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Can the Mets trade David Wright for Albert Pujols?


If you ask any Cardinals fan what their team's biggest hole is, they will say, "third base." The Cardinals lost Mark DeRosa and they traded away top prospect Brett Wallace, so now they are stuck with the young and unproven David Freese.  If you ask any Mets fan what their team's biggest hole is, well you will probably get a few different answers, but many people would say, "first base." Daniel Murphy doesn't have the offensive ability needed to be a solid first baseman in the National League. The Mets have a star third baseman in David Wright and the Cardinals have a star first baseman in Albert Pujols. Perhaps it would make sense to swap these two players. Read on to find out why this plan works.

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What exactly is wrong with David Freese and Daniel Murphy? David Freese is going to be 27 years old in a few months and he hasn't really progressed the way the Cardinals have wanted him to. For one, he strikes out nearly 25% of the time which is not good. When he swings at pitches outside of the strike zone, he makes no contact nearly 20% more than the average Major League player does. He has decent power but he is also injured too much and he just isn't able to put the pieces together.  Some people think he can be a good player in the bigs and some people don't. As for Murphy, he has never had more than 13 home runs in a single season throughout his professional career, and his OPS is less than league average for all positions which is even more of a problem considering he is at first base. His wRAA in 2009 was almost -5 runs and his BABIP is also below average. However, Murphy is a solid defender in the infield an is known for his plate discipline so perhaps he may have a nice career. The similarity between Freese and Murphy is that both players are able to be good, but they just don't have the pieces to lock it all up and be able to pencil in stats on a consistent basis. Now that we know the problem, we can move onto the actual trade.

 

First off, a normal person would say, "Albert Pujols is the best player in baseball. David Wright is good but he is nowhere near being the best player in baseball. This would be a terrible trade for the Cardinals." However, the point of a trade is not for each side to receive exactly what they gave up. If each team got exactly what they gave, then what would be the point of the trade? The trade obviously occurred because each side had a problem, so they are trying to fix them. The real point of a trade is to get something that you wouldn't otherwise have and benefit in the process. Obviously this doesn't always happen and sometimes a trade is completely lopsided. However, the Cardinals problem is that they need a third baseman and the Mets problem is that they need a first baseman. If David Wright and Albert Pujols were swapped, then the Mets would have a first baseman and the Cardinals would have a third baseman. The problem that presents itself now is that the Mets don't have a third baseman and the Cardinals don't have a first baseman. But wait! They do, and they don't even need to look beyond their major league rosters.

 

In case you didn't know, Daniel Murphy started his career as a third baseman and from what I know he was actually pretty good there. He moved his position because he didn't want David Wright to block his way to the Majors. Now that Wright would be gone, Murphy could move back to third. Yes, I did just knock Murphy's offensive talents but he can still get on base at a nice clip and he CAN be a capable Major League hitter, just not for a first baseman. If we acquired Albert Pujols, AKA the best hitter in the world, we could afford to have Murphy playing third base for us.

 

The Cardinals have a guy named Joe Mather who could play first base for them. He has only played 54 games in the Majors and was hurt during 2009, but this guy definitely has power potential. From 2006-2008 he hit 62 home runs and 81 doubles. Hit OBP isn't going to be very good but he consistently has good enough Slugging to put him above average in the OPS category. Also, he strikes out more than most people, but considering he has power to boot, this will be okay especially considering that as a first baseman, the comparison points are Mark Reynolds, Ryan Howard and Adam Dunn.

 

In the end, Joe Mather is similar to David Freese but slightly better, and Daniel Murphy is comparable to Daniel Murphy but at third base will be more of a benefit to his club as he is not clogging up a power position and can play his natural position. The Mets get one of the best players in the game and the Cardinals get a great third baseman who plays good defense and is at an all-star level for just about every offensive stat, not to mention he brings some speed into the lineup.

 

And lastly, for those of you who still think the Cardinals are getting a bad deal here, consider the following:

 

1. Albert Pujols' contract will expire after the 2011 season and the Cardinals can't afford to resign him to the extension they want.

2. Even if they can sign Pujols to an extension, does a middle market team really want to pay one player $30 million?

3. If you trade a superstar such as Pujols, you expect to get back three or four top prospects in return. However, even top prospects have high bust rates and you will be lucky if even one of them turns out being an all star. David Wright is already a proven all star who fans love, so why take a risk with prospects?

 

If you really think about it, this is a pretty good trade for both sides.

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Is this a good trade?
It is good for both sides.
22 votes
It is bad for both sides.
18 votes
It is bad for the Mets but good for the Cardinals.
8 votes
It is bad for the Cardinals but good for the Mets.
80 votes
This is genius!
5 votes
This is the stupidest proposal I have ever heard!
175 votes

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No.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 19, 2010 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

Simply Put

No.

Coming this April, fun times with Jeff and Gary!

by Brian. on Feb 19, 2010 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Why not?

Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Feb 19, 2010 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Because

if you trade the best baseball player in the universe straight up for David Wright you are making your team worse. Period.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 19, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

BUT

if you don’t trade him at all and lose him to free agency or trade him for some crappy prospects that don’t develop then you are losing out when you can have David Wright.

Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Feb 19, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

They likely won't lose him to free agency

there’s no real reason to think he’ll walk, especially after they locked up Holliday, and even if he will Pujols and Holliday give them a better chance to win a championship this year, than Holliday and Wright.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 19, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Locking up Holiday lowers the chances of a Pujols extension, doesnt it?

Because that gives the Cardinals less funds for Pujols. $45-50 million on two players per season? They aren’t the Yankees.

Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Feb 19, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Locking up Holliday gives Pujols protection

Without him, there’s no other good hitters in the lineup.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 19, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

But what I am saying is that the Cardinals may not be able to afford having both players locked up long term

Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Feb 19, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The Cardinals signed Holliday specifically in order to help convince Pujols

to reup with them.

There’s no way on earth they’d lock up Holliday and thereby risk losing Albert. You’ve got it backwards.

by SeanSchirmer on Feb 20, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

you think

mo signed holliday and forgot about albert?

i don’t

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 21, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

No resigning them was a big deal to him

he wanted it to get down. And they kept the AAV low enough that they should have no problem resigning him. How are you getting near 45-50 million for 2 players Hollidays making like 17 per, so it might be like 37 million to two players.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 19, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

They have no reason to trade Pujols right now.

He’s under contract for this season and next. You’re advancing almost false choices in your comment: they can lose him to free agency for nothing, or trade him for “crappy prospects”, or, heck, we’ll take him in exchange for David Wright. I think it’s more like this:

1) I agree with Gina that he probably won’t walk; if he did, however . . .
2) . . . then they trade him for probably a pretty amazing package of players some time next year. They won’t have to settle for “crappy prospects”; they’ll be able to ask for a team’s best prospects and probably some current major leaguers.
3) In any event, whatever package they’d get in trade would certainly be more than one all-star player.

I know you’re thinking outside the box, but this deal makes no sense and never gets made.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 19, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If nothing else

if it was one all-star he’d be under a more favorable longeterm contract than wright, or under team control, not that Wrights contract is bad just that it’s not enough less than what I’d imagine Pujols would ask for from the Cards, and it only goes till 2014 right so they’d only get two more years of maybe paying a player like 6 million less than what they might have to offer Pujols, since I don’t expect him to be demanding 20+ million to resign with them.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 19, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Tony B was the Mets' biggest 'hole

Now the biggest ‘hole they’ve got is probably one of the Wilpons.

Or Jason Bay. Canuck jocks are notoriously arrogant.

by hotspur on Feb 19, 2010 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

"Canuck jocks are notoriously arrogant"?

Really? I’ve generally found it to be the opposite.

Regarding the original question, I don’t think either team makes that trade. Home-grown superstars with ties to their home cities pre-dating their MLB playing years and strong community presences do not grow on trees. David Wright, who grew up rooting for the Mets and is tremendously marketable in New York, is less valuable to the Cardinals than he is to the Mets. Albert Pujols, who played high school and college baseball in Missouri, owns a restaurant in St. Louis, and sponsors a charitable foundation for the care of Down’s Syndrome patients in Missouri, is less valuable to the Mets than he is to the Cardinals. It doesn’t make sense in either direction.

by JoshNY on Feb 19, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I was jk

Canadians are so laid back they consider Celine Dion and Shatner national treasures.

by hotspur on Feb 20, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, sorry then

need to recalibrate my sarcasm detector.

(yes, I know there’s a picture, but I don’t feel like hunting it down.)

by JoshNY on Feb 23, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes!!!!!!111111oneone!!!1

If there’s blackmail photos involved.

by Dan Lewis on Feb 19, 2010 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

Hah!

I was thinking, can’t wait till vivapujols gets here. Forgot about you.

by SuperT on Feb 19, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't even read the post.

You don’t trade David Wright…unless you enjoy ruining a young girl’s life. But you know. No biggy. I’ll just change my name to francoeurrrxgirlllx3 and see how that goes.

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Feb 20, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

hopefully Francoeur will be here the one year

before F! replaces him.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Feb 20, 2010 6:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

Albert Pujols is statistically better in basically every category possible, but he’s not David Wright.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2010 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

I love David Wright

in a strictly sports crush way, so don’t worry wrightttxgirlll, but I would do this trade, becasue Albert Pujols is Albert Pujols.
However there is no way in hell the Cardinals would ever do this

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Feb 19, 2010 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

Nah, I'm quite happy not going to hell

Anyway, this trade would never ever happen. The Cardinals would never do it, and I don’t see the Mets doing it either

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Feb 20, 2010 6:18 AM EST up reply actions  

It would make me hate Albert Pujols, which is sad.

He seems like a nice guy. And apparently he’s like, good at baseball or something.

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Feb 20, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, he's like awesome

more awesomer than anyone on the Mets.
The problem with this trade though is we would get Pujols, opening a hole at third

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Feb 21, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Danny Murphy can have his actual position back.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 21, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

"David Wright" (or "Jose Reyes") and "trade" should never be in the same sentence.

You would have a better chance if the title was merely a bait and you were discussing the idea of swapping David Freese and Daniel Murphy.

In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.

by Michkin on Feb 19, 2010 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

The only player I would ever even consider trading Wright for is Pujols

The Cardinals would never do it though, because even though Wright is really, really awesome, Pujols is on a completely different level from everyone else.

by Syler on Feb 19, 2010 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

Mets

can have Pujols and Wright together after 2011.

by Olde Isle Mets Fan on Feb 19, 2010 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

He's not leaving St Louis

Period. They will pay whatever for him or that city will riot. Plus they signed Holliday for protection for him. Wishful thinking but its like Jeter not resigning with the Yanks not gonna happen.

by TheKid08 on Feb 19, 2010 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

It all really depends on what Pujols wants to do

Even if the Cards can pay Pujols the most and even if Pujols “gives them a discount”, as he said he might, they’ll never have the same financial power that the Mets, Red Sox and some of the other big market teams have in being able to sign all-star caliber talent to put around Pujols.

by Olde Isle Mets Fan on Feb 20, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Longoria for Pujols...

I can’t see any others as fair value… That contract for Longoria is ridiculous.

ain't had enough...

by BlackOps on Feb 19, 2010 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

How much did Hanley sign for?

he’s another player that might make sense.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 19, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

6 years, $70 mil.

Coming this April, fun times with Jeff and Gary!

by Brian. on Feb 20, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

no way

Albert will be a card for a long time, and Wright a Met. I do not see either getting traded or becoming a free agent.

by Rickfansince76 on Feb 20, 2010 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

It might be more realistic...

… to suggest we trade stadiums with the Cards.

by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 20, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

I'd love it.

John Mozeliak would not.

Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P

by metsguy234 on Feb 20, 2010 11:46 PM EST reply actions  

Are you kidding me?
When he swings at pitches outside of the strike zone, he makes no contact nearly 20% more than the average Major League player does.

He’s had 20 plate appearances in the majors, for gods sakes.

Also, Freese is not a weakness. He has a career .380/.540 line in the minors, and plays good defense. He should be a 1-2 WAR player for the league minimum.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 21, 2010 1:33 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Mathers
Hit OBP isn’t going to be very good but he consistently has good enough Slugging to put him above average in the OPS category. Also, he strikes out more than most people, but considering he has power to boot, this will be okay especially considering that as a first baseman, the comparison points are Mark Reynolds, Ryan Howard and Adam Dunn.

considering adam dunns obp is usually among the leagues highest, and howard and reynolds are usually at least above average sometimes howards is even higher, wouldn’t that make them not good comparisons?

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 21, 2010 1:38 AM EST reply actions  

I love David Wright

I’ve been following him since the Mets drafted him. I played 3rd base my whole life, so I always root for Mets 3rd basemen. Next to Edgardo Alfonzo he’s my favorite Met ever. He’s probably one of the 5 best non-pitchers in baseball, and he’s great in the community. He grew up a Mets fan. Guys like him are extremely rare to find.

If I’m the Mets GM, I don’t even blink before saying yes to this trade. That’s why it will never happen.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Feb 21, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

are you kidding me?

first of all, the cards’ biggest hole is the fifth starter. there’s enough depth at 3b that it won’t be hard to get lg avg production out of one of freese, mather or craig. and if it were that big of a deal, lopez would be signed.

and wright for pujols? are you high? wright is good player and all, but he’s not, oh, best player in the game good. not one of the all time greats good. this is just silly

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Feb 21, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

The Cards would be better served moving Pujols back to 3B

And have him learn how to do the softball pitch style of underhand throwing to get the ball to 1B. Not only from an on-field production perspective, but you can’t tell me you wouldn’t watch every inning of the Cards on defense to see that happen. That translates to dollars on the bottom line, although that might be mitigated somewhat by reducing concession stand purchases at the games.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Feb 21, 2010 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

So the Mets Black hole would go from 1st to third?

It is a Hell of a lot easier to find a power hitting 1st baseman than an all-star 3rd baseman.
Quick name the 5 best 3rd basemen in Mets history.
I bet you don’t get past 4 without a baseball reference search, and of the three others none hold a candle to Wright.
Just because Omar is an idiot who can’t find a first baseman you don’t trade the ‘chise for a future 50 game suspension for the juice. (You know its coming, be honest with yourself, Pujols will slip up just like Manny finally did)
I don’t even look at the STL side of the deal (Never happens, especially after the All Star Pujols fest last year)
Its not a good deal for the Mets either.

Jerry and Omar assclowns for life

by Ghost of seven in a row on Feb 21, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

David Wright, Robin Ventura, Edgardo Alfonzo, Howard Johnson, Ed Charles

no baseball-reference for me. Still, I agree with your general point

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Feb 22, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow Ed Charles

I would have gone with Ray Knight but 1986 is my 1969.

Jerry and Omar assclowns for life

by Ghost of seven in a row on Feb 23, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm too young for either, unfortunately

but “The Glider” was my dad’s favorite player on the ’69 team, so I always remember his name, and I had to rank him ahead of Bobby Bonilla

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Feb 23, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Glider wouldn't be remembered if it weren't for '69

Top 3 (as Mets) are Wright, HoJo & Fonzie in that order. Then you have guys who basically had one great year as a Met: Ventura, Knight & Lenny Randle. Hubie Brooks was better than Ed Charles, and I take no great pride in saying it, but it’s still true.

"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore

by StorkFan on Feb 25, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not just cut the BS and trade Murphy for Mather straight up?

They get their 3b and we get a 1b. Except of course we just block the path of Mr. I. Davis.

"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"

by scott from peekskill on Feb 25, 2010 11:50 PM EST reply actions  

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