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Looking At What We Have, Part 1: Position Players

Added by Eric: I just spent twenty minutes reformatting this thing so I'm bumping it up to the top again.

Given all the talk going on these days about what we've missed out on, and how bad our team looks, I thought I would take an in depth look at what we actually do have. Since we're allegedly done signing players I figured now would be a good time for this. This is Part 1 of a 2 part series of obscenely long posts looking at what the Mets DO have right now. Today I'm covering position players who could have a role in this years team. The data provided is mostly based on production with the big league club except where so little data was available that I had no option but to look to AAA. So far I can say it's going to be an interesting season for sure... whatever that means.

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Jason Bay

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .326 .387 .397
SLG: .418 .522 .537
WAR: 0.0 2.9 3.5
UZR/150: -11.4 -18.2 -11.2

Comments: Bay was the big acquisition this offseason for the Mets. He is a slugger with respectable offensive numbers across the board. Where his weakness comes in is his fielding. Even in the left field of Fenway, which is generally friendly to mobility-challeneged fielders, Bay has put up below average UZR values. Left to the more cavernous expanses of Citi, it will be interesting to see how he handles covering more territory, especially during the absence of Beltran. From an offensive perspective, he has improved over the past 3 years. While this trend is not likely to continue, it isn't likely we see a large decline in his offensive production next year, although his HR numbers may decrease somewhat playing at Citi instead of Fenway. Even so Bay's bat should provide power and stability to the middle of the batting order, and give better protection to Wright, especially in the absence of Beltran.

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Carlos Beltran

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .375 .380 .398
SLG: .525 .500 .500
WAR: 4.9 6.7 2.9
UZR/150: 0.9 8.8 -8.9

Comments: Coming off of an injury shortened season and subsequent secret ninja-like knee surgery, Beltran's productivity will be largely guesswork until we see him in real game situations. While there is little worry he will still have an excellent bat, as he has throughout his tenure as a Met, his range in CF may be adversely affected by his degenerative knee condition. While playing through discomfort this season Beltran managed to still achieve a WAR of 2.9 in half a season, which hopefully suggests that despite some possible limitations on his speed he is still an incredibly valuable asset to the team.

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David Wright

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .420 .397 .368
SLG: .546 .534 .437
WAR: 8.4 7.4 3.4
UZR/150: 4.8 3.6 -13.2

Comments: David is coming off of an uncharacteristic season in which his average and OBP remained fairly consistent (.390 OBP 2008 and 2009), but his power numbers dropped off precipitously. Aside from a fastball to the head incident, Wright remained healthy over the season, which has been the case since he has been brought up. His durability is a valuable and often underappreciated asset to the team. There has been much speculation that efforts by Hojo to adjust his swing to accommodate the dimensions of Citi field may have contributed to his power outage. It has been reported that Wright has been working throughout the offseason to adjust his swing to get his power back. We can hope this means he is watching video of his 2007 and 2008 games, trying to copy his old swing. Defensively Wright generally has an above average glove and range but has a tendency to commit throwing errors, a trend I would like to see cut down a bit this season. His struggles on defense last year seemed to coincide with his struggles on offense, which may be a sign the problem is strictly mental and not mechanical.

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Jose Reyes

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .346 .366 .342
SLG: .421 .475 .395
WAR: 5.1 5.9 0.7
UZR/150: 7.1 0.1 -9.4

Comments: Jose is one of the most important cogs in this teams offense. Simply put if Jose can't get started, the rest of the offense likely won't. His speed is vital to his game, and his legs need to be kept healthy. As of now, all signs point to him being ready to play when Spring Training starts. Excellent news for Mets fans since Jose is one of the most exciting players to watch when healthy, and is vital to the teams success. Re-inserting Reyes into the middle infield defense should also stabilize that portion of the field, providing some relief to pitchers like Mike Pelfrey who struggled with a makeshift middle infield.

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Gary Matthews Jr.

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .324 .303 .313
SLG: .419 .357 .361
WAR: 0.5 -0.8 -0.8
UZR/150: -12.2 8.6 -37.8

Comments: The addition of Gary Matthews Jr. is a puzzling one at best, especially at the cost of fan favorite Sir Dr. Brain Socks M.D.D.D.S.P.h.D. Esquire. His numbers are clearly in the decline phase, and aside from a flashy catch a couple years back he's awful on defense (UZR for CF). His greatest baseball skill appears to be collecting large paychecks while sitting on the bench, and many Angels fans will tell you he has mastered the art. There have been some statements that when not given a starting position Matthews tends to become irritated. If theres one thing I can say with some confidence its that becoming easily irritated is not a characteristic recommended in anyone playing for this current Mets team.

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Omir Santos

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: - - .298
SLG: - - .391
WAR: - - 1.0

Comments: Omir "Thunder God" Santos has designed some of the most stylish t-shirts in Mets history. Outside of that however, he has proven to be a fairly generic backup catcher. Unfortunately he was used in more of a starters role this past year, exposing his weaknesses at the plate. His OBP is Frenchy-esque, and he lacks the power to even partially compensate for his lack of discipline at the plate. He did provide one of the few bright spots last season, however, with a home run against Jonathon Papelbon at Fenway which was part of a late come from behind rally to win. Omir was actually decent behind the plate, with a +2.4 TotalRuns score as reported by Driveline Mechanics, although he was a little below average in preventing stolen bases. Overall, he would be a decent option as an occasional backup if we had a full time starting catcher, but with Blanco as the other option, it is likely he sees an overabundance of playing time this year as well.

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Henry Blanco

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .185* .314 .310
SLG: .222 .392 .382
WAR: -.4 .6 1.2

Comments: Defensively, Blanco is a very good catcher, scoring 5.7 TotalRuns by Driveline Mechanics and scoring positively in all 4 scoring criteria. Blanco's major drawback is his durability. Blanco will likely top out at 75 games if the Mets hope to keep him healthy all season long. It is my guess that Blanco and Santos split time fairly evenly. Given that both Omir and Blanco are righties, they won't be able to serve as a traditional platoon, but they are unfortunately probably the best combination available come opening day.

*Blanco only played 22 games at the big league level that year.

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Daniel Murphy

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: - .373 .318
SLG: - .473 .427
WAR: - 0.9 0.6
UZR/150: - - 7.6

Comments: Murph showed he was capable of excellent first base defense this past season, posting one of the higher UZRs (only 1b UZR shown) at the position. He was not quite so comfortable in the OF but he has at least temporarily found his niche at 1b. Offensively Murphy seemed to take a step back this year, especially with regards to plate discipline. Since his 2008 sample size is fairly small ,it it hard to conclude which Daniel Murphy we can expect in the future. While Murph fields the position well, he does not hit well enough to carry the position, and is likely a stopgap until Ike Davis is ready, at which point he will serve as a super sub.

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Luis Castillo

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .328 .315 .337
SLG: .359 .305 .346
WAR/150: 2.4 0.6 1.6
UZR/150: 3.1 -9.3 -12.0

Comments: Luis Castillo had a renaissance year with the bat, but defensively was an enormous liability at 2b. While hitting for practically no power, he struck out very rarely and found his way on base to the tune of a .387 OBP. He provided one of the more horrific moments in the season in the 9th inning of a Mets-Yankees game, and his mobility is comparable to the base he is suppose to field around. While his above average offensive year provided him with positive value, it is hard to count on his ability to consistently maintain this high level of offensive production to offset his defensive shortcomings, especially with a pitcher such as Mike Pelfrey who depends heavily on his infield defense.

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Angel Pagan

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .323 .330 .358
SLG: .439 .374 .487
WAR: 0.3 0.4 2.8
UZR/150: 22.8 9.5 -1

Comments: The UZR values are for position most often played in that given season for optimal sample size (LF, RF, CF respectively). It is difficult to determine trends from Pagan's data due to his spotty playing time prior to last season. (71,31,88 games started respectively). In 2009, the season in which he received the most consistent playing time, he posted above average results in center field, with his slugging percentage the highest of his career. Given that Pagan is only 29, it is possible he is entering his prime, and may be able to sustain similar numbers for a few years. This would make him an ideal backup outfielder (I would personally prefer starting right fielder, but thats another argument altogether).  While Pagan made some visible errors in judgement this season, he's far from the only Met who is guilty of that last year and I'm going to give him a pass. Pagan provides real value for a very low pricetag, and is one of the few very strong complimentary pieces the Mets have outside of their starting lineup.

Note: some of these values are for partial seasons and may suffer from small sample size error, take with a grain of salt.

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Jeff Francoeur

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .337 .286 .313
SLG: .444 .359 .423
WAR: 3.6 -1.2 0.0
UZR/150: 16.9 -4.9 -5.9

Comments: I don't think I can ever remember seeing a player with such a goofy, affable personality (he won the good guy award after all) provide such controversy and vitriol amongst fans. Frenchy just received a 5 million dollar, 1 year contract, which seems a bit high. Francoeur is a self professed free swinger who shows flashes of real ability which he never seems to be able to actualize. If they put consistent use of talent on the scoreboard he'd probably be one of the best players in baseball (sadly it's not located there) In 2008, the Braves sent him back to the minors to work on his swing, but with very little net result. Frenchy's fielding took a turn for the worse when he attempted to bulk up after 2007, at which point his UZR sunk faster than Benjie Molina into the river of chocolate from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (sorry with no Benji signing I have to get these jokes out of my system somewhere). He is still known for his strong, accurate arm, which slightly offsets his lack of speed to the ball. Overall what you see is what you get with Francoeur. It is unlikely he ever sorts out his pitch recognition, although if he sheds some of the extra bulk he put on his defense may more closely resemble his above average 2007 performance.

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Nick Evans

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: - .301 .287
SLG: - .404 .385
WAR: - 0.1 -0.5

UZR/150 : 11.9 (1b), -6.3(LF) (average values over all MLB appearances)

Comments: Who??? Most of the data presented here for Nick Evans is based on limited appearances. He seems to be the forgotten man on the Mets bench. He is much better suited for hitting lefties (.319/.380/.514/.894 in 79 plate appearances against left-handed pitching in AAA) than righties, and given limited UZR data, could make a serviceable half of a first base platoon if such a course of action was desired. Due to the lack of data it is hard to project his value to the team, but it would be nice to see him a bit more often if for no other reason than to evaluate where he fits into the teams plans.

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Alex Cora

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .295 .327 .288
SLG: .386 .349 .310
WAR: 0.6 0.8 0.0
UZR/150: 25.9 (6.6) -5.4 (23.7) -7.8 (-9.3)

SS (2b)

Comments: Or as I like to call him the 2 Million Dollar Frown Machine. Cora was re-signed this offseason to a 2 million dollar contract, far over where his market value should fall given his declining skills. Cora filled in at shortstop for a large portion of last season, and played with torn ligaments in his thumbs. His dedication is admirable, but his play often leaves something to be desired. Cora understands the game well, but simply can't play well enough to showcase this. While the injuries can explain some drop in production at the plate, he has been consistently bad both offensively and defensively for the last 3 years, leaving very little hope that there is much left in the tank for Cora.

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Anderson Hernandez

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .298 .359 .288
SLG: .333 .383 .339
WAR: 0 0.5 0
UZR/150: - - -1.8

Comments: I am only comfortable using his 2009 UZR at 2b because his samples sizes for other years an positions are consistently very small. Anderson Hernandez seems to be essentially the epitome of the replacement level player. He is a light hitting middle infielder with average to slightly below average fielding when used extensively over the course of a season. He provides a very cheap option who is defensively competent but adds very little else to the team.

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Frank Catalanotto

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .342 .329 .315
SLG: .444 .399 .382
WAR: 0.7 -0.8 0

Comments: Since Little Cat plays all over the place, I haven't included UZR data, although over his career he has at least a slightly negative UZR at every position he's played, with his best work in LF (which isn't saying much). Offensively Catalanotto provides an adequate bat off the bench who can be plugged in at a number of positions when necessary without looking bad there. He will likely start in AAA and help Buffalo, who look to be in line for a decent season.

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Fernando Martinez (F!)

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: - - .240
SLG: - - .275
WAR: - - -0.5
UZR/150: - - -1.3

Comments: Fernando is one of the prospects we all hope is nearing major league ready levels. Last season in 25 appearances he struggled quite a bit both at the plate and in the field (making some rather comically bad plays). That being said he is still very young and has a lot of room to improve. F! tears up AAA-ball (.382 wOBA, .540 SLG in AAA last year) and there is no reason to believe he won't develop into a solid major league player with a bit more consistent work at the lower levels.

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Chris Carter

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .393 .376 .360
SLG: .383 .415 .365

AAA numbers

Comments: Carter is a 28 year old minor leaguer who has played primarily at DH and OF. He seems to be an average outfielder, not great, but not awful. The real question is, is he worth the draft picks we could have picked up by keeping Wagner until he likely declined arbitration? Carter is functionally pretty similar to Nick Evans as far as role on the team, it will be interesting to see how they balance the use of the two, or if they just forget Carter exists as well.

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Fernando Tatis

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: - .372 .338
SLG: - .484 .438
WAR: - 1.6 1.5

Comments: Tatis has been a very valuable bench player over the past two years for the Mets. Unlucky stretch of double plays aside, he has put up strong offensive numbers both years, while playing competently at 1b, 3b, and LF. His versatility and strong bat have generated WAR values of ~1.5 during each season of his tenure with the Mets. His late addition this offseason was one of the better moves we made this offseason, as it gave insurance at a number of positions in a single move.

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Josh Thole

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: - - .333
SLG: - - .396
WAR: - - 0.4

Comments: Thole hit reasonably well at the major league level. He doesn't have a lot of power but he is a good contact hitter, much in the vein of LoDuca. Defensively Thole struggled at the major league level, with -0.6 TotalRuns by Driveline mechanics, rating average or worse in every category. I believe Thole falls into the same category as F! in this case, that a bit more time to develop in AAA would do wonders to prepare him for the speed of the major league. I believe he will become a good major league catcher if given the time to properly develop, likely under the tutelage of Chris Coste.

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Chris Coste

2007 2008 2009
wOBA: .316 .276 .329
SLG: .419 .423 .317
WAR: 1.6 0 0.7

Comments: Coste was one of the many catchers the Mets now carry (I'm beginning to think they think catchers are disposable after each game). His role will likely be tutoring Thole in AAA. As with Thunder God and Blanco Coste is a righty, so he doesn't lend anything to the big league club that the other two don't (why do we collect only right handed catchers, there must be lefties out there somewhere). Basically the Mets have to choose 2 out of 3 to stay in the big leagues and one to teach Thole the ropes in AAA. Omir is a bad option for this (we don't need two of those). Therefore the choice is between Coste and Blanco. Since neither is capable of a full time starting workload, it comes down to which catcher has skills more valuable to the major league club. Driveline gives Coste a TotalRuns value of 1.0, which is well below Blanco, so therefore I would opt to keep Blanco with the Mets and use Coste to teach Thole since Coste has less to offer the major league club.

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It's kind of amazing

how huge the drop off is from the first 4 players you covered… to the rest. I mean up to Reyes I was kind of getting excited about the prospects of the season, then I came tumbling back to reality.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 1, 2010 10:23 PM EST reply actions  

yeah maybe i should have dispersed the talent better to lessen the blow.

there wasn’t much rhyme or reason to the order, it was just as I thought of them.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 1, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually your method hit on the larger point.

We have a few very good players and a lot of pieces of excrement. Basically nothing in between. And if they go down…see 2009 season for results.

"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore

by StorkFan on Feb 1, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

but i was trying to keep this thing as largely opinion neutral as I could, so I didn’t lead anyone towards any conclusions one way or the other (even though we all know this isn’t going to be a pretty season)

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 1, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Also for some reason I thought Cora was near 1 WAR last year

the fact we’re paying 2 million for a guy who’s ceiling may be 0.0-0.5, just looking at the recent trend is kind of awesome.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 1, 2010 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

hey at least he has 2 thumbs now as opposed to zero

if you scale performance by number of thumbs then he’s infinitely better.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 1, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like whoever added up the math in that Fanshot/Fanpost:

We normally have a good core of Beltran, Wright and Reyes, but Omar can’t surround them with complementary players to save his ass. And, when there is something wrong with any of those three, fugheddaboudit .

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 2, 2010 12:03 AM EST reply actions  

chris carter

i’d say he’s functionally a lot more similar to dan murphy than nick evans. which is why he’ll be in AAA. if we need evans it’s because something is wrong with tatis, whereas if we need carter then something is wrong with murphy.

by Rob Castellano on Feb 2, 2010 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Evans could fill in for Murph just as well as carter could

Evans and carter are both OF/1b type players. I don’t see a lot of difference between the two aside from hitting from opposite sides of the plate, which I suppose does put carter slightly closer to Murphy, although Carter has never played 1b at the major league level.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 2, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd say he's more similar to Evans

just because of the power, though I think he likely has more raw power than Evans. But both have more than Murphy.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 2, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If only...

… the Wilpons would sell the team to Zombie Kurt Vonnegut.

We could have player names like that AY DAY.

by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 2, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Evans is only and will only ever be

a platoon player.

I’d love to see him get a consistent shot, though, with a team that could give him 350-400 ABs a year, maybe as the primary backup at one corner, the platoon guy at the remaining corners, and the primary PH v LHP.

He’d be a good bench guy on a strong team.

by SeanSchirmer on Feb 2, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It's almost like we are trying the "Stars and Scrubs" fantasy baseball strategy

to real-life baseball!

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Feb 2, 2010 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

right - its the kind of team that could work

if it were well managed. We could pick up good matchup oriented players, including loogys, off waivers during the seasons, and plug in players depending on pitcher handedness. Also, we should only play 5 hitters against the Yankees, and 15 hitters against the Royals – unless Greinke is pitching.

by djg2111 on Feb 2, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

My guess is that Reyes' game is not quite as dependent on speed as you might think.

Once you throw out the CS that eliminate the value of x stolen bases you can give him 12 SB per 700 PAs with no CS. That’s nice, but hardly earth shaking. He doesn’t get a ton of infield hits or a lot of bunt singles, and if you turn the handful of triples he gets that are speed-dependent and turn them into doubles, you lose a couple of runs at most.

Reyes’ speed makes him exciting as hell to watch, but if he loses a step as long as his defense holds up he’s still a very valuable ballplayer.

by SeanSchirmer on Feb 2, 2010 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

It does do other things though

such as take away a pitcher’s concentration on a batter, increase the number of fastballs seen by a hitter when Reyes is on base, etc. They aren’t things to give him the MVP award for, but they’re still valuable for him being super speedy.

Travis Hafner is made of gold

by Super Mario on Feb 4, 2010 4:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I've read some interesting things on this

such as, particularly when the hitter behind a speedster takes more pitches to let him steal, his BA and SLG generally goes way down. It doesn’t seem to bother Castillo, though he was better in 2009, with Reyes out of the lineup much of the year, than he was in 2008, when Reyes played almost every game.

Does anyone know where I might be able to get the data on how Player A hits with and without Player B in the lineup?

by SeanSchirmer on Feb 6, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I read somewhere( maybe here) that the UZR was adjusting for Shea last season & not Citi Field. Can someone clear that up for me?

Coming this April, fun times with Jeff and Gary!

by Brian. on Feb 2, 2010 7:06 PM EST reply actions  

I believe that is correct

so all UZR data at Citi should be taken keeping that in mind.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 2, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That would affect mostly the outfielders UZR rating.

Infielders are only affected by the amount of foul ground, if there is any difference.

by Michkin on Feb 2, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It may affect them some

since I believe outfield depth also determines how far outside of the infield is still considered an infielders zone but i could be wrong.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 2, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes sense.

Fences further away means the OFers play deeper means the IFers will make more plays on balls hit to the shallow OF.

by SeanSchirmer on Feb 3, 2010 5:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Would that make their numbers better or worse?

or does no one have any idea?

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 2, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm a good question

Since parts of Citi are outside of the outfielders zone when looking at Shea dimensions, it may actually help their UZR numbers a bit since they make more plays out of zone (since balls hit near the outfield wall would usually be out of Shea). I’m not certain though, the models they use for those calculations are tough to decipher at a glance.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 2, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Could it hurt the infielders,

because of less foul ball territory?

That’s an interesting question how does UZR take into account the difference between a place like oakland with huge foul territory and Citi with almost none?

Maybe that is part of what affected David’s UZR last year?

by Delgado on Feb 4, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats an interesting point about Wright

since a lot of balls that would have been “in zone” in foul territory were out of play using Citi dimensions. That could explain some of his huge UZR decline. Some of it was due to some shoddy fielding at times throughout the year though so he’s not totally without blame. Still probably a very good point.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 4, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I looked into it

and infielders UZR only takes ground balls into account and not flyballs or line drives. Also UZR has a ranking for how hard the ball is hit slow med or fast. It is almost impossible to calculate this stat for yourself because the field is broken into so many zones ~60.

by Delgado on Feb 4, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

ah I didn't know it was only groundballs for infielders

in that case i guess Wright brought his UZR on himself this season. I thought liners and pop ups counted as well.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 4, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

unfortuantley +/- agrees pretty well with UZR here

I think its safe to say he just plain had a terrible season in the field this year. I think a bit more confidence at the plate will help him in the field as well. Hopefully he re-finds that swing of his.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 4, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been searching for

a statistical reason for David’s drastic range decrease last year and I may have found it. David faced an unusually large number of left handed batters last year, 48% as opposed to usually 40-42% which seems to be about average. UZR shows that in David’s zones,all the 5, lefties are more likely to get hits then righties. UZR is collected separately for lefties and righties, but I don’t know where to access that part of the stat. I’m guessing statistically his range verse righties may be better then his range against lefties. Also, the third baseman’s positioning changes for lefties and righties. We had a blackhole at shortstop last year so maybe some of David’s negative range was created by bad or just different positioning. The way that UZR is calculated if David was a little better in some zones then the average 3b and significantly worse in some zones based on positioning that could negatively impact his UZR. I don’t believe that +/- takes handedness of a batter into account.

by Delgado on Feb 4, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Thinking about this more

poor managing, i.e playing the infield in too much or playing the lines can have significant effects on UZR at least I think. The expected number of outs he should have made last year, on groundballs, is 225 so playing the infield in and maybe he misses something like 5 balls that should have been outs is about 2% change. I now see how looking at UZR for small sample sizes can drastically effect the stat.

by Delgado on Feb 4, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see how the SS blackhole effect could have a lot to do with it

especially against lefties hitting the ball up the line. Poor positioning probably played a role, but a lot of that was probably more due to the fact that they didn’t have a decent shortstop more so than just poor judgement by anyone. The real test will be what happens with Jose back. If his numbers go back to normal after this season, we can speculate that the problem was just covering ground the SS couldn’t get to leaving him out of position.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 4, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I can also see how even calculating only ground balls

will involve a great deal of randomness. It’s easy to imagine that the degree of difficulty of an IFer’s chances will vary greatly from year to year—enough to make him look good one year and poor the next based solely on having more difficult chances.

by SeanSchirmer on Feb 6, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah oddly though

from what i’ve read infielder UZR is actually more consistent with performance than outfield tends to be.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 7, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Great work!

Between this and the pitchers, it’s quite a synopsis. Trying to project for 2010 WAR, I get a range of 21 on the conservative end for the hitters with a reasonable best case scenario of about 30. And for the pitchers, somewhere between 13-21 or so.

What I am not sure of is what these numbers might translate to in terms of wins for the team. Let’s say the total range is 34-51 WAR. Can someone provide some light on that?

by Boz_Paladin on Feb 3, 2010 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

A team of replacement level players

would win 49 games I believe, I can’t remember the exact number, so 34 WAR would bring you 84 wins.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 3, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

yup 48.6 wins for replacement level

just found it. If by some miracle this team manages 51 WAR (and the projected 100 wins that would come with it) I would be beyond amazed.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 3, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

That'd be sweet...

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Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 3, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

34 WAR

34 was a fairly conservative estimate on my part, I think, but still reasonable:

Bay – 3
Beltran – 3
Wright – 5
Reyes – 4
Catchers – 2
Murphy – 2
Castillo – 1
Francoeur – 2
Santana – 4
Pelfrey – 2
Maine – 2
Perez – 1
Niese / Nieve – 1
K-Rod – 1
Other Bullpen – 1

I think some will likely argue that Francoeur, Murphy and Perez may be on the high side, but Bay, Wright, Beltran and Reyes can do better, so maybe it evens out. I left the bench guys more or less out of the equation.

by Boz_Paladin on Feb 3, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

I can buy most of those numbers.

but the problem is theres huge room for swings in most of these numbers. Beltran, Reyes, Niese, Nieve, Perez, and Santana are all coming back from injury, so their numbers could fluctuate quite a bit in either direction. Wright’s value will hinge a bit on whether or not he can get his old swing back. Castillo needs to maintain his very high level of production at the plate to maintain even a 1 WAR given his limited fielding ability, and Maine will need to stay healthy for a while to earn 2 WAR. This is why I didn’t even speculate in either of my posts as to what I think next season will look like. The number of variables is huge compared to most teams, who usually have a reasonable number of solid, consistent performers to base their totals around. If i had to guess we top out around 85 wins, with likelihood being we fall below and not above that mark.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 3, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

backups

large swing in numbers is exaclty why I didn’t give any credit for Pagan’s 2.8 WAR and Tatis’ 1.5 from last year. Obviously we’re much better off without those guys putting up 4.3 WAR, but if Beltran can’t get to 3, I feel reasonably confident that Beltran and Pagan together will be able to. And if Murphy can’t get to 2, a platoon of Murphy and Tatis should be able to.

The biggies will be Pelfrey, Perez and Maine (not to mention Santana’s health) and K-Rod. If they don’t return to form, we’ll need Escobar or another as yet unknown player to step up.

by Boz_Paladin on Feb 3, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Theres no way escobar is going to end up in the rotation though

he’ll probably make a good setup man, but he’s probably not going to be able to do much more than that.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 3, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

another pitcher coming?

Which is why we have needed (from before last season really) a real #2 pitcher. Hopefully via trade, given what’s out there on the free agent list now. If the best we can do is add a John Smoltz or Jarrod Washburn, I think it’s plain we’re not a playoff team based on the pitching staff. It has always been too much to expect Maine, Pelfrey and Perez to win 45 games between them. 40 is pushing reality…

by Boz_Paladin on Feb 3, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure we're gonna be working with what we already have

Santana and then pray for biblical amounts of rain. I’d rather not see a trade unless its one that’s far sighted. Theres no point in trading for someone for a year just to pretend to look competitive. If they can pick up a young pitcher with a few years on his contract I’d be ok with it, but I don’t want to see prospects go out the door for a loaner.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 3, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It's going to be very tough to squeeze the extra eight or nine wins out of this roster.

You need to add a win or two for Pagan. Let’s say two. If you’re projecting Beltran to contribute only 3 wins that likely means Pagan is getting a fair amount of time in CF. The rest of the pen might contribute two wins, one more than what you’re crediting them with. Feliciano alone put up 0.6 WAR in 2009 so two from the pen isn’t out of the question.

The bench definitely needs to be factored in. Credit them with one win. That’s four so far, but since we’ve counted Pagan only GMJ, Cora, the backup 1Bman and backup C remain and I don’t expect much from that collection. I’d take the under on Maine, but the 6th, 7th and 8th starters are going to get a lot of work, and they were pretty good last year. They might even combine for two wins. That gets you up to six. Wright may well exceed your projection, so at this point you’re getting close to 90 wins.

The problem isn’t that you’re being unreasonably optimistic, but rather that really, with the 2010 Mets, nothing can go wrong. If it does there’s nowhere else for the wins to come from. No one in the minors who’s going to come up and startle us to the tune of 2 or 3 wins, and you’re already expecting perfectly good seasons from Murphy, Francouer, and Castillo—as you pointed out.

by SeanSchirmer on Feb 4, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

If jason bay

can come in and bat about .440 with 58 homers and 150 rbis, we’ll be just fine. No pressure, Jason.

Seriously with all that catcher jostling we are left with utter crapola. I predict both guys blow or get hurt and by July we have Coste/Thole platoon happening. And Ike Davis will be at first by August.

by Mackey Sasser on Feb 3, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

yeah i get a bit of a laugh out of the fact

that we have 3 backup-level right handed catchers on our roster, and no starting catcher to speak of.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 3, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh, much cleaner.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Feb 3, 2010 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

we have to thank the powers that be here at amazin ave for the new formatting, as I had nothing to do with it

although in the future I"ll try harder to make these sorts of things a bit more visually appealing.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 3, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I was shocked that it didn't get bumped to the front page sooner

But, meh.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Feb 3, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Great job Stache!

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Feb 3, 2010 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

By the way ....

anybody catch the “typical Jerry Manuel interview” on youtube? Hysterical ….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVqT2dMqlPY&feature=player_embedded#

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Feb 3, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

We uh, we uh, we uh... Well, um, time will tell, uh...

Funny.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 3, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice work Eric

thanks for the assistance with reformatting, it looks much nicer now.. Glad you deemed the post worthy of your efforts.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 3, 2010 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

that it is

but I feel its better to have it all laid out in front of us. I was inspired to do this by all of the back and forth wild speculations and arguments being thrown around with people cherry picking one stat here, and another there to make their point. When you’re not looking at all the numbers, its easy to get lost in just the few being presented. I wanted everyone to have easy access to as many of the pertinent numbers as I could shovel into a fanpost.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 3, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I do say good job sir

I mean it’s a big deal to get bumped onto the homepage, you should take a screenshot, print it out and frame it man!

Travis Hafner is made of gold

by Super Mario on Feb 3, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i might just do that

it is my first bump to the homepage after all.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 3, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

not enough pitching to be taken serious .

omar did not address the rotation the offense is going to be good and greater when beltran returns the catching is scary with santos and blanko the bullpen is a question mark but i do think murphy is going to have a breakout year wouldnt surprise me if he is in the top ten in batting average. and fernando martinez is the next in line after beltran cause lets face it beltran has one more year left and the mets are not going to give him a extension bad feelings with this whole knee issue and if they are out of it by the all star break he is trade bair which sucks cause i love beltran very underrated ball player for us his body is just giving up on him just like it did to delgado i am going to go out on a limb and say they will battle for the wild card but deep down with the way our pitching is they are a 3rd place team.

by lohaus#54 on Feb 3, 2010 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

That was a very long 2 sentences.

I think Murph can hit for good average if he’s a bit more patient. F! could use another year of AAA ball but I expect him to come to the club for good after this year. I hope Beltran can get past the situation with the Mets FO, even with his knees declining he’s got a hell of a bat. Pitching will definitely be an issue, but maintaining a healthy offense is also critical. There is not much depth as far as offensive pieces goes, so one injury could bring down the whole house of cards on offense as well.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 3, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously, e e cummings,

does your keyboard not have punctuation on it like the rest of ours?

by anonymous on Feb 6, 2010 3:30 AM EST up reply actions  

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