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Fernando Nieve Is Just Not Good

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Jerry Manuel is using one of the Mets' worst relief pitchers as his go-to setup man. Oh, Jerry.

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Fernando Nieve has a 3.54 ERA this year, and to no surprise, that's surely enough evidence for Jerry Manuel to believe he is good enough to be the setup man. When you delve deeper into Fernando's numbers this year -- and granted I know we are dealing with fairly small sample sizes so far -- you really see that Nieve has been quite lucky rather than good. And in this case, I don't think its 'better to be lucky than good', at least not over the long haul.

Nieve is walking over 5 batters per 9 innings; that's terrible. You might be able to get away with a walk rate that high when you strike hitters out at a high rate (hello, Francisco Rodriguez) and/or get a good amount of groundballs; Fernando Nieve really doesn't do either of those things -- his strikeout rate is a poor 6.2 K/9, his swinging strike% is a below average 6.8%, and his groundball rate, while not terrible, is under 50%. To no surprise, these peripherals spit out an ugly 5.05 FIP and an even uglier bullpen-worst (minimum 10 IP) 5.25 xFIP. What might be most disturbing is Jerry's ridiculous use (actually, its 'over-use', but that's whole different subject) of Nieve -- his pLI is a bullpen-high 1.62, higher than closer Francisco Rodriguez.

So then the casual fan probably wonders, well why is Nieve's ERA only 3.54 if his peripherals are so bad? Well, this is the part where Nieve has been very lucky -- his BABIP is only .202. The hits are just not falling in against him right now, so hes getting away with walking a ton of batters; but that surely won't continue, not with his O-Swing% right around average and the failure to miss bats. Fernando Rodney is a good example of a pitcher going through the same thing -- his strikeout and walk rates are terrible, though at least Rodney has gotten groundballs at a higher rate (nearly 60%), but his ERA is only 2.70 thanks to a BABIP under .200.

When Ryota Igarashi returns, the Mets will rightfully send Manny Acosta packing back to Buffalo, but if Fernando Nieve keeps walking hitters at such a high rate while not missing many bats or getting a ton of groundballs, the Mets are going to have to give strong thought to designating him for assignment, or at the very least, taking him out of so many high leverage situations. The 3.54 ERA will only last for so long.

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Good job, I agree 100%

Nieve is at best a middle reliever, but Jerry is using him as a setup man. But this is Jerry Manuel we are talking about, so idiocy is expected.

by twon8 on May 14, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

1 problem

sending acosta isn’t the right move. I’d rather live with crappy Nieve and Acosta than leave an equally ineffective Meija in the bullpen to the long-term detriment of both him and the team. Meija’s peripheals are nearly just as bad.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 14, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, yeah

But realistically, we all know the Mets aren’t probably going to do that.

by nmigliore on May 14, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oy, what a awful grammar lol. I meant the Mets aren’t likely to do that.

by nmigliore on May 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the general premise of this

but it is possible that some of Nieves peripherals looking so bad is because he’s being used so much that he’s losing effectiveness due to fatigue. Not saying he’s the savior of the bullpen, but they’re working the guy to death so its hard to gauge exactly where his talent ends and his misuse begins.

by KeithsMoustache on May 14, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree

you can not lool at his numbers per 9 innings because he usualy pitches an inning and he pitches 2 out of 3 games. The guy is overused, and his number suffer because of it. If he pitched a little less he is probably at 2.75, 1 walk less per 9 and who knows what else.

by Rickfansince76 on May 14, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Everybody used ‘per 9 innings’ when discussing pitchers, regardless of whether they pitch 1 inning or 7. Regardless, his walks are still too high. I do think being over-worked is a factor, but lets not ignore his career averages: 6.53 K/9, 4.06 BB/9 — hes never struck out many and walks have always been an issue.

by nmigliore on May 14, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like every met pitcher has benefited from luck this season, with the exception of Johan and maybe Takahashi. Every other pitcher’s ERA should be a lot higher than they are. I guess that is why you have to look at peripheral stats like FIP to get the full story

by MatthewM11 on May 14, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Werd life.

Nieve’s just a mediocre relief arm. I try explaining this to my dad, but he’s like “ehh he’s got a 3.50 and he throws 95!” He just doesn’t get it. Like Jerry.

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS

by nrmax88 on May 15, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

but unlike Jerry

our other members of our coaching staff or front office no one’s paying him millions to get it. I’m okay with a fan not getting it. I’m not okay with not getting it when its your specific job to get it.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 15, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we have any potential relievers at Buff?

Haven’t been following the pen there. I know we may need Dickey and maybe even Misch soon, and that we released Kalero. Is there anyone other than Iggy that could come in and help the pen?

by David G on May 16, 2010 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

We've got Dessens, Egbert, Stoner, Misch, Parnell, and Lujan in Buffalo, too.

Most of those guys have at least some MLB experience, and are at least better than Ollie, although that’s a low bar to hurdle. Can’t say much of anything about most of their stuff, but it should be noted that only Parnell and Stoner are on the 40-man already. The other 3 guys on the staff in AAA are starters, although in a pinch, I’m sure any of them could move to the bullpen.

May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.

by BobbyV_Incognito on May 16, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dessens

and Parnell are two options.

There may be sunny days ahead.

by Brian. on May 16, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Lujan and Bobby Parnell are interesting because they are hard throwers. Other than that, there really isn’t anyone of interest. Its really unfortunate the ‘good-upside’ guys like Calero (who was just released) and Everts have been atrocious at their respective levels.

Jose De La Torre is interesting righty in AA, but I doubt the Mets would consider calling him up.

by nmigliore on May 17, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

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