Ken Rosenthal's Wacky Realignment
I saw that he put the Mets in the AL East (err, AL "Atlantic") with the Yankees and moved the Red Sox to the NL East and I realized that, if this ever happened, I might stop watching baseball in protest.
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Dumb idea. Putting the Mets and Yankees in one division together is just silly.
If anything, MLB needs to have four divisions per League and eliminate the dang Wild Card. Also it would be cool to have expansion teams in Mexico City and Havana.
Grission and Husart - that is either the non-union Mexican equivelant of "Starsky and Hutch" or the key to winning the World Series.
Cuba is probably out of the question, because of diplomatic ties and everything.
Mexico City, that’d be interesting, since we already have a Canadian team.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 26, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
San Juan seems like a natural first step.
Can you imagine the band box that Mexico City would be though?
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 26, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was thinking that Puerto Rico deserves a team.
But, that’s some trip, flying to Puerto Rico. Looking at a map, Mexico City is probably closer (though, that all depends on where exactly you are. Puerto Rico is closer to the Blue Jays, because they’re both on the eastern side of the continent). On the flip side, Puerto Rico is part of the U.S., so no one would have to deal with Customs, etc.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 26, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
It's certainly a trip, but it really isn't that much longer than most that it becomes unreasonable.
I’m sure west coast teams would get the extra travel day when they go there, and east coast teams really don’t have to deal with any sort of time zone issues. San Juan would be a good place to make sure that teams have day games on travel days though.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 26, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I like the idea of adding two more teams and having four divisions per league
or, cutting teams and going back to two divisions. Unless they balance the schedule and eliminate interleague, I hate the wild card.
2009 Did Not Happen
I agree with you about interleague, but why the wildcard?
Coming this April, fun times with Jeff and Gary!
the teams play unbalanced schedules
the Mets play the Yankees 6 times, the Phillies, Braves, and Marlins 18 times. Another team (say, the Cardinals) play the Royals 6 times, and play a heavier slate of games against the Brewers, Reds, Pirates, Astros, and Cubs. In any given year, that could give one team a humongous advantage.
Teams that are competing with each other for playoff spots should play the same schedule.
2009 Did Not Happen
The wildcard is needed
having four divisions would mean the division winners would be in the playoffs, not the best teams. For a few years the Red Sox and Yankees had the two best records in the AL, if we went to four divisions, that would mean three inferior teams would have been in the playoffs. I think it should all be wild card. The four best teams from each league get in. There’s no reason the Cardinals should have even made the playoffs in 2006 let alone win the world series with 83 wins.
And I love interleague as well.
I would love to play every AL team for one series a season. The only thing I hate about interleague is the DH. AL vs. NL games should never have a DH, it’s an unfair advantage for the AL team.
I wouldn't be opposed to just letting the top 4 teams in
in fact, that would probably be my top choice – elimination of divisions. But I don’t think that’s ever going to happen, and as long as there’s an unbalanced schedule, you shouldn’t go by best records, b/c those aren’t necessarily best teams.
2009 Did Not Happen
I'm not in favor of alignment. Things have been this way since I can remember watching baseball.
That said, I’ve seen some good plans out there. This is not one of them.
Dodgers and Giants in the AL? The Dodgers and Giants are two of the most storied teams in the NL.
The Mets in the AL? WTF?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 26, 2010 1:25 PM EST reply actions
I still think that either MLB should add two AL teams or shift the Astros to the AL West.
Even if that meant we have inter league year round, I think it would be better with two balanced leagues.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 26, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions
I've felt, for some time, that the Astros should move to the NL West
and the Diamondbacks to the AL. If MLB could create an expansion team for the NL Central (San Juan, New Orleans), I also be in favor of the Pirates coming back to the East.
The Nats AND Pirates in the NL East!?
I lobby that!
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 27, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats what you say now
in 3 years when they’re both power houses and creaming us multiple times a year you won’t be.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
The Nats, yes. The Bucs, no.
The Nats, give them a few years, and I think they’ll be a bit dangerous. The Pirates, no. They’ve been in the process of rebuilding for decades now. Saying that, in a few years, they’ll get their shit together means nothing, and is unlikely, given that, for almost two decades now, they’ve been trying to get their shit together.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 28, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but they have an entirely new braintrust now
One that actually seems to have a concrete plan and has been acquiring undervalued talent at insane rates, their trades last off-season were insane. There’s absolutely zero reason to think it’s unlikely, considering the current front office has nothing to do with past front offices.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
In the past 20+/- years,
they’ve had 4 different GMs (Simmons, Bonifay, Littlefield and Huntington), and three different ownership groups (Pittsburgh Associates, McClatchy and Nutting). I want to assume (in business, with all kinds of fucked up corrupt people) that none of these GMs or ownership groups went in wanting to come out losers, and, at one point or another, they all thought they were turning the team around. Some, obviously, came closer than others, at certain points. I don’t follow the Pirates any more than generic ESPN headlines and the stray article or two, but nothing they’ve been doing necessarily seems concrete to build a good, competitive team that a past GM hasn’t done before. The last guy, Littlefield, put together a team that had a bunch of good-to-decent guys (Jason Bay, Jack Wilson, Freddy Sanchez, Adam LaRoche, Ryan Doumit, “the good Ollie”, Matt Capps, and a few others I’m missing, I’m sure), and still went nowhere, so…Until it actually happens, count me as a pessimist.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 1, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah bt there's a difference between thinking you're doing good
and actually having a progressive working model. Dayton Moore and Bavasi both think/thought they’re doing good but its pretty clear to everyone else in the world they’re not. Putting together good to decent guys isn’t really doing much, the current gm has acquired underrated prospects for overvalued talent and found a bunch of high upside players to surroud with league average/high floor talent. Obviously it could still all go bust but for the first time in a long long time they actually seem to be making moves with a long term goal, and doing it from a solid foundation.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
And in 10 years when they implement a salary cap
and we have to compete with the Pirates, Braves and Marlins with an incompetent front office and equal resources we’ll all be crying ourselves to sleep.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Agreed.
Hell, the team would be better because of it (an extra bat), but I’d just puke.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 26, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I just can't see the DH being removed without the players getting some major concessions.
As much as I hate to say it, I think it’s far more likely that the DH ends up in the NL than the DH gets eliminated.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 26, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Definitley.
How many careers have been extended because of the DH? Or, how many sub-par players have gotten a chance, period, because of the DH position, and the subsequent disappearance of defense from their game? Hundreds, I’d bet.
And, sadly, there are plenty of fans out there who like the DH…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 26, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think the additional regular spot in the lineup likely helps more players get paid well also.
I have a feeling that will eventually become a concession in the NL because of that.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 26, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I like slugfests
I don’t like the idea of a DH though
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
Blech. Give me an awesome 1-0 pitcher's duel any day of the week.
Especially if they’re good pitchers, and the score isn’t 1-0 because the Mets are facing Jeff Suppan, and Brian Lawrence is channeling his inner Bob Gibson.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 27, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you there
I think that would be a general concensus among NL fans though, espescially NL fans in markets that have both NL and AL baseball to chose from.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 27, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
That would be an intersting study though.
I bet if you polled a bunch of Mets and Cubs fans you’d see more in favor of pitchers duels than you would with Phillies and Braves fans. I’d be curious to see what the results showed.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 27, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone subscribed to other SBNation blog sites, and willing to whore themselves around?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 27, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone really choose to be a mets fan though?
Like unless they happened to become fans in the like 1.5 year window every decade where the mets look like they might have a better future than the Yankees how many people who actually have no other reasons to choose one team over the other are like well hell why not the Mets.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I've always thought 3-4 would be the perfect baseball game.
2-3 would be good as well.
Lets just make it like the NBA
and let everyone get it
but really rather than realigning the division they should focus on rebalancing revenue sharing/lt calculations. Like 15-20 years ago Baltimore and Toronto were both considered mega market teams themselves, it doesn’t make sense to completely realign divisions just because that’s changed, when it could easily change again in the future. Baltimore is still a huge market and as long as they can get competitive faster then the Nationals they’re revenue will rebound, obviously not to Yankee levels but high enough that they’re not going to be at some impossible financial disadvantage. The problem with MLB, and the NBA, at least in my opinion, is that the commissioners seem to work for the interest of the owners rather than the interest of the credibility of the league itself.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
That's something I've never got.
The Player’s Union, fights for the players, the Owners, fight for the power of the teams. The MLB officials- Comissioner’s Office, I guess- should be “wild cards”, so to speak. They support for whatever is best for the game, and both sides try to lobby on whatever particular issue.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 26, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Do the players hire the commissioner?
The owners hire the commissioner. Last commmish who didn’t act that way was Fay Vincent, and he was shown the door. Nuf said.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Toronto is still a mega market team.
They are the largest city in all of MLB that doesn’t have a 2nd franchise. It blows my mind that they can’t drum up more interest for the sport there, as they should be able to compete on playing field with the Sox and Yankees fanbase-wise.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 26, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know much about their revenue in the 90s
since I was like 4, but maybe people just aren’t that interested in baseball? I mean the US is a mega market but we can barely drum up interest for soccer, and to a lesser extent the NHL.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
In the early 90's they were regularly the top home draw in the majors.
I’m not 100% certain, but I believe they were the first team to draw 4 million fans in the course of a season. Somewhere in the late 90’s attendance fell off a cliff, probably when the novelty of skydome wore off and they realized it kinda sucked. It always used to be a great baseball city, not just a good one.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 26, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
The playoffs is one of the reasons I can't stand the NBA
The regular season is pretty much meaningless, and the playoffs take forever. Why does the best team have to play two pretty bad teams before they play anyone of significance?
I don't know I've never understood
As if having a absurdly long season isn’t bad enough, they have to compound it by making the play-offs 4 rounds of 7 game series? It’s just ridiculous I don’t understand how anyone could have agreed it was a good idea.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Yeah but at some point there's overexposure
Even if they’re making money now you’d have to think in the long run fans are just going to stop caring, when series that are completely uncompetitive to begin with take weeks to end and teams can be mediocre the entire regular season and still get in, it doesn’t really help the credibility of the sport or the product on the floor. I can’t imagine in the long run it’s in the best interest of the sport. I mean if let all the teams get in and make the play-offs insanely long and turn huge profits was as simple as that you’d think other sports leagues would be following suit, where a the opposite seems to be true.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
K.R. needs a goegraphy lesson
The Brewers, Cubs, White Sox, and Blue Jays are more “Great Lakes” teams than most of the Great Lakes division.
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