Bernazard's Ridiculous "Oppo" Plan
John Harper at the Daily News wrote about Tony Bernazard's organizational emphasis on hitting the ball to the opposite field, starting after the 2008 season. Before his firing, Bernazard was apparently so obsessed with players "going oppo" that he scolded them when they pulled the ball, even after a base hit. Others in the organization were convinced by this nonsense philosophy, which means one of three things:
(a) No one of consequence in management thought this idea ridiculous;
(b) Bernazard is Svengali-like in his control over others; or
(c) People did realize how dumb this idea was but were afraid of being put in the Bernazard camel clutch belly-to-back suplex if they disagreed.
Unfortunately, none of these choices would surprise if actually true. Rob Neyer opined on this story, writing what is common sense to most fans (I think):
In the 21st century, if you don't pull the ball you're not going to win. It's (mostly) as simple as that.
Hitting the ball where it's pitched seems like the smart play. Trying to hit an inside pitch to the opposite field just for the sake of it is pretty dumb. Did this philosophy change affect Mets hitters? John Walsh at The Hardball Times cooked up a quick study and found that the Mets "pull fraction" was 27th out of 30 teams in MLB in 2009, meaning only three teams pulled the ball less. In the comments to the post, Derek Carty wrote that, per his data, the Mets were 1st in MLB in "push percentage" (percentage of balls hit to the opposite field) after being 5th lowest in 2008. In other words, they went from being an extreme pull-hitting team to an extreme push-hitting team in one season, with minimal roster turnover. Walsh also showed that David Wright, Carlos Beltran, Fernando Tatis and Ryan Church decreased their pull percentage from 2008 to 2009. Luis Castillo, hopefully sticking it to Bernazard, slightly increased his pull percentage. Good for Luis.
The importance of "going to the opposite field" is a mostly empty bromide that doesn't really make any sense but allows "baseball people" to feel smarter than fans and other outsiders to the game. Going the other way in itself is not bad, especially when appropriate, but it seems many analysts immediately point out that the reason a hitter is struggling is because he isn't going oppo, regardless if that's even the case. It's a lazy, go-to cliche that's used often used in lieu of real analysis of a hitter's problems and is up there with the "Mets have to build their team around speed and defense" mantra in terms of pointlessness. Howard Johnson said in the Harper piece that the opposite field philosophy no longer permeates the organization. Also, the infamous 80-pitch drill has disappeared from camp. This is great news and hopefully any lingering Bernazard pearls of wisdom have been excommunicated, much like their creator was this past summer.
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I eagerly await Bernazard 's arrival in Kansas City
I look forward to watching Alex Gordon finally having a 2 home run game, then getting screamed at and tackled by Shirtless Assistant (to the) GM Tony Bernazard
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It seems like Jerry, Omar & co. outthunk themselves
I don’t get why the Mets did this exercise. As you alluded to James, it makes sense to “hit the ball where it’s pitched.” Going to the opposite field for no real reason is overkill. Going off what you presented, I think this extreme opposite field approach by the Mets is the primary reason they couldn’t hit HRs last year instead of “Citi Field is a deathtrap!!!”
Coming this April, fun times with Jeff and Gary!
to be fair
David Wright obviously needed to change something after his disastrous .302/.390/.534 campaign in 2008.
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by Matt Klaassen on Mar 1, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What a choke artist
look at 2007. I don’t care what the numbers say (ops ~1100) he couldn’t will that team to victory!
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Mar 1, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not entirely convinced that this was all Tony B.
Somehow I have a feeling that Jerry was all for it as well, as he started alluding to it right after he took over for Willie. While it may have been something Tony B believed in, I’d guess that the organization is just trying to assign blame for Jerry’s stupid 80 pitch drill to someone who’s no longer there. Seems like a typical front office type of spin.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
and they're not even that good at spinning it
basically saying they allowed a guy who’s supposed to be concerned with the minor leagues completely dictate their major league organizational approach. i feel like that makes them look much worse than it does Tony B.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
When you make a time line of all this crap ...
it just makes for such a compelling case, IMHO, for how screwed up this organization is.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I seem to remember him saying that, but I can't find any article backing that up.
I did find a quote from 2008 that said he wanted Wright to be more liberal with his strikezone.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 1, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 1, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
This.
A thousand times this.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Mar 2, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Bigger question
why is the vice president of player development this involved in training camp to begin with. The mets make my head hurt so much.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I think it goes back
to what Steve Phillips(God help me) said. The Mets don’t have a sole voice that runs everything per se, but it’s a voice here, a voice there etc. & they’re all providing input as to what should be done instead of the GM leading the way.
Coming this April, fun times with Jeff and Gary!
who cares where the ball is hit
as long as it is a hit
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
holy shit
the stupidity is an endless blackhole of sorrow. continually sucking up the nearby glimmers of hope.
douchion = -(grission)
Your beautiful poetry is prime evidence ...
that great art is inspired by human tragedy. You are now Knighted as our resident Mets poet laureate,“Sir HoJoNeff.”
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
This makes the coaching staff look like idiots
Either they went along with an incredibly stupid idea or they are so powerless that they can’t actually make decisions for themselves. Either way it’s hard to have faith in these guys.
I don't know that it took this to get there
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 1, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah we already had no faith
it’s just everytime we think the bar can’t get lower, they lower it. Now next year we’ll just be happy to hear that rogue shirtless officials aren’t implementing useless detrimental drills in spring training for no apparent reason.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
by Gina on Mar 1, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those are steps in the right direction, damn it!
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 1, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd
Gina, I’m using this quote for my signature. It’s classic.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Mar 2, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
The legend of Tony B. continues to grow.
Perhaps he’ll turn into our version of Keyser Soze, being blamed for everything that goes wrong in the organization, no matter how absurd. Someday, we may find out that Tony was driving Sanchez’ cab, or recommended his favorite all-night Cuban restaurant.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 1, 2010 8:58 PM EST reply actions
Tony B. disguised himself as Tom Glavine and started Game 162 in 2007.
Tony B. told Carlos Beltran that only a fool would swing at Adam Wainwright’s curveball.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Mar 1, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Tony B might have been right about that curveball.
He wouldn’t have hit that thing anyway.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 1, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
That's poor, Tony B. That's poor.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 1, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer to think of him as Tyler Durden
The shirtless fighting part is obvious, but while Tony B was there, it appears that the first rule of “going oppo” was that you do not talk about “going oppo” (to tell him how stupid an idea it is).
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Mar 1, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
If you don't want the end to Fight Club ruined, don't read this
But does that make Tony B. actually Omar all along?
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
Tony B is Jeff
Omar is Marla?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
holy moly
It;s frightening to think how much omar depended on this guy. Ouote from omar to Mike F
’ the team has a chance this year if they stay healthy and half the philly line up goes down.
wait did he actually say that?
cause if he did he’s I want him signed to a ten year extension.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
what a fakakta organization
please somebody competent buy this team from the wilpons and clean house.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
that is the weirdest phonetic Yiddish I've ever seen
Your verkakte got a little verkakte there somehow.
so what do i know this yiddish, hmm?
at least wikipedia would agree that i’m not the only goy to spell it with an F. still forgot the silent R though.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
That's the beauty
of a language that uses an entirely different alphabet. And oy, am I a shepping naches from this thread.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
One that uses an alphabet without vowels! Screw vowels!
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 2, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
That's why we're better in Jeopardy than in Wheel of Fortune
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
For the record,
Yiddish (and Hebrew) actually do have vowels. However, they are in the margins (either below, on top or alongside the letter) as a pronunciation guide. Hebrew prayer books include vowels. However, Torah scrolls and the Talmud do not. Neither do modern Hebrew writings (books, newspapers, magazines, etc.) S thr.
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Given that I only know basic Yiddish, and basic Hebrew from school, too often do I combine the two into one mush-most language unintentionally.
Yiddish, being very German, has vowels. It is Hebrew that technically doesn’t have true letters for them, yes.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 2, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Pulling the ball and hitting to opposite field
Both are signs of weakness. Between self indulgence and self denial there is the middle way.
In Other Words
use The Force?
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
In keeping up with the 'Yiddish theme', the Schwartz.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 2, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
I'll take some liquid Schwartz for the road
"I've been trying transcendental meditation, and that helps me be passive and wait on the curve. I've got to find something else to hit the slider." - George (The Stork) Theodore
Rec'd for this:
Luis Castillo, hopefully sticking it to Bernazard, slightly increased his pull percentage. Good for Luis.
But seriously, I can only hope this is more gutless blame-the-last-guy-out-the-door stuff from the Mets (and I think it is). The alternative — that they let this clown dictate organizational philosophy (a stupid one at that) — is frightening.
One more thing...
What also really bothers me is how Harper just blindly transcribes this stuff from HoJo and his “sources within the organization.” Despite the fact it’s incredibly convenient and self-serving (and never came up last year), he apparently just takes it at face value and runs with it. Probably had an early afternoon tee time and couldn’t be bothered with worrying about his sourcess motivations or common sense.
As a columnist he has the latitude to at least point out the agendas at play here, but chooses not to.
"A fly ball hit to the batter's pull field is more than six times as likely to leave the park as a fly ball hit to center or the opposite field, and flyball BABIP improves by over 50 points to the pull field."
Confessions of a DIPS apostate
Also, the infamous 80-pitch drill has disappeared from camp.
Now replaced by a 40-pitch drill (still all curveballs): 10 oppo, 10 center, 10 pull, 10 freestyle.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
that's not bad though
I mean, like James said, being able to hit the ball the opposite way on outside pitches is a good skill to have, but trying to hit everything the opposite way is just stupid.
2009 Did Not Happen
Freestyle, I assume, is where ever you want?
I don’t see a drill where you go opposite, center, pull, and whatever feels the most natural as a bad thing. Sounds good to me.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 2, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Choosing to bunt on the 10 freestyles is a good way to earn "Jerry points"
by James Kannengieser on Mar 2, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
They were asking for "line drives". If you are gangsta enough to hit line drives using bunt, they are fine by it.
Can anyone think of a reason they are using only curveballs?
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
Using cheat codes for...MLB 2005 (? The one with Manny on the cover), I enjoyed doing that.
Any hit would automatically be a home run. Somehow, bunts rocketed off of bats, 460 feet into the stands.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 2, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
So I picked up the new version of "The Show" today, and Francoeur is pretty awesome
I was kind of shocked
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 2, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well he has all the tools talent/athletiscm wise
It’s more how he puts them together mentally. It’s kind of like how on Madden there’s always qbs with like cannons for arms and all the tools they’re just idiots irl so they go super low in the draft or are at the bottom of depth charts, but when you control them you can make them all-stars.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Actually the Barajas/Francouer/Jacobs trifecta at the bottom of the order is really good.
There ratings get hurt a lot because of their free swinging, but that really doesn’t matter when I’m playing. Omar had a hell of a season building a video game roster.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 2, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe that's the problem?
It’s not that Omar’s behind the times, it’s that he’s TOO advanced and keeps forgetting that he has to actually put Frenchy, Barajas and Jacobs on the field to make their own decisions, and that we can’t build bionic limbs for Moises Alou yet.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
yea, I'd imagine in a game where taking walks is virtually impossible
the difference between Jeff Francouer and, say, Adam Dunn is mostly negated. In fact, depending on his fielding ratings, Francouer may even be a better video game player than Dunn.
2009 Did Not Happen
Luis Castillo is virtually worthless.
Nick Johnson is a joke as well.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 3, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
The Mets remind me of a girl who was really hot and seemed really nice
and you thought things were going great (2006), and then, a little crack appeared, she had a crazy meltdown (2007), but you thought it was a one-time thing, you could get past it, and then it happened again (2008), though not quite on the same scale, and at that point you were too invested in the relationship to get out, and then all of a sudden all hell broke loose and she set your car on fire, threw your clothes in the dumpster, shaved her hair & eyebrows, told all of your friends all of the bad things you’d ever said about them, and then went and started sleeping with every guy you’ve ever known…and for some reason, you just won’t leave her.
2009 Did Not Happen
by cjmulrain on Mar 2, 2010 10:26 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
If only I could rec this more than once
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 2, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Fangraphs did a pretty good analysis of this theory
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
excuses
Tony Bernazard was also found to be behind the Nolan Ryan trade,drafting Steve Chilcott ahead of Reggie Jackson,the Tom Seaver trade,lending Cleon Jones the van,hiring Art Howe,supplying bleach and firecrackers to players,telling GoodenThe scouting report on Mike Scioscia,started Straw and Doc on recreational drugs as a new way to make new friends,Taught Doug Sisk to throw that sinker.told Beltran to take the curveball,reminded Willie randolph he wasn’t Latin,said to team in 2007 and 2008 no one will catch us and started the new stretching routine in 2009.He was also responsible in teaching the Mets to bat .135 with the bases loaded in 2009.good riddance Tough Tony.

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