Lupica: I'm Not Saying.. I'm Just Saying
Typical accusatory story that tries not to be.
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I am tired of these articles
I used to be as outraged by steroids and the cheaters as anyone. But since Pettitte and the Yankees have virutally gotten a free pass I don’t care anymore.
So until the press/msm starts calling for the Yankees to give back WS titles or division or WC titles or have asterisks or whatever they need to leave everyone else alone. I mean they have been associated with about as many known steroids users as any team but they want to put an asterisk on McGwire’s record and ban Bonds?
I'm not saying that Mike Lupica fucks goats.
Just because Mike Lupica is a person who exists, and some people who exist fuck goats, does not mean that Mike Lupica is one of those people who fucks goats.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Mar 8, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Hahaha, wrong writer and wrong animal
The correct answer is Buzz Bissinger and horses.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Mar 8, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
+1
You will get extra points if I hear you say that to mom when Im home next month.
by IanB in MD on Mar 8, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Uhh what?
“When Reyes was asked in Port St. Lucie if he had an under active or overactive thyroid, he said, ‘Yeah, I think it’s over.’ He’s not supposed to be as smart as Dr. House is on television.”
I don’t get it. Someone who speaks Lupica care to explain?
Jose's not an endocrinologist
so he must have something to hide. I know Lupica would thoroughly discuss details of his medical condition with anyone who asks.
Plus, he’s not officially diagnosed yet. He’s still undergoing tests. So “Yeah, I think it’s over” IS EXACTLY WHAT DR. HOUSE WOULD SAY before the tests are complete, only he would pronounce it in a funny way and add “and why are you trying to hide that you know your girlfriend is cheating on you?”.
Seriously, this article is just getting me madder and madder. I think my blood pressure has gone up 30 points in the last half hour.
Or maybe....
in the phone call with the doctors, they told him it was overactive and they want to double check…. so when asked the question Reyes responded “Yeah I think it’s over” (as in I think “they” said it’s over)
Gaaahhh!!!!!
House would say "Everybody lies"
Thirteen: All symptoms point to hyperthyroidism.
House: Prep him for full body irradiation.
Foreman: House, that’s not how you treat or diagnose him for hyperthyroidism.
House: That’s because he has cancer.
Chase: How do you know he has cancer?
House: I don’t. I just need an excuse to talk to Wilson about Cuddy’s “fun bags”.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
by Michkin on Mar 8, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not going to read it
But wow, that seems insulting.
I'll explain
Not only is Lupica the arbiter of morality in sports (except when cashing checks from his McGwire-Sosa “Summer of 98” book), he’s a cool cat who keeps up with the pop culture. So he’ll throw a “House” reference in there every now and then. Or he’ll talk about the latest Elmore Leonard novel.
The dude is a Renaissance man. Who happens to shop at Gap Kids.
by Bieser's Balk on Mar 8, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yesterday, I was watching a re-run of House.
There was a car wreck. A woman was sitting in a room with a neck brace. She said to House, “I have a stiff neck”. House said " get everyone in this room tested for meningitis"
you know what I'm sayin' ?
I do like House
somewhat, but it is so damned formulaic! Every episode follows the self-same chronology and zig-zag. I suppose having good dialogue and acting makes up for that.
Ridiculous
If we were talking about (insert White Met here) there wouldn’t even be any question. Same reason the only white guy who continues to have issues in the MSM with Steroids only is there cause he keeps denying the obvious
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Mar 8, 2010 3:32 PM EST reply actions
It very well might be.
The newspaper industry is dying, and without turning into the national enquirer they really don’t have much chance to survive. This is just typical garbage that New York newspapers put out now. Ten years ago when there weren’t hundreds of other outlets for readers to get actual informed thinking this kind of crap wouldn’t have a chance at being published.
Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?
by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 8, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Once again, football is never mentioned
To me, this is what’s so annoying about the PED hysteria complex. The same this drivel runs two actual PED users are caught by the NFL drug policy. Not even mentioned in the story (and that information was available when the Lupica story was updated.)
“But nobody should be surprised that people are looking to draw a line from Galea to what showed up in Reyes’ blood tests. That is the modern culture of professional sports, which means the drug culture.”
That’s also the culture of modern sports journalism, where self-righteous gasbags cherry pick the people and cases that are “destroying America’s youth” and demand that we all be outraged when they tell us to be. No innuendo to frivolous to start hurling accusations not so cleverly disguised as questions at baseball players, but in football boys will be boys I suppose.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Right
No one ever mentions the NFL. Soft bigotry of low expectations?
Lupica IMHO is overcompensating. In the 90s he was burned for giving long luxurious blow jobs to Sosa and McGuire, so now he needs to be a dick to people at random.
Mike Lupica is ridicu-crunk-ulous
And you can’t hurt him anymore.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
lol
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 8, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Thyroid Problems
My family’s got thyroid problems. Not me, but my mom, brother, and most uncles. It is a bitch and a half. My uncle in Baltimore had his thyroid trouble in control for years. Doctor took him offa the meds. Then one day he lost all the hair on his legs and it was because the damned problem came back.
more importantly
did your moms homerun total jump from the teens to the thirties right after she started taking them?
2009 Did Not Happen
Even if they did, I'm pretty sure she was only taking them to speed up the recovery process and not to increase her HR totals.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 9, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Damn
what if Jose’s dreads fall off. He’ll never be the same.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Bald is beautiful
The Charlie Vilanueva, who played with UCONN in college, has alopecia (like my mom and older brother.) I think it would be cool if Jose was all shiny and bald.
However, Lupica would have to write a column about how he got bald from his meth habit.
Lol i actually didn't know that
I always just thought he was weird as hell looking for no apparent reason.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Oh yeah
He does some great charity work for the National Alopecia Areata Foundation. Whatever town he’s in he meets with kids who have the same condition. About 5 million people have it nation-wide, but most people just lose a patch or two on their head. Losing all of your hair is unique. Heck, my mother didn’t meet someone with Alopecia until she was in her mid-30’s.
I'd like that. Kinda
I really hate Reyes’ dreads. I don’t want to see him bald or anything, but I want him to go back to the haircut of 2005-2007.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 9, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I actually agree
dreads just aren’t cute.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Mike Lupica lives in New York City
Hundreds of people are murdered in New York City every year. Dozens of those murders go unsolved. Do we know for a fact that Mike Lupica killed them? No, but some person in NYC did, and we have already established that Mike Lupica is a person living in NYC.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 9, 2010 2:13 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
They already caught the guy who committed all those unsolved murders,
don’t you remember? It was Steve Sax.
by Evan_S on Mar 9, 2010 3:31 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I almost just repeated that exchange instead.
Besides, with Sax serving his eight life sentences, someone else has to have been killing all those people.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 9, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
elephant in the room
Maybe a tiny baby elephant.
I don’t have much problem with this story. It’s just one of those things where there will be a question: hmm, recently questioned by the FBI about connection to hgh doc in Canada, now some kind of thyroid issue. Is there a connection? So he asks some doc. Folks speculated with Giambi when he was reported to have a benign tumor (athough perhaps that alleged link is more well-known).
Someone above questioned whether it was a race thing. I don’t think this is something white players (or non-Mets) get free passes on. Giambi, Clemens, McGwire, yada yada. Frankly, even though he isn’t a slugger, i always have had suspicions about Jeter. His head would certainly ruin your crew neck cashmere sweater if he borrowed it.
This could all be and probably is nothing at all, and I just hope Jose is fine and can play this year. Doesn’t seem like anything to panic about. I’m not a huge Lupica fan, but this is low on my list of things to get me bothered, some thumb-sucker on reyes/thyroid/hgh.
The point is the way it's written
And the sheer assholery on display. The faux concern with how this will be perceived, and with Reyes’ injury “issues”.
And then you’ve got just the full-on douchery: "When Reyes was asked in Port St. Lucie if he had an under active or overactive thyroid, he said, ‘Yeah, I think it’s over.’ He’s not supposed to be as smart as Dr. House is on television."
And sure, we could agree on the point that everything in baseball, everyone in baseball, in sports, is suspect right now. Hell, if my career depended on it I’m sure I could talk myself into doing a little something extra if I could figure a way not to get caught. But thyroid problems are really very common in the general population, so they’re not much of a useful indicator.
hyperthyroidism
Yes, I understand it is quite common. Not sure if that is what Jose has or if he has has an underactive thyroid. Apparently he isn’t sure either.
It is more likely in women then men. About 1/50 women. 1/500 men. HCG produced during preganancy can cause hyperthyroidism. Manny took HCG. I don’t really know any of this stuff, this was just a quick bunch of google searches.
Hey, Lupica asked one doc, who didn’t say it was the cause. Could be. As a doc, you would go down the list, check things off. That’s basically what the guy said, without going back to read it.
I have no idea if that doc knows what the hell he is talking about. Could be a hell of a lot of things.
These things are things people will think about. There’s almost no way to raise it without it raising a doubt. I know someone pointed to the NY mag piece. Well, that’s another way. Saying that everyone speculating is just speculating and that just stinks. Sure. Of course they are. Speculating, that is.
The thing is, most of the folks here don’t care if he was taking it, so even bringing it up as possible strikes them as being offensive, kind of like wagering on a sick person’s recovery odds. Who cares, right?
I suppose Lupica was being a bit of a jerk. Still doesn’t bother me that much.
"bringing it up as possible strikes [most of the folks here] as being offensive"
I don’t think you should necessarily be paraphrasing what most of the folks here think or don’t think, because you seem to be really just missing the point. The title of the post is “I’m Not Saying.. I’m Just Saying” – the point is Lupica’s weaselishness in wanting to make the smear, but duck any responsibility for it (compounded of course by his usual incoherence, as in the Jeter comments, and his dickishness, as in the House comment).
OK
My bad. Probably wrong anyway and definitely irrelevant.
However, I don’t think it is that big a smear, and I don’t think he is ducking any responsibility for asking if there could there be a connection. The Jeter line is typical and a non-sequitor. The House line is mildly amusing, albeit at someone else’s expense.
There’s nothing in the piece that is evidence of anything or something worthy of what one might call investigative journalism. Par for the course. Random thoughts from the recliner (as Hondo might call it).
True story...
Mike Lupica once visited my high school. Every other author there stayed and had an informal Q&A session with the students. Lupica required that every student who wanted to ask a question write it out before hand and have them all given to him before “his appearance”. He then read and answered 3 selected questions, and left.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Story
Regardless, Reyes was using a trainer who supplied HGH, and two weeks later, he announces a relatively uncommon medical condition that has ties to HGH.
It’s always fun to attack Lupica, but acting like this is a total non-story is sort of pollyanna-ish.
It’s ok to believe that Reyes never took HGH while still being able to acknowledge that it looks a little fishy.
Similar to OJ, it’s all just circumstantial evidence. ;-)
Assuming the numbers wobatus gave are correct,
it’s not that uncommon. Hell, I’ve probably got medical conditions rarer than that.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 9, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, it's a relativley common medical condition that is in no way indicative of HGH use, so there goes that.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 9, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That is to say, his particular medical condition cannot be linked to HGH use without heresay, as opposed to actual factual evidence.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 9, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
HCG
can cause hyperthyroidism, according to limited googling. But lots of things can cause it (a lot of it fairly benign, some stuff scarier, a tumor can secrete hcg, pregant women can get elevated levels, some morning sickness is from this), and you might never really know what causes it. I don’t know about HGH. But I don’t think HCG is in any way related to HGH. I think and don’t really know for sure that it is used to cycle off steroids, not HGH.
http://journals.lww.com/acsm-csmr/Abstract/2009/01000/Thyroid_Disorders_in_Athletes.7.aspx
http://wjso.com/content/6/1/68
Anyway, we’ll never get an actual answer. There isn’t going to be any report from the Mets or the docs saying, yeah, he was taking HCG, that’s the cause. So I suppose Lupica did open a can of worms that really can’t be closed. My take is, however, that these ideas would be out in the ether anyway. And for the record, I am not a big Mike Lupica fan. Unlike George Costanza, I don’t read the Daily News. I just don’t think he is a complete jackass for the way he brought this up.
It is unfortunate, because I suppose it is true that once people start talking about this stuff it gets a life of its own. I don’t think I’d like people discussing my medical condition in public, but for athletes it is fairly common.
There are many more people by a huge magnitude that have an overactive thyroid that has nothing whatsoever to do with cycling off PEDs. It’s the whole canada doc thing (and he is tied to hgh, which I do think is unrelated to hcg use, so the connection from one to the other is likely specious), then this, and Manny’s suspension last year for hcg, and the whole steroids in sports thing in general, that feeds this. And now you have the typical screw up where the player and management are saying different things about it.
Regardless, if he has hyperthyroid he should be ok properly treated is my understanding.


























