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Jason Bay = Kevin McReynolds? We Should Be So Lucky

The signing of Jason Bay elicited some comparisons to past Mets acquisitions. Tim Marchman simply put up a picture of Mo Vaughn on his blog upon hearing the news. The level-headed Marchman was likely being tongue-in-cheek, as the association was a bit over-the-top. Or he simply wanted to post a picture of Big Mo (and who could blame him?). In fairness, he followed up with a more substantive post. Jeff Pearlman wrote a column at Sports Illustrated comparing Bay to George Foster, whose considerable skills disappeared almost immediately after inking a then-sizeable five year, $10 million contract with the Mets before the 1982 season. It wasn't a great comparison but there was something there; Foster signed his deal at age 33, following a string of exemplary offensive seasons. Bay is 31 and one of the best hitters in baseball. Pearlman subsequently made another comparison at his blog -- Kevin McReynolds, who was 27 when acquired by the Mets.

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Gut reaction without looking at statistics is that the comp is fair and it would be nice if Bay performs for the Mets like McReynolds did. Pearlman feels differently:

McReynolds, like Bay, was a flatliner ballplayer. Great numbers, solid effort, little spark; little oomph. When you pay the sort of money the Mets are giving Bay (and gave McReynolds), you want the complete and total package. But McReynolds-like Bay-inspired nobody. He was a good, solid guy who really wasn't meant for New York.

I wasn't self aware during most of McReynolds's time with the Mets but have read enough about him to understand his storyline -- talented player who didn't have much passion for the game. Evidence suggests this might be true, but it's the first part of the storyline that is most important. Pearlman might be right that Bay is not an "oomph" player, but who cares? You don't pay for "oomph"; you pay for talent. And despite his defensive shortcomings and the fact that the Mets overpaid a bit, Bay has plenty of talent. Enough to post a .397 wOBA in the powerhouse AL East last season.

For purposes of the following comparison, let's assume Bay's option vests and he plays five years with the Mets, just as McReynolds did. Listed are McReynolds's Mets season-by-season WAR per Baseball Projection and Bay's projected WAR, starting with the CHONE projected 4.0 for 2010 and knocking 0.5 off each year:

Season McReynolds Bay
1 2.6 4.0
2 4.7 3.5
3 3.9 3.0
4 4.2 2.5
5 1.2 2.0
Total 16.6 15.0


That 4.0 starting point might be a bit generous, but even so McReynolds outperforms the hypothetical Bay performance. WAR isn't infallible but it's not as if McReynolds's totals were inflated by fluky defensive stats -- he posted wRC+'s of 149, 128, 122, 120 and 106 with the Mets and played nearly every game. Give me a durable power hitting corner outfielder over a spark-filled dynamo who is only on the leaderboards for dirtiest uniform and most buffet tables flipped. Bay is the next McReynolds? Awesome!

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I remember thinking I was the only Met fan who liked McReynolds. He was a quiet guy who was traded to the rowdy Mets and Mitchell having that monster year didn’t help matters.

I remember the typical WFAN call (along with the two afternoon idiots) being about how McReynolds only hits HRs late in blowout games. I could see the same tag being applied to Bay.

by Nystrom on Feb 5, 2010 7:38 AM EST reply actions  

Isn't that also

what people say about Beltran?

by deadspy3 on Feb 5, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I suppose

but I stopped listening to WFAN.

by Nystrom on Feb 5, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny, I was about to say McReynolds was the late 80s version of Beltran

I remember being non-plussed with the guy when he played for the Mets (though not quite as talented or productive). I think he had several things going against him – because he was seen as surly, fans and the media didn’t shine to him, and they thus undervalued him. Also, I think he was hyped as a superstar when in fact he was just a very, very good player, kind of like Bobby Bonilla. Also, I think the fact that Kevin Mitchell really exploded after we traded him and became an elite player for a few years made it seem like we got the raw end of the deal.

by dcmetsfan on Feb 5, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Proofread fail

The parenthetical aside probably should have been in the comment title.

by dcmetsfan on Feb 5, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

McReynolds was very much like Beltran, but with a bit less speed. He was about as good defensively in LF as Beltran is in CF. Tracked balls very well like Beltran.

by acerimusdux on Feb 5, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

At least McReynolds

had his wife to call in and defend him.

by Mount17 on Feb 5, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Did she really call into the FAN?

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Feb 7, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Two afternoon idiots?

Wasn’t Pete Frankilin doing the afternoon show back then? That old curmudgeon was awesome.

by MangoMetsFan on Feb 5, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

1989

was when Mike and the Mad Dog took over so they would have had the back end of McReynolds Mets career.

by Nystrom on Feb 5, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow. Right on.

Hard to believe that Pete Franklin only lasted 2 years on WFAN. It felt like he was yelling at and hanging up on callers for a lot longer than that.

by MangoMetsFan on Feb 5, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrong

I was a big McReynolds fan. Got to the park, did his job well, went home.

by Dapoil on Feb 5, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I love how we have such low expectations of the Mets

that “got to the park” and “went home” are positives!

by deadspy3 on Feb 5, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

got to the park uninjured*

how quickly we forgot the cab ride of 06.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 5, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Cuban food is dangerous.

I know I haven’t had the hankering for it since Duaner’s ill-fated ride.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 5, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That taxi accident may have been the worst thing to ever happen to the Mets organization.

Without that, we would not have traded Nady for Hernandez and Perez. That would likely have stopped Omar from signing Ollie to his 3/36 deal, and would also have possibly have prevented the Church/Schnieder trade. Without the Church trade, we may have avoided trading for Francoeur last year, as we’d have had Milledge and Nady patroling the corners. I can see a much better situation right now without those moves ever happening. Thanks Cabby…

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 6, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Nady for Hernandez and Perez really wasn't a bad deal

Nady is kind of useless and not really someone I’d want in the corners anyway and Perez was at least valuable for a few years cheaply, before Omar insisted on shooting himself in the foot.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 6, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but I really wonder if Omar would have gone after Ollie without his familiarity.

Nady wasn’t anything special, but we haven’t really replaced him with anything special either.Freeing up the 17 million from Francoeur and Perez could fill alot of holes.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 6, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that's assuming

they didn’t pay Nady 12 million and go after someone like Silva after 06.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 6, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

True...

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 6, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent player

I remember McReynolds well. Very solid ballplayer, underrated defensively and solid offensively. He could also steal a base. He should have won the MVP in 1988 (he split the vote with Strawberry, and Gibson won in a terrible decision.) Yeah, he wasn’t “Nails” Dykstra with his heart on his sleeve, but I’d have him on my team any day of the week.

Let's Go Mets!

by twassel on Feb 5, 2010 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

McReynolds

he was a nice solid player to compliment the likes of Strawberry, Hernandez, and a great pitching staff. If Bay can play like that I would be happy, but Bay is getting paid to hit more like Strawberry as far as power. In this market McReynolds while a solid player would be more of a $7-8 million guy…$10 million at most

by Rickfansince76 on Feb 5, 2010 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

Always liked him

He seemed to always throw guys out at 2nd and home, his arm was maybe not that strong, but he had a quick release and was really accurate. And a smart baserunner. I also thought at the time that he deserved the MVP in 88, although statiscally Straw had a better year. No way did Gibson deserve that thing over Mac, Straw, Hershiser or Cone.

by Mackey Sasser on Feb 5, 2010 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

The big knock on McReynolds

came after the ‘88 playoffs, when he was asked to comment on the Mets’ loss. He basically said, “Hey, no big deal: this means I can go hunting a couple weeks earlier.”

This Glavine-esque remark killed him with the fan base & media. Redemption came when KC gave him back to the Mets for Vince Coleman.

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?

by CharlieH on Feb 5, 2010 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

This

IIRC, he was embraced by the fans before this comment. And for good reason: the belief at the time was that he was the best all-around LF in baseball.

by tough_as_nails on Feb 6, 2010 3:28 AM EST up reply actions  

That's right.

Good call.

The question is, would have preferred to have Kevin Mitchell, who the Mets traded to get McReynolds. Supposedly, Mitch was traded away because bow-tie thought he was a bad influence on Straw and Doc.

Of course, Mitch had a bit hit in the rally that brought the Mets back in game 6 of the ’86 WS.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Feb 7, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Bay is a better hitter than McReynolds was. The problem is

that Kevin’s last decent year was his age 30 season. Bay is already in his decline phase and will probably be out of the league, certainly the National league, by the fifth year of his contract. That’s almost always what happens to players who can barely play defense and aren’t truly elite hitters.

A stupid contract made even dumber by the fact that the Mets did nothing else to move them towards the playoffs, thus burdening themselves with Bay’s contract for 2012-2014, or just when a lot of payroll was coming off the books. This FO would shoot itself in the foot if it could find its foot.

by SeanSchirmer on Feb 5, 2010 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

Bay will be better, but...

Interesting stuff. But Bay seems to be an upgrade over Mac. He’s a proven gamer who will only benefit if the rest of the line-up can bounce back. What he did with the Sawx…literally CARRY them….was something Mac never did for any team. Ot’s also going to be a positive for the work ethic of the locker room…..Now..that being said…could you imagine the postings we would see if our beloved Muts did NOT sign Bay?

But to hitch any hope to rebounds from Oliie, Maine and Pelfrey is too much to realistically hope for……it’s going to be a long summer. .500 will be a struggle…..Jerry and Omar gone by mid-season…as we drift farther away from being a championship caliber team. I love the Mets..but our leadership and management are proven train wrecks while other teams in our division have rebuilt internally. I hope Josh Thole and Ike Davis can eventually help…but more experienced pundits than I give them questiion marks. The only guarantees we have is Johan giving us a chance every 5 days. 75 wins?

by psycho12 on Feb 6, 2010 6:28 AM EST reply actions  

There might not be much of an uproar if we hadn't signed Bay,

depending on who we’d signed instead. We might actually be happier if we hadn’t signed Bay.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 6, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Well it depends

people in here might not, but I wouldn’t be shocked if the average fan thinks we got him for a steal and we’ll be a 90 win team because of him.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Feb 6, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

True.

The average fan probably thinks he was looking for 5/100.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 6, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

MC Reynolds came from the Padres to NewYork not Boston

I’m pretty sure Bay will be up to the pressure of NY after dealing with the chowdah heads up north. Going from 80’s SD to NY was a huge difference from current Boston to NY. On that aspect Bay will be fine. The only question is how does he go from that little league park to our airport.
We will see

Jerry and Omar assclowns for life

by Ghost of seven in a row on Feb 6, 2010 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

Ralph Kiner on McReynolds as a Met:

“You don’t have to worry about his attitude, because he doesn’t have one.”

"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore

by StorkFan on Feb 6, 2010 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

very telling coming from Ralph

Ralph always had a way with words. But that sounded like a zinger to me.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Feb 7, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

What's impressive about Bey to me ....

was that he stepped in, in essence, to replace Manny in Boston’s line-up without “Big Papi” in the line-up and carried the Red Sox for a while ….. until he went into a horrible mid-season slump. He still ended up with 119 ribbies.

When did McReynolds ever end up with more than 100 RBIs? The answer … never. His 3 best years were 99, 96 and 95. Bay has done it 4 times and twice with the Pirates.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Feb 7, 2010 12:33 AM EST reply actions  

I meant "Bay" ooops

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Feb 7, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Comparing the # of RBIs they got is misleading, though.

Bay plays in a much higher-scoring era than McReynolds. McReynolds’ career was also shorter than Bay’s likely will; he played 12 seasons, but in only 10 of those did he play more than 100 games, and the last 2, he barely crossed that threshold. Not to mention that in 3 of those 4 100-RBI seasons, Bay just barely got to 100. He’s had 101 twice, and 109 another season. McReynolds’ career highs in RBI were 99, 96, and 95. If you neutralize the park factor and assume an average of 4.42 runs per game (the historical average), he gets to 100 RBI 3 times, and hits 99 once more.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 7, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

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