A Conversation With R.A. Dickey, Part Three
Below is part three of four of my interview with R.A. Dickey. You can read part one here and part two here. Tomorrow the series will conclude with some more reader-submitted questions, R.A.'s message to Mets fans, and his recommendations for the Amazin' Avenue Book Club.
Sam Page: What about game-to-game consistency, what's your preparation like? Because there's not a lot of "what pitch am I going to throw?"
R.A. Dickey: Yea. And that's what's beautiful about it. When I go on a mound, I don't have to work on fastballs down and away. I just throw knuckleballs...for an hour. And the great thing about it is I can throw off a mound more than conventional pitchers, because I'm operating at about 70% capacity, where they're operating at 100, max effort usually. That allows me to work on my craft off the mound more than most guys. And part of my preparation to be able to be consistent is taking advantage of what the knuckleball allows me to do. And that's to throw a lot, to really get a feel for what a great knuckleball feels like out of your hand.
And when you throw a good knuckleball, it's unlike any other pitch that you ever throw in that you know immediately that nobody's going to hit it. Like you throw and you're like, "There's no chance that this is going to get hit." And it's different than any other pitch you throw. So, that's a neat sensation. It's a sensation that I really enjoy trying to duplicate over and over and over again.
I'll start, then I'll take a day of rest off, maybe watch some film, and then the very next day after that, I'm in the bullpen throwing again. Repetition, repetition, repetition is the name of the game for me. Continually getting off the mound, repeating my delivery, repeating my mechanics, in a way that I know when I get out there I wont have to be going through some mental check list: "Is my hand in the right place? Is my stride-length long enough? Am I staying over the rubber long enough? Is my wrist position in the right place?" I don't have to do that anymore. That's how I started, but it's really come to a place where it's pretty organic. Now I just react and can be instinctual with it. And that's really fun.
SP: Could you pitch on much shorter rest than a typical five days?
RD: Yea, absolutely. In fact, last year I threw on two-and-a-half days rest once. The year before that, I threw countless times on no days rest. I was out of the pen in Minnesota and threw three, four days in a row, no problem. And then in Seattle, I would start and then the very next day be in the bullpen. The next day. So it allows you to do some things that ordinary guys can't do and hopefully that's a real asset to a team. Last year, in fact, I started a game at the end of the season. That was my last start of the year, against Milwaukee. I was in the pen and threw an inning out of the pen two days later.
SP: Are you going to talk to Terry? Jerry took you out a little earlier than you might have wanted last year...
RD: I think Terry and I are going to start by having really open lines of communication, so he'll know what to expect out of me and I'll know what to expect out of him as a manager. With Jerry, it was such a learn-about-each-other-on-the-fly, that it was nobody's fault, just kind of the way it was. He didn't really know me or trust what I could do, because he didn't have a lot of exposure to me. Terry's been in the organization. He's seen me pitch quite a few times. He followed me last year and he knows what I'm capable of doing. So I think there's going to be a real easy transition there. Throwing 130 pitches in a game is not a big deal to me, if I'm going good and keeping the hitters at bay. If I'm getting blown up--that's another thing--you've got to get me out of there, like anybody else. I think that it's going to be a nice transition. He knows I want the ball, I want to throw and I want to finish what I start.
SP: Do you know if you're having a good game, the same way you know if you've thrown a good knuckleball--feel it or you can't?
RD: I used to think that. I used to think that it was like that, because that was my experience. Another component to having success with this pitch is now I know that, if I don't have it for an inning or two, I can still find it. I remember a game in particular against the Houston Astros, where the first three innings were the worst I ever felt throwing a knuckleball. I was able to escape some jams and get out of some innings, because I threw enough of my other stuff to survive. But then, after the third inning came and went, I was able to find it again. So, to answer your question, I don't necessarily believe anymore that I have to go into an outing with my A+ knuckeball in order to win. I've gone out there, probably five out of the eleven times I won last year with a "five out of ten" knuckelball and it's kind of matured over the course of the game to an "eight out of ten." Which is great, that I can go in and still be confident I can get the job done, not having my best feel.
SP: So mound presence is just as important, even though you're not throwing max effort? People might think you're more relaxed, but you're competing...
RD: It's more important now than it ever has been for me. Phil Niekro shared with me a thing that I've really kept close to my heart, as far as pitching goes, and that's: I throw a bad knuckleball, or I throw a great knuckleball, or I throw one that goes behind the hitter's head, or throw one that he swings and misses and hits him, or whatever I do, always act like I meant to do it. Because the hitter doesn't know the difference, when you throw a knuckleball. That's what I've always tried to do. From one pitch to the next, it's always been because that's what I wanted to do to you. I've kind of taken that and tried to grow it and really feel like that's an important thing. You never want to give the hitter any inclination that you're not confident in what you're doing, or that you don't have it that day, or that you had no idea where it's going. Thusly, mound presence is a huge deal as a knuckleballer.
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I hate Jerry Manuel.
It has been said in a while so I figure I’d throw it out there.
Carter, hand me my thinking grenades!
I'm sorry but I really need to harp on this:
With Jerry, it was such a learn-about-each-other-on-the-fly, that it was nobody’s fault, just kind of the way it was. He didn’t really know me or trust what I could do, because he didn’t have a lot of exposure to me.
This is rule #1 on how to be a terrible manager, whether in the business sense or in baseball. To succeed as a manager, you HAVE to get to know your personnel. There’s no two ways about it. You need to know what everyone is capable of in order to succeed. Ask any successful business leader (like, for instance, our current front office) and they’ll tell you it is extremely important to get everyone on the same page. Otherwise, you are just wasting your talent. Good riddance to crummy management.
/rant
Carter, hand me my thinking grenades!
We should not know more about a manager's personnel than the manager does.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Dec 8, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
This
I think Dickey was trying to be nice about it here, but c’mon man. As a manager you have enough time with the team to get to know everyone. Call someone over on the plane and ask for honest feedback.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
When you said "call someone over on the plane" I thought you were talking about Omar.
You know, since he is on a plane and can’t be reached, redirect all your question to the Assistant to the GM, John Ricco.
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Hah! Good point.
I mean, it’s amazing when you think about how much time a MLB spends together over the course of a season. Same hotels, same planes, getting to the park hours before gametime and going through drills, being in the same motel during ST. It should be the manager’s job to have a sit down—formal or informal—with each player every so often to get honest feedback. Maybe you can discount the opinion of younger guys, but for a guy who has been pitching professionally for as long, and has learned as much, as Dickey, a little listening could have done a lot.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
Especially
because what he does is only done by a handful of pitchers.
Carter, hand me my thinking grenades!
Victorino's Advocate, again
How is Jerry supposed to magically come by this information? As Dickey himself points out, Jerry really didn’t have any exposure to him until the season was underway. He could watch films or read reports, but out of necessity, he couldn’t have open lines of communication with Dickey, the established starter, until Dickey had, you know, established himself. Jerry did enough horrible things that we don’t have to go searching for more.
hehe victorino's advocate
Anyway, again the job of the (any) manager is to learn about his subordinates’ strengths and weaknesses, whether he’s a star peformer or a scrub, to effectively use their talents wisely. I’m not saying it’s a piece of cake but it’s his job that he must do in order to succeed. I’ll buy that if he’s a short-term injury replacement that it’s unreasonable to expect him to gather all the information needed to properly utilize him. But, in order to use a guy properly, it should be sooner rather than later.
And because it’s Jerry’s full time job to manage the baseball team and its players, watching film, reading reports and talking to Dickey should be the minimum he should do. In fact, in multiple interviews with Francesa, Jerry said he did more than that. He called other coaches and asked how to use Dickey. Which is a good thing. The problem there is that he admitted that the avenue didn’t really help him but didn’t provide anything else he did. So, he did try but if lines of communication weren’t greatest at that point (note: the interviews were in july-ish), that was something Jerry should have worked on.
Carter, hand me my thinking grenades!
Right, but . . .
. . . if we’re talking about some room for improvement here or there, we’re well off of the list of Jerry’s major failings in dealing with players, managing game situations, etc. In the case of taking Dickey out too early, I doubt it had as much to do with not knowing Dickey as it did with dumb theories about “getting the bullpen work.”
Well, that's a horse of a different color, then.
I can live with flawed theories because, hey, everyone has them. I still like the hit-and-run play more than most here. But, you can correct flawed theories by showing them data that proves them wrong.
To address your earlier point about digging for more faults for Jerry, I also don’t think it’s out of line to say that Jerry did not have open lines of communication with everyone on his current 25-man roster in the 2-plus years he “managed” the team. That is something critical to the success of any team (or business) and if it’s not right, it falls upon the GM (in this case Omar) or the manager himself (Jerry) to address/fix it. The Church situation and the Beltran-Francoeur-Pagan situation, are just two examples that leaked. What else happened behind closed doors that could have been just as damning?
Carter, hand me my thinking grenades!
theories about "getting the bullpen work"
I doubt that anyone — even Jerry — has those theories. Everyone — even Jerry — would like to see a starter go deep into a game. Judging by his use of Dickey, it seems to me more likely that he didn’t understand the extent to which Dickey’s arm doesn’t tire. Maybe he’d heard it and didn’t really believe it in his gut. (To reference Ball 4 again, this is how Bouton’s managers are.)
by Pack Bringley on Dec 8, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
This is a good point.
Really depends on when you’re taking him out, and Jerry really only bent over backward to get Plea-Rod into games.
Great Dickey Quotes, Vol. CXIV
Is my hand in the right place? Is my stride-length long enough? Am I staying over the rubber long enough? Is my wrist position in the right place?
by CTRefJay on Dec 8, 2010 8:38 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
i thought dickey's weren't a fan of the rubber?
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 8, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
These are better each day
I hope we make use of Dickey’s ability to throw and throw and throw. Maybe use him in long relief between starts or give him spot starts here and there. Or have him do all his offday throwing out in the bullpen, and give him the option to call up Terry and say, “put me in an inning or two; it’s jumping like crazy.”
It’s also good to hear things have come some way since Ball 4. Dickey describes almost all of Bouton’s peculiar habits and psychology but Bouton was just hammered for trying to do what was best for his peculiar pitch. Please write Ball 4 2, Dickey.
This is funny,
because I was thinking while I was reading this about how awesome a book written by R.A. Dickey would be. He definitely has the rare combination of access to the inside of the baseball world alongside the mental acuity and intellectual power to be able to put together something special. I don’t know if that’s something that he would be interested in, but it would be pretty awesome.
"The lesson behind Moneyball is that if you are clever in your use of resources, you can gain power beyond your station. It is not, never has been, and never will be, that 'computer models' should take over the world." - Graham
by Thomas Wachtel on Dec 8, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
I love this guy.
What a great interview.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Dec 8, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions
give Dickey the Ball!!
sorry just had to say this. great job with the interview Sam
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
What I don't really get is how Dickey doesn't have huge followings in
Texas, Seattle, and Minnesota. Sure, he wasn’t as successful there as he was here, but he was still himself in all three places.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 8, 2010 11:32 AM EST reply actions
great work as usual
these have been fantastic so far.
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
These really do keep getting better
That Niekro tidbit is gold. This is only going to make him more fun to watch next year.
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