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Jerry Manuel's Bullpen Usage

With Fernando Nieve on pace for about 100 appearances out of the bullpen this year, I thought it might be a good time to check in on Manuel's use of the various talents he has at his disposal in the bullpen. It was a little... disappointing to see Francisco Rodriguez warm up about eighty times in that 20-inning marathon the other day, and it seems that Manuel has the more-or-less traditional approach to the bullpen in that he identifies some favorites that are "doing good" and goes with his guys (and leaves his closer for the Mythical Save Statistic).

On FanGraphs, there's a stat called Leverage Index, which attempts to put a number on how important a situation is. The higher the number, the more likely the outcome of the inning determines the game. Let's let FanGraphs speak for itself here for a second:

LI (leverage index): A measure of how important a particular situation is in a baseball game depending on the inning, score, outs, and number of players on base, created by Tom Tango.

Baselines: The average LI is 1 and is considered a neutral situation. 10% of all real game situations have a LI greater than 2, while 60% have a LI less than 1.

Why you should care: Because LI puts a single number on the importance of a situation, it creates a much simpler and specific way of determining which situations in games are important. It can also be applied to players. See below for various LI player stats:

pLI: A player’s average LI for all game events.
phLI: A batter’s average LI in only pinch hit events.
gmLI: A pitcher’s average LI when he enters the game.
inLI: A pitcher’s average LI at the start of each inning.
exLI: A pitcher’s average LI when exiting the game.

So, it seems that pitchers with higher gmLI numbers are entering the game in more important situations. It's almost a way to gauge how much a manager likes a player. Without further ado, here are the gmLI numbers for the current bullpen. I've sorted by gmLI (mostly) to give you an idea of who Manuel thinks are his best bully pitchers.

Pitcher xFIP '09 xFIP '10 averagle gmLI
Nieve 5.41 5.33 1.49
Takahashi N/A 3.38 1.42
Igarashi N/A 5.82 1.57
Rodriguez 4.32 4.03 1.28
Acosta 4.68 2.99 1.35
Valdes N/A 3.7 1.29
Feliciano 3.05 5.16 1.13
Mejia N/A 4.02 0.85

Yup, we knew that Manuel loved Nieve, but this love is a little ridiculous. He's got a poor xFIP, probably stemming from the fact that he's walking about as many as he's striking out, but he's being used, on average, in more important situations than K-Rod. That's not a good plan. Especially since his current xFIP is right in line with his career xFIP.

Hisanori Takahashi is a bit of a miscast bullpen pitcher. He's actually being used as the safety net sixth starter, and should be judged with that group most probably. Instead, let's look at Manuel's irrational love for another guy walking as many as he's striking out. Yes, Ryota Igarashi has been throwing almost 94 MPH, but the walks are not good. He needs to show better control on his return in order to really be considered the Set-Up Man.

I'd argue for more Manny Acosta based on this list, but we've seen that over the sample of his career, he doesn't deserve more time. Instead, let's lament the disappearance of Pedro Feliciano. Yes, he's walking too many (8 per nine). Yes, he's lost a MPH off his fastball. Yes, he's stopped using his slider. Wait, I bet there's something wrong with him. That, or it's just a small sample size blip.

If it's just the sample size with Pedro (ten innings!), he should be the one racking up high-leverage innings, don't you think?

PS. Why is Jenrry Mejia up if he's going to be the mop-up guy? SMH.

Poll
Who should be the Set Up Man?
Ryota Igarashi (when healthy)
146 votes
Hisanori Takahashi
31 votes
Fernando Nieve
31 votes
Manny Acosta
12 votes
Pedro Feliciano
127 votes
Jenrry Mejia
62 votes
John Maine
19 votes

428 votes | Poll has closed

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Feliciano probably stopped using his slider and lost a mph

because Jerry tried his best to kill him last season.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Apr 29, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

This.

Perhaps today IS a good day to die.
- Klingon proverb

by Thomas Wachtel on Apr 30, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

great post, but one piece of your logic seems very flawed
So, it seems that pitchers with higher gmLI numbers are entering the game in more important situations. It’s almost a way to gauge how much a manager likes a player.

This is only true if you give the manager credit for understanding leverage, and allocating his use of pitchers appropriately based on that understanding. Jerry Manuel, obviously, doesn’t. I’m absolutely sure that, if you asked him for a prioritized list, or looked for media quotes talking about, which pitchers he uses in the most “high-pressure” situations, he’d say that Feliciano was high on the list and Nieve significantly lower. The problem is that the situations he thinks are the highest-pressure ones are not the ones with the highest Leverage Index — for instance, Jerry obviously thinks late-inning pitching is always more important, and he greatly underrates the importance of good pitching when trailing by 1-2 runs.

by anonymous on Apr 29, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Another question

I assume “LI” is calculated as of the situation presented at the time. In other words, if it’s 2-2 in the bottom of the eighth with a RISP, but ends up a 12-3 game because of a boffo 9th, you have to consider the 8th a “high leverage” situation for purposes of evaluating bullpen use.

by tmu on Apr 29, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

. . . and

I agree with you re: understanding of leverage, but this is one reason these “leverage” stats aren’t particularly useful. If the players don’t perceive a difference, to what do we attribute any difference in performance?

by tmu on Apr 29, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's not what LI is for

It’s an objective measurement of how important to the game’s outcome a given PA is. That’s all; it doesn’t matter what anyone on the field thinks about the situation.

by anonymous on Apr 29, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

but I’ve seen people try to use it as an “intra-player” comparator to talk about [clutchness], and that doesn’t make a ton of sense (unless Eno is right and it’s pretty intuitive.)

by tmu on Apr 29, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

no I disagree with anonymous

Leverage is highly intuitive. Bases loaded, two outs = high leverage. nobody on, no outs = lower leverage. close game = higher leverage. big lead = low leverage.

So, even a manager who doesn’t understand numbers understands leverage. He’s really running Nieve out there in the most important points.

Also, tmu: gmLI is leverage when the player enters the game. The other LI numbers talk about when he exits the game, and his average leverage. gmLI is the most useful for this kind of analysis, because it says what the game was like when the pitcher entered.

by Eno Sarris on Apr 29, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks.

That makes sense. I should have read more closely.

by tmu on Apr 29, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't agree that Jerry understands leverage, however "intuitive" it seems to us

Take a look through the game threads this year — in at least half of them, I, JohnPeterson, Eric, and several other posters have consistently pointed out/bemoaned situations where he misallocates relievers based on his misperceptions of the situation’s relative importance.

by anonymous on Apr 29, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can be convinced

However, wouldn’t you say right now that Nieve is his Setup Man? and that Igarashi was his Setup Man? And they have the highest gmLIs on the squad…

by Eno Sarris on Apr 29, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not exactly sure how Jerry's brain works,

but I’ll hazard a guess based on what I recall of how he talks about it to the press. I think Jerry sees later innings as always/usually more important than earlier ones, almost regardless of the score and the game situation.

I think his preferred hierarchy is not so much Starter > Setup Guy > Closer — but rather Starter > 7th-inning Guy (if necessary) > 8th-inning Guy > Closer, where “7th-inning Guy” is your 3rd-best all-round reliever, “8th-inning Guy” your second-best, and Closer your best. This is why his worst blunders come in high-leverage relief situations before the 7th inning, where he generally calls on one of his worst relievers even if the game is effectively on the line.

by anonymous on Apr 29, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially the 20th inning game proves this.

Obviously Jerry thinks K-Rod is his best reliever, yet he didn’t bring him in to any of the super high leverage (5+ LI) situations in that game. Clearly he does not intuitively understand leverage.

What if he does, but the closer “save” status quo blocks this? Well, then we have to ask if the late-inning = high-leverage fallacy extends to the earlier innings— i.e., does Jerry think that Feliciano/Igarashi should pitch the eighth because they are better than the other options but not as good as K-Rod? I think this is what he thinks. From this we can infer that he uses Nieve primarily in the 7th inning because he thinks that he is the best of the remaining options (Nieve, Takahashi, Acosta, Mejia).

If we didn’t know so much about managers’ predilections for inning-specific “roles” (and Jerry in particular), we might be able to assume that Jerry understands leverage intuitively and that he thinks Nieve and Takahashi are his best relievers. Or perhaps he understands leverage intuitively and doesn’t think Nieve and Takahashi are best, but that they somehow have inning-specific skills (as absurd as that is). But I think we know that he thinks K-Rod is the best, and he just doesn’t realize that a lot of the highest leverage situations come in the 7th, when his “7th inning guys” pitch.

Sorry if that was long-winded and repetitive.

by JohnPeterson on Apr 29, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

no worries

in some ways, this analysis is nice to Jerry. For instance, his use of Takahashi as a safety blanket in the 5th and 6th in close games speaks well of his bullpen use.

His use of Nieve does not. Igarashi’s sample is a little small, so we’ll see.

by Eno Sarris on Apr 29, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

The set up man should obviously be Pelf. He can haz save?

The thing is, looking at tRA, Nieve has been pretty good as a RP. The league average tRA for RP is 4.44.

Yes, his BABIP is a bit lower (.243) than the league average for RP (.290) and he hasn’t given up any HR yet. However, compared to last year, he is striking out more people, getting more groundballs (45%) and generating lots of pop ups (13.5%), probably in large part because of his slider (3.08 wSL/C).

Looking at the table, you can also see that the top 4 tRA relievers were also the ones who pitched the most so far. By the number of innings, Jenrry and Perpetual Pedro follow them.

No, I’m not defending Jerry nor defending that Jenrry should be in the ML pen. Jerry might be intuitively using the “hot hand arm” to get outs. And it’s not yet clear if how long Nieve can maintain this kind of performance as a RP.

The number of Everyday Nieve appearances might be a flag, but he pitched just 2 more innings than Frankie, who seems to be underused.

In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.

by Michkin on Apr 29, 2010 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I prefer xFIP

tRA doesn’t correct for HR suppression. Look at Nieve’s component stats other than HR/9. You see a good pitcher right now?

by Eno Sarris on Apr 29, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

FIP accounts for K, BB and HR. His K% and BB% went up and he hasn't given up any HR. If you look at his xFIP, it's 5.33.

Comparing to last year, what changed in 2010 were components accounted for in tRA but not in xFIP. His GB% went to 45% and his IFF shoot up to 13.5% or Johan-like level.

And yet again, I never said anything about his true talent level, but that he has performed well so far. Thus reinforcing the idea of the managing the pen using the hot hand.

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by Michkin on Apr 29, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

good points

the groundball rate and infield-fly rate could be a part of this. and he’s hot. but I think the convo is “Who is his best non-closer pitcher in the bullpen.” I would still submit that it is not Nieve.

by Eno Sarris on Apr 29, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Who is his best non-closer pitcher in the bullpen." I wouldn't say Nieve either.

I was commenting on “Jerry using the hot hand RP” convo.

Frankie – closer
Tak2 – SP really
Pelf – 1 savez!
Igarashi – DL
Green – long gone hopefully
Stoner – AAA

So, there is only Valdez, Nieve, Feliciano, Acosta, Mejia. There isn’t a clear cut best here. Valdez and Acosta are meh/unknown. Feliciano is testing ways to get righties out. Mejia has the most upside, but Jerry told him to only throw the fastball (/facepalm).

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by Michkin on Apr 29, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

his regressed tra

isn’t as pretty and is slightly below average, though I’m not sure if the difference between 4.44 and 4.47 is big enough to be significant especially in such a small sample size.

Valdes regressed tra is also below 4.44 @ 4.49.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Apr 29, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

His regressed tRA is so close to league average because he doesn't have many innings to regress to.
tRAr: This is tRA, but regressed using the player’s past results as a baseline and the league averages when a large enough sample is unavailable.

Again, I’m not saying his true talent level is a 3.03 tRA, but that he has performed well so far.

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by Michkin on Apr 29, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also a big part of their tra's being so lower now

is probably that they’ve played 17 games at home and only 6 on the road. 17 games at home in a somewhat extreme pitchers park. I imagine that’s going to heavily skew every stat that doesn’t correct for home run rates, never mind the small sample size.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Apr 29, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

SSS

is of course a huge qualifier.

by Eno Sarris on Apr 29, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

SSS?

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Apr 29, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh nevermind i see

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Apr 29, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

1.Park Factor and HR 2.SSS

1.Park Factors: we don’t have 3 years of Citi Field to use yet but here are 2009 park factors:

Even if you dismiss that information. Let’s say Citi Field supress HR’s. If his abnormal HR rate is the sole factor to explain his past performance, why weren’t the other RP benefited from the park too? Feliciano hasn’t given up any HR either, but his numbers are ugly. That’s why I mentioned his GB% and IFF%.

2. He performed well in SSS, and Jerry kept using his “hot hand”. That was my point. I was talking purely about his past performance. If you want to do an analysis about his projected future performance, feel free to do it. It wasn’t my objective here.

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by Michkin on Apr 29, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can I vote "none" on the set up man question?

I’m of the school of thought that defined roles in the bullpen are counterproductive.

by KeithsMoustache on Apr 29, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, this.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 29, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.

I don’t agree with the closer, how can i believe in a single set-up man?

ain't had enough...

by BlackOps on Apr 29, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's why I capitalize it

 because it’s silly. But still, seems like Manuel has one in his head. He talks about it enough.

by Eno Sarris on Apr 29, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty certain that

this is what Manuel has in his head.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Apr 29, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a good thing we want to win now, and not a few days from now.

Mejia sure is really a part of all this winning.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 29, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Isn't that what Acosta is for?

Especially considering he hasn’t put together what he needs to put together in order to be super effective against hitting.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 29, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mejia

If he is up here, he’s the best of the group I think. Feliciano looks a little cooked to me. Igarashi? I don’t know, and he is hurt anyway.

by wobatus on Apr 29, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Big up Amazin' Avenue

Not this FanGraphs podcast that just went up, but the next one, probably going up over the weekend or early next week – I pubbed Amazin Avenue twice with some shoutouts. I’m really happy to join these guys because Eric, Sam, James, Howard and all of y’all are the best in the biz. I’m sure you’ll keep me on my toes all year and I look forward to it.

by Eno Sarris on Apr 29, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anybody think Manuel's usage of the bullpen has to do with

his job being in jeopardy and him managing every game like its his last. So he’s not really concerned with the whole year and what his players might look and feel like as the season goes on because he might not be there. I just feel like he cares about the now and whatever keeps his job right now mentality. Look at the Mejia roster move that’s a help me win/keep my job move not seeing that it hurts the Mets in the long run becuase who cares I might not be here in the long run. This is just how I see it.

by TheKid08 on Apr 30, 2010 2:00 AM EDT reply actions  

i agree

But then there’s Mejia. I guess he doesn’t trust rookies, or mabye there are Mejia rules from Omar..

by Eno Sarris on Apr 30, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's the thing,

there are no “Mejia rules” apparently. I fanshotted a Brian Costa article a while back and in it,

According to a team official, the Mets are content with manager Jerry Manuel using Mejia in a limited role and don’t have any kind of "Mejia Rules." Manuel is free to use him as he sees fit.

The team decided coming out of spring training that Mejia belonged in the majors, and as long as he pitches on a regular basis, they don’t believe pitching in a middle relief role will slow his development.

My main problem with Jerry’s BP usage is that he campaigned in the press for Mejia to be in the bullpen and he’s only mopping up? It defeats Jerry’s reasoning for having him up to begin with.

Sunny days ahead? Probably not.

by Brian. on Apr 30, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is, though

Even if he is managing the bullpen from game-to-game because his job is on the line, he’s not even doing that well!

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 30, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

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