John Maine to DL

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so is ollie making his next start?

or are they going to call up someone else along with toyota?

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 22, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions

Tentatively, Valdes will make the start on Tuesday

Then Takahashi on Wednesday, and Pelfrey on Thursday

That’s according to Anthony DiComo

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on May 22, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions

that's decidedly less than inspiring

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 22, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Would I prefer Perez? Maybe...

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 22, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions

You seem to forget Perez's two starts against the Phils last year...

Both hideous

Of course, a good GM wouldn’t force his manager to have to turn to such god awful options, but sadly, we don’t have a good GM.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on May 22, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions

So, the projected rotation is Johan, Pelf, Tak2, Dickey, Valdes.

Projected Pen: Frankie, Nieve, Igarashi, Feliciano, Ollie, ~~Mejia~~, Dessens, Acosta

In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.

by Michkin on May 22, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions

they'll send down acosta first

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 22, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions

And they did!

by Evan_S on May 23, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions

there's an off-day so they can skip a 5th guy this week

by SuperT on May 22, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions

3/5 of our rotation right now are 5th guys

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on May 22, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions

That may be true but it also may be an improvement

Niese is basically a #5 right now, and Ollie and Maine are not anywhere near that good.

by Dan Lewis on May 22, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I hate to say it, but 2/5 of our rotation would have to improve

to be considered 5th guys. Tak may be better than that but is a real wild card. Dickey is something like a 7th starter (one season out of seven with an ERA better than 5.00 ) and Valdes may even rank lower than that. Still, Tak could turn out to be a midrotation guy with less durability, Niese may come back and be all right, and one of the Mets young guys could bring a sub 5 ERA to the majors. I honestly have no idea how this is going to turn out.

by Jack Str on May 22, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions

I think the definitions of 5th starter are getting out of the realm of reality here

In a piece done in 2006, the Hardball Times worked out the average ERAs of 1st to 5th slots throughout MLB. Here they are:

Lg #1 #2 #3 #4 #5
MLB 3.60 4.14 4.58 5.10 6.24
AL 3.70 4.24 4.58 5.09 6.22
NL 3.51 4.04 4.57 5.11 6.26
What immediately jumps out at me is how high the #4 and #5 ERAs are. If there’s one thing most people agree on when they talk about rotation spots, it’s that a guy with an ERA over 5.00 ought to be your #5 starter. As it turns out, fewer than half of major league teams could claim an ERA under 5.00 from their #4 spot.

In that year at least, NL #4 average ERA was 5.11 and #5 was 6.26. Now, ERA is indicative, not conclusive, but it’s interesting that people think an ERA just over five means you are definitely junk – actually it makes you an average #4 starter, at least in 2006.

by deadspy3 on May 22, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Excellent point. For my part I should have been clearer.

I’m aware of the numbers you mentioned, but should have stated that I think a guy like Dickey should clock in around 7th (or 8th or 9th) specificaly on the METS depth chart. I agree that a lot of people tend to think a guy with an ERA around 5.00 is a AAA lifer, whereas that level of pitching, if you combine it with the ability to throw around 25 starts a year, is worth a multimillion dollar salary.

Fangraphs ran an article that combined Figueroa’s 2009 ML numbers with his 2009 MLEs and showed he had John Lackey’s 2009 season. You don’t just chuck a guy like that on the DFA pile.

by Jack Str on May 22, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions