When Cliff Floyd Spoke, Players Listened
by Mets Public Record on Feb 6, 2010 9:32 PM EST
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Former Met Cliff Floyd was a very integral part of the Mets success during the 2006 season. That year, the Mets were one hit away from playing in their fifth World Series. Floyd, a natural contact hitter, was just as impressive off the field as he was on it. Some of those who hung around the Mets clubhouse throughout his tenure felt that when he left the organization the room changed.
With positive team chemistry deemed just as important as driving runners in, players like Floyd are considered necessities when building a championship team. Now, semi-retired, Floyd’s recent comments regarding the Mets current clubhouse as one of disconnect, have Mets fans concerned.
“I got the guys to believe in what I was saying,” Floyd said recently as a guest on a popular local radio show. “I didn’t take them down the road of destruction where they were going to go against the manager, or go against the coaches, or be a, me-type of player.”
The 37-year-old outfielder/DH embraced the role of mentor during his experiences with some of the Mets younger players including David Wright and Jose Reyes in 2006.
“My goal was to make sure they understand what it takes to play in the big leagues,” Floyd said. “Be productive and be accountable. Allow the clubhouse to be that sanctuary away from the world.”
Like a lot of other former Mets players, Floyd’s comments suggest that this current team could use someone like him to act as a support system when things take a turn for the worse. Lack of leadership and accountability has been a central theme regarding the Mets failures the last three seasons.
Floyd is currently an unsigned free agent who is contemplating retirement. His career as a journeyman player has spanned over 17 seasons in which he has played for eight different major league clubs.
Since he’ll be able to start the season with the Mets, I feel that right fielder Jeff Francoeur could be a formidable leader on and off the field. He’s an everyday player who plays every inning like it’s his last. Plus, he welcomes the pressures that come with playing in New York and plays hurt. He doesn’t give up easily and seems to have a positive demeanor, even on the worst of days.
Who do you think could fill a leadership role for the Mets in 2010?
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When David Wright speaks no one listens
because he has no grit and isn’t a leader!!!!!
Grission 4 eva!!!!!1
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
When he speaks
people wonder “When is he going to hit puberty?”
(Sorry Dub…love ya but it’s the truth…)
by pologroundling on Feb 7, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
That's because he's
the minority in the club house.
Er
Bay, Evans, Francouer, Murphy, Green, Thole, Stoner, Pelfrey, Parnell, Misch, Niese, Maine, Coste, Carter, etc, etc
I mean, I could be wrong, but I assume you were making an ill-informed ethnicity point.
So is that a shot at Omar, latinos, or minorities in general?
Whichever it is, it’s really inappropriate.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 7, 2010 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
maybe
he means because he’s a good player
what’s he going to tell his teammates? “Stop sucking so much?”
That must be it. Because, I'd hope that no one who is registered and posts her is trying to beat that old 'Hispanics' trope, because, being as that we are an intelligent community, they should know better.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Seems about the same to me.
I feel that third baseman David Wright could be a formidable leader on and off the field. He’s an everyday player who plays every inning like it’s his last. Plus, he welcomes the pressures that come with playing in New York and plays hurt. He doesn’t give up easily and seems to have a positive demeanor, even on the worst of days.
How many other players could you put in there? Beltran plays hurt, Castillo is an everyday player, Murphy plays every inning like its his last. I don’t get the fascination with Francoeur and leadership.
ain't had enough...
by BlackOps on Feb 6, 2010 9:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree about most of what you're saying.
Francoeur’s a good ol guy, he’s not going to be a leader. I’ll just leave it at that. I’m sure there’s plenty other people on here who will give you plenty of reasons why, I’ve seen them do it before.
I will however, take any chance I can to say something about David. I think he could be a leader. I think he’s got all of the things that make up a great leader. He’ll say he’s ready to take on that type of role, but I don’t think he is. I mean maybe he is, but I don’t think that’s what he really wants right now. I still think he needs someone like Cliff Floyd for another year or two just to get him back on the right track after the type of season he had in 2009.
He’s going to have enough pressure going into 2010 as it is. We’re all waiting to see if he can bounce back from last season. I for one, think he’s perfectly capable of doing so and I think he’ll have a great season. But right now I think that’s his main priority. Getting back to himself. And then, well I guess we’ll just see how it goes.
I’m starting to ramble so I’ll just try to sum it up here. What I’m trying to say is, he does want to be a leader. But I think right now, based on 2009, that’s not what he wants. Then again, I’m not David. I can’t think or talk for him. We’ll just see what happens. But if there is going to be a guy on this team to step up and take that role, it’s going to be David.
by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Feb 6, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
David's style of leadership is different from Delgado's
That’s why he was just welcoming everyone down to the mini camp we just had. You know, after the year we had, get off to a fresh start. Get everyone on the same page. Set the goal by talking up 95 wins every other sentence to let everyone else know what he’s expecting. Yeah he’s a lot like Jimmy R that David Wright. Good team leaders should also render medical advise and judge treatment choices by their teammates and then wonder aloud about them to the media. It’s also great to see the way his head is always in the game especially when he’s on deck and doesn’t remove the bat from home plate or even tell the runner to slide on a close play at home. Carlos on the other hand led by never getting too close to a ground ball and only waving hello/goodbye as it rolled into right field. He was a big proponent of looking proffesional, out there. Mostly by keeping his uniform clean while focusing on his goal of 500 HR’s. Of course when the entire organization’s goal is just to cover up yet another injury, bad signing, lack of planning or pr nightmare what chance do you have anyway. Fred, Jeff, Omar what is this teams goal? I hope it’s not just to “battle” out there.
that sounds like troll talk
douchion = -(grission)
by HoJoHeff on Feb 7, 2010 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rec'd, only so I could unrec it.
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"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd and unrec'd
thats the dumbest thing I heard all day, and I’ve just watched Chelsea v Arsenal and have to listen to David Pleat for bloody 90 minutes
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Drogba is a beast.
I’m no Chelsea fan, but that man is disgustingly good at scoring goals. His second goal was insanely good, and even that free kick off the crossbar was phenomenal.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 7, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
That free kick was disgusting.
Almunia couldn’t do anything but watch. Chelsea are gonna be awful tough to beat when Essien gets back.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 7, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
the whyole thing was awfully depressing from my point of view
I mean, we played well after the first goal, which shouldn’t have happened. Criminal defending from Clichy and Song left Drogba wide open and no one on the post. For the second goal, it was the same as last week vs Mancs. Arsenal were bloody unlucky not to score or get a penalty, but Chelsea deserved to win. They were very efficient.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Chelsea and Man U really had a perfect gameplan for them.
Arsenal just have no size on the attack, and both teams were forcing them to go over the top to get anything. Wenger really needs to address that during the summer, along with adding a halfway decent goaltender. That team is awfully close to being really good though.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 7, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
Arsenal needs a target out there on the attack. They have the talent to shred most teams but they definitely could use some size near goal. Not Peter Crouch, necessarily, but certainly someone who can elevate or fight through defenders.
They also need a better keeper. He’s not terrible, but Almunia just sucks.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 7, 2010 5:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Of course, AW doesn't spend
We all knew that with RvP out we needed a striker. Arshavin just doesn’t work at centre forward, because when Chelsea and Man United have 6-8 back defending, we can pass it all we like, but we won’t get a goal. Bendtner has height, but is rubbish at everything else he does. VP had height and skill. And I can’t believe I say this, but I miss Adebayor.
The keeping situation is bad, because the defenders don’t trust him. Clichy is also in very bad form at the moment. Beaten by Nani of all people last week, and Drogba this week.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
That was a sale that really didn't make sense to me.
I could see it if they had brought someone in to replace him, but they didn’t sign anyone to do it. I honestly think Wenger is just getting stubborn now and trying to prove he’s smarter than anyone else by building a winning team without any physical presence.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 7, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
the problem with Adebayor
is that with RvP fit he doesn’t fit into the team. He’s very lazy, doesn’t pass the ball well, and had worn out his welcome with fans. He even said before our champions league semi final with United that he wanted to go to Milan. I think he was bad in the dressing room, and I don’t fault Arsene for selling him. I fault him for not buying a replacement, and it goes into not spending an extra £2 or £3 million on Chamakh. Thats why we didn’t get Arshavin earlier last year, and it pisses me off.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
I don't really buy that they didn't fit together.
In the typical 4-3-3 that Wenger employs they don’t, but one of the biggest things I’ve noticed with Arsenal is their inability to adjust their tactics. Anytime Wenger would switch to a 4-4-2 they’d be a very decent pairing up front. You nailed the real issue with the sale though, that Arsenal did nothing to replace him.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 7, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Arsene is a bad tactician
Before this season, we always did 4-4-2, with 4-5-1 away in Europe. The 4-5-1 is basically a 4-3-3, which he switched to this summer, following the Barca model.
Also, I think with Arshavin in, and Nasri, Eduardo, Walcott, Rosicky and Vela, he knew it was going to be hard to play all of them. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though, and I think he probably regrets not buying anyone
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Bang on
Arsenal tend to play with six excellent attacking midfielders and four defenders, lacking both a true defensive midfielder and a genuine striker. United have had a good game plan against them the last few years, which is ugly to watch, sadly, but involves shutting down the attacking midfielders by (basically) kicking them a bit, conceding possession and then breaking up moves, safe in the knowledge that there’s no target man. Agreed on Almunia, he’s not the main problem with them, but he should be upgraded at some point.
Song was our defensive midfielder
but now he’s decided that he can play an attacking role, which meant our defence was very open for the second goal.
And the problem with our attacking midfielder’s is that they’re all 5’9 or less, so when we play those stupid crosses from Sagna and Clichy, they’re pointless. The one player who does have height is Bendtner but he’s useless at everything else he does.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Looks like I missed most of the soccer tangent here
and I wouldn’t have much to add to the discussion of Wenger’s tactics, in any case, but I just wanted to say that I can’t stand Drogba. He needs to stop falling down every time someone breathes near him.
Of course, he’s nowhere near the scum that John Terry is, but that almost goes without saying at this point.
I'm disappointed
no one called Terry “adulterry”
Drogba pisses me off too. not only, does he always score against us but everytime he gets an injury he makes it look like career threatening. Seriously, for him, every time he goes down he should be off for at least 2 minutes. He might not dive so much then
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Even as a Chelsea fan that bugs the hell out of me.
I was pretty stoked when Eduardo got the ban for diving, just because I thought that might cut back on the simulation throughout the sport. I was pretty pissed off when it got lifted, just because I felt like UEFA was finally taking steps in the right direction. It was nice to see Terry screaming at him yesterday to get his ass off the ground.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 8, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
the problem with Eduardo's ban
is I actually don’t think it was a dive. I would’ve been fine with it though, except for the fact that there was a 0.000047% chance that it would be enforced against another player coughSteven Gerrardcough
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
There was contact, but I thought he certainly embelished it and tried to draw an unwarranted penalty kick (which drogba-zooka does all the time)
I just wish UEFA and the FA would try to crack down on it, because it really does make the games less fun to watch. The thing I liked about it was that UEFA was finally seeming to notice the issue, but it seems that that was wishful thinking.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 9, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Drogba, for example, is an absolute joy to watch when he’s on his feet but the constant falling down is just atrocious. He doesn’t need to do that and it makes him look like an ass. It would be nice to see the FA deal with it but, hey, they’d probably screw it up anyway.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 9, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
they'll only do something
when Drogba dives to win a penalty at Old Trafford
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Haha of course.
Then, after the penalty is given, Fergie will rip Phil Dowd’s heart out and eat it in the middle of the pitch and he’ll receive a suspended two-match touchline ban from the FA.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 9, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
meanwhile, Ferdinand
will elbow Adulterry in the head, and will not recieve another 4 match ban
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
The nice thing is that SB Nation finally has a Premier league site (although it's for Man City)
I’m looking forward to the day we start seeing more, which is hopefully soon.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 8, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
definately
How do you start up a site, by the by? I’d start up an Arsenal blog.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
I'm debating whether or not I should even try to argue back.
We all know how idiotic that sounded already, right?
by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Feb 7, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
There's a stench from this post...
It’s unmistakable…. I know…. it’s definitely a serving of FAIL.
Seriously though, this post is ridiculous, speculative, and completely moronic.
Mets still searching for a leader in the clubhouse
Wright does seem like the obvious choice for team leader, but in the past he has expressed a lack of interest in the position, claiming, ‘We have a lot of leaders on this team.’ Reyes has confirmed the same sentiment about Wright by saying, ‘He’s not that guy.’
Santana, on occasion, has taken a leadership role. However, the unwritten rule with respect to leadership in baseball should come from an everyday player.
Show your true orange and blue by listening to Mets Public Record, a local blog cast radio show at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Mets-Public-Record.
by Mets Public Record on Feb 7, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Question
How much time have you spent around the Mets, observing their interactions?
by James Kannengieser on Feb 7, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
he's the public record of the Mets, we have to listen to him
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
by metsguy234 on Feb 7, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's true, that's true.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
wait Mike Francessa is the Public Record of the Mets?
I knew he had the inside scoop, but I didn’t know it was that bad
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
a true leader would say we have a lot of leaders
You’d have to be a serious douche to call yourself a leader.
“Yeah, I have to pick up the slack around here because my teammates are lazy and our coaches don’t know what they’re doing.”
Does Derek Jeter call himself “the Captain”?
Possibly.
It also wouldn’t surprise me if he asked women to call him “The Captain” when they were out on the town. For example:
Random chick: Oh, Derek, thanks for picking me up and taking me out on the town in your new Ford Edge.
Jeter: Did you forget the rules?
RC: Sorry, The Captain.
DJ: That’s better. Have you been to my website?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 7, 2010 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
No, but everyone else has to.
I believe it’s written into the contracts of all Yankees employees that Jeter must be referred to as “The Captain”, even when not in His presence.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 7, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
It should be Carlos Beltran
He would command the respect of other latino in the club house. He’s been with the organization since 2005. You can’t expect a new player to the team to come in and be a vocal leader when he has’nt gone thru the ups and downs of past seasons. It has to be a Met veteran and Beltran needs to start being outspoken in the locker room. After all he did tell the media before the 2008 season the Mets were the “Team to Beat”. You would’ve thought Delgado would fill that role in past years but I guess not. I’d like to see them set the tone like Tampa did in spring training 2 yrs ago with the brawls and running over catchers. If they come out the gate like the 86 team with that mentality that would definetly help chemistry and unity.
Why not assign a latino captain and a white guy captain.
The problem is obviously that players of differing national origin can’t possibly be expected to respect or like each other. I guess Cliff Floyd being African American could clearly appease that demographic in the clubhouse, so we’d better bring him back to get anything positive out of GMJ.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 7, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Poor Igarashi. He's gonna be floating around aimlessly without a leader.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
"No man is an island...
… except that Chinese guy in the corner." — TheKid08
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Feb 8, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Beltran
isnt that guy. It’s hard to believe in someone when he doesn’t run the bases hard EVERYTIME.
We need a player who can lead by example and be vocal… Wright is clearly the lead by example guy. We just need him to be vocal.
by Olde Isle Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Really, people are insisting on having this dicussion again?
You don’t get anointed the team leader by running the bases hard, nor does not doing so strip you of said leadership role. And show us when Beltran dogs it on the field.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 7, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Have you ever seen Beltran belly flop for a ball?
every ball being in your range=not giving your all
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
It's soul-crushingly depressing
The way mets fans don’t deserve Beltran. He is, routinely, one of the most intelligent, thinking, focused players on the field. And his rare lapses, ie, last spring, I’m convinced are just him saving his knees, or worry about his knees interfering with his usual awesome focus. But these idiots will never be convinced. This is because he’s Puerto Rican, I’m convinced.
by SuperT on Feb 7, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think it has anything to do with his race. I think it has to do with his "quietness", his "unassuming presence".
He could be Carlos Beltran, Carl O’Brien, or whatever else. It’s the same kind of logic that makes David Wright an inferior leader/third baseman/whatever- he doesn’t have a big mouth that’s yapping a lot, and doesn’t carry himself as if he were God’s gift to the world.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
“quiet and unassuming” has not been a disqualification for baseball hero status, through the years. A couple of Yankee all-time greats come to mind, for example.
I do agree that NY doesn’t take to a reserved person as easily as it does to a more outspoken person. But I think this ridiculous refusal to grant that Beltran is the player he is goes beyond that. I mean, it truly beggars belief.
Eh.
The same people who clamor for Beltran to be traded because he’s unclutch and thinks that he sucks also think that David Wright has no heart, that the team needs more Ecksteins, and that Melky was a true Yankee, so…Puts that into perspective.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
When you win your personality becomes part of the reason you win.
If you’re quiet, it means you’re “a pro” and “not easily rattled.” If you’re loud, you’ve got “good clubhouse chemistry.” If you get your uniform dirty, you’re a “gamer” who “came to play.”
But if you don’t win…if you’re quiet, it means you “lack a passion for the game.” If you’re loud, you’re “putting yourself ahead of the team.” If you get your uniform dirty, you’re a “showoff.”
But to paraphrase a well known quote, grission is not on the scoreboard. Last time I checked, you win games by scoring more runs (or points, goals, etc.) than the other guys. (Unless it’s something like golf, where you have to get less than the other guys.) And by the way, the Saints didn’t win the Super Bowl because of Katrina (sympathies notwithstanding). They won because they were the better team.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
by StorkFan on Feb 7, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That says it all pretty well.
Though, I do know some people who grumbled about Beltran in 2006 and 2007, when we were winning. Some people are never satisfied, though; it happens.
The Colts’ defense was sucking during the game. I didn’t watch most of it, but I tuned in for about ten minutes before half-time, and, geeze…Except for that stand at the end zone, where the Colts defended against the touchdown, they looked sloppy. And, this coming from someone who’s watched…three games in the past five years? Something like that.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 8, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
They won because you can never trust a guy
who talks like he has peanut butter stuck to the roof of his mouth against a team from New Orleans. I wanted the Saints to win but I firmly believe Archie talked Manning into throwing that pick 6.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
You can never trust a guy who talks like he has peanut butter stuck to the roof of his mouth against a team from New Orleans
That’s a classic blunder that too many people fall for, almost more so than getting involved in land wars in Asia.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 8, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
almost as bad as trusting a Sicilian
when death is on the line
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 8, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
"[Beltran] would command the respect of other latino in the club house."
Is the implication here that Latino ballplayers won’t respect anyone except another Latino?
"With positive team chemistry deemed just as important as driving runners in . . . "
I’m gonna go ahead and say that driving runners in is WAAAAAAAAY more important than positive team chemistry.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 6, 2010 11:56 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
but it was "deemed" more important!
Someone deemed it! In the passive voice! You can’t argue with that!
the word 'disconnect'
taking on any part of speech, in conjunction with its criminal over usage, raises my blood pressure. It reminds me of the Poochy episode of the Simpsons.
douchion = -(grission)
by HoJoHeff on Feb 7, 2010 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What is the point of this post?
Why is this here, and not a comment on the existing open post on Floyd’s silly interview? Where is the important new argument or evidence that’s worth the time it took to read this?
Not to mention it doesn't even link to the Floyd interview, or the FanShot about it.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 7, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Or seem to really appreciate the fact that Cliff Floyd went on the radio to talk about how intregal Cliff Floyd was to the Mets' success in 2006.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 7, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Odd how that happened while he's unemployed.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 7, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
*integral
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 7, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for tip
You’re right, it should be integral, my bad.
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by Mets Public Record on Feb 7, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
No, correcting my own spelling.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 7, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
So are the rest of Mets going to follow Francoeur's lead
and never take a pitch? Also, how is he going to lead the Mets when he’s benched for sucking by mid-June?
"Three home teams advance, and the fuckin' Jets" - Rex Ryan
They'll follow him by taking
Delta Airlines
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
if they're going to follow Frenchy
We’re going to need a much bigger scoreboard to fit enough stats on so they aren’t awful.
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 7, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'd think if you wanted to put up an article you wrote for your own blog, it might be better to do it in a FanShot rather than cut and paste it to a FanPost.
At least that way you link it to the original, rather than publishing the eact same article in several places. It also would probably be worth linking to the interview you’re rehashing, or at least citing which radio station did the interview.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
*exact*
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 7, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that driving in runs and getting players with +WAR is the most important
but you cant argue the fact that this team has been missing something. You also cant argue that in the real world there are people who are better motivators then others, and that the quality to lead does not always correspond to the amount of talent a person has.
Its also hard to argue, that most players when they leave the mets, do not have nice things to say about the organization and the makeup in the locker room.
Does this mean you go out and get a bad player like FYF because he has “grit”? No. You dont try to fix one problem by making something else worse. Its just hard for me to ignore the idea that the chemistry of the team has something to do with the disappointing play this team has produced ever since clinching the division early in 2006.
"you cant argue the fact that this team has been missing something."
True. This team has been missing a competent manager, a competent front office, competent ownership, a competent training staff, etc.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 8, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yes.
and maybe that is the overall problem.
I was watching remember the titans over the weekend… One of my favorite exchanges in any sport movie is when they come off of practice and the two main characters get into it… the last line: attitude reflects leadership, captain…
Maybe it is the owner, manager, front office (Its not the trainers. the hospital for special surgery is a great hospital. The guys are competent. Its Management that has been messing up their recommendations.)
Saying we dont have a competent front office is saying the same thing I am. I am saying we have not had the right mix of players in here. That would fall on the front office not doing its job well. Competent ownership is up there.. but teams with craptastic owners have won before.
I just find it hard to believe that ALL these reports, every year (that this main core has been together), about how the clubhouse sucks are all without merit.
No one said anything bad about the clubhouse atmosphere until after 2007
I remember a 2007 article in the middle of the year when the Mets were leading the NL and the Yankees were going through all that drama, some woman at the Daily News was writing how the Mets just go out, play hard together and win, while the Yankees had the troubled clubhouse. It’s all bullshit.
"Three home teams advance, and the fuckin' Jets" - Rex Ryan
RIght. Like one or more people have said, when a team is winning, everyone is having a good time and there's no problems. When losing starts, that's when clubhouse problems manifest.
The earliest I can remember reports of clubhouse problems was in early 2008, when Wagner got all pissed off about certain players not giving interviews.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 8, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
i guess
im not tryin to start anything here. I know I have more love for the chemistry and intangibles them most people here.
as BDMF said below: when a team is winning, everyone is having a good time and there are no problems. when losing starts, thats when a clubhouse problem manifest.
A winning team with good chemistry can overcome the losing and turn it into winning. During 2007, if I remember correctly, while yes we were in first.. most of us felt the mets were not playing as well as their standings showed. We all feared a run by the phillies, because we felt we couldnt match it. And that ended up happening at the last possible second.
I also dont consider anything written in the Daily News or the Post anything more then gossip.
Ya know
I know that some statistics say that this thing or that thing is important, but goddam it, I just want someone who says shit like this:
"Well, obviously, just the way that the game is; things it offers from sex to girls to booze to whatever you can imagine can happen in this game with all the opportunity. It’s cool though, because I think what people don’t realize is that it’s tough to live in this as a Christian but it’s also one of the greatest places to witness. There’s nothing like witnessing to baseball players and seeing people turn their lives around."
Screw wOBA, praise Jeebus.
by Pat Andriola on Feb 8, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yeah but Jesus can't hit a curveball
by KeithsMoustache on Feb 8, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm!?
“…things it offers from sex to girls…”
Shouldn’t they be synonymous, Jeffy?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 9, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe he means strippers?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 9, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
If you're doing it TO them, you're probably doing it wrong.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Feb 9, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
The clubhouse needs Cliff Floyd to teach the birds and the bees...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 9, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
God forbid we have a good person on our team
He’s a religious person, what an INCREDIBLE indictment of some statistic no baseball player cares about.
God isn't on the scoreboard.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 9, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
What's wrong with you?
You’re ripping on a guy because he’s religious? What does that even have to do with any baseball statistic? A stupid correlation, an even stupider post.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
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