Open Thread: Mets vs Marlins, 3/14/2010

by Eric Simon on Mar 14, 2010 1:14 PM EDT

Johan Santana makes his second start of the spring against the Marlins on in Jupiter. He'll be followed by John Maine, Ryota Igarashi, Kiko Calero in his first appearance with the Mets, Bobby Parnell, and Sean Green.

The game is on WFAN and Gameday.

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Sounds like Johan has really nasty off speed stuff today.

by njk237 on Mar 14, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions

It seems like Jacobs hasn't been seeing the field much.

That can only be a good sign.

Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?

by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 14, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions

Spring ABs

One indication of who’s favored to win the 1B or bench job:
Ike 22
Murphy 21
Jacobs 11
Carter 9

SS
Tejada 22
Cora 15

CF
Pagan 20
Matthews 17

by DoghouseBlues on Mar 14, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I believe most of Jacobs AB's have been as a DH as well

Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?

by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 14, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Ouch, Maine's getting lit up

At least Johan pitched well.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 14, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions

Maine looked awful.

I hope he’s not hurt

Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?

by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 14, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions

Maine is, and has been, D-O-N-E

For the life of me, I don’t know what the fascination is with this guy, both by the Mets and most fans. He pitched a great game once. So did Alay Soler.

$#%^&**(

you know what I'm sayin' ?

by fxcarden on Mar 14, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions

He's been far better as a Met than Soler

by Syler on Mar 14, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed

From 2006-2008, Maine’s stats:

72 GS, 421 IP, 3.93 ERA, 3.92 FIP, 8 K/9, 3.7 BB/9.

Maine’s track record was that of a serviceable middle-of-the-rotation starter, and he performed like that pretty consistently. I don’t know if he’s “done,” but he was a valuable arm for the Mets for three seasons at a very low price. A return to form from Maine would be a very nice addition, indeed.

by sjohnson125 on Mar 14, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah. No doubt.

Doesn’t change the fact that right now he blows.

you know what I'm sayin' ?

by fxcarden on Mar 14, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Right now it doesn't count either, so I'm not too concerned about his results.

I just hope he’s not injured and still being run out there.

Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?

by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 14, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions

I wouldn't say he blows

He’s basically been a league averagish pitcher when healthy, aside from 2007, when he was actually pretty good.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 14, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions

!

at five inning per outing with 100 pitches per, with a repaired shoulder, and no out pitch, I’d say he blows, but you’re right….he may just suck instead.

you know what I'm sayin' ?

by fxcarden on Mar 14, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Huh?

He’s averaged just a bit over 5.5 innings per outing (including 3 career relief appearances), which is again, not too far off from league average. I won’t debate that he hasn’t been healthy, and when battling health problems struggled to go deep into games, but he’s been reasonably effective when he’s pitched.

And I’m not sure what you mean by “Doesn’t have an out pitch”. He doesn’t have a dominant secondary pitch, but missing bats has never been a problem. 2006-2008 his K/9 rates were 7.10, 8.48, and 7.84. The projection systems also universally agree that his strikeout rate will be decent, between 7.34 and 7.43. In terms of fangraphs pitch values, both his fastball and slider are above average. He’s clearly a fastball dominant pitcher, but in the last four years, only once has his fastball been below average, ditto his slider (and in different years, 2006 for the slider and 2008 for the fastball).

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 14, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Well hey, listen....

I hope I’m wrong because I want this team to win so at least they can shake off the demons of the past few years, but I do believe that Maine can hurt this team more than he can help it. Omar should have gone elsewhere with the money they gave to Maine, but that’s just my opinion.

If proven wrong, I’ll meet you and Syler at the Adam Rubin Lobby for game one of the division series, and the first round is on me (assuming, of course I am still alive then because one day this team will kill me).

you know what I'm sayin' ?

by fxcarden on Mar 14, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Hah, fair enough

I’m not necessarily saying that I expect him to be a major contributor, but that’s different from saying he sucks. If he makes 20 starts, I expect they’ll be better than 20 starts the Mets could have gotten from most other available sources. I also think that he’s a decent candidate to move to the bullpen if a better SP option becomes available, since he can miss bats with his fastball.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 14, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions

I rest my case....

read this

you know what I'm sayin' ?

by fxcarden on Mar 15, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Anyone know much about streams?

I’m newly cable-less and have had zero luck finding ST streams. For football it was pretty easy and my team’s blog was fairly good with posting stream links (mostly due to blackouts).

by Jamesir Bensonmum on Mar 14, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions

go to myp2p.eu

and click on live sports then the baseball icon.
Be careful what you download and make sure you have malwarebytes anti-malware and spybot search and destroy.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Mar 14, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Usually, Maine performs good against the Marlins

In 57.2 career innings (10 starts), he’s got a 3.12 ERA against them.

I was looking at his splits, and this surprised me. A lot:
Washington Nationals
70.2 IP (13 GS), 4.20 ERA
Philadelphia Phillies
59.2 IP (10 GS), 2.56 ERA

Perez is always called the “Philly killer”, or whatever, but in reality, Maine actually has better numbers against them (mind you, Perez does have three more starts and about 15 more innings than Maine, but still…)

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 14, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions

Small sample size

you can’t draw conclusions from 70.2 IP, 59.2 IP or 57.2 IP

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Mar 14, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I just did.

The number support the fact that Maine has been better in his career against Philly than Perez, who is commonly cited as being a “Philly killer”, because of his left-handedness. 1,000 IP would support that, or 10 IP would support that, doesn’t matter.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 14, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions