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Around this time last year, I wrote a post on MetsGeek taking a simple look at Manuel's bullpen usage.  With Perpetual Pedro and Nightly Nieve living up to their names, I was interested in making some charts to take another look at the bullpen.  One note, I used baseballreference.com and I believe the first game pitched counts as 6+ days rest, so adjust accordingly since I failed to do so. 

As we can see, Felicano and Nieve pitch a ridiculously high number of games without any rest (11 and 10 games.)  However, what concerns me more is that Mejia is third on the team in games pitched with no rest with 6.  As mentioned on this site, Mejia is not pitching in many high leverage situations so the rationale for why he has the third highest percentage of games pitched with no rest is beyond me.  Personally, with such a young arm that had never been used as a reliever before, I would prefer if Mejia's "days of rest" looked more like Raul Valdes.  While I am ignorant what is best for a pitcher's arm, it just seems like a young arm making the transition from SP to RP would benefit from adequate as well as (mostly) consistent rest. 

Obviously, the Mets have played in a number of extra inning and close games, thus the need for overusing RP is there.  However, even with the latter consideration Frankie and Takahashi's usage looks pretty optimal.  As they have been among our best RP, they have been used with no rest; however, they are also getting spots where they get a rest for three days.  Of course looking at my other chart, while Takahashi usage has been great, he still is on pace 109 innings out of the bullpen.  (Frankie is still sitting pretty, though his projected total innings would be above his innings pitched the past couple of years.)  Honestly, I don't know how modern day starters do out of the bullpen and if we should be worried about Takahashi's projection and, along the same lines, Nieve's.  I've heard that just as 120 pitches is the SP danger zone, 80+ games is (usually) the danger zone for RP but I'm not sure if there is an inning concern for RPs.  I'm interest in hearing the community's opinion on this one.

Now, I should note, that last year my charts had Frankie on pace for 82 innings, J!J! on pace for 99 and Pedro pitching in 96 games.  Of course none of these players came close to these numbers.  Over the course of the season, whether it's regression, Manuel pulling in the reins or a season ending injury, these projected season ending totals will change.

Aside:  I was going to look at preformace splits with regards to days of rest but the Mets pitchers are actually pitching very good (mostly ERA-wise) with no rest and poorly with 4 days of rest.  However, the sample sizes are way too small to get anything out of so I decided to omit it. 

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Though, maybe not like the 1974 version.

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by sj10689 on May 13, 2010 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Good post

I also figured it would be nice to add in the leverage-usage pattern of the different pitchers. Here’s the Mets’ bullpen by gmLI as of 5/13:

Nieve – 1.67
Igarashi – 1.57
Rodriguez – 1.57
Feliciano – 1.31
Takahashi – 1.19
Mejia – 1.14
Valdes – 1.13
Acosta – 0.93

by sjohnson125 on May 13, 2010 7:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Good call, should I have included this

Nieve is pitching a lot of back to back days but at least the rationale is because Manuel trust him as one of the best arms in the pen and is using him in tight situations. Mejia’s gmLI/days of rest doesn’t make sense to me. Unless he’s grooming him to learn how to pitch with a tired arm, which obviously is a fantastic idea. I do like Acosta and Valdes’ usage.

by Sokojoe on May 13, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

gmLI is a pitcher’s average leverage index when he enters the game.

Leverage Index us a measure of how important a particular situation is in a baseball game depending on the inning, score, outs, and number of players on base, Basically, the lower the pitchers gmLI the more likely the game’s outcome the pitcher is entering into has all ready been determined think Mop-Up Pitcher and vica versa.

Here’s a link to Tom Tango’s Leverage Index.

by Sokojoe on May 13, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ba-ZING!

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 13, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

if I were manager

last night I would have let Takahashi pitch the 7th and 8th.

no way I PH GMJ in the 6th with no one on and 1 out. why? let Tak2 hit and leave you rPH for later in the game. Now granted GMJ sucks and is better used there then with guys on base, but why have him on the team if you can’t put him in when there is a chance to score a run. Tak is PH for in the 8th and you have a fresh Nieve and Feliciano for the next game

by Rickfansince76 on May 13, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know what's worse:

the fact that Jenrry Mejia is being “abused” like he is by Jerry, or the fact that Raul Valdez is on pace for throwing around 84 innings. Mejia is worse, because, you know, he actually matters, but I don’t forsee much success with Raul Valdez throwing that many innings. He hasn’t been as bad as I thought he was going to be when he first came up, but that nagging feeling of “it’s coming” won’t go away.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 13, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Wasn't Valdes on the roster in order to free up Felicano from being a LOOGY

Yet Valdes on pace for 59 games and 84 innings and Pedro is on pace for 93 games and 70 innings. I mean based on a limited sample size, it’s a defensible move but going further back I don’t quite know why management chose him over Figgy.

by Sokojoe on May 13, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that Valdez was brought up to let Feliciano NOT be a LOOGY

I think he was brought up because, in effect, we only had one lefty, in Feliciano (There is Tak2 has/had that negative lefty split thing), and didn’t want Feliciano to get burned out.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 13, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummmm yeah.

Valdez L/R splits:
Vs Lefties:
5.2 IP (23 Batters), 6 Hits, 2ER, 9K, 0BB, 0HR FIP of -0.09 (That’s NEGATIVE 0.09), xFIP of 0.88
Vs Righties:
14.1 IP (60 Batters), 11 Hits, 3ER, 7BB, 1HR, FIP of 3.51, xFIP of 4.13

So the lefty numbers are ridiculous and the righty numbers are very tolerable.

by garik16 on May 17, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mejia worries me more

If he blows out his arm just for Manuel’s fucking job security

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on May 13, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with Manuel

is that I think he enjoys changing pitchers. Other than Valdes and Takahashi, the rest of the pen averages less than an inning, per appearance. And Takahashi is like the “backup starter”, so if somebody gets blown out early, he tries to get into the 5th or 6th inning. This is odd, as usually leftys are the G<IP, guys.
Guys like Nieve and Acosta would be better to pitch multiple innings, and save Feliciano and Frankie for the last inning(s).
The way Manuel uses these guys, almost the entire Buffalo bullpen will get a chance, but in thirds of innings.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way

by myrick4gm on May 14, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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