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Relievers are volatile, up and down. So teams can luck into late-game solutions. You cannot say the same for elite starters. Put it this way: The Mets have a better chance of unearthing Francisco Rodriguez’s set-up man than finding an internal solution when John Maine, Mike Pelfrey or Oliver Perez inevitably break body parts or hearts.

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Good stuff from Sherman

Contrast with Kevin Kernan’s take:

Mejia should be at Citi Field come April 5.

If he’s not, the Mets are wasting a golden arm and opportunity. Four veterans polled in the clubhouse yesterday each said Mejia should be with the major league team if the right-hander continues to excel. This was five hours before his 1-2-3 inning against the Red Sox over in Fort Myers.

It’s Mejia Time.

by James Kannengieser on Mar 18, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I read that as well.

To put it mildly: it didn’t really take.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Mar 18, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Four veterans:

Francoeur, GMJ, Francoeur again, and Francoeur

by Bieser's Balk on Mar 18, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

cant believe i forgot him

so Francoeur twice, GMJ and Cora. that sounds about right

by Bieser's Balk on Mar 18, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Bay on Mejia;

"Is a little bit of seasoning going to make it any different?" Jason Bay wondered. "He is going to help at some point, whether it’s tomorrow or a year from now, and stuff-wise, absolutely he belongs."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/mejia_has_goods_to_rescue_mets_uFpm73DoRauzszoXZ4p2yI#ixzz0iXSwz6em

by Major on Mar 18, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

"Is a little bit of seasoning going to make it any different?"

I’d say yes. Instead of fast-tracking a kid with one plus pitch and two not-quite-yet-developed pitches, maybe later in the season the Mets could make a late season call-up of a kid who has three plus pitches, or at least that same one plus pitch and two better-developed secondary pitches. That kid would hopefully be more prepared to come into the rotation in 2011, given his experience starting in the minors during the season and his time facing ML batters in actual games towards the end of the season.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Mar 18, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just about to post that same quote

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Mar 18, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that's what happens when you break in in Pittsburgh

Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?

by Schmidtxc on Mar 18, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 18, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think that Jason Bay and David Wright would suggest something

that would hurt the Mets long term? I don’t think they would. Look me personally, I don’t care where Mejia pitches as long as he pitches well, stays healthy and develops. There is one thing that us fans have to deal with and that is Mejia’s determination to make the team. The kid is out to prove that he’s ready and sometimes that determination is a force that can’t be held down. Mejia is making believers out of his teammates and now they are expecting him to be on the team. So now the Met brass can’t send him down without the vets may feeling like they broke camp without the strongest roster. The Mets should have sent him down from the beginning but that ship has sailed. Mejia is going to make the team.

by Major on Mar 18, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

the thing is he's not proving he's ready for the role he's supposed to have

they’re just saying “eh good enough, he can go in the pen”. I wonder what Warthens take on this is… haven’t heard much from him about his opinion on the matter, and given thats his job, I imagine he should be somewhat vocal about it. He probably doesn’t want to speak out until he figures out where the team stands though. I don’t think that Dubs or Bay are trying to hurt the team long term, or Mejia for that matter, but that is in fact what will happen if he’s kept up in the pen. I hope Omar puts his foot down on this one and sends him back down. It would actually do a fair bit to restore some amount of faith in him in my book.

by KeithsMoustache on Mar 18, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd guess he's in Manuels boat.

There’s no way he survives into next season if Jerry isn’t back, so his fate is very much tied to Manuel. I’d guess he’ll be of the win now mentality as well. Hojo is the only one I can see that may actually have a chance to survive a regime change.

Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?

by Schmidtxc on Mar 18, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure

I can see them tossing Jerry aside first, and giving Omar a bit of time with Jerry’s replacement before he’s let go. I think he’s got a slightly longer leash because a lot of what has hurt this team is player management on the field, which Omar doesn’t control. He hasn’t made many absolutely colossal blunders aside from Ollie on the player signing side (although he could have handled this market a bit better at least we picked up some good bullpen pieces and got a decent left fielder). I’m not a fan of his plug the holes a year too late strategy, but I can see him lasting a bit longer if firing Jerry seems to right the ship a bit.

by KeithsMoustache on Mar 18, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what Warthen's actual opinion is.

I don’t think, necessarily, that he’s going to blindly follow Jerry, because Jerry isn’t blindly following Omar, so…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 18, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but he's way down the food chain

so my guess is he’ll tread very lightly. Either way i’d like to know what he thinks.

by KeithsMoustache on Mar 18, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah, his opinion actually doesn't matter, but...

I wish we had Rick Peterson back…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 18, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

he could fix this pitching staff in 5 minutes tops

seriously though aside from that one painful decision Peterson was really good at finding players in the scrapheap and polishing them into useful pieces.

by KeithsMoustache on Mar 18, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, i don't think the players would harm the Mets' long-term interests on purpose

i just don’t think they would really consider it. player development is not a concern for the players. they just want the best players on the team that can help them win now.

by englishgrey on Mar 18, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

I think it’s great that other players on the team can recognize that Mejia is a talent, and that he can help the team in some capacity right now, but player development isn’t their area. Their opinions shouldn’t really mean much if the front office has different plans for Mejia.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Mar 18, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that Wright & Bay are actively trying to hurt the team long-term, but they probably don’t ahve the persective to stay objective about the long and short term costs and benefits of another player’s development.

Besides, what else are they gonna say? “The kid’s not ready.” And openly disagree with their manager? The press’d have a field day.

The point being made is that it’s not the players job to think long term. In 5 years there is no guarantee either Wright or Bay are still Mets. A strong front office is supposed to head off this kind of controversy. The players, regardless of what they think, should not be making personnel decisions.

by SoCal Metfan on Mar 18, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"but that ship has sailed"

Comments like this make me incensed because they are patently absurd.

That ship has not sailed. All Omar has to say is this: “Mejia had a great spring and we are encouraged by his development. His future is as a starter and we want to see him go down to AA and work on his breaking stuff and build up his stamina.” The end.

Sherman nails it when he says “teams can luck into late-game solutions. You cannot say the same for elite starters.” Mejia has the potential to be an elite starter. As I have seen Gina note in other threads, you cannot just throw away a year of development and expect Mejia to magically turn into the Ace starter we believe he can become. Once you go to the bullpen as a young pitcher it significantly curbs your development. Just look at Aaron Heilman: dude never developed a breaking ball.

by keithprime on Mar 18, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is going to turn into the Mets version of the Joba debate

Guys like Kevin Kernan and Craig Carton want it to turn into that. And it sucks.

by James Kannengieser on Mar 18, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Not cool.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 18, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The media just need things to rant about.

‘Tis why I rely on watching the games, Amazin’ Avenue, and MetsBlog for my Mets info.

by keithprime on Mar 18, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I have to say on this matter is

< head on keyboard > ajfb;rvb;iraub;rfn;afoan;mfoisfkmda;avmnfakjba < / head on keyboard >

by deadspy3 on Mar 18, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

With any other organization...

I’d think this was meaningless — there’s no way the front office is dumb enough to listen to its players about who makes the club. But with the Mets, I’m not so sure.

by Bieser's Balk on Mar 18, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha, I think

PLEASE IGNORE MY FAIL would make a good t-shirt slogan

by deadspy3 on Mar 18, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be.

As long as it has a photo of Omar in the background.

you know what I'm sayin' ?

by fxcarden on Mar 18, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jerry, do not break the pitching food chain

It’s hard to get away from the basic principle:

Good starters are worth more than good relievers. Period.
Even the top closers were mostly failed starters at some point in their development.
Most middle relievers were failed starters who can’t cut it as a closer for one reason or another.

by erich10031 on Mar 18, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Omar, if you put your foot down and stop this insanity once and for all,

I’ll take back 75% of the mean things I’ve said about you.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 18, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Is Joel Sherman smarter than I thought?

Or is anyone, compared to Jerry and Omar

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Mar 18, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I was lukewarm on Beimel earlier,

but now I’m really pulling for us to sign him so that it takes up one more bullpen spot.

Who cares how bad the Bay deal will look in 2013, the world is going to end in 2012 anyway

by Schmidtxc on Mar 18, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

same here

if it means no meija in the bullpen I say give him billions.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Mar 18, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, what makes you think they wouldn't just send Parnell and Tak2 down?

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 18, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

This Mejia debate makes me irrationally angry.

I need to ignore these threads from now on, because reading the rationale behind having Mejia start the season in the bullpen is so incredibly short-sighted.

by keithprime on Mar 18, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Just replace

Mejia with Joba and we’re stuck living out the starter vs. reliever debate again.

by Brian. on Mar 18, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but Joba at least has all the tools to become a starter still

if we put Meija in the bullpen now he likely won’t.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Mar 18, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if his (Joba's) career gets all farkakta,

who cares?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 19, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

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