Open Thread: Mets vs Braves, 3/10/2010
The Mets take on the Braves today in Lake Buena Vista, where they apparently don't allow video cameras. You can listen to the game or follow using gameday.
Jon Niese starts for the Mets, and will be followed by Fernando Nieve, Nelson Figueroa, Bobby Parnell, Eddie Kunz, and Eric Niesen.
With 13 long balls so far this spring, the Mets are tied with the Orioles for the most in the "majors". It doesn't mean much, but after 2009's home run impotence it's nice to see a few, ahem, balls leaving the yard.
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Can anybody check
how many HR the Mets hit in ST last year?
Might provide somewhat of a barometer of somethingorother…
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
I know Wright hit zero last spring
it was an early alarm bell. I think he hit maybe hit 1 in a scrimmage vs. Michigan and that was it.
by Mackey Sasser on Mar 10, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
What happened to Brad Holt?
I thought he was going to get some innings last week?
He wasn't invited to MLB camp
So I imagine it was partly just in case they needed someone to fill some innings on a road trip, and since they didn’t he’s back in minor league camp stretching out.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
funny how much can change in a year
last spring training, everyone thought we busted on Ike Davis, but at least we had Holt and Havens to make up for it. Now, Ike is clearly the top prospect of the three of them, and there are some warning signs about how good Holt and/or Havens are actually going to be.
2009 Did Not Happen
Did you not read the AAA?
Mark and Sam had Reese at 4 and Davis at 6. I agree with you though, I think Davis is our third best prospect.
haven't gotten to the prospect section yet
personally, I love Havens, but I don’t see how he could possibly be ranked above Davis right now. He’s got injury concerns, and when healthy has never hit as well as Davis hit last year. Add in the fact that Davis has a legit shot of helping out the big league club this year and Havens wasn’t even invited to ML camp, and I don’t think it’s all that close, unless you’re really valuing long-term potential and really debiting Ike for being a first baseman. I could easily see Havens having a better pro career than Davis, but I also think it’s much more likely that he never makes an impact at the ML level. Davis is proving that, at the very least, he’s going to be in the majors soon and will probably be able to hit at least a little.
2009 Did Not Happen
"Chris Carter homers (1) on a fly ball to right field. Daniel Murphy scores. Two out."
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
And boom goes the dynamite
Off a real MLB pitcher no less
by James Kannengieser on Mar 10, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
A few more and Jerry might actually have to put down “The Essential Gandhi” and pay attention
by Bieser's Balk on Mar 10, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
When he does
He’ll likely ask when the Mets signed that guy who used to play for the Vikings.
by dontstopbelieving on Mar 10, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
As the Seinfeld George Steinbrenner would say
“Hire this man!”
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
did the A's Chris Carter
somehow get lost and end up on the mets?
Chris Carter
strokes it to the east, he strokes it to the west, he strokes it to the woman that he loves best.
One reason I don't think Lopez/Hudson are here
Cerrone says it’s likely that Murph will eventually move over there too, for when Ike comes up.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
I'd like to see that.
Murphy needs to get some actual experience at second first, though. A few AFL games and a wish and a dream really aren’t enough. Second base isn’t really the kind of position you can randomly move people do and expect them to do good- I bet he’d be better than Luis Castillo, though.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 10, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Will be interesting
to read the postgame quotes if Figgy/Nieve perform well. I like Niese but would be happy to see Figgy be given a real shot at keeping the job with Niese getting a little more time at AAA…odds are we’ll need Niese eventually when/if Maine gets hurt and/or the organization’s patience with Ollie runs out.
by dontstopbelieving on Mar 10, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry maybe off-topic. Do you guys get the commercials?
Or are they blacked out on mlb.com in the US?
are you for the pigbull tripetreshen
does gameday exist for this one?
I can’t find it, going with radio feed
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 10, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Braves radio broadcast
On mlb.com
are you for the pigbull tripetreshen
by metfanintheuk on Mar 10, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2010_03_10_nynmlb_atlmlb_1
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
Yeah I don't understand why they're not putting the link up on Mets.com or the MLB.com homepage
But if you go to the gameday homepage they’re all there (I just googled MLB gameday to get to it).
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
My completely speculative guess is
that during spring training (1) they might tinker with/test the product, and/or (2) they don’t have the same number of/caliber of people doing the data entry so the product necessarily won’t be as high-quality as what one would get in the regular season. If so, they might be worried about diluting the Gameday brand/reputation – not enough to make it unavailable entirely, but enough not to make the link easily available.
by dontstopbelieving on Mar 10, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I guess thats possible
Just seems a little strange to go such an in between route, especially knowing how many people rely on gameday especially for afternoon games, which all of these obviously are.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
thanks, easier to watch gameday at work than listen to radio
forgot my headphones.
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 10, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Also it actually seems to be working properly today
No Pitch F/X obviously, but in terms of pitch counts and sequencing balls, strikes, and balls in play its tracking the pitches properly it seems.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
what happens
if tejada, havens and flores all turn out to be good?
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
awesomeness
Tejada should be in the majors by late 2011; Havens probably 2012, Flores maybe 2012 or 2013
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Mar 10, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Tejada
should at least get a cup of coffee this year. He’ll be in AAA to start the year.
I don't necessarily think it would hurt him
But they don’t have to start his clock so early. It might make sense, but I doubt he gets called up just for the sake of a September callup if they don’t really need him.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
depends
I guess that’s so. I think he has the inside track for 2b next year, so they may want to see what they have and damn the clock.
Maybe, but if so it would be almost excusively for his glove
I doubt he’s a .330 wOBA MLBer at age 21. I’m more in the camp that Tejada’s a future second division starter or a super useful first division bench player who can play all over the infield and expect 50-100 starts in a given year.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
but I think he would just be keeping it warm for Reese havens anyway.
Possibly
Who knows, if Havens can stay healthy, he could be in Triple-A by midseason this year anyway. He really was a beast last year, but between the FSL and hitting a few too many popups, it was obscured. He’ll be facing many of the same pitchers next year, but this time, he’ll have a much shorter RF to shoot for and the nasty Florida weather patterns and big parks won’t be there to contain him so much. He should at the very least be in big league camp next spring, perhaps even with a chance to win the job.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
but depending on what he does this year, getting rid of him will be much less daunting with just one year and $6 mil left on his contract. If he’s awful, cutting him is a more realistic option, and if he’s good, trading him might actually be possible. The toughest scenario is if he’s like 1.0 WAR over the full season, kinda in between, cause then you can make a case for keeping him and no one’s gonna wanna trade for him.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I guess its much easier for the mets to cut him with one year left. I guess the best argument would be that if they don’t win a lot, there’s a chance there is a new regime in place that would’ve cut Castillo two offseasons ago.
Anyways, If Omar’s still around and does manage to offload Castillo, wouldn’t he just then sign Hudson, who will be a FA again, regardless of how smart/dumb that signing would be just because he knows that the media has wanted him for two years?
I guess I’m saying I dont think that Tejada or Havens will be the Mets starting 2B next April.
Possible
But I do think Havens really isn’t that much less likely to be ready in 2011 than Tejada, if he can stay healthy of course. If its Omar you’re probably right, it’ll be a year of O-Dog with a ridiculous vesting option or something.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
fun with mle's
I was translating guys lines to the Cal league.
Tejada’s line translated from Bing to Lancaster (more age appropriate but a major inflator):
.348/.420/.462
Havens luck and adjusted to Lancaster:
.340/.463/.572.
No wonder Alex Liddi isn’t that highly touted.
And Havens?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Mar 10, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're underestimating Havens
I can see him being up in 2011, but that may be a best-case scenario.
Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.
I think Niese will be in AAA
even if he does perform well, just because he still has options remaining
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
agreed
its the smartest move assuming figgy or Nieve show they can handle the 5th starter role
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 10, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
smartest move
does not necessarily correlate with what the Mets will actually do.
by dontstopbelieving on Mar 10, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
watch Figgy get DFA'ed
again
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Mar 10, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I really hope not
One would think that given his performance last year, over the winter, ST thus far, one of the savvier teams out there would grab him. Then again, I was surprised he wasn’t picked up the last time they DFA’d him.
by dontstopbelieving on Mar 10, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but that was also before he had a (mostly) ful dominant Triple-A season
An awesome end of 2009 in the majors, and such a great winter league. I had a hard time believing he wasn’t claimed a year ago, its gotta be virtually impossible now that if he’s put through waviers he isn’t claimed.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
he'd be gone in a heartbeat if they tried to have him clear again
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 10, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
He’s gotten enough exposure that someone would have to bite, at this point.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I like Nieve better in the bullpen
If I had to choose between Figgy or Nieve for pen, I’d choose Nieve, mainly because he only needs 2 pitches in the pen.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Mar 10, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
That's exactly why I don't really want Figueroa in the bullpen!
Figueroa, he can pitch out of the bullpen, obviously, but if we put him in there to start the season, I don’t think we’re using him in the best way.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Nieve relieving Niese
is almost as good as Bobby M. Jones coming in for Bobby J. Jones.
by dontstopbelieving on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
In that case
they really should have ordered it Niesen-Niese-Nieve to ensure that each pitching change involved only one letter.
by dontstopbelieving on Mar 10, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Also
We could have borrowed Wil Nieves from the Nats to catch.
by dontstopbelieving on Mar 10, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Aren't you supposed to bring 5 major league regulars with you?
Doesn’t the failure to do so get a strongly worded protest from the commisioner’s office?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Adam Rubin tweeted that an MLB official took notice of it today
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well Murphy and Santos are technically regulars from last year
and Parnell, Nieve, Niese and Figueroa are regulars
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Mar 10, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe this is why the Mets refuse to pay over slot
So they can take less regulars on a minor league roadtrip with no consequences.
Nieve has walked 2 so far
I know it’s Spring Training but for me his walks make him an unattractive option for the rotation.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
And now 3 runs
Figgy, the door is wide open.
by dontstopbelieving on Mar 10, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Nieve and Niese posted the same line this game
2IP, 3hits, 3ER, 2BB, 0K, 0HR
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
Niese and Nieve same line
interesting
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Mar 10, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
so this is basically
the major league braves against the buffalo bisons
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
Time for Figgy to make his move
I always thought this should be a Niese-Figgy competition. Don’t really understand the Nieve love.
Oooh Look 2.95 ERA
shiny
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Mar 10, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Live arm, still pretty young
Nieve deserves a shot just as much as the others
by TheBigStapler on Mar 10, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Mets Bench
Until Beltran comes back, it should be this, right?:
GMJr. Blanco (personally, I’d rather see Coste make the team)
Tatis
Cora
Carter
It has to be that, doesn’t it? And if they go with 11 pitchers, maybe Evans, Pridie or Adams.
Then if/when either Barajas or Blanco get hurt, we can call Thole up.
Why Coste? He's not really good at anything
At least Blanco’s a good defender.
I’d also rather see Pridie than GMJr, but thats unlikely.
If Jacobs makes the team over Carter I’ll be very upset.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Blanco
just seems like a slug. His arm looks like crap, too.
by Mackey Sasser on Mar 10, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
get ready to be upset
I also think Carter’s the easy choice. but remember who is making this choice. Mike Jacobs is gansta.
Agree with the other two assesments though. Blanco is much better than Coste and Sarge Jr. just makes me shake my head in disbelief. If we wouldnt have made the trade if Cory Sullivan had re-signed, then why make the trade at all. Really Omar, Cory Sullivan would’ve made you feel like you had center covered but NO ONE else in this organization does?
First 4 seem like givens
Carter seems like a longshot.
by James Kannengieser on Mar 10, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Although
His last couple of games (including this one), combined with Jacobs having done absolutely nothing so far, have to have opened some eyes. Here’s hoping.
by dontstopbelieving on Mar 10, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
He's gotta be getting some attention from the brass by now doesn't he?
I know the media is basically ignoring him, but he’s looking pretty good.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
If Omir caught everyone's attention last spring with a few meaningless homers...
you would hope they’re paying attention now with someone who could actually help the team
by Bieser's Balk on Mar 10, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
At least Carter could play some OF
What’s the point in carrying Jacobs? Another lefthanded hitting 1b when they already have Tatis to give Murphy days off at 1st. Seems very redundant. Carter could give Francouer the occasional day off.
by Mackey Sasser on Mar 10, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Here's what I dont understand
This is the team that plays guys because of how much money they make — whether because they refuse to eat money or because they want to save face. And in Carter you have basically your only return for giving up two Top 40 draft picks. So all things being equal, you’d think they’d rather have Carter make the club, to show they got something for Wagner. Instead, they seem to be leaning to the guy they signed to a minor league deal.
by Bieser's Balk on Mar 10, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, it makes no sense
Its guided (I think) out of some beleif that they can still use Carter in AAA, but that Jacobs is long gone if they don’t let him stick with the big club. I’d say Carter has to continue the pace he’s set and Jacobs needs to stink for it to work out the way that would be an easy decision for most clubs.
The problem is that they're so loaded with 1B/COF types For Triple-A
Depth shouldn’t be a concern, if anything its becoming a problem. Assuming Pridie doesn’t make the majors, that puts him in Triple-A CF. F-Mart probably then gets RF, Ike gets first base, Bowman gets third base. Then you have to fit Chris Carter and Mike Hessman into LF, who are both very useful depth pieces if they don’t make the major league roster, not to mention Lucas Duda, who spent pretty much all year in Double-A and not only had a decent year but improved in the second half. Duda may have to repeat Double-A and play LF, though he doesn’t need to. He’ll have Nieuwenhuis in CF and most likely Carlos Guzman in RF, Zach Lutz at third base, and perhaps Stefan Welch at first. Those last three guys may not be very well known, but they’re the three biggest offensive sleepers in the organization above A-ball. They all had very good, under-the-radar years last year.
I call this a problem because many of these guys could be superior options to both Daniel Murphy and Mike Jacobs in the not-too-distant future, and a few are almost certainly already better than Jacobs.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
"could be superior options to both Daniel Murphy and Mike Jacobs"
and Francoeur.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
I agree completely
Its the new verison of “Now We Have 2 Closers.” Last year everyone was on them about the lack of depth, now they have all this depth blocked by inferior MLB players.
Also some guy named like, Mick Evans or something
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently Carter is also intense
and doesn’t let anyone touch his bats, etc. Maybe Omar will finally see that “edge” he’s been looking for in him, ha ha!
Nieve is batting?
Why is there a DH at Mets ST home games but apparently not at Atlanta ST home games?
All Chris Carter does
is get on base… and catch TDs.
5th Starting Spot
for the love of god Manuel. Put Figgy in. Or at least Takahashi. they can throw strikes!
I lobby for Chris Carter more than I lobby for Nick Evans.
Has he even played a ST game yet? I’ve only watched two, but I don’t recall him doing anything of any interest anywhere- the story of his life, methinks.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions
Evans is hurt...Strained forearm
He likely will be out another week
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
who?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Mar 10, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
That's wacky.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 10, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Niesen actually only allowed 1 ER
The other two got waived off when Freeman joined the mob at first (kind of the Robin Ventura situation)
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?


























