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Mets Rule 5 Draft Ruminations

With the Rule 5 Draft scheduled for tomorrow afternoon, I thought it a good time to take a look at some of the Mets' most attractive Rule 5 candidates as well as some interesting guys for Sandy to potentially pluck.

For reference, the Rule 5 Draft is a check that disables teams from hoarding talented, major league-caliber players in their minor league system when other clubs could use them in the bigs. Any player that has basically spent four years (in some cases five) in an organization without currently being on the 40-man roster is eligible. However, the stipulation is that if you select a player you must keep him on the major league 25-man roster all season long (with the exception of injury). If you don't, he is offered back to his original club. But if said player spends the entire season with his new club, he is then eligible to be sent down into their minor league system.

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Top In-House Rule 5 Candidates:

1) RHP Nick Carr

Before TJ surgery in '09 the 23-year old righty could hit triple-digits and when he got back on the field in 2010, he was already back up in the 96-97mph range. Problem is the kid has never pitched above Hi-A nor has he ever posted a really impressive ERA (or FIP) all because he has serious command problems (as evidenced by his twelve walks in sixteen AFL innings in October). However, you rarely get opportunities to acquire rocket arms like this, especially at a price of basically free (each draftee costs $50,000) so Carr might be the perfect chance for a lower tier club to hide at the back-end of their bullpen, allowing him to develop in short spurts in 2011 then hoping for him to blossom at some point in the future; think Evan Meek.

2) RHP Jose De La Torre

De La Torre doesn't bring a rocket arm or nasty stuff or even the promise of projectability (the guy is 25 and stands 5'11", 165lbs). But what he does bring is a pretty sure bet to provide solid, middle relief innings all for a league minimum salary. De La Torre has posted very strong ERA's at each level of the minors since becoming a full-time reliever with the FIP's to match. Though pitchers of this ilk usually don't hear their names on draft day, a team looking to round out their 'pen on the cheap would be wise to look his way.

3) LHP Roy Merritt

Merritt is on this list for one reason: he throws with his left hand. Though he's had more and more trouble with righties as he's climbed the ladder, he's always handled lefties extremely well. This season he held them to a .228 average with zero homers and did so between Double and Triple-A. There are lefties to be had on the market this offseason but Merritt represents a league min. option that could look very good in that second LOOGY role for any teams in a lefty-heavy division (including the Mets). 

4) RHP Brant Rustich

The Mets '07 second round selection out of UCLA may garner some interest for two reasons: One, his mix of a strong arm, good velocity/stuff and very strong results since being drafted represent a top-tier relief prospect. The second is usually his weakness: his inability to stay healthy. But for a shrewd GM the big 25-year old righty could represent a chance to stash away a top-round talent on the cheap since the only exception for Rule 5 guys to leave the 25-man roster is the DL.

5) LHP Eric Niesen

A complete disaster in 2010, Niesen would only garner interest as a reclamation project. As recently as summer 2009, Niesen looked like a dominant LOOGY waiting to happen with his hard fastball and wipeout slider. But in 2010 he lost any semblance of command and clearly lost his way mechanically. This profile isn't a stranger to the draft as many a dominant LOOGY seems to bloom late (see, Matt Thornton) but once again a pick like this requires a non-contender to likely hide him in their 'pen in 2011 and then work with him going forward; think Donnie Veal.

 

As far as names Sandy might select, the Rule V usually lends itself mostly to relief pitching which is a good thing as the Mets need to fill out their spotty bullpen. So I've focused on relievers and found more than a few interesting names; here are handful of them: 

A personal favorite from last year's draft, RHP Aneury Rodriguez from TB went undrafted then had a strong season in Triple-A highlighted by a sub-3 ERA in relief and a strong 8+ K/9...Former Indians top prospect RHP Adam Miller was known for his triple-digit velocity before arm & hand injuries torpedoed his once lofty chances. But he can still reach the mid 90's and if he can regain his form he has the highest ceiling of any draft prospect...The Redbirds first-rounder back in '06, RHP Adam Ottavino posted a solid 3.70 FIP as a starter in Triple-A in '10. He has swing-and-miss stuff (including a fb that hits 95mph) and though he showed some promise in the Cards' rotation this September, inconsistent secondary pitches and spotty command make him a good candidate for late-relief...Possibly the best fit for the Mets is Rangers lefty (and former first-rounder) Beau Jones. He was acquired as part of the Teixeira trade and in 2010 posted a 1.90 ERA as a reliever in Double-A with a 10.7 K/9...Another good lefty option is Atlanta's Scott Diamond who posted a 3.36 ERA as a starter in Triple-A this year. However, the Binghamton U. product doesn't have tremendous stuff and profiles more like a fifth starter than a LOOGY...Former Mets draft-and-follow (that got away) and Orioles '06 first-rounder RHP Pedro Beato was dominant after converting to relief full-time this year to the tune of a 2.11 ERA in Double-A with a .225 average against.

--UPDATE-- 

According to Adam Rubin & Buster Olney, it looks as if the Mets actual top in-house candidate is 23-year old RHP Elvin Ramirez; shows what I know. In actuality it shows how tough the Rule 5 draft is to gauge as it so heavily reliant on organizational scouting reports and thus so unpredictable for us fans. Either way, I considered adding Ramirez to this list but decided against it for a couple of reasons: he's struggled with back problems in the past, he seemed to regress after converting to relief but mainly because he’s never really had a very good season. He’s shown defininte flashes but even after moving to full-time relief in 2010 he only posted a 4.17 ERA with the highest BB/9 of his five-year pro career (5.28). And that was only at Hi-A.

But what teams see in him is a great build and especially a plus fb which during the season sat around 93mph but apparently is currently topping out at 99mph out in winter ball (suspiciously, that figure seems to inch up with each new report). And walks aside, he isn't easy to hit (see, .212 average against in '10) and has always had good GB rates (see, 0 hrs allowed in Hi-A). All in all, I don't blame the Mets for leaving him unprotected; if he proves them wrong and works out for someone, great that's the reason for the draft but I still don't think he'll fare well in the majors. But hey, maybe he gets a nice taste of the show and comes back to the system hungry for more.

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I really like Aneury Rodriguez

Any word on his velocity? He’s still pretty young at 23 and showed he can handle AAA hitting. He could be a solid reliever for us.

by Evan_S on Dec 8, 2010 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

aneury

he’s a big, long 23-year old righty (6’3", 180lbs) who mostly lives in the 89-91 range but jumps up to 93mph on occasion. back when he was traded to TB for jason hammel he hit the mid-90’s a little more frequently but a move back to the ’pen full-time might fix that. in triple-a for TB he was split between starting and relief.

he also has a nice feel for a curve though his changeup lags behind as his third offering. again, a move to relief work would minimize the lack of a change. just as last year, i see him as a solid if unspectacular (league min.) option smack in the middle of a major league ’pen.

by Rob Castellano on Dec 8, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

a lot of teams have apparently scouted Aneury Rodriguez

doubtful he falls to us…I am actually looking forward to the Rule 5 Draft tomorrow. I hope we post updates on this.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2010 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

Brad Emaus!

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by Michkin on Dec 8, 2010 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

for some reason his name always reminds me of emus....

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

and more power ....

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, I like Emaus

would prefer him to a reliever. Even if it’s a longer shot that he makes the team as opposed to a reliever, he could be the 2b answer, and that’s a risk worth taking for little money.

I think we definitely lose De La Torre, and if we don’t, he should really be given a look for a pen spot.

by David G on Dec 8, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Emus can kill you with one kick

That’s far more power than Emaus.

And because emus—like all birds—have no teeth, they swallow pebbles and the like to help digest their food. So they are full of grit. And this would just be hilarious on the basepaths (from Wiki):

Sometimes they also poke other animals and then run away after drawing a reaction, as though they are playing a game.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 8, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Can Emus play 2B?

"The Mets are gonna be amazing" - Casey Stengel

by Russ on Dec 8, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Their range is outstanding but I guess their "glovework" is lacking.

Their lack of arm is literal.

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by Michkin on Dec 8, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Also literal

They will work for peanuts (and other similar fruits, nuts, and grain).

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 8, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe the emu would be a better DH then

Their knees are right below their torsos, and assuming you could place the numbers right there would be no strike zone to speak of. Once on the basepaths, rock and roll.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 8, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Emu = Shane Victorino?

Carter, hand me my thinking grenades!

by meigs1414 on Dec 8, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

But but

emus run at approximately 30 MPH!

by CTRefJay on Dec 8, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Ismael Guillon

18 year old international prospect was signed by the Reds. MLB declared him a free agent and the Reds resigned him, which makes him Rule 5 eligible. I’d like the Mets to grab him and try to use him as a LOOGY in 2011. In 2012, send him down to A ball and try to turn him into a starter.

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2010 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

Do you have a link to his eligibility?

Just reading over the section of the CBA dealing with the rule 5 draft doesn’t seem to indicate that having a contract voided prior to the start of his career would make his service time irrelevant. If there’s an article explaining it, I’d be interested to read it.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 8, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Its from Baseball America

http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/prospect-bulletin/2010/2610976.html

The Reds’ Ismael Guillon is among the youngest players available at 18, as his original deal was voided; because he resigned with the same team that originally signed him, he must be protected on the 40-man roster or exposed to the Rule 5. The Reds decided to expose him even though his 90-93 mph fastball and advanced changeup make him one of their better prospects. He hardly throws his curveball at this stage and also has some rough edges to his delivery.

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

That’s interesting, although I’m not sure I’d take him on quite yet. He’s likely still very raw and starting his service clock and using up his options by age 21 likely takes away much of his potential value.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 8, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the stats...Just one more question.

What should I call him?

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 8, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

There are those who call him....... tim

"The Mets are gonna be amazing" - Casey Stengel

by Russ on Dec 8, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I ask for Herman Melville and I get Monty Python

Should have figured.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 8, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Melville shtick < Monty Python shtick

"The Mets are gonna be amazing!" - Casey Stengel

by Russ on Dec 8, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Not if it's "Call Me Ismael"

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 8, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't feeling the love with that

so I went with Python.

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh no worries

I did a book report on a Monty Python book once in high school. Odd that I didn’t really have problems of conflicting obligations on my social calendar.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 8, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I would not be surprised ...

if Sandy gets 2 guys for our bullpen to come from the rule 5 draft tomorrow.

by brooklynlou on Dec 8, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

Nor I

Shoudl be interesting.

by tmu on Dec 8, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Rubin:
Hearing Mets may very well lose RHP Elvin Ramirez in Rule 5 draft. No control, but hitting 97 mph in Dominican Republic with scouts watching

http://twitter.com/AdamRubinESPN/status/12534584734388224

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by Michkin on Dec 8, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

i thought about him

for anyone whose been paying atention to the winter league updates, you know that ramirez is mowing down the competition to the tune of a 2.18 ERA with 26 K’s and 4 BB’s in 20 IP.

beyond that, ramirez isn’t too old (at 23) and has always had a tremendous pitchers build (at 6’3", 210lbs) which has always given him a very good fb and though he’s had back issues in the past, he’s gained velocity as they’ve subsided. he currently sits in the low 90’s but like you pointed out, he can hit the mid-to-upper 90’s. he has the makings of an average curve but it’s highly inconsistent.

the reason i didn’t include him was because he’s never really had a very good season. he’s shown flashes but he’s also shown flashes of complete wildness. even after moving to full-time relief in 2010 he only posted a 4.17 ERA and the highest BB/9 of his career (5.28). and that was only at Hi-A, not binghamton or buffalo. now his FIP was 3.55 and he’s got a good fb (which is apparently peaking at the right time out in the DR) so now that i look at him more i can definitely see him getting taken in the very same mold as monasterios but i don’t expect him to have success right away.

by Rob Castellano on Dec 8, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Elvin?

Oh man, I want this guy. Imagine the D&D jokes on gamethreads.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 8, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

if we do, not going to cry about Ramirez

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2010 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

This

He’s 23 with poor control.

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by Russ on Dec 8, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He moved to the pen this year

Still walks tons of guys, high GB% and low HR allowed, spent most of the year at A+ before being promoted to AA (3 games).

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by Michkin on Dec 8, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Adam Miller is a guy I'd take a flier on in a heartbeat.

I got to watch him pitch in Buffalo quite a few times, and his stuff was just nasty. If he’s not hurt (at which point we hide him on the DL), he’s one of the few guys here ready for the majors.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 8, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Beau Jones

if he’s still available when we pick.

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Dec 8, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

I'd like to

back that up with a Boof Bonser signing. Who wouldn’t love Beau and Boof in the same pen?

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Dec 8, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Josh Booty still playing?

Love to pair him with Dickey.

by tmu on Dec 8, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

oh god.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Dec 8, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Aneury Rodriguez, Ismael Guillon, and Ed Lucas

interest me the most.

And, of course, since he’s probably eligible, Disco.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

I'm all for FIP and KC BBQ. Awesome.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

Dry rub is a lot better than KC BBQ. And dry rub is from Tennessee, the home state of R.A. Dickey.

QED.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Dec 9, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Ed Lucas

I’ve got him in my AAOP. Here’s what Baseball America writes about him:

Lucas is an interesting case, in that he was a minor league free agent who played for the Royals for six seasons. The Braves quickly signed him but didn’t protect him, and the 28-year-old Lucas fits the utility profile well. He hit .307/.398/.480 at Triple-A Omaha this season while playing left field, second base, shortstop and third base. Lucas, a righty-hitting player from Dartmouth, has a plus arm, hits for average, controls the strike zone and plays with energy.

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by Russ on Dec 9, 2010 7:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Olney is saying

Our top guy is Elvin Ramirez and will be the first guy chosen.

Thoughts/

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by future on Dec 8, 2010 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

If we get Brad Emaus

I don’t care!

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Dec 8, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be shocked if we ever shed too many tears over him

He’s spent the last 3 years struggling to strike out more guys than he walks in A ball. Suddenly, scouts are jumping up and down because he had a good month in winter ball?

by psiogen on Dec 8, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

no biggie. Beau Jones isn't a bad pick up either

wonder why he’s available?

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by feslenraster on Dec 8, 2010 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

cause they have all the pitching prospects ever?

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by Gina on Dec 9, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Kenshin Kawakami eligible to be drafted?

I read it on Twitter that he is, but that’s the first I’ve heard of that.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2010 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

yay! rule 5 to begin, let's see us pick up some decent guys Emaus!!

Emaus, Jones would be nice

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by feslenraster on Dec 9, 2010 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

ditto.

almost got there. Emaus and Beato.

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Dec 9, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

what channel is it on?

Gang green nation!

fire schotty and lets go get a goddamn snack!

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 9, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

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