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My vote is for Jeebus
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 15, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i second this motion
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Jeebus?
What dat?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
Jesus Fernando Martinez
AKA…Jeebus
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 16, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL. Thanks
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
LOL at Ted Berg sponsoring his bb reference page
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
If I had more disposable income to waste in a fully extraneous manner
I’d sponsor a whole bunch of bb-ref pages.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 16, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Good idea,
I mean, chances he outplays Pagan are slim. In the situation the Mets are in, as in a good but not great team, I might go for the upside while Beltran comes back, but I’d rather see Fernando get a season in AAA.
Also, this is probably a good sign if you are in the Mejia to the minors camp.
Someone should tell Mejia
to fall flat on his face, and they’ll probably send him to the minors to let him develop and keep him out of the spotlight.
Say what you will about Omar
He actually hasn’t done much wrong this offseason. Aside from the shaky rotation situation (this wasn’t the offseason to fix that) he hasn’t been too bad.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Mar 15, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
A mixed bag I would say
Overpaid badly for Cora, moderately for Bay, potentially somewhat for Dessens
The catcher situation was a bit odd – overall ok but I think he signed one too many
Good work on Escobar, Calero, Tak2, Pridie, Hessman, Tatis
Bad miss: Felipe Lopez for a million bucks
Jury still out: the Wagner trade, Igarashi, Little Cat, Matthews (I actually think he overpaid for GMJ but hey)
I can't bitch about Dessens
He barely gets paid over the veteran minimum and only for the time he’s in the majors.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 15, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it's not a disaster
But my feeling on Dessens is that if it gets so bad that we need him, we could get away with trying out a better internal option (cheaper and more informative in the long run)
If we really get down to using Dessens for mor than a week,
none of the other offseason moves likely matter either. At least with the exception of Bay they are all 1 year deals.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 15, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Wagner trade was a miss
Carter is a solid bench piece, Eddie Lora has little upside, meanwhile the Sox get the 20th pick in the draft and a supplemental round draft pick as well. It’s not the worst trade ever, but whoever the Sox draft is likely to be much better than Carter and Lora.
And Wagner ends up on the Braves anyway...
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
I still think it was a bigger miss for the Braves
Why the hell did they give up thee #20 pick for 1 year (with a vest) of Billy Wagner?
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 16, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
That's not a fair assumption to make for the Mets at the time they made the trade though
They had to weigh the risk that he wouldn’t be healthy. They wouldn’t have the playoffs to showcase him if he was. And they had to hope that he signed with a team that had an unprotected pick. Of course, it worked out that way, but that’s hindsight. It was still a $3.5 million gamble vs. Chris Carter and Eddie Lora at league min. Sure, it paid off for the Red Sox, but that’s like playing poker, folding your hand, and then complaining when you’d have made a flush on the river.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 16, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but if you're playing poker
And you have a stack as large as the Mets, 150+ million payroll capabilities plus the ability to go over slot with those draft picks, even if they normally don’t, and you’re gambling with only 3.5 million, even if you look at the 3.5 million as part of 20-30 million they have to spend it’s still only about 10% of their resources, then you should go with the gamble that has the highest expected value, and the value of two first rounders, or even a supplemental pick and a high second rounder is likely higher than 3.5 million. It’s like if you’re drawing to a flush even if you only think you have a low chance of hitting it it’s worth the gamble if the cost is low and the pay-off could be high.
and that’s not even taking into account the crap they spend that kind of money on regularly with much lower expected returns.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
by Gina on Mar 16, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure this is accurate though
then you should go with the gamble that has the highest expected value
At the very least its unclear whether the better value was gambling on picks or saving money and taking on a more polished player. $3.5 million was the value of one win this offseason. Chris Carter, even in a bench role, could conceivably worth another, possibly even more. Lets assume he’s capable of providing about $3.5 million in surplus value in a less than full time role, but greater than a PH-only role.
On the other hand, even a late first round pick costs between $1-1.5 million to sign, plus the cost of paying that player for six seasons. Lets say the pick is worth about $10 million in surplus value over his salaries, and the supp is worth about $5 million over his salary. Minus bonuses, lets say an average of $1 mil per pick, that’s $13 million surplus. Then you have to regress that, since its not an immediate payoff, its something that you don’t get until at least two or three years down the road, and even then spread it out over six years. So lets say the present day value of that $13 million is 5% lower (very conservative, considering we’re talking a span of 8 or 9 years). That makes the present day value $12.35 million.
By taking Carter, the Mets got the $3.5 million in immediate value, and the short term value of Chris Carter, which hypothesized above is another $3.5 million. Then you have the surplus value Carter will provide over the next five years plus the value of Lora (which is low, but not zero, maybe ~$500k). So if post 2010 value of Carter and Lora is $5.35 million in present day value, then the best case scenario of taking the gamble on the picks was you break even. If the present day value of Carter+Lora post 2010 is greater than $5.35 million, even the best case scenario result of gambling on the picks is less valuable than making the trade. And there’s virtually no question that Carter+Lora+$3.5 million is worth more than anything less than the best case scenario of the draft pick gamble.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 17, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I would agree
except for the fact the mets don’t seem to value Carter the way people on this blog, including me, do. Most of us seem to think Carter are worst can be a cheap league average player possibly even a starter. The mets on the other hand don’t seem to even be considering the possibility of him starting and don’t even seem to value him as the last man on the bench, for a role he’d fill perfectly, over a guy like Jacobs who has 4 years of data saying he’s not a major league player.
To me this is an example of bad process lucky outcome. Carter seems good enough to be worth the trade based on what all of us see, but based on the front office’s actions are we sure they were seeing, or even considering, what we are about Carter? The fact he can be a league average cheap player doesn’t matter if they don’t value him as more than an AAAA organizational depth type player, which is what seems to be the case at this point. It just means they made a bad decision and accidentally stumbled across a valuable player who’s value they won’t use anyway.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
That's valid I suppose
But there’s even more unknown with draft picks, and thus even more they could screw up. What if the Mets spend overslot on the #7 pick, but then as repentance reached for an easily signed, below slot guy with one of their comp picks? Wouldn’t that be just as bad? What if they pick the right guy, but never call him up, never add him to the 40-man, and let him walk in the Rule V? You can’t expect an organization to base their decisions off possible mistakes they might make in the future, because that would imply they’re aware that they’re going to make those mistakes. If they were aware they were mistakes, they wouldn’t make them.
Plus I’m waiting as long as possible to admit to myself that Carter isn’t making the roster.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 17, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I don't mean they should base their decision on a mistake
they might make in the future. I’m saying for them to make the mistake we all think they’re going to make they must not have valued Carter that much to begin with, since I can’t imagine he’s done anything between now and when they traded for him to lower their view of him. If they traded for him thinking he would be a cheap league average starter then I have no problem with it. But if they traded for him thinking he wasn’t even good enough to beat out someone as crappy as Mike Jacobs for the last spot on the bench that’s an entire other story. And considering he hasn’t seemed to even be in the discussion, from the organization/beat writers, to making the team in any capacity it seems the latters more likely.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I think thats a problem of overvaluing Jacobs
As much as undervaluing Carter. I wouldn’t be surprised if the organization viewed them as roughly equals, but they give Jacobs the edge because he has “experience” and because they’ll likely lose him if they don’t carry him, while Carter has options. I don’t think they would have made the trade if they didn’t have some genuine interest in Carter, especially since he was named so quickly when the trade was made. I mean, its fun to point out all the things the organization does that don’t make sense and all, but even in the worst of the worst decisions there’s generally some kind of cogent thought process there, even if its a poor one. In this case, I think it was actually a decent one, they’re just ignoring whatever initial instinct they had in acquiring Carter.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 17, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I don't think using beat writers is great evidence
These are the same guys who trashed the farm all season, and now can’t wait to get in line to gush about Mejia after 7 spring innings. The organization has actually been pretty positive about Carter. Jerry seems to like him at the very least, and he’s gotten lots of props for his intensity during workouts, something beat writers might not necessarily see, but the organization does. Cattalanato and Jacobs have only had a few more ABs than Carter, and they’ve seen far less time in the field.
The beat writers, they just write what they expect people will want to read. And the average, casual baseball fan see names like Mike Jacobs and Frank Cattalanato and go “I know those guys!” but see Chris Carter and go “who?”
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 17, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
And on this topic, is anyone else endlessly shocked by how little work beat reporters seem to actually do? Sure, they spend a lot of time at the park, but the stuff people routinely do just for the hell of it here, they don’t get near. And I’m not even just talking about learning and using new stats, but in-depth examinations and comparisons of players, for example.
They might argue that they’re writing to their audience, but a little more useful info would not be out of place in a story. I recall that Speigel’s article on the Francoeur trade was a general synopsis of the deal plus mention of the year of 27 home runs. That’s it. How anyone with any current interest in baseball could write even a paragraph about Francoeur and mention the home runs but not the on-base issues is mind-boggling. The most stats-opposed crank on earth could not object to a fuller picture of his hitting ability, and you don’t need complicated stats for that. And you’re giving a wrong picture of his ability if you cite the home runs in isolation.
They’re going to be replaced by that software that does game recaps, and for the most of them, nobody will even notice.
Some guys are good at writing color on the players, it’s true. But a lot of them, not nearly as good as they think. (That, or it’s actually in their job description to feed their audience’s prejudices and preconceptions about players. Which, in the case of the tabs, it may be.) And even if I saw my job as basic recap plus color, everybody knows those jobs are disappearing. So wouldn’t I work at bulking up what I can offer a reader?
It’s a dream job. And they just seem so unbelievably lazy and incurious.
(Not all, obviously, there are a few stand-outs.)
by SuperT on Mar 17, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
Dead on. Every time I hear Adam Rubin talk about prospects, I just get the impression he’s interpreting what he thinks are the most commonly held views, not doing any creative thinking or analysis of his own. I feel like he just goes and occasionally hangs around in minor league parks, talks to a few scouts, some front office people, reads the comments on his blog, and just synthesizes and regurgitates that info into a few paragraphs, but presents it as an opinion that we’re just supposed to accept as well reasoned.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 18, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And the fact they might actually leave Carter off the bench in favor of Mike Jacobs
When he’s done nothing between now and when they traded for him to merit them liking him less than at the time they traded for him makes it seem like they must not have valued him particularly highly to begin with. Making the expected return of trading for him and Lora even lower.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I was gonna respond to Mark
but I’m tired and figured someone would say pretty much exactly what I was thinking anyway, only far more eloquently than I could. Plus arguing with Mark is a pain cause he’s like really smart and writes a lot, and I just don’t want to read and write a lot right now.
Anyway, thanks for writing my argument for me!
(I wonder, would a simple “This” have sufficed?)
I should say
I actually think if given a proper chance Carter alone could end up being worth avoiding the gamble. But if he has to force their hand to even be given a shot over someone who’s proven he’s not a major league player, or at least a major league starter, how highly could they have valued him to begin with? I think he could arguably compete with Frenchy for the rf spot, they don’t even seem to think he’s worth the last spot on the bench over Mike Jacobs if they perform evenly in the small spring training sample size.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I think Carter can be a solid player for us if given the chance
He’s just not a long term answer as a starter for the Mets. He could be a solid bench piece for years, but I’d still rather have a first round pick.
See I think he actually could be a solid cheap starter
Just probably not for us since we already have the outfield filled for a while, and his defense is apparently nightmarish at first base. I just think it’s an example of using a bad proccess and getting lucky and ending up with a somewhat good outcome. Carter probably could be a cheap league average starter in a corner outfield spot for someone, but it doesn’t seem like that was at all part of their considerations for him, considering they seem to have no interest in playing him in the outfield, not to mention we have no openings in the outfield, and considering they’re not even sure if he’s good enough to be the last spot on the bench.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
The front office has no interest in given likely cheap/dependable players (Figueroa, Carter) a chance.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 16, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's what I meant by this:
He’s just not a long term answer as a starter for the Mets.
We have Bay, Beltran, and Jesus next season ho will all likely be better than Carter so he’s blocked there. However he’d probably be a fine bat off the bench who could start in the corners or at first a few times a year. He’s a decent player, just a bad fit for us right now.
Haha, thanks...and I'm sorry?
There are only so many people willing to have a good ol’ fashioned argument with me here, and for what its worth, you’re one of the best Evan ;)
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 17, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand
But my point was the same then, its really not a bad deal. The opportunity cost for it was a $3.5 million gamble on draft picks, which are essentially more gambles that cost more money, albeit good ones. See above for my explanation for why I think/thought it was a good move.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 17, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a little early to making that call right now
If the rotation crumbles by mid-season, you’ll be calling out his ass … to be fired!
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
I think we all still want him fired
This particular offseason hasn’t been a fireable one though
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 16, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been rethinking the fire Omar stuff
If Fernando, Ike, Thole, Tejada and Niese are with the team in 2011 that is an awful lot of talent to come up from the minors that Omar is responsible for. He does some weird stuff with freeagents, but he always gets the big guy. He also went outside the box to get lots of bullpen help this year.
Eh
I’d say he’s still done more bad than good, and even with all that talent it’s not really overly impressive considering it’s taken him 5 years to assemble it, we really haven’t had anyone graduate in a long time, and it would still only put us around league average.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Well not more bad than good
he really hasn’t done a lot of bad mostly because he’s avoided major trades, and thank God for that considering the Putz trade, and our resources make the really bad contracts not as painful but overall I’d say he hasn’t really done anything well to set him apart from middling gms, and he’s gotten a lot of small things wrong that make it hard to trust him. But of course I doubt the Wilpons would hire anyone better and if they did I’m sure they would manage to get in his way. There’s probably too many other organizational issues for it to really matter who the gm is.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I think Omar's problem is not his signings
Its the handling of the Mets everday business that makes him look incompetent. Judging him just on his drafts, signings and trades he’s done at least an ok job but when you add in Bernazard and the handling of the injuries and the Randolph firing etc and Minaya begins to look terrribly overmatched.
Keep him as GM and replace him as pres of baseball ops. I could live with that.
Meh I'd say his signings the last few years have been pretty bad.
Once he couldn’t just hand out big contracts to the top free agents he seemed to be unable to properly value second tier players and ended up overvaluing or undervaluing them.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
He also seemed unprepared for the extreme market crash
handing out the huge contract to K-rod when relievers prices where plummeting and apparently staying out of the pitchers market all together this season because they were shocked by the asking prices.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I liked that he held back on giving pitchers the big deals this year
The free agent class of pitchers this year was not appealing. I do think he overpaid K-rod that option he has is nuts. Omar overpaying guys like Cora and Castillo makes him look like a terrible talent evaluator and really exposes his scout staff too. That being said, when was the last time you recall the mets having 3-4 homegrown major league talent on the horizon?
You have to give the devil his due because these guys(Mejia, Davis, F-mart, Niese, Thole, Holt, Tejada, Flores)can play ball. They all need to stay healthy and we will be a better team sooner than later.
I don't think there were really any big deals that got handed out
Harden was signed short term and most of his money was in incentives, Piniero signed for only 8 million per. And I’m not sure we should give him bonus points just for being less incompetent than former mets gms, our farm system is obviously much better than it was, but that’s not because it’s suddenly bursting at the seams with talent like no team has, it’s just because our previous farm systems barely existed.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Any improvement in the farm should be credited
Its not Minaya’s fault that there was no talent but he has done a good job getting prospects and it says a lot that those few prospects have moved into position to help the main club. He does deserve credit for being less incompetent! Think about how bad Phillips and Duke was and realize that Minaya is a nightmare and yet he’s still gotten talented prospects in the system.
My point was more
that while he’s done better than his predecessors he hasn’t done any better than you would expect an average gm to do. If we’re judging him verse other gms that should be the bar, not really dumb former mets gms.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Not thrilled with "his" drafts
The quotes are because it’s the Wilpons who won’t go over slot, so I don’t know if they’re really his.
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
I guess the drafts could be credited to Bernazard
He was in charge of the minors but I would think that if Minaya or Bernazard wanted to draft over slot and the Wilpons said no I don’t think the Wilpons knew enough about who was available to tell Bernazard or Minaya who to pick. I think the Wilpons just made the decisions on how much to spend. If that is the case then the drafting was much better when you factor in the cash restraints and still picking up quality prospects.
Even with not going over slot
there’s been a lot of questionable strategy, like trying to find relievers to convert to starters which just baffles my mind, and a lot of high floor, low ceiling bats.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
The 2007 draft was the one where they focused on college relievers
IIRC, the thinking was that they could fill a need at the major league level quickly & relatively cheaply, especially given that it seemed to work out with Joe Smith in 2006.
But I agree that it’s a bad strategy: a good starter is a lot more valuable than a good reliever, and you can always convert a starter into a reliever, whereas it’s very hard to do the reverse. Plus, Kunz’s stats at college weren’t all that impressive.
Another thing that's hurt their drafting
is that they’ve lost more draft picks to free agency than gained, whereas for most teams it’s the opposite. This isn’t necessarily an indictment of Omar – you’d have to look at the free agents they signed, and the departing free agents they declined to offer arbitration to, to make a judgment on that – but it’s definitely had a negative impact.
It isn't neccessarily an indictment
but with Omar’s some of it has been due to some bad judgment, like signing Alou before the Giants even had to decide to offer arbitration or not. Signing K-rod when the market was flooded with relievers, many of whom were type B (which was compounded by giving up prospects for Putz after giving up draft picks for K-rod), resigning Perez rather than signing someone like Wolf who was type B. And then of course the Wagner situation.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
if it wasn't for the Bay contract
i’d be perfectly fine with this off-season, excluding that it seemed like exactly what we needed no more bringin in bad contracts instead basically punting on the season to try and find out what exactly we had with multiple question marks we have and possibly getting some prospects playing time, like Niese and Thole and Carter and Evans if they’re still considered prospects, and hell throw Frenchy in there too, (not Meija, Tejada and Davis ugh) while moving a year closer to all the awful contracts we have expiring.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I agree with you about the Bay contract
But, realistically, there’s no way the Mets were going to punt on the season, given what’s happened the past 3 years and all the fan & media negativity. I guess an alternative approach would have to been to look for short-term upgrades at 2-3 positions without being locked into big long-term contracts. For example, passing on Bay and signing Felipe Lopez and Nick Johnson or Russell Branyan.
Yeah that would have made more sense
I mostly just don’t understand why they seemed to pick some sort of halfway approach. Lock yourself into that kind of crappy contract with Bay, but then don’t roll the dice on any other cheap short-term upgrades so even after Bay your team likely isn’t going to be good enough? it just makes no sense.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
A good start.
Now, say, “Mejia start the season in the minors. We want to let him develop and keep him out of the spotlight.”
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 15, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
I'll live with saying nothing
It can’t hurt for Mejia to think he’s got a shot at the bigs this season, and he at least looks like he’s humoring Jerry. Just send him down come opening day and I’m happy.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 15, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Either way, he's not in the bullpen when the season starts, and that's what I want to hear.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 15, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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