Forgone Physical Applesauce - Mets are putzes, Reyes improving, Bobby Valentine speculation
by Joe Budd on Feb 2, 2010 8:22 AM EST
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Meet the Mets
Maybe it wasn't the Met training staff after all that was the problem last year. Maybe it was the utterly incompetent Met front office. Either way, what player is going to want to come to the Mets after all this stuff?
On the heels of the Putz news, here's a story about Jose Reyes' successful rehab.
Maybe it's just time that we come to the realization that all that excitement in past years was misguided.
Now that the Mets are most likely finished adding to the roster, let's take a quick look and evaluate what we've got.
Patrick Flood provides a really nice comparison of Doc Gooden and Sandy Koufax.
Let the Bobby Valentine speculation begin once again.
Around MLB
Let's start with some baseball video game news. First, 2K Sports is offering $1,000,000 to the first player to successfully throw a perfect game in their latest edition. Second, does anyone remember how some old games just had weird player names?
The Simpsons ragged on Jose Canseco last Sunday.
Bob Gibson is not sanctimonious and I like that.
Byung-Hyun Kim is leaving retirement and joining the Giants.
New Stadium Insider sits down with the Yankee fan who canceled his season tickets over the offseason debacle.
Sunday Night Baseball voice Jon Miller is heading to Cooperstown.
The Rays once again have an amazing farm system. I'm pretty jealous.
And, finally, MLB is suing Upper Deck for printing trademarked material. I will have an opinion on this after I finish this semester's Property class.
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Daily Stache
They made the exact same comparison I was set to do a fanpost about. The Mets are the Yankees of the late 80s, right down to the playing second fiddle to a superior organization in the same city part.
because he's the hero the mets need
but not the one they deserve.
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 2, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Never mind Bobby...
…bring back DAVEY, our winningest (yes, I know that’s not really a word) manager.
by erich10031 on Feb 2, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Amen to that
Rec’d
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Great news on Jose at least
I can’t wait to see him back on the field.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
Saw him on the news last night
He looked good running around in the training center.
So is it tomorrow or Thursday that we hear about a Reyes season-ending setback?
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Feb 2, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions
No....the second week of April
it will come out that even though Reyes wasn’t 100% during spring training, Omar pushed him to get back on the field and said that the soreness in his hammy was just some tightness from having last year off.
Then in June the MRI with the hammy tear taken in May wasn’t much of a concern to Omar because it seemed like a minor thing. But the announcement that he’s done for the year is " a dissapointment to all of us".
Isn’t that how these things go around here?
That Yankee fan is a total mook:
1. He’s too stupid to realize that Cashman made GOOD moves this offseason.
2. He isn’t content with the highest payroll in American sports and last year’s WS Championship? That’s not even a fair-weather fan, that’s a whiny little brat.
I find most Yankee fans are not happy with their offseason moves..
..this season. It’s unbelievable to me that Yankee fans feel their team has not improved their lineup from last year.
by mr. big tone on Feb 2, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
These are average Yankee fans we're talking about here. Come on.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 2, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
If that's true...
… then “most Yankee fans” are f*cking morons.
(Most of the ones I know whose opinions I respect have been gloating about the acquisitions more than the WS.)
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 2, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
The Yankees could have traded Melky for Mauer
and Yankees fans would have complained because Melky was a true Yankee and Mauer’s never played in a big pressure environment.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Jon Miller
is so damned annoying…“now batting, Carlos Bel-TRAN”. He and Morgan are the worst combo.
I think Miller would be tolerable and maybe pretty good even with some of his pronunciations
if he wasn’t stuck with Morgan and last year Steve Phillips.
The three made the Sunday night game intolerable.
Joe Morgan was already the biggest bag of wind going and when you ad Steve (I wrecked the Mets and banged all their interns) Phillips I was done with that game. Thank god you can follow baseball with no volume.
by christopherm on Feb 2, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
he is actually pretty good on the radio in SF.
for whatever reason, he is terrible with Morgan on ESPN.
"I used to be legit. I was too legit. I was too legit to quit. but now I'm not legit. I'm unlegit. And for that reason, I must quit."
HINT
It may be because of his partner!
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 2, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
You do realize that that is closer to
the actual pronunciation of his name than you think.
Video Games
I used to love games that had made-up player names. Ken Griffey Baseball for Super Nintendo was the best example. The Yankees were named after NYC stuff (Harlem, Bronx, Bridge, etc.), Angels were named after actors (Brando, Grant, Wayne) and Mets were some punk rock people (Ramone, Verlaine). I think most teams had a theme like that. Always enjoyed figuring out who the players were in real life.
by James Kannengieser on Feb 2, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions
I bet no one would accuse that team of lacking grission.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 2, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent?
Joey is a punk. Dee Dee is a runt. They might as well go to Berlin, join the Ice Capades or something.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 2, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Whoa-oh-oh yeah.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 2, 2010 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I also remember in Tecmo Super Bowl
Jim Kelly, Bernie Kosar and Randall Cunningham all didn’t have their names in the game for some licensing or contract hold-out reason. QB Eagles was still unstoppable though.
by Mackey Sasser on Feb 2, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ken Griffey Jr Baseball was the shnazz
Much better than Mike Piazza’s strikezone and the constant 920 foot homeruns
Travis Hafner is made of gold
Blame the gay steroids.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 2, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Loved Ken Griffey Baseball.
My favorite team to play with was the Cardinals. Mark Whiten was awesome in that game.
It’s actually hysterical to pop that game in now, “post steroids era.” They portrayed guys like McGwire and Canseco like cartoonish super-heros. Interestingly, Bonds was portrayed as being lean, like Griffey.
I also remember not enjoying the Mets in that game. Other than Vince Coleman, none of the players had some of the fun traits from that game such as super human speed or a rocket throwing arm in the field.
IIRC, the Cardinals were all comedians
and the Rangers had Old West names. Every season I played, I would go through the media guide and change all of the names to their real-life players. There were only like 3 or 4 guys I couldn’t figure out from the stats.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 2, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
That Yankee fan
signifies why there fans piss me off. No, its not the money spent, the buying of champtionships, the stupid “COUNT DAH RINGZZ” its the bitching about smart moves.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Reading that Yankee article, that guy is a moron.
“A couple of years ago, my co-workers thought I was crazy because I said the mets trading for Johan Santana would be a great day for the Yankees because it allowed us to focus on developing young talent.”
-Had the Yankees had Santana in 2008, their string of playoff appearances would not have been broken. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Dah ringz?
“The Nick Johnson move doesn’t make sense to me because it negates the plans the Yankees had to use the DH position as a way for the other older players to use the DH spot to rest up. I understand his high OBP and understand that baseball is now a stat driven sport, but I don’t think a one dimensional player is worth that sort of investment for a team so focused on it’s budget.”
-Come again?
“I think that Damon deserved a contract in the neighborhood of the Bobby Abreu deal, since Damon is a much better rounded player than Abreu.”
-Uh huh…
And, it featured examples of what we were talking about a few weeks ago, about “Cerronese”- when you make yourself look stupid by using incorrect spelling, grammar, etc., people are going to think you’re stupid (though, this guy just might actually be…)
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 2, 2010 4:00 PM EST reply actions
The Johnson comment does make some sense, though.
The Yankers are a very old team, and it makes sense to not have a DH who isn’t going to DH very much because you need to keep the position open in order to rotate your old guys through it. They probably would have been better off giving Johnson’s money to a player such as Damon who is much more likely to be able to play the field without getting hurt.
With guys like Abreu/Damon/Matsui gone
who do they really need to rotate in like that? Maybe Winn and Posada?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Definitely A-Rod.
Jeter’s also not getting younger. Posada definitely. It just means they can’t give guys a bit of a rest but keep a bat in the lineup. It’s not the worst mistake in the world, but the Yanks got tremendous years last year from old and injured players and I suspect it would really help not to push those guys.
Does it really keep them from it
I mean who were else were they going to sign for the DH spot that could regularly play the field? It’s not like they signed Johnson instead of Damon they signed Winn instead of Damon. It’s not like there’s really anything keeping them from benching Johnson and getting someone else some rest now anymore than if they signed some awful defensive player for the DH spot.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I think that's the point, though.
Winn may be completely cooked at this point. He had an OPS+ of 75 last year. Johnson’s power is also vanishing. Damon is probably the best hitter of the three. With Granderson and Gardner the Yanks have two guys who can play CF. Knowing what they do about what Damon would be willing/have to take today for a contract I’m sure they’d much rather have Damon than Winn.
I’m not saying they should have been clairvoyant, but it was only a few days ago that they picked up Winn. Much smarter to pick up an OFer vastly better than Winn for a few million more, not to mention a guy who would be an improvement as a DH on their current DH, for when their current DH gets hurt combing his hair.
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 2, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure they could "afford" Damon
after bringing in Vazquez.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Right. I did some math, and posted it somewhere I don't remember.
I don’t feel like looking up the numbers, so I’m just going to go by memory
Winn + Gardner = Projected 2.9 WAR, for $2.5 million dollars
Vasquez = Projected 4.5 (by the fans, so use that with a grain of salt), for $11 million dollars
Vasquez + Winn + Gardner = Projected 7.4 WAR, for $13.5 million dollars
Damon = Projected 3.2 WAR, who was asking for $12 or so (but probably will, in the end, sign for 1/2 to 3/4s that.)
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 2, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Though it really comes down to the comparative values of Damon and Winn,
and the fact that the MFYs can easily afford the difference particularly given the chance that Winn is toast.
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 2, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I would disagree
I’d say it comes down to the values of Damon and Vazquez, since Boras claimed he wouldn’t settle for less than 13 million. And I think a major point was sticking it to Boras. Even if Winn is only worth 1-2 wins they’ll stick make up more than enough of the difference with Vazquez and they made a stand against Boras.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
You would would you?
Sticking it to Boras might make you feel good, but I doubt it does you any good in the next negotiation. Experienced agents don’t really give a damn about the last contract, but only about the next contract.
I think you can eat your cake and still have it this time around.
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 3, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Even the Yankees have a spending limit (in theory).
And, there’s nothing “wrong” with spending frugally. Looking at the stats, CHONE is projecting him to be worth 0.8 WAR, with Bill James and Marcel giving a similar prognosis, albeit without a WAR guess. All three are showing a recovery from his 2009 season. Whether or not that happens, we’ll have to see, because those projections certainly aren’t written in stone. But, even if Winn is worth 1/2 that, and performs at a level of 0.4 WAR, splitting his time with Gardner will give the Yankees a WAR of 2.6 or so. That’s still 2.6 WAR for $2.5 million dollars, as opposed to Damon’s 3.2 WAR, which is a bit better, but at a much steeper price.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 2, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
They're the MFYs.
At this point in the offseason it’s well worth it for them to pick up Damon rather than Winn. That’s in fact the frugal move, to sign the much better player for only a (relatively) few more dollars.
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 3, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming that Winn produces as the projections are saying he will
is 2.9 WAR or so coming from Winn/Gardner really worth that much less than 3.2 WAR coming from Damon.? Is that 0.3 difference worth around ten million extra dollars? Me, personally, I don’t think so. Assuming the Yankees spend that $10 million anyway, it can be allotted to fixing holes in other places, generally improving the team.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 3, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
The position that should be used to rest players (who may or may not be older)? It's called the bench.
Stupid DH. Stupid American League.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 2, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
We really do have one shot.
I don’t consider Valentine a savior, but I do think he’s a very smart baseball man. If the Wilpons finally decide to eat Minaya’s contract I really think our only hope at a solid, unembarrassing team is if they shrug and decide to sample some of the glory days of the franchise by hiring Bobby as GM and giving him a lot of authority.
I don't know if I'd make him GM, but he certainly could only help as manager.
During his tenure with the team in the 90s, he was able to coax every last bit of talent out of a group that has less talent per player than we have now, in order to get into the playoffs. That type of baseball managerial skill can only help.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 2, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Sure. If that's the only position he'd take, by all means.
But it’s going to take a strong GM to really turn this team around.
by SeanSchirmer on Feb 3, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Definitley.
I just say that I’d consider him “only” as manager because I don’t know what GMing qualifications he has. I’ve always seen GM as a more “suit-and-tie” type thing that “outsiders” to the game- as in, businessmen- are more apt to excel at. He could theoretically be a bad GM, for whatever reason.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 3, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Bobby V and Jon Miller Fan
I like the guy, maybe he could become a GM for us instead.
Jon Miller is one of the most entertaining guys I have ever listened to, but maybe it is time to get a different guy to replace Joe Morgan because i am tired of him. Mark Grace would be a great replacement
Bobby V. took us to the world series, enough said, Manuel took us no where.
by LostOnRevisIsland24 on Feb 3, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions
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