Omar Minaya Isn't Making Any Sense
Omar Minaya is not an eloquent speaker. The Mets finally realized this, after some bizarre public speaking engagements (the Adam Rubin kerfuffle; "There is a smile on David Wright's face, a smile on Jose Reyes's face. But there is not an edge to them"). Assistant GM John Ricco held the Carlos Beltran surgery press conference in January, apparently because Omar was in an airplane and couldn't access a phone, or something. But Opening Day is near, and the monster has been let out of the cage. Omar is being quoted by all sorts of media outlets and it isn't pretty.
From Tyler Kepner of the NY Times:"If you see the teams in the World Series, they’ve got power," Mets General Manager said. "You’ve got to be able to break the game open. It’s not only home runs, it’s slugging. I think the right word is slug. You’ve got to get the extra bases."
Let's hop in the time machine back to October 5, 2009, and Omar and Jeff Wilpon's appearance on WFAN. Per Metsblog:
Wilpon said Minaya and his staff intend to always build a team around pitching, speed and defense, and so the team built a ballpark with that in mind.
Minaya said he feels it is always easier to win when playing ‘National League baseball,’ and when pitching strong.
So which is it, power or run prevention? The "pitching, speed, and defense" mantra seems like an attempt to reassure the fanbase and media that the Mets actually have a plan. The signing of Jason Bay, the acquisition of Gary Matthews Jr. and the failure to improve the starting rotation this past offseason directly contradict that supposed plan, making Omar look a tad ridiculous. Players who can contribute to increasing the differential between runs scored and runs allowed (be it through power hitting, on-base ability or defense), should be pursued. In reality, it's likely that Omar's thoughts are more consistent with the following quote from Yankees GM Brian Cashman from that same NY Times piece:
"You have to have a nice blend," Cashman said. "Basically, you have to be a quality pitching team with quality defense, and I still think you have to have — without question — power."
Omar should parrot this statement whenever asked about his team building philosophy. No controversy, no doublespeak, no looking foolish. It's vanilla but it's a lot better than "pitching, speed, and defense" followed by 4 years, $66 million handed over to a defensively-challenged, power-hitting corner outfielder.
Here's Omar on Bobby Parnell, via Brian Costa at the Star-Ledger:
"I think sometimes you’re going to have situations where you just need to go work on a certain pitch. You need to work on something.... Bobby, though he throws velocity, we want to see some of his off-speed stuff get better."
You know who "throws velocity" and also could use some work on secondary off-speed pitches? Jenrry Mejia! You know who has no major league experience, is 20 years-old and will be on the Opening Day roster? Jenrry Mejia! Sending Parnell to AAA Buffalo is totally reasonable, but this explanation flies in the face of Mejia's handling. Especially when the Mets' manager is encouraging the youngster to stick with his fastball, eschewing development of off-speed stuff.
Adam Rubin at ESPN New York passes along Omar's explanation of the Nelson Figueroa and Chris Carter cuts:
"We had some guys that can do that role that Figueroa has given us," Minaya said. "... The Carter situation is, when you have (minor-league) options, sometimes options work against you. And I think right now, when you put a team together, you really want to have numbers. ... I'd rather have two options available than make the move and only have one and then have to go out and look for somebody else."
Several community members have already touched on the contradictory nature of these comments as they pertain to handling of Mejia, Figueroa and Sean Green. Option-less Figueroa was cut, but option-rich Mejia and Green made the team. Figgy was probably never seriously considered, despite a strong spring, one disastrous appearance notwithstanding. Likewise, it's obvious that Carter never had a shot because of Mike "It’s where I think I should have been anyway" Jacobs and Frank "Smithtown's Own" Catalanotto.
Omar hasn't made much sense for a long time now, so none of this is exactly shocking. And ultimately actions speak louder than words when it comes to roster management. This applies to all GMs--Theo Epstein says some publicly available defensive statistics aren't legitimate. Yet he moves 26 year-old Jacoby Ellsbury (-10.6 UZR/150 in center) to left field from center field, to accomodate 37 year-old Mike Cameron (+5.7 UZR/150 in center). Clearly Omar wants to say pleasant things about the players in Mets camp, but playing the option card for Carter and ignoring it for Figgy is a slap in the face to the well-traveled righty. It would be nice if, just once, Omar could not put his foot in his mouth when he speaks.
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Totally
agree. Its almost like Omar isn’t making the real decisions, he’s just there to be the parrot…
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
Yeah I was about to comment saying this
it seems more like he’s trying to rationalize others decisions, on the other hand Omar doesn’t exactly have a history of being articulate so it could just sound like that cause he’s Omar. The mets should take that 3 million they saved with the Wagner trade and send their front office to the best public speaking class money can buy.
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What's the point?
Its obvious to me that Omar doesn’t even make the calls anymore and it’s Jeff Wilpon. But for whatever reason the Mets have the desire to keep Omar on to say nonsensical things to explain the nonsensical approach the FO takes.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Apr 4, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure Omar doesn't speak clearly because
he doesn’t think clearly. That’s not a random insult. People who can’t speak well usually don’t because their thinking process is lacking. As much as you hear, “it’s not what you say, it’s what you do,” in order to DO the complex job of GM well, you have to be able to reason, create and follow a logical plan, and all the things that Omar’s speaking ability does not suggest he can accomplish.
Don't think it would help Omar
at this late state of the game. He appears to be incapable of thinking before he speaks most times and letting emotions get in the way of what he says.
As this article and others have pointed out, he contradicts himself all the time.
They might not want to give the real reasons for some of these moves, but you would think Omar especially would put some thought first into how he was going to respond, knowing he was going to be asked these questions.
I don’t know about you all, but this just smacks of what we have suspected all along – they don’t really have a plan. Because to me, even if Wilpon is calling the shots, if Omar had any kind of talent for public speaking, we wouldn’t be walking away scratching our head, wondering exactly who is running the show and what in the heck they are doing.
by MetsFan4Decades on Apr 4, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I don't feel like
Omar was ever any good at public speaking and that’s what makes it even more ridiculous that they’re asking him to explain their horrible moves.
And since he doesn’t care anymore, he’s half-assing the job.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
next up
is mr omar mina… miya… mina not gonna work here anymore, anyway.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
epic bob reset
Jerry and Omar assclowns for life
by Ghost of seven in a row on Apr 4, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't defend this guy anymore
But as far as getting a starting pitcher via free agency, we all know that was the Wilpons. They just won’t admit publicly that they’re cheap. I don’t want to hear about how much they’ve already spent, they put a lot of it in the wrong places (Omar) and could at least go the extra mile to please their fans.
by SamsHops on Apr 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ahh the season is less than 24 hours away and my hatred of Omar is refreshed.
Thanks AA-It must be Spring.
Jerry and Omar assclowns for life
by Ghost of seven in a row on Apr 4, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
This reminds me
Of how grateful I am that Omar traded Billy Wagner for Chris Carter rather than taking a draft pick as compensation. Then used the saved money to cover Alex Cora’s contract, and is now burying Carter in AAA.
I'm kind of surprised MSM isn't calling them out on them
considering how much they love to talk about the Wilpons cheapness and their financial woes. You’d think they’d be all over trading Wagner for a player they’re burying in AAA.
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That would take the MSM
connecting some dots and figuring out that Billy Wagner turned into draft picks. I LOVE steve sommers, but I called WFAn one night (i took some xanax and was really emotional, this was at the time a frenchy extension was being discussed) to complain about Omar. I mentioned us trading Wagner when we could have recieved draft picks and he took it as me being worried about Wagner coming back to kill us as a brave. He even said he wasn’t worried about Billy thriving in ATL….
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Apr 4, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The schmoozer sometimes gets lost. But he’s a much more tolerable listen than Marc Malusis or his former boss for example.
Sunny days ahead? Probably not.
Steve Sommers is the only one worth anything on WFAN, if just for comedic value.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 4, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
2011 here we come!
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
The 2009-10 New Jersey Devils: Allergic to second periods
Not trying to be obnoxious here, but...
Is Omar the only GM who didn’t go to college? I couldn’t recall ever reading about his education, and after some Googling I couldn’t come up with anything.
When you think about it, is it really that surprising that the Red Sox are run so well and the Mets seem to be floating aimlessly along without a plan? Theo Epstein has an Ivy League degree (Yale) and a law degree from one of the top law schools in the country (University of San Diego School of Law;) the guy is exceptionally bright.
I know this might come across as elitist, but I think a team would be crazy to hire a GM who hasn’t graduated from college. The business of the game has changed and so have the responsibilities of the GM. It’s not that I don’t think Minaya can’t be a valuable high level person within the organization (or that he wouldn’t have been a good GM in a different era,) I just think that in the modern game it is best to hire guys like Epstein to run an organization.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
i'm not sure he'd be the only one
I’ve read some articles talking about the academia vs scouting refering to guys like Epstein who weren’t scouts before being gms but came from academic backgrounds.
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Whether or not he's the only one,
I still think the modern game now requires a GM with skills that go beyond what was traditionally required.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
I don't think Theo is really a very good example
You can’t pick arguably the best thinker as a fair counterpoint.
Doug Melvin came out of baseball, I think. Which is how baseball has always been. It’s only in recent times that there have been many college graduates at all in baseball.
If it were me, I’d want a college graduate. But Fred is old-school.
Why not?
And you’re helping me make my point.
Which is how baseball has always been. It’s only in recent times that there have been many college graduates at all in baseball.
This is precisely my point. I know this is how baseball has always been, but GMs like Theo is where the game is going. I believe there was a post on this site that discussed how Minaya ascended to the GM position at the wrong time; it was right at the beginning of a paradigm shift. Like I alluded to above, I think he would have been a great GM in the 80’s, but it isn’t the 80’s anymore.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
I'm not making your point
I’m making the point that it’s not 1980, but it’s not 2025 yet either.
You know what would be awesome?
Getting ahead of the curve for a change. I still don’t see how using Theo as a counterpoint isn’t fair. I think it’s fairly obvious that hiring people with college degrees isn’t a fad and that we’ll see teams returning to hiring career baseball men as GMs.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
Because saying that Omar isn't Theo-level smart -- well, duh.
Comparing him to the mean would be fair.
I’m not arguing that the way things have always been done is the best way of doing them. I wouldn’t argue that. But, alas, you and I don’t own the team. If wishes were horses, you know.
But the comparision wasn't meant to be fair.
I know it isn’t fair, you know it isn’t fair, and everybody knows it isn’t fair. That’s the point. Who the heck wants a GM running their favorite team that inspires pity replies on a blog when his intelligence is compared to the intelligence of one of his peers?
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
you know what else isn't fair
that we’re stuck with these buffoons
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Yeah unfortunately as long as Fred is owner
I don’t think we’re going to leave the 80s.
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At least we're ahead of the Raiders, then
Their owner is still stuck in the 70’s.
Omar & Jerry are conspiring to drive me to drink. That, or they're just honestly totally incompetent.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 6, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure.
I don’t believe he’s the only one not to graduate. Kenny Williams, for one, attended Stanford on a scholarship and left to play pro baseball before graduating. For what it’s worth, I don’t think Williams is particularly book smart but he is a pretty good — and often underrated — GM. I’m not sure Doug Melvin ever went to college at all, and he’s been a very good one over the years.
Also, Frank Wren only has a two-year degree. I’m undecided on his merits.
For what it’s worth, I don’t think it’s necessary to have a college degree to be a good GM. The skillset required today is pretty, and you can always hire good people to make up for your shortcomings. And much of what you’d need can be learned through long experience in front offices. Would I prefer someone with a college degree? Probably. But a college degree doesn’t mean you’re intelligent, and I’d certainly pay attention to a candidate without one if he had other positive traits.
Fair points.
Didn’t mean to imply that it was necessary, but I just feel that if you’re hiring someone to run your entire organization wouldn’t you want someone highly educated and intelligent? I know I would. Of course, there are outliers who will either have an incredible resume and track record or who could knock your socks off in an interview room, but again, I think that in 2010 and onward if will become harder and harder for those kinds of candidates.
I also disagree with “[b]ut a college degree doesn’t mean you’re intelligent.” I believe that a person needs to possess a certain level of intelligence to get a degree. This doesn’t make that person a genius and of course certain degrees are easier to obtain than others, but, for the most part, if you graduate from a four year program you should be in a higher intelligence bracket.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
I'm not sure I agree graduating from a four year program means
you’re in a higher intelligence bracket. I’m sure plenty of people that fall in the average iq bracket. There’s a pretty massive range of academic difficulty from 4 year programs.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
Let's also be a bit practical and less semantic here.
If the Mets are in the market for a new GM next year and they’ve narrowed the pool of candidates down to 5 people, I’m fairly confident that they’re four year degree would be from an institution at the higher end in the range of difficulty.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
if you're being practical
why are you assuming any of the 5 the wilpons chose would have a 4 year degree.
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I left myself open for that one.
I’m too tired to continue this debate any longer and I probably shouldn’t have brought this up anyway.
Let’s keep on hiring ex-MLB Minor League players who never went to college and who probably barely paid attention in high school (since they were star baseball players) to run the front office of multi-million dollar organizations.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
Oh I don't disagree with your overall point
But as long as Fred’s around I don’t think anything’s going to change, and I don’t even wanna think about what will happen when Jeff has full control.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
I honestly wish there was a way we could listen in on one of their organizational meetings.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
I don't
I think it would be frightening. Like I really think as bad as we think things are, they’re probably ten times worse.
And speaking of degrees does Jeff have any education above high school? Wikipedia doesn’t mention anything and wikipedia never lies. But, and maybe I just have a poor concept of filthy rich people, I feel like a multimillionaire dad would make his kid go to college, at least before handing him to reigns to his companies.
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It's not necessarily the degree itself,
it’s the IQ. When I hire someone for State Government (I am a supervisor in a state agency), I use educational background as an IQ marker, since I can’t give an IQ test. Once I have weeded out jerks and unqualified people, I tend to pick the person who I think has the highest IQ, and I have been pleased with the results. I would respectfully suggest that the Wilpons try the same thing. If they had, they wouldn’t have selected Torborg as Manager (who thought he was managing the ‘65 Dodgers—utter incompetent dope) or Willie ("I’m not a big numbers guy") Randolph or Jerry (“I’m not a big numbers guy”) Manuel or Omar (“Struggles to be coherent”) Minaya. If, in modern baseball, you don’t have a taste for quantitative analysis, then you don’t have sufficient intellectual curiosity or acumen. I’m not saying that anyone has to be a slave to the statistics, but statistics are information, and you should understand them before you ignore them. Ignoring them before you understand them leads to too many ABs for Miguel Cairos and too many $ spent on Alex Coras and so on and so on.
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