How to Talk to Non-Stathead Mets Fans about the Cuts
Just read the script, below.
Mike Jacobs is so bad that the Kansas City Royals cut him rather than have him be a backup 1B/DH.
No one thinks Nelson Figueroa is a gift from heaven. His best attribute is that he is versatile -- he can pitch in short relief, long relief, and be a 10-start per season guy and give league average results. Right now, the Mets have four starters who are huge question marks. At least one of Niese, Perez, Maine, and Pelfrey is likely to melt down by the end of May. Waiting in the wings are Hisanori Takahashi, whose never faced Major League batters, and Fernando Nieve. There's a very good chance that Figueroa is better than either. To add insult to injury, we kept Sean Green -- who we could have optioned to AAA -- instead of Figueroa.
Kiko Calero? The Mets have been looking for a solid reliever for what, half a decade now? That's why Mejia is in the pen, for better or for worse. If he gets 60 innings pitched, puts up a 1.95 ERA, and strikes out 69 batters while putting up a 1.10 WHIP, would you call that a success? That's what Calero did last year for Florida.
Frank Catalanotto was released by the Texas Rangers right before the 2009 season. He was still owed $6 million.
The Angels wanted to get rid of Gary Matthews Jr. so badly that they decided to pay $21 million of his salary over the next two years just so the Mets would take him. Makes sense when you realize the guy had only four homers and 74 strikeouts to go with his 79 hits last year.
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I guess I'm not sure what the huge question marks with Pelfrey and Niese are.
At this point Pelfrey is durable and a solid middle of the rotation type, so I don’t understand his being lumped in with Maine and Perez. Niese also seems to be fairly durable over the course of his minor league career, and his hamstring was more of a freak injury type. If the Mets aren’t convinced that he is ready, I’m not convinced we’d ever end up giving kids from the farm a shot at the big league level.
I think the general pessimism surrounding the Mets is making people look at the rotation too harshly. Johan is a stud, and Niese and Pelfrey are perfectly capable (if somewhat average) starters that would fit into almost any major league rotation. Maine’s health is a concern, but when he’s actually taking the mound the results are solid enough.
Who cares how bad the Bay deal will look in 2013, the world is going to end in 2012 anyway
Think about your audience
I agree — Pelfrey and Niese aren’t question marks when you look at peripherals, but the non-stathead audience doesn’t see that. Pelfrey had an era above 5.00 last year. In 8 starts, Niese has a 5.22 ERA. And given that our Opening Day defense is horrible, don’t be surprised if Manuel decides to skip starts to get pitchers “focused”.
My take
I understand but do not agree with the Mets reasoning on Jacobs and GMJ – they want to kick the tires on some guys they think might get hot. Carter deserved to make the roster over Jacobs, and GMJ shouldn’t be here in the first place, but I think thats what they’re thinking.
Calero looked nowhere near ready to pitch in a major league game. I can understand not taking him, but if this nonsense about giving him an option not to go to AAA is true, then that’s a problem.
Figueroa I really don’t care for, but it makes no sense to take Green over him given how bad Green has been and the fact that he has an option. I don’t see any rational thought progression here. It seems to me that the only money they save would be whatever they’d have to give to Fig, which is what? Half a mil? Less? Meanwhile, they start Tejada and Mejia on the clock, which in the long run costs more than what they could have given to Figueroa.
Understood
But it’s not reasonable. GMJ, Jacobs, and Catalonotto legitimately suck. Just ask the Angels, Royals, and Rangers (and Brewers).
Calero could easily go to extended spring training or AAA. Effectively releasing him is silly.
Finally, the amount of money they save by releasing Figueroa $416,000; or $300k if he goes to the minors (where he’d get $119,500). Mike Jacobs gets $900k by making the major league team and has another $1.15MM available in performance bonuses, while Chris Carter gets roughly $400-500k. So you could have had Figueroa, for free, if you swapped out Jacobs for Carter.
Cost cutting for Figgy wasn't even a consideration, as whoever gets that spot on the roster is going to make at least that.
I personally don’t think the Mets are close enough to maxing their budget that cash was a consideration on any moves they’ve made with the final roster.
Who cares how bad the Bay deal will look in 2013, the world is going to end in 2012 anyway
by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 3, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The beat writers disagree
Well, kind of.
The rumor is that Green wasn’t optioned to AAA because of his salary ($900k), which of course is a sunk cost, but that’s neither here nor there. The Mets apparently don’t understand the concept and see it as a “waste” of $900k. But if you do the actual math….
that seems to be the same explanation for Igarshi as well.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
Igarashi is on a two year deal, so I think he's in a little different boat
Who cares how bad the Bay deal will look in 2013, the world is going to end in 2012 anyway
by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 3, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
would it really?
I mean you send him down for a few months to work things out and then bring him back up once he stops sucking. What difference really would the two year deal really make. Unless they think he’d refuse assignment.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
Minaya is definitely on the hot seat.
If he signed a reliever to a two year deal, he almost has to make the team. I can’t see Minaya sending him down, espescially since Escobar doesn’t appear to be close. I really didn’t expect too much from him in the spring anyway, as he needs a translator to talk to the catchers. I can’t see sending a 31 year old to the minors helping him become a better pitcher. I can see working with Barajas and Blanco helping quite a bit.
Who cares how bad the Bay deal will look in 2013, the world is going to end in 2012 anyway
by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 3, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
but if they're going to kick tires on someone who might get hot
why not kick tires on carter who has more positional versatility, has had success in AAA ball for years and hasn’t proven he’s not good enough to be a major league regular yet?
And the mets don’t seem to understand the concept of a sunk cost. Regardless of whether a guy sucks if they’re paying him they’re going to continue to send him out there, which seems to be the issue with igarasi as well as green, plus maybe they’re trying to make it look like they got something in the putz deal with green.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
The "Sunk Cost"
is why Minaya and Manuel won’t be fired. The Wilpons won’t pay another GM and Manger while paying the rest of Minaya’s and Manuel’s contract.
Manuel is making about 750,000 and is in the last year of his contract.
I doubt that Wilpon would bat an eyelash at eating that deal. Omar is an alltogether different matter, but two days before opening day is a pretty poor time to go gm hunting.
Who cares how bad the Bay deal will look in 2013, the world is going to end in 2012 anyway
by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 4, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but letting obvious lame duck managers/gms make decisions about handling top tier prospects, doesn’t really make much more sense than going gm hunting two days before opening day. I mean considering how poorly this whole things been handled I’m not sure that would be anything but fitting.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
The non-statheads
are on Minaya’s boat
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
some of them are
and some of them hate minaya but still agree with some of the dumbest things he does, like Jacobs over Carter/Murphy and Meija in the bullpen.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
I could even understand (not agree with) the argument that keeping Mejia up was the right move,
but not when the Mets are keeping Davis and Martinez in the minors. It’s like Omar is trying to half-ass f’ing up the team.
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 4, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still convinced Omar's the only sane person in the front office
and the madness in the front office has drained him of his love for baseball so now he’s trying to get the Wilpons to fire him so he can keep the money he’s owed and retire somewhere where he’ll never heard the world MLB or contract etc again. I mean it almost makes as much sense as the alternative right?
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
This is intriguing:
I’m still convinced Omar’s the only sane person in the front office
I’m now convinced you’re no longer a sane person.
just because it seems like all the people who were causing problems
during the duquette era are still around, and since Omar is the only one with any type of baseball resume, and he’s not the common denominator in this decade of crap, it’s hard for me to not think maybe he’s the only reason good baseball decisions get made.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
Well it makes about as much such
as one alternative, that Omar’s just this dumb, and it’s decidedly less frightening than the other one, that Jeff or some committee Jeff has put in charge is actually making these decisions and they just force Omar to explain them so they can scapegoat him, and fire him without actually changing anything.
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I'm sorry
but if you think Mejia should be in the bullpen, and that Sean Green should be on a major league team (and technically, I guess this includes the Mets) you can’t be my friend.
You just can’t.
"He has lobby myself, he has lobby Tony, so when these things came out, I was kind of a little bit you had to think about it."
-- Branch Rickey
Disagree on Figgy vs. Takahashi
Takahashi looks like a pretty good bet for an ERA no higher than about 4.30. Figgy has never been a safe bet for anything better than about 4.50. I think Takahashi has better stuff, has had the better career, and has had the better spring.
That said, they still should have kept Figgy, he just wasn’t one of the top 5 options for the rotation. But I’d still rather see him there than Ollie. And, he’d be perfect for long man if Takahashi were moved to the rotation.
What's really depressing for me
Jacobs, Green, Catalanotto, and Matthews making the squad are the ones that really bother me.
If the Mets were fielding a competitive roster, I could maybe live with carrying Tejada and Mejia for awhile if that’s what it takes to get the best team on the field. But add the above four to guys like Perez, Igarashi, Cora, Barajas, Blanco, and Nieve, guys who aren’t good but you knew they might have to carry, and suddenly you are looking at 10 players who should be close to replacement level. Add Tatis, Castillo, and Francoeur as guys who are barely above replacement level, but still well below average. And even if Tejada and Mejia perform admirably, given their young ages, they are likely to still be below average as well. That’s 15 players out of 25 on the roster that could hardly be expected to perform as regulars of any type. You’ll be lucky to get 6 WAR total from that group of 15.
There is just no reason to add guys like Tejada and Mejia to a team this bad unless you believe it will be good for their development. This team is not competitive.
Of the better players, Niese, Pelfrey, Maine, Takahashi, and Pagan have the talent to be average, but not much more. And Fernando Rodriguez could be a well above average closer, and Feliciano a good lefty reliever, but as relievers they aren’t going to be worth more than an average player either. Optimistically, you could hope to get 12 WAR total from this group of 7.
So the Mets are really asking 3 players to carry this team right now: Santana, Wright, and Bay. Without those three, this roster projects to about 66 wins tops. If you got 4 wins from each of those guys, you might get to 78 wins.
Now, I realize Reyes and Beltran are expected back before too long, but until they are back, I think the best you can hope is for this team to play near .500 ball, which is about what they did this spring. But add 5 wins a piece from those two, and a 78 win team is suddenly an 88 win team, about what the Mets were in 2007 & 2008. That’s a team that can compete.
So how long will the Mets be without Reyes and Beltran? My fear is that Beltran is not going to be back as soon as advertised. If the Mets know this, and know they can’t compete this year, they would have an additional reason to promote young players like Mejia: to help sell tickets. If you can’t sell a competitive team this year, then you need to get fans excited about the future. Mejia will have his innings limited anyway this year, so he doesn’t need to start all year. My guess is this is a marketing move.
I think Figgy is a competitor
He seems to go to the hill and throw, I think he could be a better choice than Perez in the long run. I don’t mind him going to AAA if he can throw some innings and be ready for that melt downbefore the end of May

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