Marcel's Retirees, Part One: Position Players
Tom Tango's Marcel the Monkey Forecasting System is similar in concept to the CHONE, PECOTA and ZiPS systems which are often thrown around this time of year. Click here for a full explanation and here is a summary of the methodology:
It is the most basic forecasting system you can have, that uses as little intelligence as possible. So, that's the allusion to the monkey. It uses 3 years of MLB data, with the most recent data weighted heavier. It regresses towards the mean. And it has an age factor.
The projections are available at Fangraphs, side-by-side with the Bill James, CHONE and Fan projections. Tango also makes the gigantic Marcel files available at his website. Anyone who played in MLB from 2007-2009 has a projection, meaning retirees like Barry Bonds and Mike Mussina are included. Rather than checking out Sporcle or the MikeFrancesaNY Twitter on my lunch break, I put together a team of retirees while enjoying a Wendy's Baconator. Keep in mind this isn't exactly a scientific exercise -- I sorted the data by age and picked the best at each position. It's possible someone was overlooked.
Certain players have higher reliability scores than others. Desi Relaford hasn't played since 2007 and his reliability score is 0.07 -- for comparison, David Wright's is 0.87. Higher = more reliable. Additionally, most of the retirees aren't projected to have many plate appearances or innings pitched, so I included some backups who would hypothetically fill-in for these creaky old-timers. Here are the position players, with projected wOBA included (note that Marcel doesn't project defense):
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For the heck of it, let's compare the retiree starting lineup to the Mets' starting lineup, in descending Marcel wOBA order:
| Retiree | wOBA | Met | wOBA |
|---|---|---|---|
| Bonds | .364 | Wright | .386 |
| Young | .346 | Bay | .368 |
| Alou | .343 | Reyes | .359 |
| Kent | .330 | Pagan | .343 |
| Lofton | .328 | Murphy | .338 |
| Spiezio | .319 | Castillo | .324 |
| Relaford | .316 | Francoeur | .319 |
| Piazza | .310 | Santos | .308 |
How about a Bonds/Francoeur platoon? Just kidding. As expected, the Mets are superior, both at the plate and (almost certainly) in the field. Of the retirees, Kenny Lofton is probably the best bet to realistically have any usefulness. For whatever reason, it always seemed like he had a little of that Rickey Henderson-esque "I can play forever" mentality. Lofton accumulated 65 WAR in his career -- more than both Roberto Alomar and Dave Winfield, in about 1000 less plate appearances. But enough about Kenny.
Stay tuned for Part Two of this riveting series -- the pitchers.
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As far as pitchers
I’m guessing Randy Johnson will project to be better than all of 1 of the mets current starting crop.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
You know...
For a monkey, he’s damn good…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 12, 2010 1:32 PM EST reply actions
Randy Johnson. Mike Mussina. Greg Maddux. Tom Glavine.
Damn good pitching crop
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
Sneak preview
No Glavine in my rotation. Or Clemens.
by James Kannengieser on Feb 12, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
can we trust you
or is that the bacon talking?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Feb 12, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
When bacon talks
You should probably listen
by James Kannengieser on Feb 12, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
What's that, bacon? You want me to eat you?
I better do what bacon says.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 12, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
query
what happens when pepperoni and bacon issue contradictory orders? I’m asking for a friend.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Feb 12, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Bacon wins.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 12, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Argh hit the button too soon.
Bacon is the U.S. Supreme Court of cured meats.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 12, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
what does that make sausage?
mmmm sausage.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Feb 12, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
The Circuit Courts of Appeals.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 12, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
That Fatcesa twitter page is pretty entertaining
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
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