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Raul Valdes? Come Again?

Mysterious lefthanded relief pitcher Raul Valdes garnered a mention as a possibility to make the Mets' roster in Marty Noble's article "Feliciano wins eyes Mets' eight-inning gig":

One of the Mets' talent evaluators said Monday that though Valdes has no trick pitch or funky arm angle, "He seems pretty capable of getting outs against both sides."

The Mets re-familiarized themselves with Valdes over the winter when he pitched in the Caribbean World Series. General manager Omar Minaya saw him there. Valdes had pitched with the Mets' Class A and Double-A teams in 2007.

Also, Jerry Manuel reportedly likes Valdes (per Matt at Metsblog), despite him having pitched just 2.2 innings this spring. The 32 year-old Cuban defector logged 36.2 combined innings between High-A St. Lucie and AA Binghamton in 2007 while posting a 33:15 K/BB ratio. Since then, he has bounced around the Dominican, Venezuelan and Mexican leagues, most recently playing for Tobasco in the Mexican League.

Nothing about Valdes--stuff, stats, upside--is particularly exciting. He throws an average fastball and some shaky breaking stuff, and, if we lend credence to the Mets' talent evaluators, doesn't seem like a classic LOOGY. Minor League Splits does show us that he was better against lefties in his brief minor league career, but so was Jon Switzer. It's pretty bizarre that we're entertaining the possibility of the Mets keeping a guy who has never pitched in MLB and hasn't been in MiLB since 2007 but let's go with it for argument's sake.

Star-divide

Valdes on the roster means Pedro Feliciano is the set-up man. Initial reaction to hearing he might be given this job was an eye-roll, but after thinking about it more it's not a terrible idea. If Jerry insists on defining such a role, Feliciano is the next best option to a healthy and ready Kiko Calero. Obviously you'd like to avoid having Feliciano face the likes of Chipper Jones and notorious nemesis Matt Diaz back-to-back, but Met fans should have confidence in Perpetual Pedro navigating a lefty-right-lefty inning. Based on all publicly available information, here is the likely bullpen featuring Feliciano as set-up man:

Frankie Rodriguez
Pedro Feliciano
Ryota Igarashi
Hisanori Takahashi
Fernando Nieve
Raul Valdes
Nelson Figueroa

Calero is omitted, but if deemed ready would certainly find a spot in this crew. This 'pen is intriguing. In Tak2, Nieve and Figgy there are three guys capable of eating multiple garbage time innings at a time while also being counted on in higher-leverage 6th or 7th inning spots. The bullpen of specialists in recent years was overworked, ineffective and excruciating to watch. With Calero, Bobby Parnell, Sean Green and even Clint Everts waiting in the minors, and Kelvim Escobar and Jenrry Mejia potentially available later in the season, this has the makings of a bullpen with quality depth. More importantly, there is enough talent present such that Mejia's flamethrowing services are not necessary on the Opening Day roster, right? Right?!

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[Jerry says n]othing seems to phase Jenrry Mejia, who also continues to be impressive, though he does not see him as a set-up guy to start the season. (Emphasis mine.)

http://www.metsblog.com/2010/03/29/post-game-jerrys-comments-feliciano-wants-8th-inning/

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?

by CharlieH on Mar 30, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

It might be misguided optimism

But I have a feeling Mejia isn’t on the Opening Day roster.

by James Kannengieser on Mar 30, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

it will taste so much sweeter

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Mar 30, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

but

I think Jerry means he wouldn’t start him out as the 8th inning guy.

That said, it does seem the rumblings are not quite so heavily in the Jenrry breaks camp camp.

by wobatus on Mar 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nightmare scenario

What if they leave him off the opening day roster, but make him the closer at AAA or something insane like that? That’s almost worse.

by njk237 on Mar 30, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I think its much, much worse

And now I completely believe that will happen.

by mets81 on Mar 30, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry, they still think Eddie Kunz is the closer of the future

Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Mar 30, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

not exciting enough

In a way at least using Mejia makes more sense from a selfish win now to save Jerry’s job point of view. Valdes is simply a career minor leaguer who hasn’t ptiched anywhere since 07. He has already failed. and now he could be given an important role in the bullpen. makes no sense to me.

by Endys Game on Mar 30, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Neither is Pat Misch's, but ...

at least he logged in a bunch of innings and pitched fairly well. No comprende.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

by The Glider on Mar 30, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since we are on the topic on bullpen

I had a scary thought this morning: Suppose the Mets struggle out of the gate and decide to go into sell mode come July. The Twins speak to the the interim GM/Omar about Frankie Rodriguez, to fill the void left by Nathan and the closer-by-the-committee. After they discuss their options, the Mets eat Frankie’s contract, ship him off the Twins (would be in a thick of a playoff hunt) for some overrated farm talent, and bring up Mejia to close.

I gavomitted after I had this thought.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Mar 30, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Minaya and Mets eat a contract

The Mets make trades for Equal money when was the last time they ate one that large Castillo is still a Met

by Sir Tmac on Mar 30, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

gah

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Mar 30, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

hey maybe OP, maine and pelf can just pitch complete games all year

right? that would would work. why dont we just do that then?

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Mar 30, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

thoughts on valdes

the only things that really stuck out to me from watching him in his ST outings were his shortarm almost billy wagner-esque delivery and more importantly that he seems consistently able to throw strikes, commanding his fastball really effectively to both sides of the plate, which is probably what is endearing him to jerry et al. no breaking ball or velocity to speak of though.

by Rob Castellano on Mar 30, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Because having a junior closer is all the rage.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Mar 30, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't you know,

having an effective 8th inning man is equal to having a good starting pitcher(per Don LaGreca, 1050 ESPN Radio New York).

by Brian. on Mar 30, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good lord, really?

In defense of Joba the Reliever, I suppose?

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Mar 30, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You would think that,

but in a defense of having Mejia in the Met bullpen. I was sitting there confused because for 2 hours, Kay was preaching that starters are more valuable than relievers and Yankee fans were in awe of Joba’s dominance in the 8th inning back in 2007 and that’s why they wanna stick him back there(I agree with him on both counts). It just struck me as odd that the Met fan there, LaGreca, and Kay would argue in one direction, but not remain consistent in discussing a somewhat similar situation.

by Brian. on Mar 30, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

so thats where Steve Popper got his ideas from

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Mar 30, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t lik the idea of Pedro as a setup man in general because hes just not very good against righties, but I too wouldn’t have an issue with him facing a lefty-righty-lefty part of a lineup in the 8th. what would worry me more is who is going to come in to face [insert tough lefty here] out in a big spot in the 6th or 7th inning? Raul Valdes? I mean if that’s the plan, then why the hell don’t they just pick up a cheap, proven big-league LOOGY like Brian Shouse?

by nmigliore on Mar 30, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

or Scott Schoenweis.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Mar 30, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beimel and Show (you can throw Mahay on the list too) have all already signed elsewhere.

by nmigliore on Mar 30, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it.

just throwing out another name that the Mets could have picked up if this Pedro F. 8th inning plan was in the works.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Mar 30, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schoenweis got released by Mil. last week.

Has he signed somewhere besides that?

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?

by CharlieH on Mar 30, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boston

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Mar 30, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

i’m still perplexed about that

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Mar 30, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Omar Minaya Method:

Make bad trades, and just when the acquired players seem to be at the point that they can contribute to the Major League team in a positive way, trade/release/non-tender/etc. them.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 30, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

As much as I hate this idea...

anything that gets Mejia out of the bullpen is worth it, I think. This isn’t a championship-caliber team, so if making questionable decisions regarding a lefty specialist/eighth-inning guy means we do the right thing with a potential ace starter, I can live with that.

by Bieser's Balk on Mar 30, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

So, Raul Valdes' Carribean World Series and Spring Training has impressed the front office?

What the hell is Nelson Figueroa doing wrong?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 30, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

He's pitched 2.2 innings in spring training!

I don’t know how 2.2 innings can turn a career minor/Mexican/Domican leaguer into a major leaguer. Unless he has shown something I haven’t seen, I don’t understand. What I don’t like about Pedro being “the 8th inning guy,” is the idea that the 8th is his inning, regardless if all righties are up. There really shouldn’t be 7th, 8th, or 9th inning guys; there should be highest, high, average, low, and lowest leverage pitchers, while adjusting for handedness.

by EtSuKe on Mar 30, 2010 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, unfortunately Jerry doesn't see it that way

I can’t remember where but someone recently pointed out that Willie Randolph was criticized for not more clearly defining bullpen roles, so guys didn’t know when they were going to pitch. Doesn’t make sense at all — if you’re in the bullpen you should be ready to pitch at, more-or-less, any time. (not a defense of Willie’s bullpen use though — it was poor). The “who is the 8th inning guy” discussion is dumb because the concept is dumb. Sadly it’s a reality in Jerry’s world.

by James Kannengieser on Mar 30, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This...rec'd

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?

by CharlieH on Mar 30, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

And of course, reply fail.

Sorry. Did I hit all the memes?

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?

by CharlieH on Mar 30, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where is MAya?

Speaking of Cuban defectors, what happened to Yuniesky Maya, I know the Red Sox and Mets were rumored to be looking into him. Supposedly a better pitcher last year than Chapman was, but without his upside.

by Jonathan C on Mar 31, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

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