Jenrry Mejia Lunacy
Via Adam Rubin:
Look for Manuel to get his way with Jenrry Mejia, at least as far as working the 20-year-old righthander as a reliever from this point forward in camp. If Mejia does end up with Double-A Binghamton, it’s likely he won’t be ready to enter the rotation immediately there, since he won’t be stretched out. My expectation is that from this point forward in camp, Mejia will work as a reliever rather than get three-, four- or five-inning work.
Perhaps "lunacy" is a strong word but I have little confidence that Mets brass will properly handle Mejia.
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JEEBUS!
I asked this last year and I think it bears repeating:
Which — do you think — is worse: pity or ridicule?
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
At least with ridicule,
one can pretend that the offender doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Feeling another’s pity, though? Dagger in the heart.
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You have got to be kidding me
Taking a B+ to A starting pitching prospect and turn him into an average to above average reliever.
What happens in five years when Santana is no longer Ace material? We have a pitcher capable of being a home-grown Ace for years to come. WHY RUIN HIM NOW!
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
Because it's the Mets
And Jerry and Omar are still employed.
What is this the third week of Spring training and I already wish to see the two headed monster killed?
AHHHHHHH!
Jerry and Omar assclowns for life
by Ghost of seven in a row on Mar 11, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Oy.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Mar 10, 2010 5:46 PM EST reply actions
I was watching SNY earlier
and John Harper said basically the opposite, that he didn’t think that Mejia was going to actually wind up on the Major League team after ST.
Who to believe?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 10, 2010 5:46 PM EST reply actions
Jesus Christ
Jerry, I hate you and wish terrible things upon you. Minaya and Wilpon, you spineless morons.
He is no longer the gangsta
He is the OFFENDA!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Mar 10, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Rubin is full of good news today
“Manuel has tabbed Carter “the animal” for his early arrivals and intense workouts. Still, he’s at a disadvantage in claiming the final bench spot, since the primary combatants are considered Mike Jacobs and Frank Catalanotto."
Really, competing against Jacobs puts one at a disadvantage?
Why should this be in Manuel's hands to begin with?
Doesn’t it seem like there’s some kind of deep organizational problem here? When did they put the big-league skipper — especially a skipper whose primary virtue is supposed to be his steady personality, not his deep baseball acumen — in charge of stud pitching prospects’ development and handling? Shouldn’t there be a player-development person/office whose job it is to dictate to Manuel how Mejia is handled?
you are implying
that our front office is capable of such actions.
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
not at all
I just expected that Omar would be the one mishandling Mejia’s development here.
They let the VP of player development
dictate hitting philosophies for the major league team. Is it that surprising it apparently works in the other direction too?
I really feel like at this point even if our gm isn’t the worse, there’s no way we’re not by far the worst total organization in MLB.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
you may well be right
From every indication I can see, whatever the job titles imply, the org chart at this point is a pile of spaghetti. Petty intra-organizational turf wars, no clearly defined responsibilities even for the people who are supposed to be in charge, and any given decision, at any level, might actually have been made by Jeff Wilpon.
There is a proliferation of yes men in the front office
Apparently there is no dissenting opinion or challenging of Jeff Wilpon and Co. It has been this way for years. Think about it, should Mike Pelfrey have been called up with just his heavy fastball and 2 average secondary pitches? If this front office was about developing pitchers we would see evidence on that goal but we only see failure and mismanagement.
Well pelfrey had 2 fastballs
and he’d been in the minors for a while with little improvement on his off-speed pitches.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
They also let the VP of player development
take off his shirt and challenge players to fights.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
and its pretty amazin' that it took intense media pressure for him to be fired after that
On his property, Mr. Frazier has created a number of places to unwind — or as he said, "just chill."
by inventor frank on Mar 11, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Jerry doesn't make good decisions when he's not under pressure
Now both he and Minaya are under a ton of pressure. What kind of decisions are they going to make now?
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
We need to hold a no Jenrry in te bullpen rally
like I said before, no matter how low we set the bar the Mets manage to set it lower.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
or a No Jerry in the dugout rally
by Bieser's Balk on Mar 10, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't rec this two hundred times. i would if i could!
Fire the Offenda NOW!!!!
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Mar 10, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
What the hell?
This is ridiculous. Even if you wanted to entertain him in the pen on opening day – stupid, but the Mets are stupid – why not still allow him to work as a starter in ST? That way if he doesn’t make the team out of the spring then he doesn’t need to waste time stretching out during the actual AA season.
I cannot believe this. So do we have to root against Mejia in ST from now on? That way the Mets are protected against themselves? Awful.
This would be a horrible decision
The shortsightedness of this organization is enough to drive one to madness. We already have a bunch of arms that could fill bullpen spots, why take the chance on stunting the progress of one of our best starting prospects to fill in the 8th inning role? Maybe Rubin just lobby to get the fans mad so they’ll fire Omar and he can take his place?
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 10, 2010 6:07 PM EST reply actions
This isn't the end of the world
While I don’t agree with bringing him up now, I do feel that if Mejia succeeds as a reliever you use him because there is no certainty Mejia that will become an ace. That being said, Mejia will get shelled later in the spring and reality will win out over euphoria.
Even if he only becomes a #3 starter
that’s about as valuable as top tier bullpen arms. And why would you put him in the bullpen before he’s proven he can’t be a starting pitcher? All you’re doing is making it even less likely by throwing away weeks/months of development.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Agreed completely but I have no faith in the Mets to develop an ace pitcher
Actually I fear for Mejia no matter what they choose to do with him.
converting him to a reliever before he's ever given a chance to be a starter though is a waste
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 10, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
not the end of the world
Not the best way to groom him as a starter eventually, but nothing really precludes him from relieving this year and being converted to starter later. I know everyone will point to Joba, etc., and I agree this is sub-optimum, but it absolutely does not preclude him eventually being a great starter, or a good starter, whatever his ceiling is.
This is disappointing. It may delay his development. Maybe it ruins him. But I doubt the latter. Maybe he sets up this year and then gets stretched out and slowly turned into a starter next year, even if it is at the major league level and he struggles at first.
OK, I am putting down the rose-colored glasses. It’s spring and I am rationalizing.
Jerry is reminding me more and more of Brian Fellows. It could be the glasses.
the problem is if his off-speed pitches aren't even consistent against minor leaguers
yet. Do you really think he’s going to be throwing many of them in the bullpen? The problem isn’t that you can’t bring up a starter in the bullpen and eventually stretch him out to start, it’s that the pitchers off-speed pitches need to be further along than Meija’s are at this point. If Jerry’s and the coaching staff, and apparently Omar’s main focus is “win now” they’re not going to be focusing on Meija developing his off-speed stuff out of the bullpen in game situations because they know they’ll get torched against ML hitters. So he’ll likely exclusively throw his fastball, and we’ll be left with another pitcher with a limited arsenal.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
yes
That’s a valid point. And i agree it isn’t optimum. He may struggle at first when or if they try to move him back, if they actually even go this route.
When Ryan came up the Mets used him as a starter and a reliever a few years. he was young. Had a lightning arm, of course, but was extremely wild.
He had a great hook, too. But he didn’t control it.
Of course, the Angels, ’stros, et al reaped the benefits, not the Mets, but at least his arm was not abused young.
Very similar to Sandy Koufax’s development.
It took both of those guys a while to harness their stuff. Maybe because they were rushed and weren’t starting 40 games a year in the minors? I don’t know. Obviously, Mejia wouldn’t be given a massive workload in the minors even as a starter.
Those are ancient examples, of course. And yeah, Santana was more developed when he relieved. I suppose feliz already had more than 1 pitch as well last year.
In any event, i agree with you in general. I guess pray for the best and expect the worst from this kind of thing.
My point is more
he won’t struggle that mightily because they won’t have him throw his off-speed pitches because they know he’s not good enough. If I thought they would be willing to take the risk of losses in order to further his development I wouldn’t have as big an issue. My concern is that his off-speed pitches will never see the light of day because his fastball is good enough that he can probably dominate one inning of baseball with it.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
exactly
the pitch selection for relief is very different from that of a starter, not even taking into account he’ll get so much less work it will set him back a fair amount if we want to convert him to a starter later.
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 11, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
Not preferable. I’m just in a glass half-full mode right now.
I'm in a glass half full of poison mood
excuse my negativity
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 11, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Or at least not thrown with enough frequency to actually improve them
He may only pitch 20-30 more innings in the minor but my point would be that the innings he throws in the minors his off-speed pitches will get WAY more work than in the innings he throws up here. So even if he pitched an identical number of innings the volume of secondary pitches would be drastically different.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I agree with the first part of your post, and disagree with the end.
I don’t think he will get shelled, and even if he does, reality makes little difference in the Mets’ world.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
Think about how much God must love Jennry Mejia
if he becomes a great reliever after being in the Mets system. I’m starting to think the kid might be manifest destiny.
Omar will trade him for Derek Lee or something.
because we are very thin at first base.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
Please explain why you agree that if Mejia succeeds as a reliever you use him there
by James Kannengieser on Mar 10, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Mostly because there is no guarantee that he will make it as a starter.
I’m probably in the minority here at AA, but I think when a player sets the media on fire like this guy seems to be doing ( as opposed to just plain hype like Murphy last year ), you need to give that player every chance to make the team.
Also, given the Mets’ record with injuries, if the kid can succeed as a reliever, why wait until his arm falls off trying to make him a starter. Use him now, and let him get the experience however short it may be, and if it works then you start to groom him for more.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
risk vs. reward
Relief pitchers just aren’t anywhere near as valuable as good starters. If there’s a halfway decent chance he might turn into a good starter, that’s worth more than a certainty that he’ll be a decent reliever.
I can understand wanting to turn Jenrry into a reliever if he doesn't pan out as a starter
but why wouldn’t you give him the chance to make it as a starter first. If it doesn’t work, then to the pen with him for sure. But if you stop developing him as a starter so he can work the pen, it’s much harder to convert him back to a starter later if we decide to, and he loses a lot of development time in the process. I say give him his fair shot to be a starter, if he fails, then move him to relief, not the other way around.
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 11, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Mariano Rivera versus Jon Garland
Over the last 8 years Rivera has averaged 2.4 WAR a year. Garland has averaged 2.7. But i don’t necessarily believe that makes Garland more valuable. But probably a lot closer than most people realize, and maybe Garland has been more valuable just as that stat indicates. Rivera’s value may come more to the fore in the playoffs.
But I don’t think, even if this is not the optimum route, that Mejia’s chances of being an ace starter are foreclosed by him starting off as a set-up guy. Not the route I would go, but I don’t think this is necessarily a disaster.
it doesn't necessarily end any chance of him becoming an ace
but it means he loses a year he could be starting in AAA and sharpening his stuff. If they do change him back to a starter later it will take time for him to A)get stretched out, and B) learn to utilize his secondary pitches better.
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 11, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Because there's no evidence his arm will fall off?
he’s had no injury problems, and the problem is you can’t put a guy in the bullpen throw away months/a year of developing his offspeed pitches and expect to pick up where you left off.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
And most of the problems the mets have had with injuries
have been with injury prone players.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
So everyone that got hurt last year was "injury prone" ?
that explains it.
Thanks
you know what I'm sayin' ?
who wasn't?
Maybe Reyes but he was injury prone when he came up. Wright’s injury was a freak incident which they handled well. Santana wasn’t injury prone but he’s also a pitcher in his 30s who’s thrown a ton of innings so an injury shouldn’t be surprising. Who else wasn’t injury prone?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Ollie doesn't really have any history of injury
Neither did Cora or Niese. Alot of the injuries just came down to shitty luck.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
Yeah but Cora built his own cast
he doesn’t count. Niese was a freak injury but freak injuries are the type you should expect to happen, obviously you shouldn’t expect a specific freak injury but you should expect freak injuries will happen especially to pitchers. It’s just we had a bunch of injury prone players, who ended up getting injured, on top of the normal freak injuries that any MLB team is likely to suffer from season to season. it’s not like we had 10 totally healthy guys suffer freak injuries.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Reyes averaged 158 games over the 4 years before last year
Carlos Beltran averaged 152 since his 3rd season (and played 155 as a rookie and probably would have played about that many his second year if not for a demotion to the minors).
I think to call either of them “injury prone” is a stretch of the term. If either of them are injury prone, about 95% of the league is injury prone.
2009 Did Not Happen
Beltrans also in his 30s
and has had knee problems his entire career. He’s obviously not injury prone like someone like Nick Johnson is but when a player that’s had knee problems his entire career is in his 30s and has played as many games as Beltran has, at a very demanding position, it wouldn’t shouldn’t be shocking that the knees suddenly cause him to miss a huge number of games.
Also you’re right about Reyes but apparently the reason his injuries ceased were because of some leg program he was on that was mysteriously abandoned last year.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
yea
I mean, I don’t think it’s surprising that Beltran would get hurt, I just don’t think I’d label him “injury-prone”
To me, injury prone is someone who consistently gets hurt and misses a lot of time. Beltran is just starting to break down b/c he’s getting older. And the Mets and/or Jose are idiots for ending that program. I hate being a Mets fan
2009 Did Not Happen
Yeah but my point wasn't that he was injury prone as much as
he was someone who likely should/could have been expected to break down and it’s not really anything you can fault the medical staff for.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
i like this phrasing
I may borrow it in the future.
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 11, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
not again.
Is it possible the Mets can ruin another top prospect because they don’t know how to develop players? The Mets haven’t had a legit farm system during Omar’s reign because he trades them all away and/or it’s becoming obvious the Mets don’t know how to develop talent from within. They rushed Lastings Milledge into the majors and crushed his confidence when they sent him back. Unfortunately the same is on the verge of happening with Fernando Martinez and Jenrry Mejia. Manuel wants to work him as a reliever to keep his job, he realizes the urgency and Omar might to which could hurt the Met organization/prospects long term. Jenrry is a stud SP so send him to the minors and if he continues to dominate I’m sure one or two of the SPs in the rotation won’t be doing well and he can take their spot. The Mets need to be mindful of the long term effect these impulse decisions Omar and Manuel hope to make.
Here's a plan, and my plan, I like my plan, you know?:
We lobby Adam Rubin to lobby the Mets Medical Staff to run tests on Mejia. These tests will then come back indicating that Mejia has a hyperthyroid problem, when, in fact, he does not. This will then lead Jerry Manuel to back off of Jenrry, because we all know that Jerry finds it poor when players have medical excuses for not participating. Mejia will be shut down temporarily, while we organization investigates who gave Mejia clearance to have a medical examination. To get him out of the media spotlight, we can send him to Beiruit. When all of the insanity is over, he can come back, and resume his Minor League development as a starting pitcher.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 10, 2010 6:39 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
aww you didn't work grission in there.
Very disappointed in you.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
If Jerry gets his way, this almost has to be a firable offense. It doesn’t make sense to convert a potential elite starter into a reliever just to save your job & create “excitement” in the fanbase. I don’t see the logic in bringing up a starter and throwing him in the BP when you have the alternative of letting him & other prospects develop at their own pace. The logic of “he’s struggling here so we’ll just put him back in the minors and NOW let him develop” is extremely shortsighted & only hurts your players as they advance. If they simply let them grow, you have cheap young talent under your control or you could trade them to land a big star. But instead, they’ll try to satisfy their detractors in the short-term by while failing to realize that they’re gonna only hurt themselves in the end. Again.
Coming this April, fun times with Jeff and Gary!
Is this gonna be forever?
The Mets decision making, in all aspects, reminds me of that youtube clip.
by RIPShea on Mar 10, 2010 6:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
lol oh i the only one who got this
in this real life?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
im confused
Didn’t the rays use Price as a reliever at the end of 08 and then a starter in 09. Why can’t the mets do the same?
At the end of a season it makes sense
Because it’s fewer innings. But he needs to be spending the bulk of his season learning to pitch.
so
is your supposition that if he starts as a starter in the minors then is called up as a reliever later in the season, people would not be freaking out?
by Mike Clemente on Mar 10, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
i would be fine with that under the right circumstances
give him a few months of starting to work on his secondary pitches and get some experience. then in the second half, if you’re looking to keep his innings down and could use a bullpen arm, sure, bring him up.
but the mets bullpen could be one of their stronger units with calero, feliciano, ryota mania, etc. there is absolutely no need to do this now
by Bieser's Balk on Mar 10, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Mar 10, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Mm-Hmm...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 10, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I can see why Jerry wants to do it.
His contract is up at the end of the season, and even he must know that he’s a slow start away from getting canned (and what do you really think the odds anyone else gives him another shot are). I think alot of his moves are going to be of the win now variety, which unfortunately don’t really fit in with the way the team is assembled. I think if the writing wasn’t on the wall for Omar as well, this likely wouldn’t be much of an issue.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
If the plan was to shift him back to starting
and he had even a little success as a reliever, the “braintrust” would scrap that plan in a heartbeat.
Price's off-speed pitches were already developed
He had already dominated AA and AAA I believe, there was no reason to keep him down there. Meija on the other hand only has 41 innings of AA ball.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
The difference is that
Price was much more refined since he was a college starter for 3 years and had some seasoning on the farm whereas Mejia is much more raw and 3 years younger than Price was.
That said, once Mejia gets a little more seasoning I have no problem with the Mets breaking him in at the end of the year as a reliever. I think that will give him (or any pitching prospect for that matter) some great experience before being thrown into the rotation the next year. Just as long as it doesn’t turn into a Joba situation because people don’t realize a good-great starter is way better than a great reliever.
by mcsoxerhoff on Mar 11, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think there's really a situation with Joba
in the Yankees front office, just some of their idiot fans/the idiot media. And I doubt their front office really cares what they think. I imagine Joba’s still in the bullpen because of injury concerns and they’re trying to stretch him out as slowly as they can so as not to break him.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Perhaps “lunacy” is a strong word
Perhaps, but it is appropriate.
There’s simply nothing that is constructive for the Mets or Mejia that can be accomplished by putting him on a reliever’s schedule that can’t also be accomplished with him on a starter’s schedule. Answering the question, “Should Mejia be used like a reliever for the rest of Spring Training?” with a “Yes.”, is, in fact, lunacy.
Classic Jeff Wilpon.
Beyond the Box Score / Capitol Avenue Club / shwitter: @CapitolAvenue
by PWHjort on Mar 10, 2010 8:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would have gone with "asshattery"
by Bieser's Balk on Mar 10, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And i will rec that
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Mar 10, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Why can't this team
have a normal fucking policy with prospects.
/facepalm
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Didn't Johan
start his ML career as a reliever?
He made his ML debute in April 2000 coming from the pen. He made his first start later that month but was used almost exclusively in the BP until 2003 b/c he had no success as a starter.
And if I remember correctly, he didn’t start out in April 2003 as a starter but was used in the BP until mid year, when he finally transitioned once and for all to a starter.
by MetsFan4Decades on Mar 10, 2010 8:42 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, and look at him.
He absolutely sucks as a starter. All he knows how to do is fancy handshakes.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
LOL.....
Seriously, I was just trying to make a point that it could be done – starting as a reliever and transitioning to starter.
But this is the Mets organization though so who knows if they have the smarts to handle that successfully?
by MetsFan4Decades on Mar 10, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, they don't have the smarts....that's a given.
Whatever they do will be the wrong thing.
You can take THAT to the bank.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
Conspiracy theory but....
I would be way more confident they could do it right if not for the fact that I think one or both of Jerry/Omar know they’re on the hot seat and might just make a decision based on that, as opposed to smart player development.
I’d like to believe not, but wouldn’t that be human nature?
by MetsFan4Decades on Mar 10, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
Plus, I think Omar and Jerry both read and post here at AA under aliases, especially since MetsBlog banned their ass.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
He started as a reliever because he was a rule 4 prospect
which means he had 4 years in the minor league prior to being in the pen.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Yeah but
even so….didn’t it take a few years at the ML level of pitching out of the pen before they transitioned him to the ST in 2003?
by MetsFan4Decades on Mar 10, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but he also had developed pitches
and regardless, he had 4 years in the minors, Meija has no where near that. No one’s saying Meija shouldn’t even be in the bullpen, they’re saying you should never put a starting prospect in the bullpen before his secondary pitches are developed enough to throw against major league pitchers.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
major league hitters*
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Oh
totally agree with the point about time in the minors.
by MetsFan4Decades on Mar 10, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
He was only left in the pen so he could be kept in the organization
He actually made 9 more minor league starts after he went over to the Twins, but as a Rule V pick he had to be kept on the major league roster for all of the 2000 season or offered back to Houston. If they could have kept him in the minors in 2000 they would have. He also hadn’t pitched above A-ball yet.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 10, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Rule 4 is the June amateur draft
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
I was close
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Amazingly enough
that says it all
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
i think
fire the ass-clown now! says a little more
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Mar 10, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
I almost hope
Mejia comes up with a tight hammy in the next week or so, just something that will set him back 2 weeks so he can’t make the opening day roster and has to go AA.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
So now we're hoping for a Meija injury in 2010
a K-rod injury in 2011 and a Bay injury in 2012. God it’s rough being a mets fan.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Too bad bad doesn't come with good at a 1:1 ratio.
We’d be due for a lot of good luck, then. But, instead, all we get is more bad piled on.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 11, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I can deal with him being used as a reliever in spring training, as long as he still gets sent to Binghamton.
If it takes a few weeks to stretch him out, so be it. His innings will be limited early in the season so he’ll possibly be available as a late season callup if needed. There really isn’t any need to start him out in the bigs this season, I just hope they don’t cave to Jerry and another one of his stupid notions. The wording in Rubin’s story makes me somewhat optimistic though, as it seems like pure uneducated speculation, and I could see Omar not doing that now just to spite Rubin.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
spring training is fine, everyone is basically a reliever in spring training
its the threat of him breaking the major league club as a reliever that scares me
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 11, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
mejia in the bullpen would be great if it was for ~20 games in august-september and
after he’d accumulated 120 minor league innings as a starter. a la neftali feliz last year.
jerry’s talking about a full season of reliefwork? jerry, everybody knows you never go full retard.
On his property, Mr. Frazier has created a number of places to unwind — or as he said, "just chill."
by inventor frank on Mar 11, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Jerry went full retard and never went back.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 11, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
went?
was there once a jerry that wasn’t full retard?
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 11, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I didn't know him as a kid or anything.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 11, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
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