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Daniel Murphy's Future?

 

With fan favorite Daniel Murphy coming back from the DL relatively soon and Ike Davis seemingly staying in the bigs for the long haul, the question of The Irish Hammer's future with the organization remains in question.

 

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If Dan Murphy wants to stay with the Mets he needs to, and has even said that he is willing to, learn how to play other positions. This is also assuming Ike Davis is here to stay long term in the bigs. The most reasonable position for Murphy to learn would be 2B where the Mets are walking on thin ice with Luis Castillo and Alex Cora. Both are aging, poor defenders who have declining offense skills (although Castillo is still decent) and are constant injury risks. Murphy is a hard worker and projects to be a decent major league bat (In his 707 MLB PAs his wRC+ is slightly above average at 103). He has had a good UZR of 2.3 at 1B previously and with his work ethic could be a average 2B in the field with average to above average bat for 2B. This would also allow the Mets to keep Tejada and Havens in the minors longer to develop or even possibly challenge Murphy for the 2B job in the near future.

 

Even if Murphy is beaten in Spring Training by Tejada or Havens in a couple of years his value would have to be as a super sub, like Super Joe and Miguel Cario. He would then be able to play 1B, 2B, 3B, LF, and RF and would provide not terrible to above average defense at the various positions. Murphy's versatility would also give him more value for a possible trade. If they Mets do decide to keep him they would have a deep bench for a while with possibles Pagan, Havens, Tejada, Martinez, Carter, Evans, Hessman, Thole, Santos, Riggans and Pridie all relatively close to being able to perform at the major league level. This is not even to mention the blocked and young but talented group of Captain Kirk, Lutz,  Bowman and Duda. So if Murphy would like to be a key part of the Mets for the future or a starter on another team he needs to increase his value by playing 2B.

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Where is Murphy's future?
Traded (add for who in comments)
15 votes
Super Joe-esque super-sub.
54 votes
Back-up 1B to Ike.
9 votes
Starting 1B with Ike heading back to the minors.
6 votes
Minor League Depth
6 votes
Starting 2B
37 votes

127 votes | Poll has closed

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Where's the 2B option?

The Mets have shown no mercy with Daniel, I think they’ll try him out at 2B before doing anything drastic.

by Adam F. on Apr 22, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

yea that was a mistake

just forgot to add it. let me see if i can still add it

by ror0071619 on Apr 22, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Super sub

look it has been proven over the last few years that it is key to have a good batthat can play passable at many different positions. If he could learn 2B along with whathe already knows that would be great, but even if he doesn’t. To be able to play 1B,3B and 2 OF spots. I bet he would see 250 ABs a season. I lik ehim better than Tatis, even though Tatis had the big PH HR 2 days ago. Murphy will be more affordable, if he will stay

by Rickfansince76 on Apr 22, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably the most realistic scenario

although the McEwing comparison is underselling him a bit.

I’m still hopeful he might be able to play 2B considering how good his range was at first, but the fact the previous second base experiment was scrapped back in 2008 makes me pessimistic.

by T Pac on Apr 22, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I think Murph has much more potential than Super Joe

and I think he’ll be a better player than him but I just picked Super Joe as an example of a versatile utility guy.

by ror0071619 on Apr 23, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC

it was scrapped because of injury

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Apr 24, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm missing something but

 I don’t see what Daniel has that’s major league ready.The 5 necessary ingredients needed
1-Hit for average and OBA- NO
2-Hit for power NO
3-Field NO
4-Throw NO
5-Run. NO
Throw in poor baseball instincts as he showed in left field and consider he runs with the instincts of Angel Pagan except slower and the only place I see Murphy is in my rear view mirror.

by Putnan Prince on Apr 23, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree he dont know shit..

by lohaus#54 on Apr 23, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am so recing this

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Apr 24, 2010 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did Murphy run over your dog or something?

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Apr 24, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think so.

At least he’s not booing David Wright, I guess, though.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 25, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed but he would have much more value with 2B.

Murphy will in all likely hood hit a bit better than Tatis but Tatis has more versatility and better defensive skills as is due to his experience.

by ror0071619 on Apr 22, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah But Tatis Shouldn't Return Next Year

He’s 35 years old and his hitting has been regressing significantly this year and last. So far this year his defense is also regressing. There is no way we should bring him back as a 36 year old. Murphy has only 2 years and can be kept for cheap for the next few years. Let him learn 2B and backup at 1B, LF, RF, 3B and the occasional 2B to prepare him to take over Tatis’ role.

Murphy’s defense at both 1B and OF have been better statistically than he is credited for. He might not look smooth, but he works hard and will likely be a decent backup.

by M.C.Teufel on Apr 22, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Murphy was an embarassment

in the outfield and reminded me of the Todd Hundley experiment except Hundley could hit.

by Putnan Prince on Apr 23, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Super sub

Hopefully he’ll get starting time at 2B, 1B, LF, and even 3B. Keep him in AAA for a few months to learn some 2B, though.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Apr 22, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

"With fan favorite Daniel Murphy..."

Is Danny Murphy really a fan favorite? I don’t really think so. Getting a pulse of the general fanbase (the same people who boo Wright, so…), it seems that most dislike Murphy, because he couldn’t keep up his .300+ hitting from August and September 2008, made a few bad plays in the outfield, and isn’t a proto-typical slugging firstbaseman.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 22, 2010 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

He was a fan fave in '08

and was for at least part of last year. If the Mets were good last year he in all likelihood would still be a big fan favorite. And I don’t know if I would call people who boo Wright “fans” anyway. I think if he played 2B and hit somewhere between ‘08 and ’09 he’ll be a fan fave again, like Super Joe.

by ror0071619 on Apr 23, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he is disliked

I just don’t think he was a great options for starting at 1B. I think he is generally liked by the Mets fan base. He made some bad plays last season in the field, but hey he went out everyday and played. he didn’t take a poor approach to learning new positions, he just took a little more time. He could be a decent full time player at his natural position, but I forget what that was, is it 3B

by Rickfansince76 on Apr 23, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

change your name to "Putnam Prick"

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Apr 24, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

what do you mean he couldn't play first?

he had a UZR of 5.7

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Apr 24, 2010 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bah, facts are false hustle!

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 25, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

except for his unreal hot start

He’s been your basic grissiony not-that-talented dude playing a position: 1B, that highlights his weakness as a hitter. His offensive stats translated to second base are about replacement-level, right? So, even with the spedz who “run things” with the Mets, you would think they would want to see how he fares there, right?

by neoncleon on Apr 22, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Daniel Murphy's future: Folding Ike Davis' clothes

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Apr 23, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

You really are a prick, aren't you?

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Apr 24, 2010 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

murph im not giving up on you ..

look say what you want but the mets need 100 daniel murphys he is not a quitter he is a gamer and has heart . not like some of these omar boys ? they know who they are .murphy will learn to play another position if they ask him thats just murph doing anything he can to be a good player. and unless i,m blind or living in a cave murphy was always a good hitter since he came up in 08. lets all hope as mets fans i meen real mets fans that murph will be a part of this young core of davis wright,meijada and martinez and do his part to be a good player and help the mets win ..

by lohaus#54 on Apr 23, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Murph a lot and would love to see him develop into a supersub

but I just don’t have faith in his defense. He was surprisingly good at 1st base last year but he still has little time there, 3rd base is his natural position and i remember hearing he was only average there and we know how the LF experiment went last season. I don’t know if he’ll be good enough defensively at 2B or the outfield to make his bat worth it. unfortunately, that is the only way that Murph sticks with the team beyond this year because Davis is here to stay. I doubt they send him back down, even if he eventually struggles (which he will at some point).

i honestly think he gets dealt somewhere else and becomes a slightly above average big league 1st baseman.

by Steve Schreiber on Apr 24, 2010 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

In the short term

Replacing Catalanotto with Murphy would be a pretty big boost for our bench.

by T Pac on Apr 24, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Curious about what you would want for Murphy back in return.

I know the Nationals lack controlled position player talent. Dunn’s been pretty good for us, but he could be traded at some point this year. If he is, we don’t have much worth playing at 1B for us. When I see a noncontrolled Adam Dunn at 1B, and Adam Kennedy/Christian Guzman at 2B for the Nats, Murphy would be somebody I’d have interest in while we’re waiting for Danny Espinosa to prove worthy of a full year at 2B in the majors by around ’12.

erskine has scored...now i can die in peace

by souldrummer on Apr 25, 2010 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Depends on what I think the rest of the season is looking like.

If I think we can win this year then I may try trading Murphy and maybe Parnell for Dunn and send Ike back to the minors so he can work on pitch recognition and hitting lefties better. What I would definitely try to do is trade for Chris Iannetta. Maybe Murphy and Barajas and/or a prospect could get him. The acquisition of Olivo makes it seem like Colorado doesn’t value him as much. He is a great power hitter who is pretty good defensively. For the future, a duo of Iannetta/Thole would be a fantastic offensive and decent defensive combo. Their offensive skill sets complement each other. I would also see if Nolasco was available and give Murphy, Holt, and someone else for him. Another option could be trading Murphy for Joel Hanrahan.Or Brandon. Phillips Or Murph for Sean Rodriguez. Or Meche, Harang, Sonnanstine, Oswalt, Sheets, Wandy, Webb, Capps, Dotel, Willingham.

by ror0071619 on Apr 25, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strasburg

I’ll accept nothing less.

And to top off their greatest season yet the new jersey nets scored 86 points...in double overtime. yes a professional basketball team only mustered 86 points in 58 minutes of basketball.

by Gina on Apr 25, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Irish Hammer

Murphy was never going to handle the 1B job. Davis has it now, and Jacobs will hit a bunch of HRs in Buffalo, and get that call up power spot, as a PH.
Murphy could be an excellent trade tool, but I would send him back to the minors to learn 2B, and OF corners. I like him on this team, getting 300-350 ABs. Super utility guy, with energy.
He always could be packaged in July, to an AL team (Boston), to get help later.
Danny’s also a guy that I would try as a catcher.
Use him properly, and he will always be an asset
use him wrong, he may come back to haunt you.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Apr 25, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Irish Hammer

That was really rude, whomever slashed out my blog. I guess you must be an employee of Minaya, or that donkey Obama.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Apr 25, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

dude, it's a formatting error

Nobody’s crossing out your comments.

by anonymous on Apr 25, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude,

 that’s why you’re anonymous. Please, erase it.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Apr 25, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't erase it

On this and all the other SBN blogs, text wrapped in hyphens (“-” characters) becomes crossed out.

by anonymous on Apr 25, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, then..

(FUCK YOU) ?

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Apr 25, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

what

Is this some kind of extremely subtle joke?

by anonymous on Apr 25, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's got to be, because this is making me laugh, anyway.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 25, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan,

Hey buddy,
+1

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Apr 25, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm laughing while I'm flagging.

Good stuff.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 25, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flag away

That’s probably what you do best.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Apr 25, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see you like "Mikey"

I like him too, but he don’t build bikes.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Apr 25, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

well,

you started it, why don’t you figure it out ?

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Apr 25, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay, now I'm laughing.

Seriously, re-read this conversation from the beginning, starting from where I explain how you accidentally crossed out your own post, and then tell me what you’re joking/upset/psychotically hostile about.

by anonymous on Apr 25, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're 'anonymous',

and there’s a reason for that. You could at least be original, and call yourself, “Smarter than ‘myrick4gm’”, or (something similar ?).

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Apr 25, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

His name is anonymous

He registered as anonymous. There is only one person on this site with that name.

by Brittannia on Apr 26, 2010 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, anyway Mr/Ms. Anonymous,

The fool you are is the fool you’ll always be. If I offended anybody else, including “Gina”, I’m sorry. I just got back from a road trip, and will be drinking beer for the next 12 hours, or so, so if you wish to argue, I may take you up on that for the next hour or so. I’ll win.
Let’s keep our thoughts on Ike Davis, who I believe, should end up being a better version of Todd Helton.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Apr 25, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude, you're the one who fucked up

The crossing out, it happens to all of us.
Now shut the fuck up Calm down, or you’ll get banned.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Apr 26, 2010 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

that should read

The crossing out, it happens to all of us.
Now shut the fuck up Calm down or you’ll get banned.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Apr 26, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude, you look REALLY dumb right now

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade Him

I detailed how the Irish Hammer could help the team in the future, but I believe his “girlfriend, Gina”, stepped in and killed my blog. I say trade him, for the best offer that Theo Epstein offers, but at least “Gina” may move to Beantown (where her fav, Pineiro was a bum).
I like Mike Jacobs better, anyway, and at least he could play at catcher, if needed.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Apr 25, 2010 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Murphy must choose

If you are Murph, by now you know:
 1.Ike Davis has your old job.
 2.Omar loves Alex Cora (but you can’t play SS)
 3.Injuries are apparent- this is Omar’s team.

In you favor:
 1.Bowman is gone.
 2.Hessman/ Cervanek will not play 3B if Wright gets hurt.
 3.You have minor league options.

So you:
 1.Volunteer to learn any/ all positions you can- even if it means going to St.Lucie.
 2.Prove that you are better than Catalanotto as a PH.
 3.Demand a trade.

As I’ve said before, I love Murph as a super-sub.I think he should learn the basics as a catcher, but I don’t see it happening in the progressive Omar/ Bernazard ( oops, you can scratch him out) world, but it’s food for thought.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on Apr 25, 2010 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

This was a wierd comment section

I’m not sure what happened here. I did learn that Gina is dating Daniel Murphy, so congrats on that.

by Brittannia on Apr 26, 2010 5:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, just noticed that. Good for her.

Moving to Boston is a big move from the South, so good luck with that, Gina.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 26, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, she might have to help Danny with his

“I’m Daniel Murphy and I bat third” problem

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Apr 26, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, congratulations to her.

Although those long-distance relationships can be difficult. I hope those crazy kids make it work.

May you be locked in a battle of wits against Omar Minaya.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 26, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

lolwut

And to top off their greatest season yet the new jersey nets scored 86 points...in double overtime. yes a professional basketball team only mustered 86 points in 58 minutes of basketball.

by Gina on Apr 26, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Murphy gets his chance to super-sub (unlike Nick Evans)

 I think given time, Dan Murphy can be an adequate Utility player…if Skip Shoemaker (cardinals)/ Jeff Baker (Cubs)-both former outfielders can turn into decent secondbasemen…

why not Dan Murphy?

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Apr 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Seems to me Murphy would be a league average 3bman for a team other than the Mets,

and Minaya should have maximized his value by offering him as that in trade after the 2008 season. Now that Murphy’s value is down, what’s wrong with keeping him as a very good backup corner infielder, ph’er, and 6th OFer for the corners (I don’t think he was nearly as bad as some do—he just had a couple of highly visible disasters), or packaging him to a team that needs a 3bman?

There’s no way, none, that you can turn a 25 year old with no real experience at the position into a decent fielding 2bman. Baseball is a hell of a lot harder than that.

by Jack Str on Apr 28, 2010 1:09 AM EDT reply actions  

You answered your own question.

“Now that Murphy’s value is down…packaging him to a team that needs a 3bman?”

Why trade a guy when his value is down? That’s not to say it ever was all that high, but who willingly does business from a point of weakness?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 28, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

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