Philles Interested In Nelson Figueroa
Figgy as a Phillie would be unfortunate, but I would root for him even if he faced the Mets.
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It's the best way
for him to get revenge for his bad treatment. I like Figgy, I hope he lands somewhere that’s good for him.
Talk about insult to injury.
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
The 2009-10 New Jersey Devils: Allergic to second periods
Should say "Talk about ADDING insult to injury."
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
The 2009-10 New Jersey Devils: Allergic to second periods
Of course.
And he will go on to win the Cy Young.
Or better yet, we’ll get Cole Hamels as compensation.
you know what I'm sayin' ?
Motherfucker...
That’s the only way to describe the feeling right now…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 5, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions
when he's probably better than
a good number of pitchers who will be making starts for us this year yes, and when he could have easily been kept yes.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
Santana, Maine, Pelfrey, and Niese are all easy calls over him.
Personally I’d take Takahashi as well, and Nieve seems like a better fit coming out of the bullpen and occasionally making starts. My only complaint is that Mejia is being rushed at his expense, but guys like Figgy are fairly readily available and easy to acquire.
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 5, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maine isn't a lock to stay healthy though
More than likely he’ll give us 130-150 innings, and then you have to make up his extra innings as well as the 5th starters, plus your regular Ollie implosions, obviously Takashi can’t do all that himself, and it’s just unlikely that each of Santana, pelfrey and Niese will all be totally healthy all season so there’s going to be innings to pick up there. There’s more than enough innings to go around for Takahashi, Nieve and ???.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
Guys like Nieve and Figgy end up going through waivers all the time,
and if it really gets bad there’s always options like Pedro and Washburn out there.
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 5, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
So what happens if Ollie is terrible, Maine breaks down and Niese is’nt ready? Then what? Figgy is’nt a savior but he’s depth. I’d rather Figgy start then Ollie any day of the week. Point is Green should be in Buffalo and Figgy in Queens
At that point we really aren't going to contend, so does it really matter what roster filler is out there pitching?
And FYI, Niese is ready.
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by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 5, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitching depth
and with an organization like this if a couple pitchers break down and god forbid Jerry and Minaya are here at the trade deadline I would’nt put it past them to make a move and jeopardize the Mets future by trading away are “chips” to save their jobs
Assuming they still have jobs to save by then.
The baseball gods can’t be that cruel, can they?
Omar & Jerry are conspiring to drive me to drink. That, or they're just honestly totally incompetent.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 5, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If Perez, Maine, and Ollie are out or demoted and Tak2 and Nieve aren't adequate options,
I just can’t see the Mets as buyers even in that scenario. Figgy is a nice enough piece, but if that’s all the Mets need those guys are readily available all the time.If anything, Omar does a pretty decent job finding useful parts on the scrap heap.
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by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 6, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Admittedly
but I really think people have a distorted view of how good the guy is. He throws soft and when his breaking ball isn’t working, he’ll get hit hard. I can only cry so much for a pitcher who had a 5.00 tRA last year
Not so much about the player as much as the decision process.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 5, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
the decision process is that we already have two starters in the pen
and figueroa’s services aren’t so highly rated. there isn’t much more to the process than not liking figueroa
"No disrespect to the batter," Figueroa said, "but tacos are good."
by inventor frank on Apr 6, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Two starters in the pen, one of whom (Nieve) isn't very good, and the other one (Tak2) is a question mark for the time being.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 6, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
figueroa also
“isn’t very good”
takahashi is a lefty, and has had long and successful career in japan. nieve at least has stuff and is somewhat intriguing after showing the kind of success that figueroa did last year as a starter.
its not unfathomable how someone would find nelson figueroa the least good of the three.
"No disrespect to the batter," Figueroa said, "but tacos are good."
by inventor frank on Apr 6, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Possibly, but that doesn't excuse letting him go like this
Especially since we knew it was going to happen. You’d think that Omar might value pitching depth, especially given the injuries we suffered last season.
Omar & Jerry are conspiring to drive me to drink. That, or they're just honestly totally incompetent.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 6, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
and especially since they apparently avoided
so many quality players because of injuries, you’d think that same thought process would make them think with so many high risk players in the rotation maybe I should avoid letting depth go too.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
And especially since
injuries exposed our lack of depth last year, and Omar has always spent the winter shoring up the previous season’s weakness.
Omar & Jerry are conspiring to drive me to drink. That, or they're just honestly totally incompetent.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 6, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
they figure a guy like figueroa is replaceable
and its not such a wild assumption
"No disrespect to the batter," Figueroa said, "but tacos are good."
by inventor frank on Apr 6, 2010 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions
nieve fell into our laps last year, for instance
"No disrespect to the batter," Figueroa said, "but tacos are good."
by inventor frank on Apr 6, 2010 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions
but Green isn't?
a roogy is possibly the least useful bullpen piece to have. And Nieve fell into our laps but we needed way more than just Nieve last year, and we’ll likely need more than Nieve and Tak-2 this year.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
Figueroa isn't very good, but he's better (arguably) than Nieve, and more versatile than Nieve.
Figueroa not being selected for the MLB team is effectively releasing him- he’ll either be gobbled up by waivers, or to go to Japan (being as that he’s said this is his most likely course of action). In either case, we’d lose him over a starter/reliever who has a similar skill set that he does (Nieve), or, to a player who’s fairly inferior in most ways (Green, let’s say).
It’s indicative of the talent evaluation problems the front office has.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 6, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It's indicative of your talent evaluation
Figueroa isn’t any more versatile than Nieve nor is he better. I understand the argument for keeping him, but to make it into “he was such a better option” than Green or Figueroa is not persuasive.
Is he really not a much better option than Green?
How useful is a roogy? I’d imagine there are more guys going through waivers all the time who can fill greens role than Figgys.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
Disagreed.
Averaging the projections made by Bill James, CHONE, Marcel and ZiPS, Figueroa is supposed to have an average ERA of 4.69, while Nieve is supposed to have a 4.72. With their FIPs, Figueroa is supposed to have an average of 4.45, while Nieve is supposed to have a 4.66. Nieve has the edge with K/9, with 7.23, as opposed to Figueroa’s 6.78. Figueroa has the edge with BB/9 with 3.28, as opposed to Nieve’s 3.90.
But, that’s just comparing Figueroa to Nieve. Figueroa, we know he can get outs from guys on both sides of the plate. Sean Green, not so much. Is Figueroa more multidimensional than Green because of that? Certainly. Is having Figueroa coming out of the bullpen a better alternative than Mejia? I would say so, yes.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 6, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
and can Sean Green spot start?
hahahahahahahellno
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
I don't really think those differences in FIP and etc
are really enough to be considered significant, considering we’re talking about projections those could just be their 50% numbers and obviously if Nieves ceiling is much higher those numbers would definitely make them close enough to go with Nieve, at least IMO and obviously it would depend on the range of their projections.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
I like Igarashi over him,
Green is the one that bothers me.
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 6, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
i would mind igarshi so much
if i thought Jerry would use him properly, and/or he would prevent Jerry from running Feliciano into the ground. But with Jerry where there’s a will there’s a way.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
The point is
with all the question marks with are pitchers 2-5 why not keep him. He got no respect from management. I hope to god he goes to Philly and gets a ring.
Fuck that shit
I hope he gets lit up and has to crawl to Japan
Look I like Figueroa, and he did get screwed over somewhat, but let’s not make him out to be Tom Seaver
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
I'd rather keep him than not
but he’s gone and I don’t particularly care. I hope he finds success, unless he’s on the Phillies.
I’d rather keep him than not
but he’s gone and I don’t particularly care. I hope he finds success, unless he’s on the Phillies.
I agree, I don’t really care about Figs. The annoying part is again, the thought process, or lack of one, that got them to where they got. But I don’t think Figgy is very important, or good, quite honestly. He is good depth, but I wouldn’t ever want him making more then 2 or 3 starts in a row, and Nieve can do that, but still, I would have preferred they kept him, but it’s not really losing Figgy, it’s the questionable decision making that got them there. I think Figs FIP has been a result of 3 or 4 small sample sizes crammed together.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
when we're carrying Jenrry and Sean &%$#ing Green on our big league roster, yah
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Green at least tends to be a good weapon against righties.
But in all honesty, why are we carrying a ROOGY?
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by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 5, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nieve is a 2 pitch guy
He’s much better suited to the pen IMO
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by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 5, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of his ML career, he's been in the bullpen.
A pretty brief career, but…The Astros gave him 11 starts in 2006, and our 7 starts add up to his career 18.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Apr 5, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Pelfrey?
I can understand you maybe thinking Pelfrey is closer to a back end of the rotation starter than a front end, but you can’t honestly say he’s not of starting pitcher quality. He’s a workhorse inning wise, and he’s not exactly a flamethrower. So why put him in the bullpen? His groundball rates are exactly what we should be encouraging from our starters, and if we had anything near a competent defense, that would be obvious to even the less educated Mets fans.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
No I said he had 2 pitches
I’m not sure what any of the rest had anything to do with what I said.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
OH
I thought you meant he’s better suited to the pen, like Nieve, not that he had only 2 pitches. In my defense, it was sorta unclear.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
But in Pelfrey's case, one of those pitches is a sinker which is much more suited to starting.
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by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 5, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He throws four pitches
If you’re just making a judgement about 2 of them not being good enough, which ones?
He has a FB, Sld, and Chg
His slider is ok, but it’s nothing to write home about.
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by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 5, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I've always thought of his slider like a change because it doesn't move
Pelf really has great movement on his fastball and his slider is 7-8 mph slower. I think the change in speed change in spin are what makes him able to throw it, but it was a bad pitch last year.
he actually throws a curveball
sometimes too. It sucks, I don’t know why. I agree FB and CHG are his best pitches, but those are a particularly good two pitches for a starter.
According to Fangraphs, he never really threw the curve much until last year.
I kind of wonder if they are just confusing that with his slider when it’s a few ticks slower (like Mariano’s slider???)
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by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 6, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
according to pitch f/x
there’s like a 5 mph difference, that seems to be more than a few ticks. and a pretty significant difference in vertical break, 4 feet.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
I don't know which hurts worse, this news or my fractured foot.
Probably this. Makes me angry enough to kick Omar hard enough to break the other one.
Omar & Jerry are conspiring to drive me to drink. That, or they're just honestly totally incompetent.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Apr 5, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions
If the Phillies pick up Figgy --
I’ll hope that he faces the Mets and gets absolutely torched. Hell, I’ll hope that he doesn’t make it out of the first inning. I like Figgy and, sure, the Mets have jerked him around, but I certainly can’t wish him success as a member of the Phillies.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Apr 6, 2010 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
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