pro-rated his signing bonus ($ 8.5m/4 years). That’s pretty much the difference in the payroll calculations. I used the most common method of adding up the players salary.

About Padilla, is there any reason you would rather not have him? I looked up his stats and they were at least ok. For the last 500 batters faced, his K% was around 22% (league average is 16% and K% stabilizes with 150 BF). His BB% in the last 2 years was around 7% (league average is 8%). Even if those regress a bit, it would still be close to average. If he can pitch around 100 innings, it would be good enough. Adding a moderate GB% (40ish), IFF (9%) and this:

He is well known for being one of the few modern day pitchers to make use of the eephus pitch, which he has been seen to throw as slow as 50 mph in-game. The pitch has earned the nickname of “soap bubble” by Dodgers fans and longtime announcer Vin Scully. Padilla has a reputation of hitting batters with pitches. wiki

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The Unwritten Rules of AA

by Michkin on Dec 7, 2010 6:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I was actually using

this for the payroll numbers – but it looks like it does the same thing with the bonuses (listing Bay at $18.125M).

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Dec 7, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

With due respect to the other AAOPers

I think this one is my favorite. It includes some very good ideas, but doesn’t seem to be forcing moves like some out there. It also speaks to guiding philosophies before individual players, which more closely maps how I would like to think a smart FO would work. Also the “Not Jerry” +5 WAR and the “hawt yoga instructor,” the underpants gnomes reference (with +25 WAR, counting a strong fielding negative given their size), and if you ignore the underpants gnomes a reasonable estimate of wins I would expect next year. But why did you do that spreadsheet with non-American convention (using commas instead of full stops as decimal breaks)?

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by MookieTheCat on Dec 6, 2010 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks!

I thought it was important to outline “the process” or the guidelines that led to the moves. I added the non-player moves too, since they can only help the team (orange unis!).

But why did you do that spreadsheet with non-American convention (using commas instead of full stops as decimal breaks)?
Because I’m not American convention bound. Sometimes I use google spreadsheets to convert to American standard, but that’s a bit of a hassle.

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by Michkin on Dec 7, 2010 7:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought Kawakami

was non-tendered?

What's that about?

by Brian. on Dec 6, 2010 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

He's on the last year of a 3-year deal worth $23M

which pays out $7.667M in ‘09 and $6.667M in ’10 and ’11 each.
Interestingly enough, he has a similar clause in his contract to Tak’s: if he and the club don’t agree to new contract by 10/15/11 or one day after the final game of 2011 World Series, Kawakami may become a free agent. Basically it bypassing the service time clause and grants free agency if he’s not resigned.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Dec 7, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I like this plan a lot. It's all reasonable salary assumptions and no crazy

Nick Evans for Justin Upton type trades. There are some other AAOPs that field better teams, but are being unrealistic about getting Shields without giving up one of Mejia/Flores/Ike/Niese.

The Braves might do the trade if they look at our team and figure we’re a 500 team and no threat next year. We did flip Frenchy and Church 2 years ago so they’re not opposed to minor deals with us.

by FrancoTAU on Dec 7, 2010 5:01 AM EST reply actions  

Looks good.

But Russel Martin appears not be signing for 2 mil, having turned down 4.7 from the Dodgers.

by bjk3047 on Dec 7, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, but until that turn down

2 mil was where everyone expected him to be at.
It also might be that he’s looking to play on the east coast, so you never know.

by JoeBighead on Dec 7, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

2 negatives make a positive!

Or just double negative lol. In any case, it’s just 1 year.

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by Michkin on Dec 10, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Technically, though, wouldn't his 'actual' name be

some kanji script, meaning the romanization (that’s what it’s called, right?) of it isn’t technically his real name, meaning the curse would be counteracted?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 11, 2010 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

While I really do appreciate the time and effort,

your plan aims—imo—in very much the wrong direction. Spending the 25m available in the AAOP on a whole bunch of flyers and injury risks just doesn’t make sense to me. Russell Martin is an excellent example of your good graph, showing a player with every likelihood of not being productive (in Martin’s case his hip, as you note, a grave injury for a catcher).

It would have been helpful if you’d given your estimate of the true talent win level of the team as it’s currently constructed. Then we’d have a better idea of why you felt the need to take on risk, rather than aim for certainty. Your plan would make more sense to me if you felt the team was a 75 win team while believing it was essential to contend next season—then taking on a lot of risk makes more sense. I’d disagree with your assessment in that case, but it might make the overall dialogue more pointed and therefore more generally useful.

My two cents.

by Jack Str on Dec 15, 2010 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

Russell Martin was set to play only 150-200 AB, since Thole would be the primary catcher.

Even with his injury history, I wasn’t counting much on him. For the low price I was willing to go, and his reduced projected playing time, that was a risk worth taking. As mentioned before, the news that he rejected a $ 4.7m contract from the Dodgers came after I wrote the AAOP.

I don’t get where you got the 25m available. Are you counting on the arbitration eligible raises too? Those are pretty much set, unless someone plans to non-tender them. Even counting Uehara, it’s $ 18.5m added in signings.

I frankly don’t see Kawakami, Padilla and Capuano as flyers/injury risks, at least compared to those called “high risk/high upside SP”. I considered their break even point (haha) around 150, 125, 70 IP.

The plan wasn’t to purposely get risk on all signings, on the contrary, it was to get players who could be average and under market value, particularly to increase the SP depth. If anything, I wanted to avoid those truly risky like Sheets, Harden and Bedard, who profile as lottery tickets. Since the options/depth for SP and RP were worse than for 2B and bench OF, also considering the risk for pitchers and position players, the money went primarily to pitchers, trying to solve 2B and OF in house.

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by Michkin on Dec 16, 2010 6:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Most of the other AAOPs were adding around 25m, so I went with that.

I do see your point, but, for instance, Padilla was hurt and pitched only 95 innings last season.
Kawakami was hurt and threw only 87 innings last season (108 overall, iirc). Martin was injured, as you note, and it makes sense to limit his workload, but even that won’t keep him from getting hurt at inconvenient times.

You finished up at 144.5m, and while I admire your thrift, I still feel strongly that spending the 8m on Kwak and Padz (plus the add’l 5.5m you’d have been allowed to spend under the rules) instead on the best starter you can get for that money is a better use of resources than what I still see as real flyers on guys who are not only on the downsides of their careers, but are coming off years where they lost real time.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, even though we disagree.

by Jack Str on Dec 16, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Just to point out, Kawakami wasn't hurt last season.

They favored Kris Medlen and Mike Minor over him, to the point that he was forgotten in the pen or the minors. Apparently he killed Bobby Cox dog or something haha. Some Braves fans complain that “he takes too long to pitch, distracting his defense” or that “he tries too much to paint the corners”. I saw him as an useful average SP being under-used.

From all your other comments, I understand your point of pooling the resources to get a better starter. However, that would probably require a multi-year deal (which I’m trying to avoid at this moment), maybe some sort of trade. Instead, my choice was to build SP depth, considering we only have replacement level quality as fallback options.

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by Michkin on Dec 17, 2010 3:43 AM EST up reply actions  

My mistake. I had heard that was to cover an injury

but it looks like it wasn’t. Odd how he gave up a lot more H/9 in 2010 than in 2009 but fewer HR/9.

The replacement level you mention would be guys who put up 6+ ERAs. If you mean Gee and Misch, both are better than that. I don’t want them any higher than 7th or 8th on a depth chart, (and 9th and 10th would make me a lot more comfortable), but they’re both guys you can reasonably expect to put up 5.00 ERAs in 15 starts.

by Jack Str on Dec 18, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

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