J.J. Putz Never Took a Physical
Well that makes a lot more sense than if he had taken a physical and the trade went through.
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i dont get it.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
I get it.
Business as usual for a FO that has no business running a ball club (or a Taco Bell franchise for that matter).
I used to want Omar fired.
Now I want him fired and kicked in the nuts.
by pologroundling on Feb 1, 2010 11:12 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
+1
This
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Feb 1, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Especially when the Mets told Putz not to talk about being hurt with the media.
"I knew that I wasn’t right. I wasn’t healthy. The toughest part was having to face the media and tell them that you feel fine, even though you know there’s something wrong and they don’t want you telling them that you’re banged up."
The mets are kind of like rap music. Every year something happens, like soulja boy, and I think, well this must be as bad as it gets there is no way we are not officially at rock bottom, and then a few months later they manage to top themselves in astounding an unbelievable ways, i.e Waka Flocka.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
by Gina on Feb 1, 2010 11:13 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
Why can't I e
"Three home teams advance, and the fuckin' Jets" - Rex Ryan
by Evan_S on Feb 1, 2010 12:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why can't I rec something on my iPhone?
"Three home teams advance, and the fuckin' Jets" - Rex Ryan
by Evan_S on Feb 1, 2010 12:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow. Just wow.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
I was under the impressions all trades were finalized after a physical.
It isn’t too late to offer Matt Millen a job once we get rid of Omar. Live the dream.
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Feb 1, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions
Nothing sends chills down the spine like M^2. The shame is Millen really knows his football. He just doesn’t know how to run a team.
by Coolpapabell on Feb 1, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh
This makes the Mets look absolutely awful.
…and Putz too. Let me get this straight – I knew that I was hurt when I arrived at Spring Training, so I thought that pitching in the WBC was a great idea. Why try to build up my arm strength in Spring Training, when I can just go all out right away in the WBC? Idiot.
Why didn't the mets stop him?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Maybe they really thought he could pitch.
After all, the mind can always overcome failings of the body if you just rub enough spit on it, right?
That is certainly a good point
Why did you pitch in the WBC JJ?
and Why did the Mets let him pitch in it?
by Coolpapabell on Feb 1, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I know correlation=causation
but the Mets had the most players in the WBC. We also had the most injuries during the season. Far be it for me to blame the WBC, but it just seemed the Mets were extremely reckless in gauging how this would impact their team. And if Putz was so hurt when he came to the Mets, why did he pitch in the WBC? I guess the reporter wasnt going to ask that question. Which is the obvious question to ask.
by aparkermarshall on Feb 1, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
And supposedly they weren't exactly on top of monitoring them
I know early in spring training there were reports that the mexican team doctors/trainers never answered their calls when they tried to check up on Ollie, and rather than immediately pulling him off they apparently just ignored it. THen of course Ollie shows up out of shape for spring training and the rest is history.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I think it comes down to trying to win points with Bud
Just like with rarely, if ever, going above slot in the draft. Bud loves the WBC, so the Mets want to do everything they can to play along.
by Bieser's Balk on Feb 1, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I understand this
but what tangible benefit have the Mets received while trying to please Bud? Still no word on the All-Star game?
by aparkermarshall on Feb 1, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree, it makes no sense, but I think that's what they're thinking
And honestly, is there a Mets fan out there who cares about hosting the All-Star Game?
by Bieser's Balk on Feb 1, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I could care less about the All-Star Game
But for some reason the All-Star game is this big holy grail for the Wilpons. And it seems like they are foresaking their team just to get it.
by aparkermarshall on Feb 1, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
This is reductive
I have no doubt they agree with Bud entirely. They go to dinner, chat about what’s good for baseball, and they’re all on the same page. Owners, if they’re not motivated to win the big prize (and I think at this point it’s clear the Wilpons are not – they want “meaningful games” that will sell tickets, and that’s all they really want) have an interest in holding down the pay for draft prospects. The Wilpons are, with Bud, trying to hold the line. They all happily agree.
yeah, this is the crux of the matter
The problem isn’t necessarily the WBC itself, but how badly the organization and the medical staff have missed and mucked up medical situations that they ought to have been monitoring closely (over the last few years, not just last season).
Is last name is Putz. ’nuff said. It is always great to see players spin stuff after they fall flat on there faces. Even if it is true how can the Mets counter this? There credibility on handling injuries is so shot Putz could have said anything and it will stick. His numbers in Chitown will be the lie detector in this one.
by christopherm on Feb 1, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Medical examinations: That's false hustle, people
by TheBigStapler on Feb 1, 2010 11:16 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Wouldn't be surprised if Wilpon or Omar were a scientologist
And why do they put science in terms that have absolutely nothing to do with science. I bet soon they’ll start calling creationism Creation Science.
by DoghouseBlues on Feb 2, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Don't "they" already?
The first step to making it seem like something theoretically valid is to frame it in terms and an appearance that make it more…“dignified” than it actually is. That’s why having it potentially taught in school is such a big issue, asides for the religious implications- if it’s treated as something legitimate, people will begin seeing it as such.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 2, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Funny
I was just about to post this.
What a shit show. Why did they not just tell him to get the surgery? He could have been nice piece when healthy, OR just not trade for an injured player.
What is this 1950, where you tell a pitcher to pitch through a bone spur? Don’t they know that the bone spur can break into tiny fragments and clog up the joints and make the situation worse?
Im not sure
How much more of this nonsense is going to be uncovered. People are going to be clamoring for Drayton Moore if this keeps up… ok ok I wont be a drama queen but still this FO is a farce. How do you not give him a physical? A lot of pieces went in that deal, would have saved 09 but thats a lot of pieces to give up for a one year injured rental and whatever people are classifying Sean Green as these days.
Sorry "none would have saved 09"
haha I dont think anyone would argue Mike Carp would have gotten us a playoff spot
True but
Well it would have neen nice to have Endy last year. We sure needed him. It also would have been nice to have Cleto in our system, a guy with an electric fastball, who projects as a bullpen piece.
by Coolpapabell on Feb 1, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Not ro mention Carrerra
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
And even if you don't give him a physical
for reasons unknown to anyone, if you know there is an issue why don’t you get it fixed? Or why don’t you at least not let him pitch in the WBC it makes no sense.
In other news isn’t it sad that if Boras was his agent all this might have been avoided.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Ray Ramirez is the luckies man on earth. What does he have on Omar/Wilpons??
Please. Fire someone, ANYONE from the medical staff.
If the entire team going on the DL and now this and the Beltran mess didn’t get someone fired, What will??
Well, there's the chance Putz is a big liar
and taking advantage of the unanimous opinion that the mets are a joke team (in)capable of anything in order to clean his slate. As someone pointed out he did play in the WBC, which doesn’t square with his story. And his language… “I never really had a physical…”
Exactly.
Something about it doesn’t sit well with me.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 1, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Won't be surprise if he ends up getting Knee surgery
at some point during the year
DWDLD
by Jadden Hopkins on Feb 1, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Which is what the Boston FO was insisting Bay have immediately
as one condition of his contract.
That as one of my initial thoughts as well
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Shouldn't this be the type of thing that someone would get fired over?
I think the blame for this should be put at the top, it’s pretty bad. Maybe Omar? Can Fred fire Jeff?
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
You'd think so.
It cost the Mets Putz’s salary in 2009, his buyout, and the five players traded for him. What’s that worth—$20 million or so in the toilet, for a failure to do a routine (automatic, really) due diligence?
Maybe more.
I imagine if you used BTB’s trade calculator and factored in 5 controllable years for all those players, 3 for Smith, plus w/e we payed Reed it wouldn’t be pretty.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
this team gets funnier by the day
in a tragic sort of way.
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 1, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions
agreed, unfortunatly
On the positive side, maybe this is the beginning of the shitstorm that takes out Ray Ramirez
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Feb 1, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Omar Minaya
is a F****** moroon. They need to stuff him, Matt Millen and Vinny Cerrato in a round room and tell them to come up with a thesis on how to piss in the corner and that we’ll send someone in to retrieve it in about 30 years. Until then just stay in the room.
If I were Santana, Wright or Reyes I would want out ASAP. They have no chance here.
oh this is cool
the mets are totally rad. what a fun team.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
by kendynamo on Feb 1, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Omar
said it himself one night last summer being interviewed in the SNY booth during a game.
Said something like ‘we have the utmost respect in HFSS and trust our doctors and trainers. But sometimes you have to weigh the advice against putting one of our core on the DL for an extended period of time’.
Translated – to me – we’d rather them stay in and play some 70% than being on the DL and getting the treatment they need to play 100% later down the road……
by MetsFan4Decades on Feb 1, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions
Just when I think I hit the bottom of Omar's stupidity,
someone hands me a shovel.
At this point, I am almost certain he has something incriminating on the Wilpons.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
You can never be completely certain.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
But then Omar would have it in writng
and that’s false hustle.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Oh my God
This is a joke. The Mets have access to the best hospitals in the world yet they still suck at all of this garbage. I hope to god that Putz is lying.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
As far as the possibility of Putz being a liar
I could be wrong but I remember reports coming out early last year about the bone spur and how the mets knew about it.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
knew about it prior to the trade I should say
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I don't really think he's lying to be honest
the only thing is why would he choose to perform in the WBC / did they do no physicals for that either? If you found out you had a bone spur you would certainly not run out and do things that were certain to make it worse. But maybe he’s just stupid or got some bad medical info.
Travis Hafner is made of gold
When was the WBC anyway
he said it didn’t really get bad till May/April and near the end of spring training.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Isn't this a likely scenario?:
Putz had his stupid physical, which revealed the bone spur, but the Mets concluded poorly that he’d be fine, and Putz told them he felt fine. Hence, he signed up for the WBC. Now, after the 2009 debacle, he shows up in his new city and goes, “bozos should have never let me pitch! i was really, really hurt! haha, fucking mets, right?nothing to see there, move along… Now, on the other hand, I feel great…”
by Pack Bringley on Feb 1, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah that makes the most sense to me
and it sort of gives him an excuse as to why he sucked. It says he knew about it since being a Mariner, therefore throwing at full speed before you need to / are prepared to is still a stupid decision.
Travis Hafner is made of gold
It doesn't seem like he's saying he should have never pitched
just that once the pain got really bad and he brought it up they likely should have done something. It’s not like he’s saying everyone in the world new his elbow was a ticking time bomb. He’s saying he’d known about it but seattles doctors never evaluated and he himself didn’t really know what was going on but the doctors here gave him the go ahead to pitch in the WBC so he didn’t think it was an issue until the pain in April/May.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
You're right. The controversial point
is whether or not the Mets ever checked out his elbow. The only intelligence we have on the point is Putz claiming they never “really” did, and consequently blaming Mets doctors for his throwing hard and sucking. The idea that they never checked it out at all is impossible to believe, and if this was the case, why would he equivocate. He’d be like, “they never even gave me a fucking physical.” so if the reality is that they checked it out but misdiagnosed it, well, we knew that, so why are we so over-the-top upset?
by Pack Bringley on Feb 1, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well the upsetness could also stem
from allegations they told him to ignore it and not talk to the media about it rather than taking care of it in April/May when it first was a problem, which echos pretty strongly similar things reported about the Beltran’s knee situation, aThey traded a crapton of resources for a player and rather than getting something taken care of early when it became an issue, so that they could at least recoup some value they basically ignored it. I imagine if the Beltran situation hadn’t just happened, along with the issues with Reyes, and Church in the previous season, there wouldn’t be as much outrage.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
But I don't think that's the outrage
2009 was such a terrible season that not many of us have the heart to ponder the handling of our rental set-up man. People are mad because the Mets allegedly don’t even bother to give out physicals… That I don’t buy.
by Pack Bringley on Feb 1, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'd disagree
I think people are mad because we traded so many resources for a player, including a lot of cheap controllable players for a specific player and then possibly were more concerned with saving face then getting an issue fixed early.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Yeah, well
there’s not evidence for that either other than his say-so. and why wouldn’t he say it?
in any case this conversation got a little meta and i’m confused.
by Pack Bringley on Feb 1, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Given that he echos pretty much precisely what happened with Beltran, Reyes, etc
- the front office doesn’t want to hear about anything that will require time on the DL, they want to “manage” injuries, send the player out there to play in pain for as long as possible until they break down completely, at which point we’ll be in the latter half of the season and hopefully lots of tickets will have been sold - I find his story very plausible.
Now, maybe he heard the Beltran story, said to himself, hey, I could use that to explain my bad year! That’s possible, but sounds to me less likely that what we already know to be absolutely true about the way this organization looks at injury.
There's evidence
in recent history with the mets handling of injuries, if this was an isolated case it would be one thing but it basically sounds like exactly what’s happened with multiple players, including stars in the last 2 years.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
have we passed the Oakland Raiders yet?
Are we more of a laughingstock than that team? Can Omar Minaya trade for JaMarcus Russell and insert him into the starting rotation?
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
I call BS
No, wait, I don’t.
I can find exactly one source — an uncited assertion on Bleacher Report — that the Mets had JJP checked out.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/122257-2009-rundown-jj-putz
It’s official: We’re trusting our fandom to morons.
I'm so confused. Why does Omar Minaya still have a job?
Seriously…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 1, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions
It's the extension. He still has two years to go and x million dollars.
And the Coupons don’t understand that failing to replace a guy like Omar is less expensive than letting him to continue to do things like trade for Putz or think GMJ has value, and so on and so on.
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 1, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
How much has Omar cost, in just the past two seasons (2009 until the present), in bad contracts, extensions, trades, etc.? If someone calculated all of that up, I bet it’d be astonishing, the amount of money this team used in a wasteful/non-optimized manner. And, that’s not even counting everything before 2009, and the inflated contracts that he’s signed people to in the past.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 1, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
SELL. THIS. TEAM. NOW.
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
OMAR'S TOP TEN EXCUSES FOR PUTZING AROUND ON THIS ONE
10) “That was Tony B’s job.”
9) “Look, he could be missing his arm, and he’d still be better than Aaron Heilman.”
8) “Seriously, who cares. We figured we could sell $15MM in ‘Putz’ jerseys. That’s why we traded for him.”
7) “Adam Rubin wanted a job in baseball, so we hired him to vet medical records of recent acquisitions, and then he quit to go back to that blog of his.”
6) “Bone spurs are what cowboys wear, right?”
5) “We gave him a complete workup. Dr. Spaceman was in charge, assisted by that Dr. Nick Riviera guy.”
4) “Putz’s shoulder was scanned the same time I had a brain activity scan done, and I guarantee you, there was nothing on either. Nothing at all.”
3) “Did you hear that Mark McGwire used steroids? Did you? DID YOU!?!?!”
2) “Look, baseball isn’t played with a spreadsheet or a calculator, just ask Marty Noble. So why would it be played with an x-ray or a scalpel? Jeez, man.”
and the number one reason Omar Minaya failed to give J J Putz a physical…
1) “We only had enough money in the budget to give him an eval or sign Alex Cora, and man, that Cora guy is such a good teammate, we didn’t really need to worry about no bone spurs.”
by Dan Lewis on Feb 1, 2010 2:23 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd
All are very possible.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 1, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
What are you talking about?!
It’s like an advent calendar of crap with this team. You open up a new box every day and see different piles of shit. What’s not fun about that?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 1, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Ladies and gentlemen,
we’re proud to introduce your 2010 New York Schadenfreudes!
Depends.
Are said piles of shit artfully arranged like fun images of ball-headed mascots at play? Or animals?
(Anyway, rec’d for the image.)
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 1, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Wait is this even legal?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Jack Z must be laughing his fucking ass off
Remember: Never ever let Omar trade with someone with an IQ higher than 10
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
And THERE's
the confirmation from Dummy Central:
"In our review of the player’s medical records in the acquisition of J.J. Putz, we were aware that he had a bone spur before the trade. He had the same condition in 2008 and was able to pitch with it. J.J. underwent an exam during Spring Training and an additional exam and MRI before he was cleared to play in last year’s World Baseball Classic. Unfortunately the spur did flare up again in May, and he missed the rest of the season. We are happy to hear he is feeling well, and wish him success with the White Sox."
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 1, 2010 6:18 PM EST reply actions
Lol the best part is
He had the same condition in 2008 and was able to pitch with it.
you mean the 08 season in his walk rate sky rocketed, his ld% flew up and his gb% plummeted, or continued it’s plummeting as it were, albiet he was stuggling with other injuries. Cause clearly none of those peripherals were red flags.
Though I suppose I shouldn’t assume anyone in the mets front office knows what peripherals are at this point.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Yeah, jesus. This is horrifying.
“was able to pitch with it.” What on earth are the requirements to be hired over there?
“Beltran has always had trouble with his knees and has been able to play, so obviously he could play this year.”
I thought the whole idea with Putz
is that he was recovering from his injury in 2008 and was going to be healthy in 2009 and hopefully return to his pre-injury dominance. But the FO knew (or should have known) that wasn’t possible. Just wonderful.
Well his 2008 main injury was a rib injury
the bone spur was another issue but I don’t know if anyone ever related his 2008 struggles to it.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Another brilliant point is that if the FO had handled this wisely and well
they probably could have declined Putz’s option and brought him back for around what the White Sox will be paying him. When he’s healthy Putz can be brilliant.
And why didn’t his family ever change its name? HS must have been a lot of fun.
Yeah it's kind of weird
usually they hold onto bad players too long rather than admitting their mistake, but when a player, like Putz, might be valuable they cut him loose.
Although maybe Putz has no desire to return here?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
No desire now,
though a lot of guys, if a team handles their injury well, want to come back and prove their worth to that team.
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 2, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
They did change it
His original name was JJ Penis.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
by StorkFan on Feb 1, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Omar's next signing: the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail
“Yeah we were aware he’s got no arms or legs, but he’s got a lot of character and he won’t quit on you. He just wants to keep playing and we think he’ll have a lot of success here and be a great addition to the clubhouse.”
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Sort of like having a 48 year old backup first baseman,
cuz it’s always cute to bet your season on a guy like that.
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