Reyes wants to be a Met for life
Reyes talks about how glad he is to be back, how he wants to stay with the Mets for his career, and how he's feeling good and is ready to go.
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You and me both, Jose.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 18, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions
quick before he changes his mind!
of course with our medical staff who knows how long “rest of my career” actually means.
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Lol yeah
I loled at the part of the article that said, with his option coming up, Reyes has a lot to prove to the mets. Because I’m sure at this point they just don’t know if he’s worth investing in…dear God I hope thats not true.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
That part killed me too
Cerrone said the same thing — “He has so much to prove”
Really? Because he was awesome for four straight years, playing at least 153 games a year. Now after one injury-plagued season (perhaps due in part to the Mets’ poor handling) he has to prove he can play and that he can stay healthy?
by Bieser's Balk on Feb 18, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I know some Yankee fans who like Jose
And think he would be a great replacement for Captain Calm Eyes in a year or two.
Jeebus, why is it that the only fan base incapable of seeing Jose Reyes’ greatness is the fan base that, in theory, is supposed to root for him?
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Feb 18, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Cerrone said that?
He is even dumber than I thought
It seems Cerrone has this weird love/hate relationship with Reyes.
Coming this April, fun times with Jeff and Gary!
I think he's usually very positive about Reyes and praises his hard work and passion.
I think Cerrone is saying he has a lot to prove to the media, has to prove that he is fully recovered, and has to become a leader. I don’t think Cerrone said anything dumb.
I think this is the trademark Cerrone evasive vagueness at work.
For my money, with his audience, he absolutely meant that Reyes had “something to prove” in terms of his on-field performance. I know the rest of the piece talks about character, being a leader, blah blah. In the language Cerrone speaks, the nonsensical language of sports talk radio and the Post back page, I think you “prove” things — and get a media reputation — by virtue of on-field performance.
Agreed.
That’s how I read it.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Reyes has only posted half of a Hall of Fame career.
I guess Cerrone wants him to prove he can post the other half .
/shrug
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 20, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
I just think Cerrone feeds into it by posting that nonsense
Like you don’t waste your time trying to “prove” to the alcoholic homeless guy on the corner that the world won’t end tomorrow.
The solution is to ignore the idiots in the media who think Reyes has something to prove. Not indulge them by implying they’re right to expect something.
by Bieser's Balk on Feb 19, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Cerrone just has no strong opinions.
He vacillates.
by Andrew McCarthy on Feb 19, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
I want Reyes to be a Met for life, too.
It’s settled, then.
In twenty years, I’ll be there at Cooperstown to see David and Jose enshrined as lifetime Hall-of-Fame Mets, preferably together.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 18, 2010 4:57 PM EST reply actions
I don't see Reyes as a Hall of Famer
Call me cynical, call me a poor fan, call me what you will.
I can see Wright making it, I just don’t see Reyes getting in.
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
You're cynical.
It’s too premature to say he’s gonna be in, of course, but Reyes is on the right path and is probably about a third of the way to enshrinement (or, at least, a third of the way to where his numbers need to be for enshrinement). Wright’s a better bet, but not by too much.
it would be nice but if you needed to choose between him and Wright
I’d want Wright a met for life.
thank god we don't have to choose
unless jayson werth demands to play ss…
by inventor frank on Feb 19, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
The truly elusive HOF characteristic is not excellence but longevity
Scores of players have HOF caliber seasons but few have enough of them to be considered for induction. Wright and Reyes are both future candidates but the prediction won’t become any easier until they’re both at least in their 30’s.
by TheBigStapler on Feb 19, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
You're cynical, a poor fan, and what you will.
Nah, here’s, as they stand, Reyes’ Hall-of-Fame monitor stats:
Black Ink Batting – 14, Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink Batting – 40, Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor Batting – 38, Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Batting – 15, Average HOFer ≈ 50
He’s accrued those numbers in seven years (four full seasons, three shortened seasons of <70 games). Let’s project that he plays exactly at the level he is playing right now for another 14 years (making him 41 when he retires)- that’s giving him eight more full seasons, and six shortened seasons- his HoF monitor stats effectively get multiplied by three. That would give him:
Black Ink Batting – 42, Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink Batting – 120, Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor Batting – 114, Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Batting – 45, Average HOFer ≈ 50
That’s putting him a little over, or on the cusp, and looking at things somewhat conservatively. He can stop getting injured, and minimize those not-full seasons played to, say, two, and improve his chances considerably.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
But he's a Met
and the voters don’t like Mets. Just look at 06 and 07. Howard (7 WAR) , Pujols (7.7 WAR) and Berkman (6.5 WAR) beat Beltran (7 WAR) for MVP, despite Beltran being the best player on the best team. Rollins (6.7 WAR), Holliday (8 WAR), and Fielder (5.1 WAR) beat out Wright (8.4 WAR) for MVP despite him being the best player in the NL on a team that just missed the playoffs.
Twenty years from now, the general media might like us again.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
yea, the '06 and '07 MVP voting was the most inconsisent in history
one year they give it to the “best player” (ignore that Howard wasn’t really the best player) from a non-playoff team despite a guy who had just as good if not a better season playing on a team that ran away with the best record in baseball. The next year they give it to a guy who wasn’t even the best player on a playoff team, while ignoring the best player in the league who’s team just missed the playoffs. Huh?
2009 Did Not Happen
I'm all for making something like "The Ted Williams Award", or something like that.
That goes to the best offensive producer, period. The MVP ballot then opens up more to pitchers, A+ defenders, and whatever other aspects a player might have, who’s total contributions best helped their team the most, once more ignoring the playoff aspect of it. Something like that. That lets the BBWAA be less hypnotized about things like grission and charisma and whatever the hell else 2007 Jimmy Rollins had over 2007 David Wright, asides for a team that won. There’s massive problems with even that, I’m sure, but it’s a start to rectify problems.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 20, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
If you multiply his career to date by three Reyes' is incredibly overqualified for a SS.
2400 games played, 1650 runs scored, 200 HRs, 1000 RBIs, 900 SBs…
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 20, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
With possibly the exception of games played, all of that seems extremely realistic.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 20, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
We'll never land on the moon, either.
He has 301up until this point. He needs 599 more to reach 900. If we’re giving him another 14 years of playing, at or around the level he has played at up until this point, he needs an average of 42 bases a year. That’s not very unrealistic for someone who, when healthy (coming off of leg injuries in 2004) has averaged 64 stolen bases per year in the last four years, if you want to ignore last season, or 53, if you want to factor in his shortened season last year. His enemies will be playing time (staying healthy), and the impact that age will have on his game (which we can’t predict). Rickey stole 66, 37, and 36 games as a 39, 40, and 41 year old, respectively, so I see no reason why Jose wouldn’t be able to do the same as an older player. It’s a fairly realistic plateau.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 20, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think a very likely scenario for Reyes' speed numbers,
assuming he returns to 06-08 form for a few years with reasonable regression as he gets older, would be 700 stolen bases and 200 triples, something only Ty Cobb and Honus Wagner have accomplished. 12 seasons is more realistic than 14 at this point, so to reach those numbers, he’d have to average 33.3 stolen bases and 10.6 triples per year. If he plays longer than 12 seasons, or if his speed holds up very well into his mid to late 30s, 800 stolen bases and 250 triples is possible as well.
He could do all those things, but
I’d much rather he pace himself than shorten his career. The stolen bases just aren’t that important. He’s 301/75 for his career. If you put the break even rate at 71%, a player who stole 376 bases would steal 276 bases successfully and get caught 100 times. So Reyes is about 25 bases ahead. He’d get the same value if he went something like 10/1 every year. He’d be less fun to watch, but he’d probably prolong his career by a few years.
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 22, 2010 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
We better get the vesting option ready
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
I want him to be a Met for life too
but there are some people who don’t like Reyes because he celebrates, and then criticize him, and say he has done nothing (ahem Daily Baseball Digest) which makes me think he’ll leave
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
those people are idiots
$100 says the people who don’t like Reyes because he celebrates too much (re: shows too much emotion) don’t like Beltran because he doesn’t show enough emotion.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Feb 18, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
this is just people looking for reasons to be bitter.
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 18, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I like Beltran
Reyes is the only Met I don’t like as a person.
Nick Evans is a Met I don’t like because the team underrates him so much that it results in fans overrating him.
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
I know you've expressed your dislike for Reyes before
and I just don’t get how you don’t like him as a person.
I still don't get how you dislike Reyes as a person.
Have you ever met Jose Reyes?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 19, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
more importantly
would he say he doesn’t like Jose Reyes to his face?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Feb 19, 2010 6:06 AM EST up reply actions
Jose’d probably just smile, ask “why not?”, and go back to dancing.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 19, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
It would be like that video (from spring training some year?)
where the annoying old lady is screeching “It’s time to speak English, Jose, it’s time to speak English!!” while he’s trying to have a conversation with someone, and he looks at her and says, “How are you?” and goes back to chatting.
That was classic.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think a lot of people who criticize him would still want him as the Mets shortstop.
I believe it was metsguy (I’m not sure, though, so don’t quote me on that) who said that, while he doesn’t like Reyes personally, there aren’t any other players out there who are any better than him who could ever be signed.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 18, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Fail.
I meant to say…well if these people know there’s no one else better for the job, why don’t they just keep their mouths shut and not risk driving him away?
by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Feb 18, 2010 6:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah because Jose Reyes is definitely reading AA and my comments towards him will drive him away
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
Oh no
Not you, but Joe Benigno & Evan Roberts, Mike Francesca, WFAN callers who “represent” Met fans, newspaper columnists with silly “trade Jose Reyes!!!” articles and so on.
Coming this April, fun times with Jeff and Gary!
let me make this clear
my dream would be to get rid of him and pick up an equally talented, but more serious and hardworking, shortstop
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
your dream is flawed
in that there aren’t many equally talented shortstops anywhere. Also if talent levels are equal i’d rather watch a player that is fun than one that is a mindless automaton. I’ll give you that the serious comment is a valid preference (although I disagree, I like baseball players who act human), but hardworking is just insulting. I’m pretty sure Reyes works plenty hard, or he wouldn’t be nearly as good as he is. Just because you have fun doing what you do doesn’t mean you’re not a hard worker.
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 19, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
What is your proof, even
that he isn’t hardworking to make a statement like that? (in response to Metsguy)
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
so basically you want Captain Calm eyes?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Feb 19, 2010 6:07 AM EST up reply actions
not really
Jeter seems like a douche
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
by metsguy234 on Feb 19, 2010 6:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He wants Joe Kings
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
Let me present you the grittiest, most serious, most hardworking player in the entire Mets organization:
Both men were also surprised at how quick the two-hour workout was, instead of the six-hour process that is more typical in Japan. (Takahashi felt the workout was not long enough for his needs, so he has been coming in early and doing extra running.)
Link
Sorry, but Murphy doesn’t stand a chance.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
it was indeed me
I really really really REALLY don’t like the guy at all as a person, but there’s only a couple of SS I’d take over him performance-wise, so meh
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
who?
In all seriousness (and putting whatever you imagine his personality to be aside), what shortstop in MLB would you take over Reyes right now, and why?
The only candidates would be Hanley and Tulowizki
and I would take both of them over Jose. They also both have never nice contracts (for the team that has them).
hanley, tulo, rollins, jeter
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
by metsguy234 on Feb 19, 2010 6:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rollins? Really Rollins?
He’s old, he’s offensively declining.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Feb 19, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions
ugh rollins and jeter?
Jeter is way up there in years… and really… you don’t like Reyes’ personality, but Rollins is OK? I’m pretty sure you’re just fu*king with us now.
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 19, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Rollins. Lol.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Hanley yes
Tulo, maaaaybe, but not over a fully healthy Reyes.
Jeter, sure, if he were 28. Today, no, not at all.
Rollins? No way, no how. He’s had one legitimately great season, other than that there’s not a single year where he was better than Jose Reyes’s average season from 2006-2008.
2009 Did Not Happen
I think tulo over a healthy reyes is arguable
because Reyes seems to tire out at the end of seasons, even in healthy years his production has fallen pretty significantly every august/september, so what exactly do we consider a healthy reyes?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Its pretty close but right now Tulo projects a bit better I think.
Its close. CHONE projection – CHONE defense + fan’s defense = ~5.5 WAR. Reyes with the same thing is ~4.8 WAR. Jose is projected to play less games, but Tulo is projected better in wRC+ and UZR/150.
yeah, okay, that's what I thought
You’re nuts if you’d take Rollins over Reyes, and I don’t think there’s even any point continuing this discussion now that you’ve mentioned Captain Calm Eyes. (There needs to be some kind of baseball corollary of Godwin’s Law for that.)
If Captain Calm Eyes exists, it stands to reason that Captain Crazy Eyes would exist, no?
Jeff Francoeur stands out in my mind as the leading candidate for that one.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Jeter a lot
awful personality, but he’s a great player
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
yes, he is
so is Jose Reyes. And Reyes is 10 years younger and right now, a better player. You’re ridiculous if you can’t realize that.
2009 Did Not Happen
Can I just say
I sort of in a way want to apologize to metsguy because I wasn’t trying to call you out or anything, I meant the Jose haters in general…specifically the people with more power in the media. Although I have to say I personally believe all your opinions on Jose as a person are idiotic and pure bull shit (no offense), I still just felt the need to sort of say sorry. But then it gets me mad that I’m apologizing for you hating Jose flipping Reyes but gah I don’t know. I’ll just stop talking.
by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Feb 19, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
again
would you say that to his face, that you really don’t like him, and tell him why?
You don’t like him because he celebrates. You don’t like him because you believe he is not hardworking. Both of your arguments are flawed in that, to become a professional baseball player, and to be one of the best 750 players in the world, and much higher than that, you have to work extremely hard and be extremely dedicated. I’m not sure if you fully realize how much dedication goes in, but baseball players spend about 6 weeks preparing, every day, for a 6-7 month season. So there’s no way he isn’t hardworking, thats just bullshit from WFAN.
And so what if he celebrates? So are you saying he can’t display emotions in sports? I mean, the only team that I can remember coming out and saying something was Dicktorino. Do you, personally, celebrate when you play sports or another competitive game? And if you’re saying he shouldn’t celebrate because its bad sportsmanhship or whatever, maybe the fans should become emotionless Derek Jeter like people at games.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Feb 19, 2010 6:13 AM EST up reply actions
no i wouldnt say it to his face
That’s highly rude… I didn’t like Bush but I wouldn’t tell him that to his face
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
by metsguy234 on Feb 19, 2010 6:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you completely missed my point
that he’s a hardworker, etc etc
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Feb 19, 2010 7:11 AM EST up reply actions
Two things come to my mind right now
First and foremost, thank God. I want him to retire as a Met as well. Secondly, why would anyone want to play their entire career in this shitfest of an organization?
Gotta be fun being a star athlete in NY
well, other than media coverage when things aren’t going well.
hope so
I hope we keep him, but Wright is even more important to keep as a career Met
by Rickfansince76 on Feb 19, 2010 12:46 AM EST reply actions
I don't see why keeping one would affect keeping the other
it’s not like we’re the A’s, we should be able to afford to pay multiple superstars.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Well, you know Omar. He can only focus on one person or another.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see Wright and Reyes given long extensions.
I tend to criticize the organization for overpaying stars but these two would be an exception in my eyes. It would simply make me happy. I love these characters, not because of the uniforms they wear but because of what they mean to the uniforms.
Mets have two great kids in Wright and Reyes
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