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The Call-Up Threshold

In a very tangible way, the success of the Buffalo Bisons this season is as consequential to the health of the Mets franchise as anything the parent club does. After the way this offseason played out, the Mets have clearly staked their future on the development of one class of prospects, which includes Fernando Martinez, Ike Davis, Jenrry Mejia, and Ruben Tejada. Mejia will likely start the year in AA and his timetable to the majors will depend entirely on the speed of his development relative to his innings count. Since he could feasibly get called up as a setup man for the competitive Mets in September or a starter for the sunk Mets in that same month, no one in particular is blocking Mejia's inevitable ascent. Also, such is the nature of the pitching staff that Oliver Perez, maybe the 15th best pitcher in the organization, claims the third spot on the depth chart. 

By contrast, all of the pressing hitting prospects have obvious stopgap players manning their respective positions with the big league club. Josh Thole will eventually supplant Rod Barajas, either sometime this year or in 2011. His relationship with Barajas is more mentor-mentee. The other aforementioned Bisons, though, came to camp to kill. Ruben Tejada, behind the emergency glass for both Jose Reyes's hammy and Luis Castillo's knees, is 6-for-17 with two walks. Ike Davis and Fernando Martinez are both 10-17. Davis hit a 900-foot grand slam and Fernando has already hit two homers and two triples. As a result, fans have begun wondering aloud whether these exciting young players should go ahead and break camp ahead of their major league placeholders.

Luckily, we have projections to help answer this question, so we don't have to default to 17 at-bats versus some guys the Nationals and Braves are going to cut. CHONE has projections for all six players in question. Keep in mind, CHONE is typically conservative in projecting both major and minor leaguers, which is fine, since everything here is relative to other projections. 

Player wOBA bRAA ~fRAA
F!M 0.308 -13.2 5
Wincoeur 0.327 -1.8 0
Ike 0.304 -15.6 5
Murph 0.330 0 5
Luis 0.329 -0.6 -15
Ruben 0.273 -34.2 5

 

The first column is projected weight-on-base-average for each player, the second is runs above average based on that wOBA over 600 plate appearances, and the third is some fielding projections I ballparked. Obviously, with more reliable fielding data available for major leaguers, projecting them is easier. The minor league projections are just conservative ballpark estimates based on scouting reports and position changes. Most importantly, all of those fielding numbers are estimates relative to their major or minor league counterpart. For instance, Ruben Tejada, an above-average shortstop moving to second base, would likely be about 20 runs better than Luis Castillo, the worst defensive shortstop in the majors. Put more graphically: 

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Hail, Daniel Murphy, king of the scrubs who should be in AAA. On this chart, "0" represents an average hitter, of which only Daniel Murphy qualifies as, at .330 wOBA. The orange bars, then, are hitting runs above average, while the blue bars are fielding runs above average +20, because I didn't want to deal with Luis Castillo's column collapsing on itself.

The main takeaway here is that only Fernando seems particularly close to overtaking his stopgap. One could argue that given such a slim difference between the two (7 runs or <1 WAR), the team should go with the player presenting the most upside. One could also argue, however, that in the short term, their upside and downside are about equal. Hopefully, these columns start to meet sometime during the season, and not because Murphy's and Francoeur's have shrunk.

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spring making me feel better about system

I feel a lot better about our farm system after reading the daily boxscores from spring. I wish I could see the games.

I have to admit I am a little over anxious to see these guys, but the smart play is to let them all play in the minors for the entire season, let them learn from the whole year, conditioning and hopefully success.

by Rickfansince76 on Mar 9, 2010 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

Tejada

He’s probably more of a 80-start/400 PA sub than a 150-start/650 PA 2B — more Maicer Izturis than anything else. Over ~700 PA in 2006-07, he was worth 3.2 WAR.

I think he basically takes over for Cora, not Castillo, and we end up either moving Murphy to 2B or finding a 110-start guy on the FA wire.

by DanDotLewis on Mar 9, 2010 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

Do you mean long-term

or for this season? Cause it would probably be a waste to bring him up for 400 PA’s or less this year.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Mar 9, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Long term.

I don’t want to see him in Citi before September. In fact, that goes for F!, Jennry, Ike, Thole too.

by DanDotLewis on Mar 9, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that may be his floor and most likely scenario

But a 19 year old SS who hit like him in double A certainly has a high upside.

by Evan_S on Mar 9, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Murphy at 2b

I don’t see him as a starter there. Maybe if he became a super-sub guy, but I think Havens will be the 2B, maybe Tejada first in 2011.

by wobatus on Mar 9, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don't see why not

He’d probably be better than Castillo, UZR-wise

by DanDotLewis on Mar 9, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Anything

over Castillo. But I ws going on the assumption Castillo is the guy this year. if he gets hurt and Tejada is doing ok in AAA I’d bring him up. But I think havens is the guy for 2012, with Ruben getting a shot next year.

by wobatus on Mar 9, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Tejada 2011

I think he would likely be a much better fielder at 2B than Murph. I could be wrong. Lots can happen, but I’d go

c Thole
1b Ike
2B tejada
ss Reyes
3B Wright
LF bay
CF beltran
RF Martinez

Murph could be super-sub a la Zobrist last year (until Zobrist went apeshit and became superman).

Havens would be in the wings.

I know that’s a lot of young guys, but I think that’s the way to go.

by wobatus on Mar 9, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I hate all the fancy stats, the best stats are the tried and true ones, for a #2 which is what Luis should be his OBP of .387 last year would be great batting behind a healthy Reyes, like LoDuca did for Reyes in ’06.

I don’t care for Francouer, he did OK last season for us, but Braves fans could not wait for this guy to leave town and I’m afraid that guy the .282 OBP and .311 Career OBP is going to show up. If F-mart is still raking by June and Old Frenchy is playing a call up might be in order.

I also think Murph is a load, good kid, hard worker, not that talented. What I said for Frenchy applies here for Murph and Ike.

by Jonathan C on Mar 9, 2010 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

Castillo's obp was mostly becaue of an unusually high, for him, line drive %

it’s possible he’ll turn back into a .350-.360 obp guy, which isn’t bad but with his other skills would cause a nose dive in his offensive value.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Mar 9, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Imagining 2011

Thole C
Davis 1B
Murphy/Havens 2B, with Tejada getting ~50-60 starts
Jose SS
D! 3B
F! LF
Beltran CF
Bay RF

Rotation: Johan, Pelfrey, Niese, Maine, Jennry

That has the huge upside we dream of, no? I mean, I realize that the rookies are going to be slightly-above replacement level and probably not league average even, but there’s a chance of magic.

by DanDotLewis on Mar 9, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

Don't forget Kunz at closer

The causative relationship is that talent (plus luck) leads to wins. And that talent (plus service time) leads to payrolls.

by Sokojoe on Mar 9, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he forgot that on purpose

how about Niesen at closer.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Mar 9, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Won't we still have BB-Rod under contract in 2011?

We’re not going to be able to move his contract, and the Mets are too stubborn not to use him as a closer while he’s making that much money.

by JoshNY on Mar 9, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah but if he doesn't reach a certain inning threshold

his option won’t vest I believe. And players union grievances be damned K-rod’s option not vesting is for the greater good.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Mar 9, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

That kind of thinking is almost as wishful as

hoping the Mets (somehow) realize that Castillo and Perez are sunk costs in the next year.

by mets81 on Mar 9, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Right, but the vesting option isn't for 2011, it's for 2012

We’re paying him $12M or however much it is in 2011 regardless.

(Or are you saying the Mets would take him out of the closer role in 2011 in order to make sure the option doesn’t vest? Because that’s both more devious and more intelligent than I give them credit for being.)

by JoshNY on Mar 9, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that's what I was saying

if he doesn’t pitch so many innings in 2011 his option won’t vest for 2012. And yeah I would think any half brained front office would be able to figure it out, but the mets current regime makes the short list of front offices I’m not sure if it would even occur to.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Mar 9, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I read that as ...

“…the short bus of front offices…”

by psiogen on Mar 9, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Frankie options is actually based on GF

For the 17.5 option to vest, he must have 55 games finished in 2011, 100 games finished in 2010-11, and doctors declare him healthy after 2011. So, really the Mets just need to get him out of the closer role during 2011.

Oh and just to be clear, I was joking about Kunz.

by Sokojoe on Mar 9, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Or just nitpick about an injury.

I’m sure they’d be able to find something if they really want to, and I’d guess it’s a new GM by then.

Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?

by Schmidtxc on Mar 9, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but the wording of "healthy"

is really ambiguous. Does healthy mean pass a physical, no structural damage, no immediate need for surgery, or just recovered from a surgery? It’s a really subjective word that I don’t think gives the Mets much leverage. I think the union would fight the Mets real hard if they tried to nitpick that one, just as I’m sure the union would raise a stink if the Mets take away Frankie’s closer role without a solid reason. As we’ve been saying all along, the option is f’ing ridiculous.

by Sokojoe on Mar 9, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Jerry's an evil genius

and his Mejia-to-the-bullpen is part of a long-term master plan to keep K-Rod’s option from vesting

by Bieser's Balk on Mar 9, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That could actually be a good idea

moving him to the bullpen in 2011, if his secondary pitches have progressed enough. Could be a good way to get him reps against ML hitters, and keep his arsenal improving, while monitoring his inning totals.

Of course that’s only a good idea if you have competent coaches/managers and training staffs at the ml level…

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Mar 9, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Jerry's contract is up at the end of the year...

Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?

by Schmidtxc on Mar 9, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Daniel Murphy King of the Scrubs - needs a movie poster

The main takeaway here is that only Fernando seems particularly close to overtaking his stopgap.

The irony of F!‘s being the closest to his stopgap is that the FO probably (definitely) doesn’t see Wincoeur as a stopgap and that F! is probably the least likely to get playing time (barring an injury at the MLB level) regardless of the struggles of his “stopgap.”

God I hate Omar Minaya.

by mets81 on Mar 9, 2010 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah thats what I was thinking

The guy who has the least risk to his job is the one most likely to lose it, Murphy, and the guys with prospects closest to producing near their value are much less likely to lose their jobs.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Mar 9, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Its Jerry Minaya's World

And we all just live in it. No matter how frustrating.

by mets81 on Mar 9, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

But Jeebus's stopgap is the only corner outfielder that could reasonably be moved.

Bay is here for a while, and I don’t think the front office seems Jeebus as a long term center fielder.

Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?

by Schmidtxc on Mar 9, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true

but there aren’t really any “pretty” Mets other than maybe Wright, and he’s not a scrub.

You have no idea how much it pained me to paste Ollie’s face over Sarah Chalke though.

by JoshNY on Mar 9, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Nicely done.

Jerry looks strikingly similar to Dr. Beardface.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Mar 9, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Colonel Doctor was always my favorite. Him and Snoop Dogg Intern.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 9, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Snoop Dog resident!?

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Mar 10, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i haven't seen anything outside of comments hysteria

that has the mets extending francoeur or an indication that they see him as their long-term solution in right

On his property, Mr. Frazier has created a number of places to unwind — or as he said, "just chill."

by inventor frank on Mar 9, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

They gave him a one-year extension. That's a start.

You can’t get to Step 3 without doing Step 1 and 2 first.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Mar 9, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Formula review, before further comments

Isn’t it ((wOBA – lg wOBA)/Scale) * PA? lg wOBA = 0.330 and Scale 1.15
From the numbers in the table, you used scale = 1.00

In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.

by Michkin on Mar 9, 2010 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

yea that'd be more precise

if you want to calculate WAR. Didn’t really matter to me in making that graph.

by Sam Page on Mar 9, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Chris Carter for RF?

CHONE projects him as .344 wOBA or 8.4 bRAA (scale=1 to compare) and -4.2 fRAA for a full season. Even disregarding his CHONE defense projection, he would have to be worse than -10.2 fRAA to equal Francoeur.
Plus a lefty with power at Citi Field would benefit from the “Utley’s porch” in RF. He keeps the same OBP against lefties and righties and hit for more power against righties.

In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.

by Michkin on Mar 9, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

"Plus a lefty with power at Citi Field would benefit from the "Utley’s porch" in RF."

A dead-pull lefty would; do we know whether that’s Carter’s tendency?

by JoshNY on Mar 9, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

His 2008 and 2009 minor league spray charts (blue=HR, green=hits, red=outs):


“Spray charts available for 2007 and 2008 player-seasons with 50+ batted balls. The two shaded arcs show 250 feet and 350 feet, respectively. MiLB hit location data is recorded by human scorers at different parks, so should be treated as approximate, especially at the extremes. I’ve eliminated the most glaring errors, but I’ve left the 200-foot home runs and foul base hits for you to interpret however you wish.” – Minor League Splits

Pretty much all his HR are hit to RF.
Is this what you were talking about? Is Utley dead pull?

In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.

by Michkin on Mar 10, 2010 7:08 AM EST up reply actions  

That's great info, thanks

I wouldn’t have been inclined to say that Utley is a dead-pull hitter, but looking at his own spray chart it looks like a lot of homers do go to right field. If a guy on the Mets is going to play home games at Citi and take advantage of that porch, he would need to hit a lot of balls in that direction. Seems like maybe Carter would have that tendency.

by JoshNY on Mar 10, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

He'd probably be at least as good as Francoeur

but from your mouth to Omarn’s ears. I’m afraid I can’t support your lobbying, however, as Frencho is my boy.

by Sam Page on Mar 9, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Lobby for platoon?

or does it make too much sense to happen.

"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'

it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.

by Gina on Mar 9, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Career splits:

Carter vs Righties: .296/.366/.524/.890
Francoeur vs Lefties: .298/.340/.487/.827

Carter vs Lefties: .296/.379/.409/.788
Francoeur vs Righties: .260/.300/.410/.709

Things to take in consideration: for Carter, those are his minor league data, since his major league AB are tiny; we have to regress both lines to league average, can’t really just use the splits; Carter splits are basically power, since he keeps his OPB stable;

In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.

by Michkin on Mar 10, 2010 7:20 AM EST up reply actions  

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