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Disclaimer

I do not wish to advocate for the following to come to pass.  This is an experiment to see what kind of team would be created if the Mets gave into some sort of guilty temptation and actually blew up their core.  Trading Jose Reyes and David Wright is a risky proposition, and would shock the Mets fanbase more than any other move in the team's history (with the possible exception of the Seaver trade).  So, without further ado, let's take a look into... the Twilight Zone.

Star-divide

The Trades (because, really, these are all that matter here)

Note: numbers in (_) are the Baseball America prospect rankings.  I used the 2011 list for the Angels, but 2010 for the Reds (BA hasn't done 2011 for them yet).

3B David Wright and a minor leaguer to Los Angeles Angels for SP Ervin Santana, OF Mike Trout (1), RP Jordan Walden (5).

Okay, let me reemphasize that I am not actually advocating that the Mets do this.  But, going ahead with our little experiment, just look at this deal.  The real question here is whether the Angels would agree to it.  The Angels need some power, and badly.  Their current third baseman is a guy named Alberto Callapso.  Let's break down what it would take to get one of the best (if not the best) third basemen in all of baseball.  (Also, some random minor leaguer.  I don't know who, though, because I'm not too familiar with what the Angels would want.  Some good, but not great, A/AA player should suffice.)

You've probably heard of Ervin Santana.  He's the Angels' third or fourth starter, yet went 17-10 with a 3.92 ERA last year.  He was an all-star in 2006, when he went 16-7, 3.49.  He's quite good, but expendable because of the other guys who the Angels have (Jered Weaver and Dan Haren).  The centerpiece of this deal is Mike Trout, the Angels' top prospect.  Between low- and high-A last year he hit .341/.428/.490.  Angels fans are absolutely crazy about him.  In spite of the fact that he's never played above A+, he could conceivably see major league action as early as this year.  In the Mets' hands, he'd probably ride out the year in Binghamton and Buffalo and take over CF in 2012 when Beltran departs.  An example of his potential godliness: http://bit.ly/f3OQUg

Jordan Walden made his MLB debut last year with the Angels, in which he pitched to a 2.35 ERA over 16 games.  He'd spend the year setting up K-Rod, and hopefully take over the closing duties in 2012.  He's the elite relief prospect the Mets have always wanted but never had.

SS Jose Reyes to Cincinnati Reds for 3B Juan Francisco (5), SP Travis Wood (7), RP Brad Boxberger (9).

I debated having the Reds give RP Francisco Cordero in return as well, but I don't think there's any way the Mets would do that.  Why would they take on a very expensive relief pitcher whose contract expires at the end of this year?  The Reds would then probably not give up Boxberger, and the deal would not be as good.  The players I do have them giving up, however, is a great group.  Juan Francisco is MLB-ready, and hit .286/.325/.565 at AAA last year (though it was a limited sample; I guess he was injured or something?).  He's not as good as Wright, but he'd provide a great power bat in the immediate future.  With Scott Rolen blocking his way in Cincinnati, the Reds would probably be willing to give him up.

Travis Wood is similar in that he's a top prospect who could have a starting role in 2011.  It's tough to say whether he's still a prospect, actually, since he went 5-4, 3.51 over 17 starts for the Reds last year.  He'd be a quality #4/5 starter next year, and could move up based on performance.  He might end up being the #2 pitcher down the road, if past prospect reports are correct.  Brad Boxberger is another intriguing name.  He's only played one year of pro ball thus far, and didn't do so well.  It's unclear where he'd be next year, but scouting reports are high on him, and I figure that the Mets are pretty weak on general relief prospects, so why not give him a shot at Savannah?

Signings

C Gregg Zaun: $1.5M/1y

IF Adam Kennedy: $400k/1y

OF Marcus Thames: $1M/1y

SPs Gustavo Chacin, Shawn Hill, Chien-Ming Wang: Minor league contracts

RP Joe Beimel: $1M/1y

RP Joel Peralta: $1M/1y

SS Orlando Cabrera: $2M/1y

The theme here is "veteran leadership."  Zaun can tutor Josh Thole, Kennedy can tutor Daniel Murphy and Juan Francisco (also Wilmer Flores and Ruben Tejada?), and Orlando Cabrera can just walk around and be 36-years-old, but still good somehow.  Beimel is a great and cheap lefty replacement for Perpetual Pedro, and Peralta is a solid rightly reliever.  Chacin, Hill, and Wang can be down on the farm, at the ready in case something goes wrong up top.

So where does this leave us?

Firstly, with a $116.22M payroll for 2011.  The Wilpons can take that extreme surplus and make single-game tickets and concessions more affordable, and spruce up Citi Field a bit.  Paint the wall blue, or something.  In the meanwhile, the Mets will have an exciting young team that we, the fans, will love to watch.  2011 might be tough.  That's fine, 2011 is but the bridge to 2012.  Hopefully Carlos Beltran will be doing a yeoman job by mid-season, so he too can be shipped off for a nice haul of prospects.  In any case, despite not having the one-two punch that we have come to know and love, this team could still eke out 80-85 wins in 2011.

2012, however, will be different.  2012 will be great.  The total payroll going into the 2011/2 off-season will be $67M.  Yes, that's right: about half of what it was last year.  This will allow Sandy, and co. to go out and sign some great FAs.  If they're not extended, for 1B, Prince Fielder or Albert Pujols.  For 2B, Robinson Cano or Brandon Phillips.  Heck, even Jose Reyes can be brought back (if the Reds don't lock him up for the next ten years).  How does this lineup sound to you: Pagan-Cano-Trout-Francisco-Bay-Davis-Thole-Flores (or whoever the SS is)?  Good, doesn't it?  How about this rotation: Santana-Santana-Wood-Niese/Pelfrey-Mejia?  Yeah, that's right--pretty great.  (NB: Due to too much awesome, one of E. Santana, Pelfrey, or Niese will have to be traded.  For a SS, perhaps?)

I began this experiment totally opposed to trading the core of this team.  Wright and Reyes are the first home-grown superstars the Mets have had in a long time, and it feels good to have them on our side.  It would be crushing to lose them.  But looking at the haul of players that would come back in return for them, it's hard to pass up such an opportunity.  I'm still opposed to trading them; but I'd be lying if a part of me doesn't hope it happens, just to see how it would play out.  It would be fun, no question.  And I believe that it would leave the Mets with a 2012 team that could honestly win the World Series, as well as a great foundation for the next decade.  Ah well--we'll just have to keep asking "what if?"

Poll
Does this plan make you want to consider trading Reyes and Wright?
Yes--give me Trout and Francisco!
7 votes
Yes, but just Reyes.
6 votes
Yes, but just Wright.
1 votes
No, you're crazy. Go troll some other blog.
25 votes

39 votes | Poll has closed

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I think you meant

Francisco Cordero not Frank Francisco…

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Dec 7, 2010 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks!

I did indeed.

@Sam Page, the Mets have spent so much energy trying to convert Murphy into a 2B, that I thought it just made sense to keep him there. Maybe not though. Juan Francisco is a pretty good prospect, so it seems worth it to me.

by metstotop333 on Dec 7, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Juan Francisco is the exact type of prospect I'd like to stay away from

He’s got nice tools, but in 4 seasons of pro ball still hasn’t learned to take a walk. He’s still yet to complete a pro season with an OBP of .330, and I can’t see him improving on that by being bumped up to the majors.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 8, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a lot of guys we already have actually

albeit not at 3B and our guys are younger, but still.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Dec 8, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind when an 18 or 19 year old kid doesn't know how to take a walk

I’m less inclined to take a flier on a college bat that doesn’t know how to take a walk, but there’s still reason to believe they can learn in pro ball. I don’t like targeting guys who have been pro’s for 4 or 5 years and still haven’t learned that skill, as I’m sure these guys are being coached to do so (where I can’t say the same with many amateur coaches). F! is starting to make me feel the same way, and it’s gotten bad enough that I’m probably willing to sell low on him to get something while he still has value at all.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 8, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If this was gonna happen

Now would be the time. I think a large portion of the fan base is fed up with Wright’s strikeouts and streakiness (or at least as much as they’ll ever be). As good as that team looks though I still wouldn’t trade Wright. The team looks good on paper but these kids are still prospects. Us Mets fans know as well as anyone that “can’t miss” prospects actually miss quite a bit and I think we have a good shot at seriously contending in 2012 and I think Wright gives a better shot at doing that than a couple of unproven but high-potential guys.

by ZZPops on Dec 7, 2010 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Why are you targeting relief prospects?

Just because Omar and Jerry have some weird infatuation with Mariano Rivera doesn’t mean we should be targeting prospects with limited upside (as revilers have limited upside).

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Dec 7, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Ballsy

Love Mike trout. Intrigued by Santana. I’ve watched Juan Francisco quite a bit in the DWL over the past couple of years and my impression is that he’s an all or nothing type swinger. Not sure that his RH power would translate so well at home. It would hurt to see both those guys go but I think there’s a great chance Alderson weighs the two picks vs prospects for Jose and Carlos has one knee out the door already while he’s rehabbing the other. Once reestablished, and with an ownership willing to pay most of what’s left, should leave something nice behind. Hate to say it but if it’s for the best……

by t agee on Dec 7, 2010 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

I'm also a big Trout fan

I don’t think LA would be inclined to move him though, even for Wright.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 8, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Salmon more

I like my broiled, and then basted at the end with a little bit of brown sugar

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 8, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Man that sounds good

But I have to say that I think Tim Salmon is past his prime, having been out of baseball for 4 years.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 8, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting but I do not advocate actually doing it either

but interesting test of what if, what could we get. I think this is maybe even a little low, possibly could get something a little better

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 7, 2010 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

if I traded Reyes and/or Wright

Wright to the A’s for SP-Brett Anderson and 2B-Mark Ellis and minor league 3B MacPherson

Reyes to Bosox for Scutaro and Buchholz
that could give us a good young SP, 2B,SS and 3B

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 7, 2010 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

The Sox would never do that.

After the year Bucholtz just had, and the amount of team control they still have on him, there isn’t a chance Reyes would be enough to get him.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 8, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

so who do you trade Reyes to?

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 8, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

How about keeping him

The only reason I’d consider a trade at this point is if someone blows me away.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 9, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

that is not what this post is about, keeping him is not an option

this post is about what if you did decide to start over and trade Wright and Reyes, so you can not keep him

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 9, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure it's an option, even if he wants to test free agency and leave after this season

Getting Bucholtz and more is the unrealistic option, as the Red Sox would never even entertain it. Realistically, Jose will likely be worth more at the deadline if he proves healthy than he is right now. If he doesn’t prove healthy, the two first picks will likely be worth more than we can get in a trade anyway. Right now the best we can realistically hope for given the way the market has been is to get about equal value to the two picks. So if we’re willing to lose Jose for the betterment of the team in the future, my two cents is to at least let the season get rolling and allow him to re-establish value rather than selling low.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 10, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Trout, not so much on Ervin

interesting ideas though.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2010 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

hey is he the kid of the old major leaguer

Steve Trout I think his name was, maybe back in teh 80s with the White Sox

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 8, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

so the Angels use to have Salmon, now they are going with Trout instead

I remember when the Astros had Bass but wonder who will sign the next Fish?

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 8, 2010 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

I hear a lot of Marlins are on the trading block

And you can’t get a bigger fish than that, unless you are into bluefin tuna.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 8, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You can't get any bigger than a Marlin?

This guy begs to differ:

Sunfish or “Mola Mola”

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Dec 9, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Blue marlins can get to 4,000 lbs

Ocean sunfish top out at 2,200.

If you want to get technical about it, it’s likely that there are deep ocean fish that are larger, but that haven’t been described.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 9, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, the Mola Mola is the heaviest (known) bony fish in the world.

I don’t know what a Marlin is classified as.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Dec 9, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

The marlin is the heaviest bony fish in the world.

Don’t know where you got your data on the mola mola. Ah, here’s where you’re getting it. The wiki site for Osteichthyes (bony fish) claims the mola mola is the largest, but it’s incorrect. Marlin larger than the largest ocean sunfish have been caught, but are exceedingly rare. If you check the sizes of the blue marlin and the mola mola on wiki you see the difference. Ah, the joys of Wiki.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 9, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the kind of fish Omar would sign:

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 9, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He's trying to sign Jonathan Broxton?

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 9, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course there was once a Catfish and a Blue

Hunter and Vida

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 9, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Tim Salmon was referred to as kingfish

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 9, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

they actually had a Robert Fish (LHP) but the Yankees rule 5ed him

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 10, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Gutsy. I demand, though,

that you spend the $34m saved in 2012, bringing the payroll that season to $184m.
Suck on that, Red Sox!

by Jack Str on Dec 9, 2010 3:41 AM EST reply actions  

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