Poll: What is going to be the biggest hole in the 2010 NYM?
by SheoawnnGreen23 on Feb 10, 2010 7:09 AM EST
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PrintAfter going through 2 seasons where the bullpen was clearly the biggest weak spot, last year basically everything fell apart (with the whole injury fiasco etc etc). But looking forward to this season it's hard to nail down what this team's biggest weakness is going to be. The hitting is certainly questionable (Murphy?/Catcher?/Castillo? etc.), as well as the defense (Murphy?/Castillo?/Bay?/Beltran's knees?), as well as the starters (Maine?/Nieve?/Ollie?) and the bullpen seems pretty thin (Royota Carola?). I'm not saying that the Mets are going to be awful and there's no hope for a successful season, but what do you think is going to be the biggest problem for the 2010 season?
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I'm requesting immunity...
…from any “biggest hole” jokes right off the bat.
by SheoawnnGreen23 on Feb 10, 2010 7:10 AM EST reply actions
Wang would fill that big hole
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Feb 10, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha yep
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Feb 10, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
starting pitching
Our starters will not be great again this year. Santana will have another very good season. Pelfrey will have some good starts and some bad but very rarely go 7 innings. Maine may bounce back and throw some good games but again he is very rarely in the 7th inning, out before th e6th alot. Perez will get lit up most of the time again and really wear out our bullpen causing them to look like a weak point. Whoever our 5th starter is, well I don’t see someone throwing 7 innings either, so our pen is going to be wasted by August.
Our starters will not average 6 inniings a game
I'll take 6 good innings over 7 crappy innings everyday.
I’m not saying all of our pitchers will give 6 good innings most of the time, but just saying that our pitchers don’t go deep into games doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a weakness. I’d rather our bullpen have to get 9 outs when we can with the game than 6 outs when they are meaningless to the outcome of the game.
"You know I am only teasing. I love you gals out there -- always have." - Keith Hernandez
and that is why our pen failed in 07 &08
because we can’t go deep into games our pen gets overused every year. that is why at the end of both 07 and 08 the pen was getting lit up at the en dof Sept, because hitters had seen them a dozen times already. I will never understand why we use 4-5 pitchers in games we are down by 5 runs, get a long guy in there to pitch 4 innings, let the starter take a fe wlumps it may make him stronger. Nowadays guy get in the 6th inning and give up 2 or 3 hits and they are looking to the pen, they should be looking to compete.
by Rickfansince76 on Feb 12, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
This
absolutely this. Our overuse of the bullpen was hideous last year, mostly the fault of nobody going deep into games.
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 12, 2010 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
How long as starting pitching been problematic for us?
Geeze…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 10, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions
last good season was probably 05
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Feb 10, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know
Omar did a half-decent job improving the hitting and the bullpen, so I wouldn’t say those.
Defense and starting pitching are both pretty bad. Defense could improve from last year’s abomination because of more Reyes and less Cora/Hernandez (Mets SS UZR/150 last season was -7.9, one of the worst in baseball). However, the addition of Jason Bay makes the defense worse (2nd worst among qualifying players in UZR/150 last season, only better than Ryan Braun; worst over the last three seasons). Simplistic thinking says that comes out in a wash, keeping the Mets near last season’s league worst defense (according to UZR/150).
Of course, bad defense has an affect on starting pitching (Big Pelf especially). Will fly ball pitchers like Johan and Ollie be affected by Jason Bay in left?
Let’s just say that starting pitching and defense are two very below average areas of this team.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
eh
i felt much more confident about the hitting and bullpen going into 09 than i do this year. if you want to say bay = delgado and call it a wash, that’s fine, but murphy isn’t as good as we had initially hoped, castillo is a year older, beltran is out, reyes is coming off of a major injury for the first time in a long time, wright’s production was way off, and i’m really not sure if catcher is any better or any worse. in terms of relief pitching, i was more psyched for k-rod-putz than i do about kelvim-igrashi-krod, being as the first two are going to be virtual mysteries.
not saying everything can’t work out for the best, but i’m not willing to say any part of this team has been improved imo.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Considering we were running Sheffield out there a lot in LF last year,
I think the hit to our team D is less than you think. Sullivan posted a -2.6 UZR/150 last year, Sheff was a -35.4, and Murph was a -10.4 They were the most frequent starters for us in LF, combining for 97 starts.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 10, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
-5.0 team UZR/150 in left
bay was -11.2 UZR/150
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Feb 10, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
How big a difference is that over the course of a full season?
Both Pagan and Reed had great numbers in left last year. Reed had a 29.4 UZR/150 in 141.1, and Pagan had a 39.4 in 146.2 innings. Also, Tatis had a 17.0 in 178.2 innings, so for nearly 1/3 of the season, we had pretty good D in left. Of course, this isn’t in a vaccum: Murphy would probably be better in the OF now than he was last year, having had more time out there. But with Pagan having to play CF while Beltran’s out and Bay under contract, we’re not going to be running Murph, Reed, Tatis, or Pagan to LF very much this season.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 10, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
It's a big difference, 6.2 fielding runs
It doesn’t matter who had good numbers and who had bad numbers. As a whole last year, Met LFers had a -5 UZR/150. This year, it is projected to be Jason Bay full-time, at most likely above -10 UZR. This is a clear downgrade defensively in LF.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Feb 10, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
That says it.
We managed to bump an excellent fielder in Pagan, who had a breakthrough year, to the bench in favor of a poor, expensive fielder with an utterly unpredictable bat.
Pure genius.
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 12, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
How the hell is Pagan's bat any more predictable than Bays?
CHONE predicts Bay to be worth 30 positive runs offensively this year
They predict Pagan to be 1.4 runs above average (That’s low, but still)
Pagan did NOTHING before last year, and Bay will be a huge upgrade offensively.
But I forgot, Bay is complete garbage, my bad.
Please calm the fuck down, Syler.
I was talking about FRANCOUER.
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 15, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
By the way
One season isn’t a large enough sample size for UZR, Murphy was one of the better first basemen last season, so I wouldn’t call him a defensive liability.
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
I went with starting pitching
but I can see a scenario where our starting pitching surprises us and our defense is quite bad.
By the way who is Royota Carola, is he the reason for the toyota recalls?
Yeah the starting pitching at least has some upside to it
the defense seems to only have downside
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Thats the way I voted. D has the potential to be awful! Castillo can only get worse.
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Feb 10, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Castillo isn't suddenly going to turn 27 and become an above average defender,
while Ollie could throw 150 innings with an OPS+ around 120. Bay isn’t going to regrow his 2006 knees but Maine could give us 20 starts with an ERA below 4.00, and so on.
Still and all, with normal breaks the pitching is definitely going to suck while the defense is going to be only a little worse than average (once Beltran returns).
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 16, 2010 7:15 AM EST up reply actions
Who will be the biggest A-hole of the 2010 Phillies?
- Rollins
- Victorino
- Hamels
- The City of Philadelphia
Would the City of Philadelphia include the above options?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 11, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
On-field?
Dick Torino.
Human being?
Tie between Utley and Werth. Both are tremendous douchebags, off-field, at least to fans and service staff (according to a close friend, who works in food-and-beverage management in their NYC hotel and has dealt with the team regularly over the last three years).
(Nicest guys on the team? Moyer, Howard… and Victorino.)
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 15, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno about Howard and Victorino..
…being that nice of guys (especially the versions of them in my head) but I remember I was listening to the 40th anniversary celebration of the ’69 WS (we were playing the phils after the ceremony) and they said the only guy in the dugout was Moyer, standing up the whole time. After that I always liked him a little bit.
by SheoawnnGreen23 on Feb 15, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Moyer seems cool enough.
I want him to succeed in that I want to see him continue to pitch, just because it’s rare to see a guy so old pitching nowadays.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 15, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
moyer has been around long enough
to know how to play in a respectful manner
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 16, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
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