All-Time Most Hated Mets
Inspired by this deliciously satisfying idea over at Gaslamp Ball, I've decided to channel my inner bitter Mets fan and list my all-time most hated Mets, by position. Pessimism seems to be the theme of this offseason so I figure why not. And I mean, we've all got those players that for whatever reason we just really don't like, whether they never lived up to the hype, blew it in the clutch or just plain sucked. So here are mine:
1B: Mike Jacobs - I know everyone will want to go Mo Vaughn here but Mo actually seemed like a genuinely good dude. Jacobs seems like a straight up dick, not so much in his time as a Met, but as a Marlin Jacobs was one of the biggest douchebags you could find. It was incredible, no matter how pathetic his performance on the field the guy would never shut his mouth and he was ALWAYS in the middle of those late-September skirmishes. I really don't like him, I'm not happy we brought him back and needless to say I'm rooting for Chris Carter this spring.
2B: Roberto Alomar - I hate to say it because growing up I absolutely loved him as a Blue Jay and I was even able to overlook the whole spitting thing but inexplicably dropping nearly 100 On-Base points in just 1 season? I just don't think I'll ever be able to forgive that. Honorable Mention goes to Miguel Cairo here.
SS: Mike Bordick - For 192 mediocre, at best, ab's we gave up a young Melvin Mora who went on to give the O's a half dozen cheap, effective seasons highlighted by WAR's in the mid 4's and even a 6.3 in '04. I know I can't blame him for the trade but I don't care, plus he ruined my fantasy team too so this is personal. For the record, Anderson Hernandez is charging up this list...
3B: Jeff Kent - Not much explanation needed here, the guy was an alltime a-hole no matter where he played.
C: Brian Schneider - It's not so much that I didn't like him, he seems like a nice guy but he was just so damn worthless.
OF: Roger Cedeno - Maybe if I hadn't had to listen to my Phillies fan friends rag on this guy for years I wouldn't hate him so much. Or maybe it's because he couldn't hit like a right fielder at all, for someone so fast played infuriatingly bad defense in center all over, could barely keep his OBP above .300, STILL acted like he was the best player on the team and ALWAYS showed up to ST out of shape.
P: Kenny Rogers - No doubt on this one. I disliked a lot of guys who threw for us, I was present for Glavine's final disastrous middle finger to Mets fans as well as the final time Victor Zambrano walked off the mound holding his arm (for the Mets at least), but nothing will ever compare to Kenny Rogers cutting short that magical playoff run that was shaping up to be the greatest comeback ever, 4 years before the Sox did it. I still have a hard time thinking about that...
Manager: Jerry Manuel - Yes, Jerry has managed to top Howe because beyond a seeming inability to think critically about baseball strategy, beyond the fact that he handles the bullpen about as well as an infant, I hate HATE the way he handles the media. It isn't so much the joking around like a dope and the fact that he never actually says anything, it's the constant messages he's trying to send to players through beat writers and reporters. Grow a set and learn to scream at someone once in a while.
So those are mine. Obviously they're pretty slanted to the late-90's and beyond because those are the teams I grew up with. I'm sure there are some guys who deserve to be here who I left out so feel free to let that hate out.
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eh
only ones i dislike on this list are manuel, rogers, and alomar.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Wow, you must be really young.
None of these guys dates back more than 10 years or so. Rest assured, the Mets have had plenty of candidates for this list between 1962 and 2000 (e.g., Dave Kingman, Vince Coleman).
Also, what’s the standard here? Are they supposed to be bad players, bad human beings, or some combination thereof?
doesn't matter the reason
just so long as you didn’t like them. maybe they just rubbed you the wrong way. i mean someone below hates keith so obviously this isn’t all about performance.
although i didn’t feel that way, that there were dozens of choices. i actually looked over the alltime roster and felt we’ve mostly had pretty likeable guys. a lot of lovable loser types and then just guys i liked because they were mets who i probably wouldn’t have otherwise.
oh, for the record i’m 24.
by Rob Castellano on Feb 27, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Richie Hebner, too, no?
Before my time, but older friends and family have rolled their eyes a LOT when talking about the Gravedigger.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 27, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Would your opinion change...
… if you knew that the kitten was a particularly vicious cat serial-killer?
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 27, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Good point.
It’s really hard to rehabilitate those cases.
by pologroundling on Feb 28, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Sadly, I think that story was debunked
I mean, I’m glad he didn’t kill a cat, but I’m sad because it was a really good story
I don't know...I can't "field" an entire team that I hate
First Base: Keith Hernandez
Left Field: George Foster
Pitching Staff: Victor Zambrano, Shawn Estes
…
That’s really all I’ve got.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 27, 2010 1:58 PM EST reply actions
With a passion.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 27, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'll elaborate, because I know I'll be asked to.
Keith himself shoulders a lot of the blame, but I’ll address something he had no control over, first, something that I can’t stand sometimes: the constant fan love that he gets, with people calling for his number to be retired, and things of that nature. I’m going to just copy and paste a response that I posted elsewhere, regarding the prospects of Keith Hernandez having his number retired, to save me the time: “I completely disagree with any such calls because he was with the team for only a few years (four full years, and three that were about half length due to either injury limiting his playing time, or because he was just traded here), and in those years, had ‘great’ offensive numbers only three times. Defensively, he was sound, but defensive superiority only goes so far- there’s no talk of Rey Ordonez getting any accolades like that (though, admittedly he was a much inferior hitter). The way that the organization handles retiring numbers- being very, very conservative- is fine. I know I for one don’t want any Moe, Larry, or Curly having their number retired. I like the Red Sox approach, a club that’s been around for years, but only has a handful of retired numbers. It’s a very special thing, to have your number retired, and only the cream of the crop deserve the honor. In front of Hernandez, both Jerry Koosman and Mike Piazza are more deserving of the honor (with the latter probably having his number retired in the near future, most likely).”
Regarding Hernandez himself, his (early SNY career, primarily) constant waxing poetic vis-a-vis the Cardinals was always annoying. I know I might be in the minority, but I also find his…“inability” to stay focused on the game somewhat annoying. Gary, I like basically all aspects of his broadcasting. Ron, I also like his style and approach a lot. Keith, he’s certainly the least cerebral of the group, and sometimes his “stooge” approach to broadcasting gets to me. Most of the time, I don’t want to hear about his tootsie rolls, or ice cream, or whatever food he’s eating, or wants to eat. And, that’s not to mention all of the stupid things he’s said or done on air, including, but not limited to the “women don’t belong in the dugout” debacle, his problems with Jose Reyes “I would straighten out Jose Reyes”, his problems with Mike Piazza (‘[Keith] is an old, jealous dinosaur, paraphrasing’), the constant, “Things were better in my day”…
In a few sources, primarily his own biography, as well as Amazin’, Darryl cites Hernandez as a negative factor in his game, and the relations between him and Davey Johnson, and him and Frank Cashen. More significantly, the friction caused between Hernandez riding Strawberry’s proverbial ass can be seen as a contributing factor for Strawberry opting to leave New York in 1991(though Keith was already gone, at that point) for Los Angeles (asides for the fact that the Dodgers were willing to give him more money).
Most outrageous, though, was Keith’s role in denying Darryl Strawberry the 1988 MVP award. As we all know, Keith “campaigned” for McReynolds to win. This, of course, was one of a few factors that caused Strawberry and McReynolds to split many votes, giving Gibson the narrow window he needed to eek into first place, despite having inferior numbers to Strawberry nearly across the board.
So, that’s about it all in a nutshell.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 27, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I agree completely about Keith as a broadcaster
He kind of drives me nuts with all the random crap he spews on the air. And I think a lot of fans who wouldn’t like the same approach from anyone else cut him slack because he’s Keith. But I was crazy about him as a ballplayer and I still remember his on-field days fondly.
A fair and measured explanation
I can see how some might not like his announcing but I love it. Baseball is supposed to be fun and I like the balance he brings to Gary and Ron’s more serious approach. Plus the Seinfeld episodes he appeared in are my personal favorites, and that’s my favorite show ever.
I’ve seen the 1988 debate posted in a few places and it always seems like Met fans claim Gibson somehow robbed Straw or McReynolds of the award. I was alive but don’t recall the season so all I have is numbers:
Gibson: 7.3 WAR, 156 wRC+
Straw: 5.9 WAR, 159 wRC+
McReynolds: 4.7 WAR, 149 wRC+
(all played about 150 games)
Both teams made the playoffs so that’s a wash. The Mets as a team had a .322 wOBA, while the Dodgers’ was .295. Seems like Gibson was deserving.
by James Kannengieser on Feb 27, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Two things:
(A) Revisionist history. Say something enough, and it’ll become true. Ask anyone in the tristate area with some knowledge about baseball during the era, and everyone will probably say that Strawberry was robbed, because everyone has been saying that for twenty something years now.
(B) Since when have actual stats had much to do with how the BBWAA voted? I mean…I’m sure you know.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 28, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don't get this comment
Do you agree that Strawberry was robbed? Do you think he deserved the award?
The BBWAA Awards voting is embarrassing but in this case they got it right, no matter their voting standards. Gibson was indeed more valuable than both Straw and McReynolds. I don’t see the problem here.
by James Kannengieser on Feb 28, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Did he deserve the award? Yeah. Did other people deserve it, though? Yeah.
If McReynolds hadn’t gotten as many votes as he did, Strawberry would have probably taken home the hardware.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 1, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
i wish strawberry did get it
and yeah, he did deserve something but those statistics don’t lie, if he had gotten it the writers would have made a mistake.
by Rob Castellano on Mar 1, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
One time for clarity
The MVP Award goes to one player. Voters can only list one player as their #1 choice. Based on this, and all we know now, who would your #1 choice be?
If Strawberry had taken home the hardware it would have been at the expense of a more deserving player (Gibson), who in fact did not have inferior numbers across the board.
by James Kannengieser on Mar 1, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
The major difference in their WAR values that season came from their totalzone ratings.
Straw was a -6 while Gibson was a +7. It may be just my memory, but it seemed that Strawberry had a really good reputation defensively with the traditional scouts at that time and Gibson was thought to be a defensive liability (which was why he got moved to left in 1987). Their bats had virtually the same value that season, so it really would be hard to say in 1988 that Gibson was the more deserving player (for voters at that time) regardless of what we see in retrospect.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 1, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn't asking your input, but sure
Also check out the difference in value of baserunning, gidp and roe for the 2 players:
Gibson: +8
Strawberry: 0
And considering my question included the phrase “based on all we know now”, I wasn’t asking about voters back then, but rather if Strawberry deserved it over Gibson in retrospect.
by James Kannengieser on Mar 1, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I completely agree that given what we know now Gibson is the choice.
In 1988 however, I feel Strawberry was the correct choice for the BBWAA based on the evidence the voters had at the time. Given that I can definitely understand how people could feel that Keith helped to force the 1988 MVP vote to go to the less deserving player.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 1, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I would have voted for Strawberry
because I am a unabashed homer Mets fan that dislikes Gibson, both because of what he did against the Mets in the NLCS, the fact that he looks/ed goofy.
Gibson, having seen how his defensive numbers made up for his inferior offensive numbers, I have less of a bad taste in my mouth with him winning the award. I still don’t like him, and would rather of had Strawberry win it, but that is what it is. Him, Strawberry, and of the players who ended up in the top of the balloting, the case can be made that any of them can deserve the award, being that you don’t have to stretch their numbers to demonstrate that they were among the best players in baseball. It happens all the time, that player’s who are statistically the best don’t win the award- DiMaggio with his 9.4 WAR won in 1941 over Williams and his 11.3 WAR. Rollins with his 6.7 WAR in 2007 over Wright and his 8.4, Pujols with his 7.8, and a few other players. Clemente’s 7.3 WAR over Koufax’s 10.8.
If McReynolds hadn’t recieved so many ballots, the most likely scenario would have been BBWAA writers casting their votes for Strawberry instead. Strawberry, then, would have likely received more votes than Gibson, and would have probably won. His total WAR wasn’t as good as Gibsons, because of his defensive inferiority not making up for his offensive superiority, but I wouldn’t exactly be shedding tears.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 1, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
It will be interesting to see what this same debate would look like in 21 years.
By that time I’m sure that we’ll be laughing that we were using TZ numbers at any point to settle the difference between the two players, and that is essentially the entire difference in their values at this point.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 1, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
We'll be laughing that, once upon a time, Human beings played baseball instead of robots.
As we plug in, a la The Maxtrix, to computer consoles in the bottom level of the domicile of our female parental unit, to lobby our complaints on the ultranet- like the internet, but better and more futuristic.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 1, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I've been
watching the Mets since ‘72 and this is the first time I’ve heard about Keith campaigning for McReynolds. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, just that I’ve never heard of it until now.
He was a boy of soft demeanor
And he loved his caburetor cleaner
Like I mentioned, it's taked about in 'Straw', and 'Amazin'.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 1, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
I'll give you the "it was better in my day" stuff
Keith goes on and on and on about the players today. How they don’t have good fundamentals; how they don’t run the bases well; how they don’t know how to drive in runs, and so on. Ron is sometimes guilty of this too, and at one point during last year’s broadcast, Ron goes, “I know we must seem like a couple of old, bitter dinosaurs complaining about today’s game, but…” The game, inevitably, changes. Keith seems to latch on to his glory days more than other former players, but I don’t really blame him. I still love him as a broadcaster, but I could do without the contemporary complaints.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
Keith
Didn’t force the Cocaine up Straw’s nose.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 28, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, he was busy putting it up his own nose.
But, of course, coke use had nothing to do with the friction between Darryl and Keith (that we know of, that either admit to), so…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 1, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Takes cajones to make this statement
But you backed it with alot of good points. I still love Keith, but i see where he rubs your chaps the wrong way.
Man. REALLY?
“Not caring for” Keith, I understanding. “Kind of a dick” is a fair evaluation. But HATE?
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 27, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
In this context, they're all synonyms.
You think anyone has separate lists of Mets they didn’t really care for, Mets who were kind of dicks, and Mets who they hate? I’ll give you the first one, maybe. But, to be Glavinish for a second, I don’t think that anyone genuinely “hates” the various players they are listing. If Keith Hernandez was dying of thirst, would I give him water? Sure. If Kenny Rogers was choking, I’d bet that Rob would do what he could to stop the man from dying. Braden Looper has a bad rep here, but I don’t think that you’d be happy if he was brutally murdered. Scott Schoenweis is a great example- plenty of people “hated” him, but when he actually had a personal tragedy, 99.9% of everyone was pulling for him, and wishing him the best. “Hate”, in this context, is really just a figure of speech.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 27, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
They're alike, but not synonyms...
… and I do understand the concept of figures-of-speech. (I mean, come on.)
I can see where you’re coming from, though re: Mex (I posted just before you slapped your explanation up there). The perpetual 6-8-year-old wannabe first baseman in me just can’t agree.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 27, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Can't really make a whole team but here are some
Marlon Anderson, Roberto Alomar, Lance Broadway (if those allegations about beating the crap out of that guy are true), Jorge Julio, Paul Lo Duca, Jeremy Reed.
That’s about it really. I always seem to like most Mets players just because they’re Mets. I don’t even hate Kenny Rogers.
by James Kannengieser on Feb 27, 2010 2:09 PM EST reply actions
Mike Bordick was an excellent pick
But I can’t believe I’m going to be the first to mention Armando Benitez here.
I know, I came here expecting everyone to say Benitez.
I can’t really say I actually hate any Mets, but Coleman would be way up there. Not just for sucking, but mainly for the bleach and fireworks incidents.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 27, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ambiorix Burgos is pretty much on top of my list.
Vince Coleman, LoDuca, Rogers,and Dave Kingman were all pretty big doueches. I always hated Zambrano strictly because of the circumstances through which he arrived. I’ve grown to hate Lenny Dykstra even though I liked him alot in the 80’s. Jerry Manuel definitely gets to manage this bunch.
I can see Francoeur falling in the hate category in 10 years because he is the shining example of many of the issues with the Mets front office, but I still like him well enough at this point. I kind of hope he plays well this year just so that my memories of him don’t become jaded down the line.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 27, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions
Looper, anyone?
Sealed it with the postgame Reyes-parody celebration, did he not?
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 27, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions
JUAN SAMUEL?
KILLED me as a kid. That it took Lenny and Roger McDowell to bring him in trade made it hurt worse.
(Cedeno’s not a bad call for the OF, though.)
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 27, 2010 4:13 PM EST reply actions
The Davey/Straw/Mex/Doc/Kid era ended the day of that trade.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
I only moved to the US in 2003.......can I nominate Livan Hernandez?
Not only was he was terrible and old, but he also took so long to throw each of his awful pitches that each game I went to where he pitched last year seemed to last for weeks; unfortunately, it was a lot of games for those of us with Sunday season tickets. With those horrible star-free injury ravaged line-ups they were sending out last year, the last thing we needed was for them to last a second longer than necessary.
I also hated Marlon Anderson, for being paid $2M a year to battle with the Mendoza line.
How has anyone not mentioned Steve Trachsel yet?
The guy was terrible for most of his Mets career, was slow as all hell to the plate, and most of all, pulled himself out of Game 3 of the NLCS after one inning and five runs, when he knew the team’s bullpen was completely withered, and really needed at least five innings; the single most gutless performance by a starter I’ve ever seen.
Others on my list include Benitez, Billy Wagner, Heilman. and Zambrano.
Oh, and Art Howe.
I am surprised nobody said Heilman before you
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
by Bobby Baseball on Feb 28, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I actually always liked him.
He was what he was, and I don’t think Manuel and Willie really helped by trotting him out there as often as they did. Heilman wasn’t great by any stretch, but he seemed like a typical middle reliever type that was asked to be more than that.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 28, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Trachsel was pretty good for most of his Mets career
He just was the good pitcher on some bad teams. His NLCS performance was gutless, but he doesn’t inspire loathing like some others do (Tom Glavine?)
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Feb 28, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
The only thing I really loathed about the trash man is how slow he worked.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 28, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Here is my all time hated Mets team.
1b – Bobby Bonilla
2b – Luis Castillo
SS – Mike Bordick
3b – Greg Jefferies
C – Jason Phillips
LF – Kevin McReynolds
CF – Jay Payton
RF – Roger Cedeno
SP – Aaron Heilman ( I know, but he did come up as a starter)
RP – Gulliermo Mota
you know what I'm sayin' ?
forget Payton, Jason Phillips?
How could anyone possibly dislike Gogs?
Absolutely
i got sick of rooting for him to finally reach his potential, i booed him even harder when he left.
Mota.....god I hated that prick
That idiot completely changed the complexion of the NLCS when he threw the fastball to Speizio
I remember jumping for joy the day we traded him for Estrada
Yeah.....
Scene: LoDuca goes to the mound…
LoDuca: OK, you have this guy all set up. Throw him the changeup.
Mota: OK, I throw him the fastball. I feel good.
LoDuca: No, asshole….the changeup
Mota: OK, OK, I do what you say.
LoDuca goes back behind the plate, puts down the “4”.
Mota rears back and throws the fastball.
Spezio hits it out.
Here we are, 4 years later wondering why we suck.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
by fxcarden on Feb 28, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Could have been a scene from Fawlty Towers
with LoDuca as Basil and Mota as Manuel.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
by StorkFan on Feb 28, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hate
is a strong word but for the context of this post:
Mike Stanton (I think I actually hate this prick)
Tom Glavine
Vince Coleman
Gary Carter (great player; just seemed like a dick)
Greg Jeffries
Juan Samuel
Butch Huskey (probably a nice guy but man if there was ever a Mr. March Award…)
He was a boy of soft demeanor
And he loved his caburetor cleaner
how could I forget
John Franco
Mike Hampton
He was a boy of soft demeanor
And he loved his caburetor cleaner
!
How can you hate John Franco, who is John Franco, and Mike Hampton, who gave us David Wright?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 28, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I don't care for John Franco that much
But I wouldn’t put him on a hate list. More like neutral I guess. Seemed like every game he came into in the 90’s he would immediately allow 2 baserunners.
by James Kannengieser on Feb 28, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
that was the beaty of John Franco
he taught me how to deal with stress at an early age
2009 Did Not Happen
he has a ridiculously hot daughter
she was at nova with me. I saw him at orientation freshman year and almost fainted.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 28, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Easy
he is the stereotypical arrogant NYer. I was born in Queens, grew up on LI, but he reminds me of one reason why I don’t miss the place.
Hampton = no back up for Piazza after Clemens plunk.
He was a boy of soft demeanor
And he loved his caburetor cleaner
Franco's "stereotypical arrogan[ce]" is the reason I love him!
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 1, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
I just can't hate Hampton for leaving.
Without that we wouldn’t have had the pick that became David Wright.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 3, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
And he was a burden to Atlanta's payroll for quite a while
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 3, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
He's the only guy I can think of, where I rooted for him to get hurt somehow every year.
I wanted to see how long it can continue, with him getting injured and not playing full seasons. Same thing with Carl Pavano.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 3, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
For me
Cedeno punctuates the list. I believe it was Keith who said on a broadcast, “he plays centerfield like he’s getting chased by a bee.” He was just sooo bad, and he deserved the booing he got. If I remember correctly, Rey Ordonez got pretty surly at the end of his Mets tenure also—that pissed me off.
I didn’t mind Doug Mientkiewicz until he decided to issue the Mets a parting shot when he left, saying how poorly run of an organization they were. In 2005, this really wasn’t warranted—he didn’t handle getting eclipsed by Jacobs as a pro by any stretch of the imagination.
I HATED Looper. I don’t know why people say, “You know, Braden pitched the whole season with shoulder trouble and didn’t tell anyone. He just wanted to help the team.” Why is that honorable? There was a point at which he wasn’t helping the team at all when they were still in playoff contention. If he wanted to help the team properly, he would have taken his DL stint. Like a commenter said above, the Reyes chanting sealed it.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
My list
Todd Zeile. The Mets let John Olerud walk to bring in this bum. I know it’s just anecdotal, but it just seemed like every time he came up to bat, he’d stand there and watch strike three go. Passive to the point of ridiculous. It was a running joke with my college roommate, when we’d try to guess whose stance we were imitating that to just stand there and watch strike three was the “Zeile.”
Kaz Matsui. We moved Jose off of short for this guy. I’ll never understand. Although at least he was good for a homerun his first at bat every season.
Shawn Estes. For missing Clemens. Unforgivable
Satoru Komiyama. The Japanese Greg Maddux my @!#.
Carlos Baerga. For overnight going from all-star to poo-poo platter, and in exchange for a possible hall of famer.
Armando. I know it’s cliche, but it got to the point where when he came in, I just knew something bad was going to happen. That Brian Jordan homer in 99 (or was it 2000?), I saw it coming from 1000 miles away.
Didn't they not offer him a contract because he had implied that?
I read somewhere recently that if they had offered him a decent contract he probably would have stayed.
We'll never know...
… because they offered him less than the Mariners did. Thanks, Steve!
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Mar 5, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention that Washington has a much lower income tax.
Or at least it did at the time.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 6, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
I just think you should always at least make an effort.
And Zeile was such a dropoff, too.
And that's without even mentioning
That ridiculous “farewell” tour we let him have in ‘04. I know the team was lousy, but who was Todd Zeile and what was his lasting legacy with the Mets that we had to waste so much playing time on a washed up 38-year old who had only played two years with the team before, only one of which was remotely average? We let him pitch, even! I suppose we’re going to owe Jorge Sosa a farewell tour someday, too. </short rant>
If he can have a decent five weeks
or however long Sosa was actually doing pretty good with us as a starter, I wouldn’t be averse to it.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 6, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
my list consists of several different groups
The trade/FA busts — Alomar, Baerga, Foster, Rojas, Billy Taylor, Juan Samuel, Brett Butler
The assholes — Kingman, Coleman, Burgos
The ‘I just don’t like this guy’ guys — Shane Spencer, Looper, Danny Graves
The grission — McEwing, Julio Franco (who turned out to not actually have grission), Cora, Cairo
How could I forget Billy Taylor??
I had a phenom-crush on Izzy – easily my favorite member of Generation K, and to turn him into Billy “Fireman from Fahrenheit 451” Taylor….sigh.
super joe?
i must say i’m surprised to see his name pop up in here…
by Rob Castellano on Feb 28, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
does pedro get a pass?
for the dual sins of underperforming during his contract and joining the phillies? and did he not have less than kind words about the organization after leaving? i’m not sure about the comments being made. personally, i liked the guy ever since he said he’d drill the bambino in his fat ass, but he’s a name i thought i might come up
On his property, Mr. Frazier has created a number of places to unwind — or as he said, "just chill."
No, no unkind words
He was basically begging the mets to come back all last winter and spring, and by the time he went to the Phillies he just wanted to play for a contending team. Then he got there and gave a speech about how much he loves the mets and he’ll always be a New Yorker (and also a Bostonian), while Philly got no love at all, or only a maybe promise of potential love, lol.
Everyone knew he would likely underperform the contract, though I know some people do hate him for all the injuries. But the man is a legend.
I can never hate Pedro Martinez
he was probably my favorite non-Met from 1997-2004, and I was ecstatic that we got him, even though I knew he was no longer the same Pedro. And that 2005 season was awesome – I didn’t think he still had that type of year left in him, and loved getting to watch him pitch every 5 days.
2009 Did Not Happen
Opening day that season in Cinncinnati was an awesome game to watch.
Even though the bullpen blew the game, seeing a Mets pitcher pitch like Pedro did certainly gave me a good feeling about the direction of the franchise. It had been awhile at that point.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 28, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
My team
C Lo Duca
1b Mo Vaughan
2b Jose Valentin. I just hated him coming back every year, though thats also Omar’s fault
ss Kaz Matsui
3b I’m too young to remember Jefferies, but from what I gather he was a pretty big douchebag
OF Cedeno, Darryl Boston and Vince Colman. Again I’m too young to remember the last 2, but from what I gather they’re douches.
P
Lance Broadway and Amoborix Burgos both aren’t nice people
Guillermo mota gets an honorable mention
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
I can;t remember all the bad guys
I wouls have to look back at all the lineups to really weigh in on this.
I would say C- Jason Phillips was a big disappointment, he was moved to 1B and hit decent, than went back to catch and disappeared.
1B Mo Vaugh by far
2B- Castillo
SP- Zambrano- especially because we traded Kazmir for him
Umm...Ollie?
How has nobody mentioned him yet. I have “hated” a very, very small percentage of Mets in my life. I even loved all-time assholes like Jeff Kent & Vince Coleman. Bobby Bonilla was probably my all-time least favorite, Bernard Gilkey, Billy Taylor, Mel Rojas, Greg McMichael, Guillermo Mota, Jorge Sosa, &, finally, Tom Glavine for taking a giant dump in a pizza box and handing it to me….twice. In between his first and last starts, I really liked him, but I can’t forgive him for those awful bookends – my two worst times at Shea, ever.
Oh, and Shane Victorino. I don’t care that he’s never been a Met, I hate him so much I figured I’d just mention him here.
2009 Did Not Happen
You guys are all overlooking the most obvious pick
My most hated Met of all time is Omar Minaya.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
by Bobby Baseball on Feb 28, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions
As bad a GM as he is, he's still way beter than Jim Duquette.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 28, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, the all time worst GM in Mets history is
M. Donald Grant. The man single handedly ruined a franchise in a way Omar, Fred, Jeff or anyone else could not even imagine in their wildest dreams (or worst nightmares, depending on your point of view).
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
And I could go back and make a whole damn team from his guys
Pete (Jesus meant for me to walk that guy) Falcone
Hebner
Pat Zachry (was actuyally having a good half season, then broke the Crash Davis rule and used his pitching hand to hit the dugout wall — out for the season)
Willie Montanez
Believe me, as much as you guys love to complain about the current team, back then, it was a true desert and really unwatchable. That was the only time I even considered leaving the Mets.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Eh, I haven't watched long enough to have a full team
But some people I strongly dislike include
Paul LoDuca- mainly because he took over for Mike Piazza and at the time I thought he “stole his job.” I’ve just never been able to like him since.
Lastings Milledge- my brother started acting “gangster” thanks to him. It wasn’t pretty.
Scott Schoeneweis- Like many, my household referred to him as Scott ShowinShit.
Aaron Heilman- Well, you know.
And he’s not a Met but I feel the need to mention him because I hate him more than any other baseball player…Matt Cain. Keep your 94 MPH fastballs to yourself, thanks.
by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Feb 28, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions
I don't like him, he just rubs me as kind of a dick.
Alot of his bitching about not wanting to move out of center in Washington bugged the hell out of me. His bitching about his assignment to Syracuse was irritating too. It would be one thing if he was actually earning his spot in the bigs, but he was pretty awful at the beginning of the year. He just seemed to talk alot of shit for someone that hasn’t done anything yet.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 28, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
My list
Kris Benson and his wife
Heilman
Bobby Bonilla
Vince Coleman
Benitez
Alomar
Milledge
Omar Minaya
The Wilpons
Blasts from the past: Doug Sisk and Ron Gardenhire
On deck to make the list: Oliver Perez
Nah, I want him to do well...
Just saying he banked a lot of ill-will points in 2009.
I’m sick of hearing “good Ollie” and “bad Ollie”.
I'd be willing to hear "bad Ollie"
if “bad Ollie” meant 6 IP, 2 ER, <2 BB per game
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 1, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Jose Reyes is another one that bugs me
He is so lazy, he never runs his hardest and is always slacking off. I still remember that game in Boston when he hit an easy triple but he walks down the first base line and only gets a double. It wound up costing us the game. I hate all the players who don’t hustle. They are getting paid millions and millions of dollars to play a game and they still aren’t motivated. Jerks.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
whether he is or not
that double and the extra inning one this may off the 16 ft wall at citi where he thought he won the game are THE most overblown moments of the past few years. i mean by all accounts jose is one of the hardest workers on the team yet nobody says crap when he hustles a double into a triple (which happens a lot).
its amazing, when any other player sneezes its like ‘whatever’ but when jose does it everyone breaks out the microscopes and spends the next 3 days inundating the blogosphere, talk radio, etc with ‘trade lazy jose reyes!’ stories. i truly hate that.
by Rob Castellano on Feb 28, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
My knowledge is about 1998 on, so those are the only years I'm choosing from
C- Paul Lo Duca
1B- Doug Mientkiewicz
2B- Roberto Alomar
3B- Alex Cora?
SS- Kaz Matsui
OF- Timo Perez/ Roger Cedeno/ Jeff Francoeur
SP- Victor Zambrano
RP- Ambiorix Burgos
I actually hate very few players (lots of the players in my lineup are just people I don’t like). The people I really hate are Alomar, Kaz, Cedeno, Zambrano, and Frenchy. I don’t actually hate Jeff Francoeur, but I hate everything he represents. If he had a 15% walk rate I’m sure he’d be one of my favorite players.
My list includes Kenny Rogers, Alay Soler, Roberto Alomar, Kaz Matsui, David Newhan, Jay Bell, Vince Coleman, Bobby Bonilla’s second incarnation, to name a few.
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 28, 2010 9:12 PM EST reply actions
TOTALLY forgot about Jay Bell
Underrated douchebag. Talented as all get out… but even in Pittsburgh, NEVER seemed to give a shit.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Mar 2, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Oh and I also hate Amos Otis and Ken Singleton
for not starting to hit until after they were traded away.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Paul LoDuca
nobody else comes close in my book. He sucked, he was a juicer (shocking!), he seems like a total scumbag in real life, and the “Jersey Shore”-style Mets fans who call in to WFAN to say how much they hate Beltran because of his hair highlights loved the guy.
The above reasons in combination cannot be topped.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
Loduca
gave the club fire and emotion. Why do you think since they let him go they choked 2 yearsin a row. Love or hate him he gave his teammates fire to feed off and motivate in games. The team has’nt been the same since. They lost their as David
Wright would say “swagger” since he left the team
Lo Duca was on the 2007 Mets
The biggest chokers ever.
by James Kannengieser on Feb 28, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
and a big part of it....
….was Randolph playing Paulie over Castro. Ramon hit the tar out of the ball in 2007 and ended up with a mere 157 PAs. Would he have slugged .556 across a full season? Probably not, but I guarantee he puts up better number than the .272/.311/.378 that LoDuca did.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Mar 1, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I hope this is satire
Good job with your WFAN caller-style Mets fan impression.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Mar 1, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I always hated Sheffield
because he had admitted throwing away balls at the beginning of his career, plus the whining and cries of racism at every stop. I still really dislike him, but I have to admit he was not a problem last year (until the very end, and even then it was mild by his standards).
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
I despise
Ty Wigginton and Bobby Bonilla
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 28, 2010 10:38 PM EST reply actions
And I just remebered
Bret (Bleach) Saberhagen; Kingman was already mentioned; they’re at the tope of the douchelord division in this group, along with Coleman, who had two strikes against him: a) a Cardinal from the White Rat era and b) a jerk generally speaking. And I didn’t like Bonilla either time he was here.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
How about Burnitz
Bearga, Vauhgn, Alomar era that sucked
Tatis post 2008, Duaner Sanchez, Jose Lima,
Kazmir, Wheeler, Heath Bell, Preston Wilson, AJ Burnett, Bascially any met that sucked then got traded and turned into a star.
Lastings Milledge becuase we could’ve gotten Manny Ramirez in 06 or 07, but hey we flipped him for Schnieder and Church.
can't hate kazmir, not his fault they traded him for junk before he got a shot
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 28, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
But Church got us Francoeur...
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 28, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, Lima barely pitched for us.
And Burnett never reached the majors as a Met, and Wilson played just 8 games. You’re actually hating guys for being traded just before they hit their prime? That’s pretty harsh.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 1, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Lima
…lost every game he pitched for us, I think. Plus his hair still gives me nightmares.
Wilson was traded for Piazza
And Burnett got us Leiter — we gave something up but we got good and return. I think the Piazza for Wilson, Yarnall, etc. gave us a slight advantage, no?
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
He's not a Met, or even a baseball player, but I sure hate Sydney Crossby...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 1, 2010 12:29 AM EST reply actions
Really siple.
Tom Fucking Glavine
Shane The Pisser Spencer
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Mar 1, 2010 12:38 AM EST reply actions
My all time hated list begins and ends with Brian Lawrence
He only made 6 starts, but that’s all it took to blow apart the ’07 season. Juan Samuel and Baerga get honorable mentions.
Regarding Gibson having a higher WAR than Straw and Mac. That is really surprising. I never realized how many runs he scored and his OBP that year. People always focused on his crappy rbi total. But, I still think that WAR factors too heavily on fielding, and I don’t trust those fielding numbers, Straw had very good range. And he just blew Gibson away in all the power categories that year (Slugging, OPS, total bases,etc.).
Met fan since '73
This took some time but here it is.
C – Steve Chilcott (never made the squad but was the 1st pick in ’66. Reggie Jackson was #2. Enough said.
1B – Eddie Murray (’92 – ’93) Disgruntled and angry was another in retarded post championship picks. Plus replaced Dave Mags an all-time favorite of mine.
2B – A tie between Roberto Alomar (‘02-’03) and Gregg Jeffries (‘89-’91). Both of whom you can lay the blame squarely in the laps of their fathers. The should of raised better humans rather than machine like ball players.
SS- Kevin Elster. (‘88 – "91) Don’t really have any good reason except I had to pick someone and since he replaced Santana from my beloved ‘86 squad seemed as good as any from the third dark ages (’89-’96)
3B – Easily Jeff Kent (’96). The move to third brought out his true colors as a first class ass.
LF – Vince Coleman (’93) . The only season I have actual questioned my loyalty to this organization and he was one of the main reasons why.
CF – Juan Samuel (’89) Just a bad idea. Maybe he was a decent dude, but not in centerfield. A complete disaster.
RF – Carl Everett (’95) Any one who beats their children or covers it up for his wife makes this list hands down. Never got past that, never bought into his “eccentric” act. A total loser.
SP – Bret Saberhagen (‘92 – ’95) Total jerk. Was involved in every stupid prank and situation either directly or indirectly during this dark period of Met’s history.
RP – Doug Sisk (‘84-’87) The luckiest closer ever. Those who think Franco made you sweat either don’t remember or were too young and stoned to remember the pain this man would put you through every time he took the mound. Didn’t even try till he put at least two men on base.
For those who think we are in disarray now nothing was like the shame and pain of the early ’90’s. I had a hard time even reviewing those rosters of spoiled superstars. At least during this underachieving Minaya era I think the palyers for the most part are good guys (even Ollie.)
surprising it took this long to get to carl everett
but i hear he’s a paleontologist now
On his property, Mr. Frazier has created a number of places to unwind — or as he said, "just chill."
by inventor frank on Mar 1, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
How could he be a paleontologist?
Paleontology isn’t in the bible.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Mar 2, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Magadan
If you like magadan you must like Murphy.Neither one has any power or can drive in runs.Both are considered below average defensively and both are painfully slow,At least Mags could punch out a soft .300 B.A.The Mets are going nowhere this year so give the job to Davis who is 22 loaded with potential.
by Putnan Prince on Mar 6, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Magadan
Had legendary plate discipline for a guy with little/no power – he managed a .348 career woba despite a .089 ISO. And at least by TZ, he was basically average at 3rd and above average at 1st (-3.5 for career at 3rd, +20.2 at 1st, if you like Total Zone – it’s just the easiest one I could find since bb-ref uses it now). Magadan with a little more power is pretty much a best case scenario development for Murphy. Magadan’s just the kind of guy with a discernible Plus Skill that the Mets could use.
I loved Magadan as a kid, what can I say.
Murphy, I would not say, is painfully slow.
His speed ranking is more or less in line with the team average (he was at 4.0 last season, while the team mean was between 4 and 5, as best as I could gather info and average it all), and his defense at first base was above average for last season, with a 4.7 UZR.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 6, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I REALLY
… don’t understand how you’d put Mags on a Most Hated Met list. (Even assuming what you’re saying was true… and it’s at best sporadically so.)
Mags was slow as molasses but, as Mook points out, an average defender and ridiculous plate discipline. That “soft .300” came with on-base numbers between .367 and .417 during his Mets tenure.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Mar 6, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
"soft .300" translated
usually means “i don’t like this guy but i can’t find any numbers to support my disdain for him”
by Rob Castellano on Mar 7, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Vince Coleman
Didn’t know who Jackie Robinson was, threw firecrackers at kids, said the fact we didn’t have turf was keeping him out of the HOF and sucked royally in the OF and hardly got on base.
hated mets
I go back to the original Mets so this list is accurate hatred!!
Roberto Alomar,Carlos Baerga,Armondo Benitez,Kris Benson and his slut wife,Mark(boom boom) Bomback,Bobby Bonilla,Mike Bordick,Luis Castillo,Roger Cedeno,Shawn Estes,Carl Everett,Tony Fernandez,George Foster,Jim Fregosi,Aaron Heilman,Ray Ordonez,Juan Samuel,Doug Sisk and Anthony Young.
If you know why all these players are hated,consider yourself a long time,suffering true Mets fan.
Why the Ordonez hate?
As far as I can tell, he had a bad season, said a few less-than-nice but not all that inflammatory things, and then got traded. Does that replace so many years of amazing defense?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 5, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ray-Ray
This guy left his wife and family in Cuba and never looked back.In his entire career he never bothered to learn a word of English.He refused to listen to hitting coaches and spent his entire time here swinging at the first pitch and flying out to left field.Ray-Ray OBS and any x-base hit was greeted in the dugout as if it was a pitcher at the plate.Good defense alone does not make it in modern day baseball(Ripken,Jeter,Ramirez,Reyes etc.)
by Putnan Prince on Mar 5, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Of course he was an easy out. He's Rey Ordonez.
He was an easy out, but he was an amazing defender. If he wasn’t an amazing defensive player, and was just a crappy player all around, it’d certainly make sense, not liking him. But, for his entire career, we all knew that his one strength was his defense- when he broke his arm, and it was never the same, that’s why we moved on, because his one great part of the game, it was no longer around.
As for leaving his family, all Cuban ballplayers from Cuba with families who defect here do that. And, as for learning English, what does that really matter?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 6, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Remember what finally got him traded...flipping off the fans at Shea. guy was a jerk
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Mar 7, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Right. I thought he cursed some people out, but that must be what I was thinking of.
I’m of the opinion, at least, that one incident (that didn’t really have an impact on the game of baseball) doesn’t erase all of the “good will” or whatever that came before it.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Ray-Ray
Cuban players do leave their families when they defect,but he left a wife and a child behind ,never made any effort to get them here,and remarried here.As for not learning any English,it’s called assimilation which is one problem we are facing in our country.
by Putnan Prince on Mar 7, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know where to begin...
Defecting = leaving your old life behind. It is not a decision made lightly, as evidenced by the relatively small number of individuals who sacrifice everything to free themselves from Cuban governmental tyranny (in this case, athletes). You think that, post-defection, he had any chance of bringing his family over as well? Of course not. Defections humiliate the Cuban government- Castro and Co. likely keep family of defected players under lock and key. That is simply speculation and hearsay based on my part, but such musings follow the logic that most fascist governments tend to display.
Your second point is plain ignorant, on various levels. You don’t know what kind of an effort Ordonez made vis-a-vis speaking English, and any claims made one way or another are based on no factual evidence. Assimilation can and does take place without the public abandoning of one’s his/her native language in favor of English- the Jews and Italians of Lower Manhattan in the late 1800s and early 1900s lived in ethnic enclaves where Italian and Hebrew/Yiddish were the primary spoken languages, in conversation, on storefronts, and so on. Were they, then, not assimilated into American society? These are the “classic immigrants”, of whose assimilation would never be questioned in the ‘mainstream’ today.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
hey, when you come to OUR country, you better learn to speak OUR language*
*which is why so many of us speak Iroquois
2009 Did Not Happen
Tell that to a Navajo.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 8, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
$$$$$
Ray Ordonez and all cuban athletes are treated welll compared to most of the population there.They leave for one reason $$$$$$$$$ they do not suffer from govermental tyranny
In your second point,you compare the immigrations of the 1800’s and 1900’s(which were massive) to Cuban ball players defecting..??The Mets tried to get Ordonez to learn some English but it was a know sale. Obyiously,you never served overseas where you wanted to learn the language to function, The reason I know this,my daughter worked for the Mets under Jay Horowitz for 5 years and Jay was always crying that Ordonez would put no effort into any Met promotions and could only do interviews with a translator.By the way,I think the Italians,Jews,and Germans have assimilated .Finally!!
by Putnan Prince on Mar 9, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, they do still suffer from government tyranny
You think that just because they’re the nation’s star athletes, they’re exempt from all of the rules? Guys like Chapman and Ordonez don’t get to protest the government; they’re subject to the same fear and intimidation as the rest of the population. And they might actually be subject to more surveillance than average citizens, given the propensity of Cuban athletes to defect, and the damage those defections cause to the regime’s image. Their families can’t travel with them to tournaments, since the Cuban government keeps them as a sort of collateral that they’ll return. Yeah, the money’s nice, but so is being able to speak your mind and live free from the fear that the police will arrest you for it.
FYI, when you write a post criticizing other people for not learning English, you really should proofread it first.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 9, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow...
Of course they are stifled by the Cuban government. That they may have a higher social standing within Cuban society doesn’t translate into living a pain/suffering-free existence. A piece of twine that is two inches is longer than a piece of twine that is only one inch, but that doesn’t, then, make two inches of twine a very great amount. The repercussions of someone who is of higher social strata embarrassing the government can only be greater than those who hail from the general bourgeoisie. The concept in action happens everyday- Bobby Fischer, the famous chess master and expat who had problems with the U.S. government resulting in his becoming a persona non grata and him revoking his citizenship, immediately comes to mind, as opposed to generic and unnamed draft dodgers during Vietnam, who were all granted general pardons by President Carter.
As to my second point, lets follow the conversation. You brought up the assimilation of Rey Ordonez, and criticized your perceived lack of progress on the issue, to which I responded citing the examples of the most famous generation of immigrants to the U.S., the second great wave of the late 1800s and early 1900s, as a demonstration that language does not equate to assimilation, being as that, by and large, only ignorant bigots contested (or still do) the validity of their assimilation into American society, groups that are generally seen as the protoypical American assimilation ethnic groups. Where the shoe fits…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 9, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
"one problem we are facing in our country"
Really? Can you cite some evidence?
Blowhard
Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan you have finally bored me to death.Searching for someone sharper.
flagged
Two things:
1. Use the “reply” link. It’s impossible to tell what you’re even talking about here.
2. No personal attacks. You started that stupid English-and-Cuba derail, you have to live with it when people reply to arguments that you brought up.
Manager- Dallas green
I hated this guy, he would do nothing, then when the team sucked in the game he would yell and scream at them thinking that would do something.
also becuase during his time we had the trio of Pulsipher, Wilson, abd Izzy in are system and all three woun dup having arm problems after getting to the majors.
by Rickfansince76 on Mar 11, 2010 11:09 AM EST reply actions
my strong dislike team:
1b-Doug Mientkiewicz
2b- Roberto Alomar
Jeff Kent (other than for obvious reasons, traded for one of my favorite ex-Mets, Cone)
Carlos Baerga
Ss- Kaz Matsui,
Tony Fernandez
3b- Bobby Bonilla
C- Paul LoDuca never understood his reputation as “good defensive catcher” Brian Schneider
C
LF-Vince Coleman
CF- Juan Samuel
RF- Carl Everett/Frenchy
SP- Tom Glavine (sorry he’s a BRAVE)
SP-Mike “Good school system in Colorado” Hampton
SP- Kenny Rogers
SP- Rick Reed
SP-Al Leiter
RP- Greg McMichael
RP- Mota
RP- Ambrioix Burgos
RP- Jorge Sosa
RP- Benitez, Rojas and
Billy Wagner to some extent-way to give up homers to guys who don’t usually hit them, way to be “clutch”…
GM: Omar Minaya
Managers: Dallas Green
Jerry Manuel (I dislike him for his baseball “intellect”)
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Villians be damned?
Worse GM : Dan Duquette Kazmir for Zambrano is unforgivable.
Worse Manager : Jeff Torborg (the Marlins fans would agree)
RP: McMichael, Sisk, Rojas, Heilman
SP: Heilman, Zambrano, Craig Swan, Kenny Rogers, Doc (drugs ruined a great career)
1B: Murphy (I like his work ethic, but he isn’t that talented. And everybody loves him, so I’m being contrarian), Willie Montanez is a actually a better pick
2B: Alomar (somewhere Carlos Baerga is breathing a sigh of relief)
SS: Kaz (what a disappointment)
3B: Greg Jeffries (what a load)
LF: Kevin McReynolds (has there been a big d*k on the Mets ever?)
CF: Vince Coleman (yup, this guy)
RF: Church (this guy isn’t far behind the last 2)
Villians be damned (edited)
Worse GM : Dan Duquette Kazmir for Zambrano is unforgivable.
Worse Manager : Jeff Torborg (the Marlins fans would agree)
RP: McMichael, Sisk, Rojas, Heilman
SP: Heilman, Zambrano, Craig Swan, Kenny Rogers, Doc (drugs ruined a great career)
1B: Murphy (I like his work ethic, but he isn’t that talented. And everybody loves him, so I’m being contrarian), Willie Montanez is a actually a better pick
2B: Alomar (somewhere Carlos Baerga is breathing a sigh of relief)
SS: Kaz (what a disappointment)
3B: Greg Jeffries (what a load)
LF: Kevin McReynolds (has there been a bigger d*k on the Mets ever?)
CF: Vince Coleman (yup, this guy)
RF: Church (this guy isn’t far behind the last 2)
What did Church do!?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 17, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
And what did Swannie do?
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore

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