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The Met catching situation was the main storyline for the Mets this past weekend as they finally came to terms with Rod Barajas. The general feeling is that Barajas is now the best catcher in camp, but that's not saying a whole lot. Bill Madden is reminded of the 1962 Mets. Ted Berg is still wondering why not Felipe Lopez as well.

The other catchers in camp are getting some attention as well. Omir Santos is less than thrilled that he went from big league starter to AAA backup. The fall from grace is because Henry Blanco seems to have a lock on the major league backup spot and Josh Thole is most likely going to continue raking in Buffalo. By the way, that Thole story has an amazing story about his fiancee who sounds like a real keeper.

Believe it or not, there are actually some R.A. Dickey stories out there as well. The knuckleballer is hoping to find a way onto the Met staff. In case you're curious, Adam Rubin has some video of the pitcher doing his thing.

The Mets are trying to make Oliver Perez hang out with Johan Santana to get some of the ace pitcher's work ethic. Doesn't sound like it's working too well at this early point.

Jerry thinks that Jenrry Mejia might make the squad as a bullpen arm

Kevin Burkhardt believes that Jonathan Niese is the clear front runner for the fifth starter's spot. Hooray minor league system.

Ryota Igarashi used to be Swallowsman. Unfortunately, he is hoping to tone down his act in his new country.

Patrick Flood imagines a team full of David Wrights and another team full of Alex Coras. Speaking of David Wright, he's ITBSOHL.

Fred Wilpon wants to keep the Mets in the family for a few more generations. Groan.

The Mets are hoping to void their claim of submariner Jay Marshall who has failed to report to camp due to an arm injury.

FYI, Met single game tickets go on sale March 7.

Around MLB

Nate McLouth couldn't see real well last year. I'll give McLouth some love though for taking the number 24 because of Jack Bauer.

After missing out on Johnny Damon, the Dipsy at Phillies Nation seems to think that Jermaine Dye would be a good fit for Philadelphia.

The Yankees have signed Chan Ho Park.

The Mayor of Rome announced that the city will build a baseball stadium intended for international competition.

Can't get enough of Ozzie Guillen? Good news, he's getting a reality show on MLB.

Billy Wagner used to send messages to Bobby Cox during the game. It would appear that Atlanta is Wagner's dream team.

I feel really bad for Dontrelle Willis. I shouldn't really though because the guy is going to have more money than I ever will, but still.

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Swallowsman

“There really has got to be a better way to say that.”

phliadelphoe ite domum!

by Doc Manhattan on Feb 22, 2010 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

"I used to throw more screwballs in games."

“Now, I’m afraid I just screw myself. And my teammates.”

by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 22, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

What should I make about Mejia?

Would it be better to put him into the bullpen now and risk permanently damaging his confidence or leaving him in the minors to have him pitch 100 more innings than he ever has before? I hope Jerry isn’t just posturing to try to trade him away.

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by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 22, 2010 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

It would depend on how much you trust the mets development team/warthen

to continue his development while he’s pitching in the bullpen rather than allowing him to lean to heavily on his fastball to the detriment of the development of his off-speed stuff. And to be willing to not overuse him, should we somehow end up in a play-off race, at the detriment to his long-term health/development.

So I’d say he should be as far away from the ml team as possible. Lets send him to New Zealand in fact.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 22, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Beirut.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 22, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

A year from now, the bullpen might not be an AWFUL idea

But right now it should be out of the question. He’s still too raw. He has a major league fastball, and overall when he’s spinning the ball at his best his secondary stuff is probably major league caliber too, but he’s still yet to throw 100 innings in a pro season. Putting him the pen now could really set back his development as a starter. First of all, he’s not going to be getting his secondary stuff more consistent as a reliever. He’ll probably be mostly fastball-changeup, and his changeup right now is still too hard. Sometimes it hits 90, which is okay when you’re throwing your fastball 97-99, which he’d probably do consistently in relief, but not when its dialed back in the mid-90s as a starter. That would basically make his changeup a batting practice version of his fastball. His curve also has plus potential though too, he’s just really incosistent with it. If he can learn to repeat it better, and develop his changeup more and get it a bit slower, he could have three really awesome weapons. Letting him work on that while he builds up his workload this year into triple-digit innings is really the only choice the organization should be considering for his development at this point.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Feb 22, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention his control.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 22, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm honestly not sure how much of an issue this really is

He was pinpoint in the FSL, but its easier to do that when you have a ridiculous GB% and none of the flyballs you do give up are making it out of the yard because the parks are so big. It fell off in Double-A a bit, but some of that could have been the finger injury. As for the AFL, I wouldn’t pay too much attention that, it was less than 15 innings if I remember correctly, and the AFL is basically the anti-FSL, its ridiculously hitter friendly. I wouldn’t be shocked if his control was okay as a major league reliever immediately, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t either.

So yeah, this is a question, but its more something I’d call unclear than clearly a problem. I’m sure its one people who watch him on a daily basis have a better answer for than I do.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Feb 22, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You'd know better than me.

I, for one, didn’t realize that his…less than stellar performance in the AFL was based on so few innings. I had it in my mind that the sample size there was a bit more considerable (40+ or so).

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 22, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo.

Build his arm strength. Let him learn to best AAA hitters with regularity. Then, in 2011, if long relief and spot starting makes sense, do it.

It really is a deranged idea—unless they want to treat him the way Earl Weaver did his young guns and make sure he gets plenty of innings out of the pen. But not this year.

by SeanSchirmer on Feb 23, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Mejia in the majors this year

would be the stupidest thing this regime has ever done….and that’s saying something.

by t agee on Feb 22, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

This is already the dilemma the organization has put itself in but promoting him to Double-A so quick

Lets say he throws about 75 innings before the all-star break and is completely destroying Double-A. Jon Niese is already in the majors, Figgy and Nieve are gone/injured, and Takahashi is having a miserable debut in Triple-A. Can you really ask Mejia to make 15 major league starts? If he throws 75 innings, averaging 5 innings per start, that’d bring his season total to 150, which for a 20 year old kid is a huge innings jump that is also connected to a jump in the quality of the batters he’s facing. Major risk here, and you could only vaguely make an argument for trying it if the Mets are neck and neck with the Phillies and Omar doesn’t feel he can swing any kind of worthwhile trade.

Trying him in the pen at the end of the year might be somewhat reasonable, a la Neftali Feliz and the Rangers. This idea isn’t nearly as crazy. Mejia’s only a going to be a few months younger than Feliz was when the Rangers tried this with him in the second half of 2009. But its probably not ideal for his development. If the organization thinks 20-30 relief appearances could be a home stretch difference maker, its somewhat plausible, but otherwise, the safer move is to leave him in the minors, let him get up to 120-130 innings, maybe promote him to Triple-A midseason if he’s handling Double-A, and re-evaluate his path to the majors next spring.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Feb 22, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

If Jermaine Dye was given a shot to start in Philly, He’d be an all star playing in that bandbox.

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by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 22, 2010 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

"el Infierno"

That has got to be one of the coolest possible nicknames, up there with the Velvet Fog, the Galloping Ghost and the Sand Spider.

by hotspur on Feb 22, 2010 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

I definitely like it

We’ve gotta try to make that stick. EL INFIERNO!

by JoshNY on Feb 22, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I kinda feel...

… like the fiancee deserves a nickname, too.

Survivorwoman? La Piedra?

by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 22, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

La Turista

Xenophobic paranoid won’t-leave-the-hotel lady is a “keeper”?

by anonymous on Feb 22, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, that's not really fair

I would agree with you about most any other place, but the kidnapping does seem like a real threat there right now, and if I were connected with any somewhat high-profile baseball person, I’d be a little nervous. And I’ve been all round the globe, in tiny places where just being there made me a celebrity.

I was feeling some concern that he left her with only cereal and peanut butter, but maybe they’re not good at shopping, and couldn’t find many familiar items.

Though it seems they could easily have gotten her a security guard.

by SuperT on Feb 22, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, I'm shocked they could find peanut butter in Caracas.

Being a little cautious, sticking to safe neighborhoods, even having a security guy come with you, is one thing; never leaving the frigging hotel room is quite another. Caracas is a major city, not a Mad Max murder-ganged wasteland. The behavior described in the article is juvenile and ridiculous.

by anonymous on Feb 22, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

To me

She sounds pretty low maintenance. It’s mentioned at least twice in the article that they were warned not to go outside the hotel. There was a kidnapping of a ballplayer’s family member while they were there. She didn’t freak out about beer being spilled on her multiple times. Most women would be on the first plane out of there and say, “See you in a couple months when you get back!”

by blains2000 on Feb 22, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Applesauce

Adam Rubin lobby for a job at SNY now, I see. I hope somehow Dickey puts his crap together, has a strong Spring Training, and makes the team. The pitch thrown around:26 seconds, look at it flopping around midair.

Mets management has paired Perez with Santana before, no? I love this quote, though: “Perez threw one ball into center field, then lobbed the next one so nonchalantly that Bengie Molina would have beaten the throw to the bag.”

I don’t want to see Mejia anywhere near the Major League club yet. It’s not as if we exactly have horrible bullpen issues and need him in there. Let him develop, he’s nowhere near ready.

Igarashi used to be “Swallows Man”, eh? I mentioned something about Igarashi and Kaz Tadano a few days ago, too. Weird coincidence.

It’s good to see the organization learns from past mistakes (kind of): “Jay Marshall, a left-handed reliever the Mets claimed off waivers from the Oakland Athletics last month, did not report to camp because of a sore shoulder. The Mets said it was a pre-existing injury and asked the commissioner’s office to void the claim.”

And, who doesn’t feel bad for Dontrelle Willis? Even when he was with the Marlins, I liked him. He seems like a genuinely cool guy. I hope he figures things out and is able to become, at the very least, an effective pitcher again.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 22, 2010 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Dontrelle Willis
What has he learned about anxiety and its possible effects on him?

“Nothing,” he said.

Does he take medication for his disorder?

“No medication.”

Not to beat on the Tigers or Willis, but what exactly is going on here?

If he actually does have an anxiety disorder, why doesn’t he know anything about it? And if he doesn’t and the Tigers are just stashing him on the DL, doesn’t that strain credibility when your player doesn’t even understand his supposed injury?

How is he supposed to get better when the only explanation he has for himself is that he’s “terrible”?

by mnbv on Feb 22, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

That's just weird

I remember him from when the Marlins had him…looked like an ace, and he could hit too! Hard to believe it’s all just the yips…and why don’t they give him some Zoloft or something?

by erich10031 on Feb 22, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I couldnt imagine

a player taking xanax before a game. Forgetting the count, tagging up, touching the bag on a force. It’d be pretty bad. Probably relax the shit out of the player while they are batting though.

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 22, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

"Anxiety" roughly =s "Antidepressant"

But you’re talking about drugs with VERY different effects.

Paxil and Zoloft are both SSRIs, which means they play with your serotonin levels, typically adjusting one’s feelings of wellbeing/sharpness.

Valium and Xanax are friggin’ tranquilizers.

by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 22, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Commonly prescribed for anxiety.

Not saying that’s what he needs to be exactly, just pointing out a drug he could be prescribed. Of course, it can be very difficult finding a drug that works well without side effects.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 22, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

my mom takes xanax for anxiety

but not an anxiety disorder, just anxiety before going on an airplane

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Feb 22, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

You can do that?

God damn, I’m going on a trip to Spain over the summer, and I sure as hell am terrified of flying…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 22, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

you need a prescription, obviously

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Feb 23, 2010 6:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, yeah, obviously.

I didn’t know medications like that could be taken “when you need it”, like when you’re right about to go on a plane, or some other situation that causes a person stress to the point that they start reacting in a negative manner.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 23, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Anti-anxiety meds are a little different from most medications.

You only need the meds when your stressor gets triggered, and you start having an anxiety attack. There’s no point in taking them at set intervals like other medications, since they won’t do you any good if you’re not having anxiety at the time.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 23, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's the Yips

a lot of scouts/analysts seem to think he kept growing and could no longer repeat the athletic deceptive pitching motion he used early in his career, and on top of that he was probably overused for his age.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 22, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't it make sense then

to convert him to a position player a la Ankiel? I mean he was probably the best hitting pitcher in the League a few years ago, why not try that with him rather than let him rot while you eat up his salary.

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by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 22, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose it might make sense

but I imagine it’s a pretty big long-shot, and Tigers fans might have an issue with the player they traded top prospects for, and gave a hefty extension, being sent to the minors for 2-3 years to learn a whole near position in his mid-late 20s.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 22, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

better some return than no return

I like Willis, hope he figures it out somewhere.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 22, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree there's a better return that no return

but that’s in a vacuum, you also have to take into consider initial fan reaction, and their reaction over the course of their experiment, especially if it fails to work out. The backlash in the short term, may outweigh the possible gain, which is only an incredibly small possibility in itself, over the long-run. If you’re the gm/team president it could mean your jobs.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 22, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

definitely a high risk move

but right now they have a pitcher who can’t pitch his way out of a paper bag. Either way they’re going to need time to get him straightened out. Either way he needs to get his anxiety under control. If he does that, and still can’t pitch, I think the move to another position is the smart choice. I’d say get him on anti-anxiety medication, if that doesn’t work, then you pretty much have to move him if you want any return at all on investment.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 22, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't feel sorry for him, either.

I will not have sympathy for someone who refuses to get treatment for mental illness. Not even making an attempt to understand what’s wrong with you, much less saying you won’t seek treatment is stupid. Thank god he’s not bipolar.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 22, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not that he's avoiding treatment.

It seems more like the Tigers doctors diagnosed him to stash him on the DL, left it at that, and then didn’t explain it any further to him. Read the article perhaps?

by dtro on Feb 22, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Read it multiple times.

I still don’t see anything that suggests the Tigers doctors gave a psychiatric diagnosis just to put him on the DL. It reads to me like he takes the suggestion that he might need to see a psychiatrist/psychologist as an implication he’s crazy. There’s still a stigma about mental illness, more so in certain parts of the country and in certain communities. Not to mention that pro athletes tend to have a less-than enlightened view of mental illness.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 22, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I think a lot of his "medical problems" are B.S.

I’m not the type of person to ignore the existence of low-key mental illnesses. My mother has suffered from clinical depression for years, so I know first hand some of the shit that life hands people who have such problems firsthand.

Now, I’m not his doctor or anything, nor am I a doctor, but in Willis’ case, I find his blanket “anxiety disorder” somewhat suspicious. If you presuppose that he didn’t ‘magically’ develop the illness during his last year in Florida and the Winter he was traded to Detroit, he would have been dealing with it while with the Marlins. I’d posit that, the pressure was greater on Willis with the Marlins than with the Tigers, and as I understand them, most mental illnesses aren’t things that just randomly spring up, like colds. Add to the fact that he doesn’t know much about his medical problem, nor does he take any medicines for his medical problem, and all of that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I’m not conspiratorially minded by any means, but something here just isn’t adding up. Compare to, say, Joey Votto, who also had legitimate mental health-related issues this season.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 22, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoops. Forgot to say.

In Willis case, I think that medical problems are something of a cover for whatever his problems really are, be they misdiagnosed physical injury, mechanical problem, simple wear-and-tear on his arm at such a young age, whatever…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 22, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not impossible

that a low-grad anxiety disorder could have gotten worse in a short period of time due to a quick change of life circumstances (trade to Detroit, new found wealth, etc.). But, yeah, the way he talks about the stuff in the article makes it sound like the Tigers’ medical staff came up with some b.s. so that they could put him on the DL. Perhaps the Mets can do the same with Ollie if we get a repeat of last year.

by dtro on Feb 22, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Are we sure they didn't do the same early in the season

I remember they sent him down with some mysterious leg problem.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 22, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that was a legit problem.

He was throwing 88 MPH fastballs before that, and then when he came back, 92, 93. Might have been some cover for something else, but there was a clear difference between before and after, velocity-wise, whatever it was.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 22, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm
Now, I’m not his doctor or anything

I just play one on the internet….

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Feb 22, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

What I learned today

Thole is pronounced “Toe-lee”.

by SoCal Metfan on Feb 22, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

I thought it was "Toe-lay"

and I used to think it rhymed with pole.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Feb 22, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You would think Ollie learned his lesson from last year

Don’t get me wrong, I’m very happy he came into camp in shape. But, to me, I would think that he would take the mind set that he must get into a routine of taking every drill seriously because it will pay off during the season …. especially after what happened last season.

Because if he starts screwing up early, the fans will be all over him.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Feb 22, 2010 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

Ollie sucks

the guy just doesn’t seem cut out for the Major Leagues. With all the bitching about the Castillo & Cora contracts & the inevitability of the 15 year Francoeur extension, it almost seems like we’ve forgotten how god-awful that Ollie contract was. In a way, I’m rooting for Ollie to go out there and prove it to be the worst contract in baseball history – 2 or 3 epic shellings, then the Mets just bite the bullet and get rid of him forever. I’m sick of him and Spring Training hasn’t even really begun.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Feb 22, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The flaw in Ollies delivery when he's off is so painfully obvious

that I can’t understand why they havent been able to fix it. When he’s on, he comes straight down over his front foot and drive the ball to the plate. When he’s off he falls towards first base and flings the ball across his body. Watch every good and bad start by him and you’ll see he breaks down as soon as he starts doing it. It drives me nuts that i can see that from my couch and they can’t seem to notice it from the dugout and video.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 22, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I'm venturing into psycho-analysis here

but I really believe that when a flaw is that obvious and fixable, the blame has to go to the player, not the coaching staff. I just get the sense that Ollie doesn’t really care enough or is just too batty to fix it for good. Maybe they just need to get him some adderol or something.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Feb 22, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think ollie doesn't care

I think he gets into trouble and thinks he has to “dig deep” to throw harder, and puts his entire body weight into the pitch in a more violent motion. He probably gets a few more MPH out of this delivery at the cost of accuracy. I think he needs a bit more confidence in his ability as a pitcher instead of a thrower and we’d see this second “bad” delivery disappear for the most part. I think if Warthen took the time to point it out to him, and slowed Ollie down a bit, he’d be a much better pitcher.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 22, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I've read coaches and others on the team

I forget who exactly, but more than one, saying that Ollie won’t listen. I’m sure they point it out and drill and drill and drill, but he gets frustrated and wants to do what he wants to do, so he does what he wants to do.

In fact, that may have been part of the reason they got rid of Peterson, because Ollie just hated his style – do it my way – and they couldn’t communicate so they could make no progress at all.

They need an Ollie whisperer.

by SuperT on Feb 22, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I also thought it was obvious.

I also can’t think of another pitcher for whom such an obvious mechanical issue is handled this badly. last season I think there were legit injuries, but two seasons ago, I could always find the point in the 5th or 6th inning where his elbow and shoulder dropped and his pitches started sailing wide. If he was taken out as soon as that happened, three good things would have happened:
1. We would have gotten 3-6 great innings out of him in the majority of starts, which is really great with a more flexible (or well handled) bullpen,
2. He would have the reputation of a glorified long reliever and would have been less expensive, and
3. He would have started to learn from his mistakes. I think he really wants to compete, and if the staff made it clear to him what he was doing wrong, I think it would have been feasible for him to correct him.

I still think he can be a good pitcher, but he needs to be handled right.

by djg2111 on Feb 22, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, good ollie isn't lost to us

but they need to get him a bit more comfortable with his ability. He’s a good pitcher until he gets flustered and then he tries to make up for mistakes by throwing hard. If he stuck to his game plan, he’d be the starter we see flashes of from time to time.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 22, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

KM,

I completely agree about Ollie’s mechanics. They are sometimes so consistently off its like he is trying to invent a new pitching philosophy. It was clear in the Rubin video the other day that his front foot was opening up and he is throwing across his body. It drives me crazy to watch him because I know high school kids that have much better mechanics then Ollie.

by Delgado on Feb 22, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is why I think he would benefit from being taken out as soon as his mechanics get knocked off.

I think it would make it more obvious to him what he is doing wrong. I also think he is the perfect candidate for a paired starter rotation where he gets paired with another 4-6 inning starter and each of them are told that they are only expected to go 4 strong.

by djg2111 on Feb 22, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

so essentially have a starter and long reliever

who combine to pitch most of a game once a week? It’s an interesting way to use some of our guys who are less effective once they’ve been through the lineup a couple times. See 4 from Ollie, 4 from Misch, then close it out if necessary. Pulling him as soon as his mechanics get knocked off might make it hard for him to learn to recognize when he’s doing it wrong and then figure out how to get back on track. That strategy would essentially concede the fact that once he gets off his mechanics he’ll never find his way back.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 22, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Well for now, we've seen that to be true.

Once his mechanics collapse, I can’t recall him ever pulling it back together. In terms of general strategy, every season there are a bunch of effective “starters” left on the market who don’t get signed because they are seen as 4-5 inning pitchers. Combine one of those guys with Ollie, and you get a strong 9 innings once every 5 games, and you get two guys who have enough left to relieve for two innings on their throw days.
It’s not going to happen with this management regime, but I think its one of the next steps in baseball strategies. The only problem is that the pitchers will be pissed at the lack of wins and saves available (although I would think there would be a bunch of 5 inning wins for the front end and 3 inning saves for the back end, plus vulture wins on throw days).

by djg2111 on Feb 22, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd like to see that strategy

the only downside to it is you need two pitchers who can consistently pitch well every time for 4-5 innings, one of which being able to do it out of the pen. It would take careful planning to pick the right combos to maximize the likelihood they’re both successful, and that their pitching styles differ drastically enough to change the look batters are getting halfway through (can’t have two right handed 3/4 arm fastballers back to back)

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 22, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

In other words,

in their combined games you project these guys to throw 162 innings apiece, then two innings each on their throw days? That’s another 66 innings, or a total of 228 innings each.

Very cool. You could go with an 8 or 9 man pitching staff and carry some sprinter as your 25th man/pinch runner deluxe.

by SeanSchirmer on Feb 23, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I also think that Ollie would start to realize that he won't be allowed to pitch as his max effort self

and would start to adjust over time. By letting him pitch with his mechanics out of whack, we’re telling him that he can pitch like that if he gets results.

by djg2111 on Feb 22, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

we're definitely reinforcing it by letting him pitch unchecked

i think we need a catcher who can go out and let him know as soon as he starts doing it, kind of warn him to get back to his proper mechanics, if he’s warned a couple of times and keeps doing it, then pull him, but let him know immediately that he’s doing it, let him know he’s on a short leash if he doesn’t stop, and then give him a little time to try to adjust, otherwise he’ll never learn to get back in rythm in game.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 22, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard Eddie C on the FAN

say that the team was pleased that Ollie’s delivery has been very consistent (so far) and that he’s landing on the same spot after every pitch.

It’s just that how long can he keep his focus? When will he have that next mental lapse? He seems so prone to it. Can’t they give him some ginseng or something?

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by The Glider on Feb 22, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds exhausting

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 23, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nah, basic Cartesian metaphysics, to a degree.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 23, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Phillies fans..

They’re already coming and Accusing David Wright of using Steroids. He does like absolutely huge, but most people do in a muscle shirt.

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by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 22, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

Don't even get me started.

It’s called lifting weights, people. Some hard working athletes ACTUALLY do that. They’re just jealous because now he’s a beast at baseball, gorgeous, and buff. You all know you’re thinking that.

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Feb 22, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

well for what it's worth

it’s likely an athlete has maxed out his frame by mid 20s, at least one that’s already hitting the weights/working out regularly, and lifting weights wouldn’t increase their bulk much.

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by Gina on Feb 22, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

eh...

that totally depends on a lot of factors. Especially the type of work out routines an athlete was doing, his post 30 testosterone boost, how much his metabolism is slowing etc and so forth.

I’m a big MMA guy and see athletes and training partners change their physiques all the time with new work out routines. Switching to olympic lifts will completely change your physique in a relatively short period of time.

I didn’t read Wrights new routine though to see if that’s what he did, but I will shortly.

by Mike Clemente on Feb 22, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

On top of that, people seem to ignore the possibility of Creatine in these situations.

It’s easy to put on 15-20 pounds in four months taking Creatine with a good weight lifting routine, even if you’ve been a lifter for a while.

by SeanSchirmer on Feb 23, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah but why bother

the bulk put on by using creatine is by and large totally useless. It isn’t functional muscle, its just bulk.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 23, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

To get girls?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 23, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

ok let me re-prase

why would a baseball player do it?

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 23, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

but baseball players don't get paid more to look jacked

they need actual strength in order to hit the long ball, which is, if my anonymous sources are correct, what chicks dig. Creatine does nothing to increase strength, just muscle volume via water retention. Therefore why would a baseball player use it?

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 24, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah?

Who’s your anonymous source?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 24, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Does he really look bigger?

Or does he just look more ripped/veiny?

To my eyes, it’s the latter.

by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 22, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

reply fail...see below

he looked thicker to me, especially in the arms and chest…but i’m not in the habit of studying david wright’s body – so really i have no idea

by Mike Clemente on Feb 22, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think his biceps are a bit bigger, and his fat must be down to nothing

Next to this pic, Beltran’s pics from today make him look like the pillsbury doughboy. Not that I don’t continue to love me some Carlos.

by SuperT on Feb 22, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, I think more than anything his body fat is way down

and he put on a little more muscle, but mostly it just shows through more.

by KeithsMoustache on Feb 22, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

aka

the frenchy method

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 23, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand that was for arguements sake

But do you honestly believe he’d ever do steroids? I mean I know he didn’t get his 33 home runs, but do you seriously believe he would? Despite my obsession with him I find it hard to believe.

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Feb 22, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh no I don't believe he's doing steroids

I doubt anyone would do roids at this point for 1. it would just be stupid for 2. there’s likely been enough advancements that better more effective and safer supplements are available.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 22, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, me too, anyone with a brain can find better ways now

But, wrightgirl, one of life’s great lessons is not to place undue faith in anybody you don’t actually know. Because if you do, life will be happy to kick the shit out of you for it.

by SuperT on Feb 22, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope he's doing steroids

I’d sign up for a 50 homer season from Wright. Hell, I hope the whole team is doing steroids. Nobody could ever say they don’t want to do what is necessary to win again.

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by cjmulrain on Feb 22, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

I hope all of my favorite players from the last two decades did steroids – otherwise they weren’t giving their all for the team.

by djg2111 on Feb 22, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait

You mean the same phillie phans that were outraged that anyone would even suggest that a certain 37 year old outfielder having one of the best seasons of his career had “a little help”? Those phillie phans?

by blains2000 on Feb 22, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Obviously, since we're in an era where pitchers don't regularly throw so many innings,

Halladay has been dipping into the HGH a little to bolster his stamina a bit.

What stupid logic…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 22, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

he looked thicker to me, especially in the arms and chest…but i’m not in the habit of studying david wright’s body – so really i have no idea

by Mike Clemente on Feb 22, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Imagine if we had only signed Wang

Wang and Dickey…imagine the jokes

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Feb 22, 2010 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

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