Thinking about David Wright's 2010
I have been thinking quite a bit about David Wright's chances for a strong rebound 2010, and I keep coming back to the same point, so I felt like writing a FanPost. Such is the joy of having a good online community in which to participate. :)
I want to point to a handful of different assessments of David Wright's 2010 from various writers and analysts. I have ranked them from most optimistic to least optimistic; you can quibble with my ordering if you'd like.
"I have no doubt David is going to have a big bounce back year in 2010… of all of the problems and concerns I have with the Mets coming into 2010, what he does is the least of my concerns, provided he stays healthy." - Michael Baron, MetsBlog.com (http://www.metsblog.com/2010/02/21/note-david-wright-is-much-stronger-this-year/)
"In all likelihood, fans a decade from now will look back at his 10-homer season as a blip on an otherwise fantastic career consisting of many more 30-plus dinger years, and in a few weeks, when live regular-season baseball once again occupies our time and Wright looks like the player of years past, few will even think about what happened last season." - Eric Seidman, BP (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10141)
"[Wright]'s a terrific player who, if 2009 turns out to be the aberration it appears to be, should return to being one of the best all-around players in baseball." - Eric Simon, (The Truly Amazing) Amazin' Avenue Annual.
"PECOTA expects Wright to rebound, but even if he doesn't hit nearly 30 bombs, check out that batting average and on-base percentage. He'll pick up over 100 runs and RBI easily, and as a 20/20 guy, he has loads of value in all five categories. Evan Longoria is David Wright 2.0, but with fewer steals—that's about the only separation between the two at this stage. Long-term, I would take Longoria's bat over Wright's—he's that good—but for 2010, those steals keep the Met in the lead." - Marc Normandin, BP (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10111)
"I expect a rebound from Wright, whose problems seemed kind of reminiscent of the aforementioned Bobby Murcer's problems at Shea Stadium -- the park effects got him to think too much, change his swing, with subpar results. Murcer never quite got over it, something he talked about for the rest of his life. Wright has some advantages that Murcer didn't, like easy access to video -- I think he'll bounce back." - Stephen Goldman, BP (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=709)
"Barring any Earth-shattering revelations or limb amputations, I would expect Wright to hit for more power in 2010. Mostly because it seems unlikely he would see his ability to hit for power decay in such an abrupt fashion." - RJ Anderson, FanGraphs (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/david-wrights-power-outage/)
"Wright was a different player and had to rely on luck for his decent final numbers (his .394 batting average on balls in play was easily the best in the majors). He struck out 20 more times than he had the year before and walked 20 fewer times. He hit 39 doubles but managed only 10 homers. He also looked shakier in the field and Bill James Online stats ranked him at the bottom among all major league third basemen, 13 runs worse than average with his glove. In my mind, Wright's decline was just as disconcerting as Reyes's injury. A similar cloud looms over his future, which makes the entire outlook for our team dim indeed." - Dave Studenmund, Amazin' Avenue Annual
"Personally, I doubt I'll be taking David Wright in any drafts this year. Despite all the questions surrounding him (I didn't even mention his eight-point jump in strikeout rate!), he's still being drafted 14th overall according to Mock Draft Central. That just seems too high for me. Even if he changes his approach back to his 2008 style, Citi Field will still prevent him from getting back to his 2007-2008 HR levels, and his strikeout rate (and extremely inflated BABIP) is very worrisome." - Derek Carty, The Hardball Times (http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/fantasy/article/what-to-make-of-david-wright/)
Informed, intelligent writers and analysts certainly disagree in their appraisals for David Wright. This is another instance where we see that the performance analysis community really does do its best to avoid groupthink. But I think the best appraisal of Wright I've read comes from the comment thread on Seidman's piece, from a commenter named Rowen Bell.
"My takeaway from your research, Eric [Seidman], differs a little from yours. You've demonstrated to my satisfaction that Wright's 2009 power drop has no comparable precedent. It's a black swan. As such, I think we need to be very careful when assessing any forecast of Wright's future at this point.
"Anyone who wants to believe his 2010 PECOTA is certainly free to do so, but should at the same time recognize that there must be a tremendous amount of risk associated with that forecast, since we're treading on fresh powder here."
Rowen Bell hits the nail on the head, I think. First, with the statistical: PECOTA is a statistical model that is based on historical data. When something occurs that fits a previous pattern, the model works really well. Historical data is wonderful in this sense; it usually serves as a great barometer of what to expect in the future.
But sometimes, things happen that are outside the realm of historical norms. In those cases, our models are less than useful, if not entirely useless. The analogy that comes to mind is this piece on the financial crisis (http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-03/wp_quant?currentPage=all). This is something of a truism, but I'll say it anyway: "You can't use historical data to predict the future of something that has never happened before." Extending it a bit, if there is only limited data, you can only have limited confidence in your prediction.
With the qualitative, the same logic holds. Wright clearly was not right last year. The most common explanation for such a poor season--an injury--doesn't really fit, as far as we can tell (if there were some lingering injury besides the concussion that afflicted Wright, I think we would be returning to the realm of the more predictable, but I haven't heard anything to that end).
So we are definitely in unchartered waters with David Wright. Moreover, there are two separate issues, neither of which has been resolved by the analytic community (though possibly by Wright himself or the team without us knowing):
1. What, if anything, caused Wright's decline in 2009?
2. Is what caused Wright's decline in 2009 fixable?
I think before projecting Wright's 2010, we need to answer those two questions. Most of us, myself included, do not have the knowledge, access, experience, or expertise to answer those questions. Ergo, I will refrain from prediction. This is an easy way to avoid being wrong, but I think the issue is deeper than this. At this point, based on our knowledge problem, I think just about any projection of Wright's production is underdetermined.
Wright's performance is one of the threshold requirements for the Mets having a good year--if Wright doesn't have a good year, the Mets probably won't be contending for a playoff spot.
The one piece of data that makes me optimistic: from the All Star Break in 2006 to April 30, 2007, Wright hit .288/.373/.426, which looks a fair bit like the .307/.390/.447 he hit last season. Wright went on to have an MVP season in 2007, hitting an absurd .339/.425/.588 in the season's final 5 months (I refuse to believe that Rollins won the award). The 2006-07 skid was characterized by endless discussions on the effect of the home run derby on his swing, and Wright responded with the best stretch of his already-excellent career. Here's hoping this time is similar.
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What few people realize is..
David was awful after his concussion. Before the concussion in 426 AB’s he was hitting .324/.414/.467, with a strikeout rate of 24.6%. After the concussion he hit .239/.292/.367, with a strikeout rate of 32.1%. That lowered his overall numbers down to .307/.390/.467.
Yes his strikeout rate even pre-concussion was high, BUT every month his strikeout rate improved until the concussion. April – 27/82-32.9%, May – 26/98-26.5%, June – 23/104-22.1%, July – 20/93-21.5%, August – 9/49-18.4%.
His power numbers are much harder to explain, but obviously Citi Field took away a few, 9 HR’s I think. Let’s just hope he had a mentality of trying to be either a line drive hitter/ or was trying to hard to over compensate for the rash of injuries by his teammates.
Either way David looks jacked this year, and is obviously ITBSOHL. I think he’ll see a return of his power, but Citi Field is still Citi Field, so put him in the 24-27 range.
by Adam F. on Mar 6, 2010 4:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Last year David felt he HAD to hit home runs
Everyone else was hurt, he thought he had to carry the team.
Now Beltran and Reyes will probably be back for a good portion of the season and we have Jason Bay so there will be less pressure on Wright.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
This.
Just one of the “reasons”, but, yeah.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 6, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I always hate hearing this reason
I’d understand it if the Mets were really good or in the playoff hunt, but there must have been a point last year (June/July) where it became pretty obvious this team wasn’t going to recover in time for the playoffs. The notion that David was struggling so much to carry the team by himself, I have no idea. I believe it from the “lack of protection” standpoint much more than I believe David Wright emotionally handicapped himself.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Well I think that's part of the reason
The fact that the Mets weren’t in contention for so long, I think, would put more stress on him to try and keep the fans happy and keep their dignity…which the poor guy clearly couldn’t do. I don’t know. I’m not David. That’s just how I see it.
by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Mar 6, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's a bit of revisionist history (unintentional) to kinda say that we weren't in contention at basically any point.
(Not that you said it, but your post made me think down that thought path). We were 1 game behind on July 2nd. We were 9.5 games behind on August 2nd- that’s a pretty wide margin, but not insurmountable, especially given how much time was left. A lot of people forget that 2009 wasn’t an entire season of failure, disappointment, and suckitude.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
I get what you're saying, and you're right.
I, looking back now, can honestly not remember a time where I thought the Mets were in contention. Yet every season, no matter what the record may be, i believe they are going to somehow win the world series. It makes absolutely no sense, but that’s okay.
by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Mar 7, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
David suffered from lack of protection
Why would anyone pitch to him when Frenchy/Murphy was hitting after him?
I also think that David protecting Jeff and Daniel lead to both of their hot second halves.
I could not agree more
Why throw anything to Wright that he can hit when there is no one behind him. Put a good hitter with a good rep behind him and he sees better pitching and hits more.
I also think his concussion played a role in his numbers. Anyone who has suffered a concussion knows that physical and mental reactions are way down. This must have brought his numbers down.
A clear head and Jason Bay behind him will improve his numbers.
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Mar 7, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Do you know where these studies are.
I would like to look at them. I know single examples can be misleading (small sample size) but two from last year were Holliday and Texeria although there are other possible reasons why each of these hitters could have improved.
I've given my take on this many times so I'll just summarize...
David will be fine this year. He will make a comeback, he’ll have protection in the line up, and his power will return. I know the wind might have had something to do with it…
but I sort of loved how on the first pitch he sees in 2010, David hits a homer. I mean I know it doesn’t count or anything, but it was just cool. Everyone’s wondering where his power went and then bam. It was just like “how do you like me now?” It made me happy. And I’m extremely mad I had to watch it on tivo.
by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Mar 6, 2010 4:39 PM EST reply actions
Wright will be fine
because you spoke to him on the phone.
that is all.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
by fxcarden on Mar 6, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That's what my dad said.
Except he believes it will have more to do with the fact that he bought him drinks. I beg to differ.
by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Mar 6, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
If he has his best year yet
You’re going to have to call him every year during spring training for the rest of his career.
I don't think that would be a problem.
;)
by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Mar 7, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
And if she marries him he will become a hall of famer.
"Wait till Biggus Dickus hears about this!"
by scott from peekskill on Mar 7, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
We're all invited, right?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Oh of course.
You can be the flower girl.
by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Mar 7, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ZING!
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Actually; BURN! I like BURN! better.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wright
All I know,with the bases loaded and 2 out,David Wright is the last guy I want to see in the batters box.I don’t know the stats on this,but I’ll bet it’s alarming.
Flagged for trolling.
The splits at B-R don’t account for bases loaded, two outs, but in 87 career PAs with the bases loaded, Dub is hitting .352/.402/.662.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Mar 7, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
.352/.420/.662? Leaders don't hit no stinkin' .352/.420/.662!
I would say he’s lazy and needs to keep his head in the game, also, but that’s Jose Reyes’ thing, and I don’t want Wright’s head anywhere near the game ever again. That’s dangerous.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 7, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
That’s the first time I ever saw anyone use the term “black swan” outside of a business class setting.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
"The Black Swan : Impact of the highly improbable" is a pretty good book actually
just read it recently. Recommend it for the statistically minded around here (my gut instinct tells me there might be a few of those around here).
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 11, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
No complaints here about the book
Really enjoyed, even though it was a required reading for a class.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
we're could use a few black swans next season (the good kind, not the bad kind)
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 11, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
and, pace Torii Hunter
I think it’s okay if the swans are Dominican.
Agreed...
I was definitely thinking of the book when I wrote the piece. The nice thing about baseball is that almost everything falls into the realm of Mediocristan, making it easier to predict, and lessening the impact of bad predictions. :)
the game itself is mostly in mediocristan
but while those occasional fluctuations where a player far outperforms his usual levels don’t have any broad impacts on the game usually, they do have a huge impact on contracts, which are more extremeistan-driven. One good season can get you a huge contract for years, after which they’ll likely regress, but their contract doesn’t regress with them.
by KeithsMoustache on Mar 16, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Wright rebounds in 2010
I was happy with david before the concussion for the most part, except for the rise in Ks. I thought he was a little to aggressive early in the AB, and seemed to always be hitting 0-2, 1-2. He rebounds this year and hits 25 or so because he has power around him with Bay, and even Francouer.
Agreed.
His power might have been down, his K numbers up, and his defense a bit more shoddy, but, even all of that factored in, what third baseman in the league were better than him? For all of the flak he got with everything in 2009, he was still an All-Star (just barely, but…), and was still among the top players in the game.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 8, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Some of the more stat minded here may know the answer
Did David Wright last year not try and hit the ball too often to the opposite field and therefore lose some dingers due to not pulling the ball as much as he used to? Wasn’t a big Jerry (or Bernazard) tactic to do drills where the ball had to be hit to the opposite field (like 80 times in a row), and maybe a return to a more pull-oriented approach will result in some of David Wright’s power coming back?
Why is the word "dysfunctional" always on my mind?

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