FORBES RIPS WILPON
It feels like the Mets are 0-162 and not a single pitch has been thrown.
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he Mets have become a franchise with a handful of stars supported by a soft underbelly, without any real foundation since the farm system produced the likes of Dwight Gooden, Darryl Strawberry and Lenny Dykstra in the 1980s.
Didn’t the farm system produced the likes of Wright and Reyes? And it’s not like it’s God awful now. I can think of plenty of reasons to rip the Wilpons but this article seems a bit weak.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
The author isn't as informed as I would like him to be
but its just the idea that Forbes would have a thrown together piece on the debacle that is the Mets ownership is a bit shocking. I don’t agree with Fred having a thing about the stankees either.
Is it really that shocking?
It seems like it’s open season on the mets. I expect E to do a behind the scenes expose next week and MTV to create a reality show revolving around their spring training soon.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
It could be called "St. Lucie Shore"
The first episode, Alex Cora would show up and start doing tequila shots and make a general embarrassment of himself (especially in the hot tube), but eventually people would start to love him even though he generally sucks and doesn’t bring much to the table, and Omar would give him a contract with a vesting option.
And I'm not saying the open season is underserved
Just that at this point the Pope could criticize the mets and I wouldn’t find it shocking at all.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
You're right, I wouldn't mind an HBO Hard Knocks: Spring Training with the Mets series
It would be better drama than anything this baseball will produce season.
what you didn't read the latest encyclical
he calls for three hail marys and the excommunication of Jerry Manuel.
Oh I agree
but I prefer informed ripping, all this does is cause a bunch of people to ignore more informed articles when they do come out cause they lump it in with the “met ripping trend”.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Forbes? Really? Really? Come on.
They should be analyzing things from a monetary standpoint, rather than a jump-on-the-bandwagon and make fun of the Mets. The fact that the author says in his second paragraph that the Mets are “a top-five revenue club”, he is in effect debunking what he says in his first paragraph, that Fred Wilpon is possibly baseball’s worst owner. Hell, there are so many problems in this article, it’s astounding.
“[Fred Wilpon] and his apparent obsession with the Yankees”? If he has an obsession with another team that is not the Mets, it’s the Dodgers. Come on, let’s be honest.
“The Mets have become a franchise with a handful of stars supported by a soft underbelly, without any real foundation since the farm system produced the likes of Dwight Gooden, Darryl Strawberry and Lenny Dykstra in the 1980s” David Wright? Jose Reyes? Scott Kazmir (who was traded away, but was developed by the club nonetheless)? A case can be made for Jason Isringhausen, Benny Agbayani, Melvin Mora, Marco Scutaro, and a bunch of other players. I don’t see how a farm system that isn’t necessarily very fruitful has any correlation between a team having a “soft underbelly”, or a team having no “real foundation”, either.
Bleh, there’s no reason to go on. Look at some of the comments that article received at their website, and there you go…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 9, 2010 7:28 PM EST reply actions
For what it's worth
the knicks are top in revenue and have been most of the decade despite the awful ownership job. also I think players like Isringhausen and Kazmir who were traded away for quick fixes would fit into his argument.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Disagreed on both points. I don't see much substance in either point.
Forbes is a money magazine, so we’re supposed to be talking about money here. It doesn’t make sense to say that a team owner who is in the top-five, in terms of revenue production, is doing something wrong, in terms of producing revenue. Could revenue be higher, if the team didn’t have as many deficiencies as it has? Yeah, probably. Are they being helped by the fact that this is New York, tickets are expensive, and there are a lot of die-hard fans who are going to turn out no matter what? Yes, to a degree. The latter occurs in mostly every sporting team, however. The Pirates have been mired in losing for so, so long now, but people still show up to Pirates games, buy Pirates season tickets, and so forth. I’d posit, though, that a guy like David Glass, the Royals’ owner, is a worse owner, having fostered an antagonistic attitude with the K.C. media, and having invested very little in the team, when perfectly capable of doing so, investing his own funds to yield a team a lot more capable of winning. What the team does on the field might not be optimum, but the owners put money into the team, to varying degrees, in different departments. I’d characterize a good owner as any owner that does that, while categorizing a bad owner as someone who siphons funds from the team to line his/her/their own pockets.
The article says, as I am understanding it, that the farm system has produced players who are, for a lack of better terms, subpar, for whatever reason, with Doc Gooden, Darryl Strawberry and Lenny Dykstra being the last “batch” of players to come out of it who were worth a damn. Even if a player is traded away, the Mets farm system is where they were ‘nurtured’, where they were “produced”. Scott Kazmir has been helping the Devil Rays and the Angels, but, his scouting and development stems from the Mets organization. And, that’s not saying anything of the players who were developed in our Minor League, and are still here, like David Wright, or Jose Reyes, or players who have potentially bright upsides who are on the cusp of being promoted, like Fernando Martinez.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 9, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'd argue
that the Wilpons likely haven’t invested anymore of their own money in the mets than KC’s owner has. The Mets market and revenue supports their own payroll and KC’s revenue support theirs payroll. It doesn’t make sense to expect an owner in a smaller city to come out of pocket to provide payrolls their markets can’t support. As far as I can tell there’s no proof the mets have, they’re not even willing to go over the lt, so why would you hold KC’s owner to that standard? Not to mention the mets don’t exactly have a better track record with media relations.
And I agree about the article being wrong about who the system has produced but his point was that rather than taking a step back and rebuilding, as in giving prospects a chance, the mets, have been trying to compete every year. So rather than valuing draft picks they’ve signed big name type A’s who might not be worth it, like the picks we sacrificed for K-rod and friggin Moises Alou or the picks we could have gotten by letting Ollie walk, and traded away some prospects, which hasn’t happened as much in recent years, in order to try and compete every year and avoid rebuilding.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Forbes isn't just a "money magazine"
It’s a business publication… just focusing on things from a monetary perspective would be incredibly narrow-minded and would not tell the entire story.
Second, being a top-five revenue club does not guarantee that you are running a successful business. Any dipshit could run the Mets and bring in a ton of revenue, thanks to the large market.
Lastly, the worst farm system ever could conceivably have a few solid, even great players come out of it every so often. While I believe the Mets farm system is underappreciated by the media and general public, it still is not a well-run system. It is consistently a middling-to below average system in terms of overall talent. Additionally, the team failed to have decent enough slightly-above replacement level players from AAA to be replacements last season (naturally, this appears to be the one hole Omar chose to fix this off-season). Overall, the Mets appear to do a good job in terms of international scouting/signing (Reyes, Martinez, Mejia, Flores, Pena, etc) but an awful job in the draft (yes, it did produce Wright, Kazmir, Davis, etc., but refusing to pay overslot is just stupid).
"For $11.4 million you can actually get a good player. But of course this is one of the things foolish organizations do: They complain that they can't afford good players after spending millions of dollars on not-good players." --Rob Neyer
by boom_roasted on Feb 10, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Forbes is a joke of a money magazine
and I doubt this article will improve their rep for sports knowledge
This article is extremely weak.
Philips tried the “massive” overhaul just once and failed miserably.
by Olde Isle Mets Fan on Feb 10, 2010 12:05 AM EST reply actions
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