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Acostalypse Now Applesauce - Nix Walks It Off, Kelvim Escobar Is Toast, Free R.A. Dickey

I'm pinch-hitting for Joe -- hopefully I can be more like Lenny Harris and less like GMJ.

Star-divide

Meet the Mets

Laynce Nix tagged Manny Acosta for a walkoff home run and the Mets have lost three in a row. Ike Davis fumed about his late inning strikeouts. Jerry Manuel says he's having trouble finding playing time for bench players. Joe Janish was disappointed that his namesake, Paul Janish didn't play in last night's game. I'm disappointed that there has never been a Kannengieser in MLB.

Mike Pelfrey says the MRI performed on his right shoulder is nothing to worry about.

Kelvim Escobar is done for the season. Signing him seemed like a good idea at the time. Decent process, poor result.

Kiko Calero was shellacked last night by AAA Louisville -- 1.1 IP, 8 H, 7 R. Chris Carter went 3-4.

The grassroots movement calling for R.A. Dickey's promotion is rapidly gaining followers. There are dozens of us.

Anthony DiComo is replacing Marty Noble as the MLB.com Mets beat writer. Check out DiComo's blog, Mets Cetera. Fret not everyone -- Marty will still be writing feature pieces. I'm still hoping Marty publishes his memoirs.

In former Mets news, Brian Stokes and Scott Schoeneweis were roughed up in last night's 17-8 Red Sox win over the Angels.

Around MLB

Our own Eno Sarris and Brian Joura of Mets360 were the featured guests on FanGraphs Audio recently.

"Bro Tased In Philadelphia". That's a shame.

Athletics Nation provides some guidelines on managing pitchers.

Moshe Mandel at The Yankee U explains why there's no need to overrate Derek Jeter. Moshe is right -- Jeter is a great player, which even the most ardent Yankee-hater has to admit. But there's no reason to say he's the best player in the game today, or top five or six all-time. 

Capitol Avenue Club does an extensive review of the NL East and the Braves during the month of April. Good stuff on Base Runs and expected vs. actual record.

The Good Phight is asking for submissions to a new mailbag feature. First question -- what is Shane Victorino's problem?

Albert Pujols says Ryan Howard deserves every penny. Shocker.

Outside of MLB

Which movie will be best?

  • Gun, starring 50 Cent and Val Kilmer
  • Machete, starring Danny Trejo and Jeff Fahey
  • The Expendables, starring Sylvester Stallone, Dolph Lundgren and Arnold Schwarzeneggar

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why do you have to swear, I mean isnt this suppose to be friendly banter

this site should be clean enough for kids to read, I mean it is about baseball.

by Rickfansince76 on May 4, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

He should be

the Rusty Staub: The Later Years of AA.

From Fred to Jeff
and O to Jerr
Funny things
Are everywhere

- Dr. Seuss (if he were a Mets fan)

by StorkFan on May 4, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Rick

Grow up. Shower. Get job. Then come back and curse.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, what?

I’m so fucking confused.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

stay off my lawn

And pull your pants up.

by hotspur on May 4, 2010 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

HEY-O

The revolution will not be commented . . . on . . on a blog. Fire up the F-bombs, kids. This is no place for conformism. We’ve got BOLD REBELS here. I can’t use the Saab tonight? F*CK YOU, DAD!!!

by tmu on May 4, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now I'm really confused.

The internet has rendered me completely numb to both sincere opinions and outright sarcasm.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never mind

I’m confusing myself.

Rick has a point, but then, can’t a parent just add this to the list of “unsafe sites”?. . . I mean, at least until GMJ is released, to be safe? Unless you frequent barn-raisings, you should have the computer literacy sufficient to do that.

That said, there was no need to be all in his face uppity with another F-bomb, KNOWWHATIMSAYIN?

by tmu on May 4, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

I don’t know that I would have described it as “in his face uppity” to repeat the word “fuck” but, uh, different strokes, I guess. Anyway, the unofficial policy on this site has always been more “keep cursing to a minimum” instead of the outright ban that other fan sites have. If the occasional curse word is something that causes a person to go all fainting wealthy dowager then maybe they just move on.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

being a Met fan should not be like reading a Jane Austen novel. I agree.

Anywho, it’s amusing that it was Matt Cerrone’s Metsblog by Matt Cerrone Who is Cerrone? Cerrone’s Blog, etc. that was steeped in speech codes, but the only time they were enforced was one fine evening when commentators were piling on Cerrone. That was it — plug pulled.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

My two cents.

Swearing in print is generally a cheap way to generate buzz or interest in one’s writing (unless it’s fiction and serves a purpose.) It’s not like when you’re speaking and things just slip out. You have an opportunity to go back and edit yourself.

That being said, I found firejerrymanuel’s comment amusing. (I stopped myself from the obvious line here.)

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

I blame anonymous.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

what did I do this time?

(FUCK YOU)-type personal attacks aside, some of us enjoy salty language for its own sake — hard as it may be for the easily offended to believe, we’re not actually doing it to provoke you. It’s just part of the language.

by anonymous on May 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

And God forbid

you ever curtail anything you even moderately enjoy for the sake of not offending someone else.

Just sayin. . . .

by tmu on May 4, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah

I feel like the taser question and the swearing question might be converging somehow!

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man

gettin all self-righteous ABOUT cursing is a new one. Fuck!

by tmu on May 4, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And look who

has the “get off my lawn” attitude now??

Weird.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've got it all wrong.

It’s not “get off my lawn.” It’s “don’t stand on my lawn and complain about how you don’t like the way it’s kept. Fuck along, then.”

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

that’s it. Still douchebaggy.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moreso than complaining about curse words?

I doubt it.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I dunno. The guy points out that you have a site here that’s quite clearly going to be accessed by some children. A territorially pissy hissyfit ensues. Seems unnecessary, is all.

Instead, try: hey, Rick — appreciate your concern, but we think there should be a place to discuss the Mets on the web where one can be free to use whatever language one wants. The site has always been this way, and we’ve always had a fairly high level of conversation. If someone goes overboard with the F-bombs to the extent that any humor is lost, he probably won’t end up coming around here for long. In the meantime, I suggest looking into blocking the site if you are concerned about your kids accessing it.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you have a far different definition of "hissy fit" than I do.

And, frankly, nuts to “the children.” If they are old enough to be using the internet unsupervised, they have probably already heard and seen things far worse than the word “fuck.”

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing is

I’m by no means complaining about curse words or using curse words. I guess I’m not as funny as I think I am. My apologies

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there actually an "argument" going on here about cursing?

I thought it was 99% in jest, until now.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

I don’t know. I think so.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love how there was a big dialouge about swearing

What the fuck is going on?

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on May 4, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's my fault

(snif) Anyway, keep reading — there’s tasers below!!!!

by tmu on May 4, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i saw

I side with the law. Stupid fucking philly fans.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on May 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

But I ended up in this big debate where I was trying to make the other guy’s arguments. I’ve been really bored.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think getting tasered is horrible, and I wouldn't want too

But this is a douche bag who could’ve put the players in danger. And he’s a Philly fan.
Case closed

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on May 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been tasered by a friend.

It is NOT fun. It sucks hard. Perfect for a Philly fan!!!

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or some really douchey sportswriter

Wallace Matthews I’m looking at you

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on May 4, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

This might be the greatest post ever.

I kind of want to know the circumstances that led to you being tasered by a friend.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

SFlorida

Please tell me you had the good sense not to YouTube it.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frame it somehow within a baseball context, and make it a super awesome fanpost.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

tased by a friend?

what do your enemies do to you?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on May 5, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

tased by a friend?

what do your enemies do to you?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on May 5, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't bother me much,

but I wouldn’t call it especially creative salty language and I don’t think anyone’s creativity or humor or even venting capailities are really hampered by restraint in this regard. Quite the opposite.

Now, where’d you get that f__ing tortada?

by wobatus on May 4, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How are those things?

On TV, they look good, but I’m afraid, just because they’re from Taco Bell and all, that they’re crappy and will give me cancer or something.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

haven’t been to Taco Bell recently. There isn’t one near me.

by wobatus on May 4, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ted Berg did not approve

and he’s kind of an expert on all things Taco Bell. I’d say avoid it.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Ted does not approve,

tortadacan go to hell, then.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is confusing...showers?

i take them once a week whether i need it or not

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on May 4, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just scrape the dead skin

and dirt off of myself with a piece of shell

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

if there are any kids on AA

They’re probably beyond saving anyway.

If you’re gonna be a Mets fan, then you’re going to need a deep and rich vocabulary of profanity.

by hotspur on May 4, 2010 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have news for you

Kids curse more than any adult

by Evan_S on May 4, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is true

I have met few people in life as vulgar as the boys in 3rd grade were.

by SuperT on May 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a case in point

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on May 4, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I probably curse about ten times more online than I do irl

I don’t get how so many people my age curse like sailors outloud, it always sounds so awkward and forced to me.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 4, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats true

Like I wouldn’t go, in public, fucking fuck fuck fuck.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on May 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cuss so much less than I used to

And I really need to just about completely cut it out now with a 1 year old. I still get a little road ragey, especially since everyone in the DC area is a fucking moron, but that’s a sentiment best not expressed with a little child in the back seat.

In terms of writing, I’m not afraid to let fly with a four-letter, but I try to keep it to a max of one use every few blog posts.

But since we’re among friends:

fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

by dcmetsfan on May 4, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

well you can take that fuck

and stick it up your fucking ass, fucktard

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on May 4, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on May 4, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, shut the fuck up.

We’re not supposed to be cursing anymore. Shit…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, go fuck yourself for cursing man

This is a clean zone.
Oh, shit

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on May 4, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget

that anyone driving slower than you is a moron, and if they drive faster than you they’re a maniac.

I’ve got the baby in the back seat issue now too.

by wobatus on May 4, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I mean among friends either

I just never really find a team where using a 4 letter word out loud is all that effective. I feel like it’s more useful online just because you can’t use inflections/tones, out loud it just always sounds awkward and forced to me.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 4, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

though I also find swearing at the TV constructive.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on May 4, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My boss is like that

She curses like she’s on Deadwood. We have to tell her when her boss is roaming the hallways, since you can hear her a mile away.

When my wife curses it’s kind of funny because she’s russian, so if someone cuts her off in the car she’s like “look at this fahging piece of sheet.”

by wobatus on May 4, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahaha

a few of my coworkers are Russian and I can absolutely hear that in their voices.

by JoshNY on May 4, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear it in Niko Bellic's voice

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 4, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK universe,

I get it. I need to buy a PS3. You can stop using Gina to make your point.

by JoshNY on May 4, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

GTA 4 is on the 360 and PC

Rockstar loves all. But that was more just to say that Niko Bellic, and Borat, are pretty much make up my entire understanding of eastern Europe and Russa wherever that is.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 4, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m like Al Swearengen sometimes, especially during post season baseball or football and the Mets or Jets are playing.

On another note, is Al Swearengen the most appropriate rea name for a character ever or what?

by Evan_S on May 5, 2010 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's become very natural over the last 5 years for me

Most of the time I don’t even realize I’m cursing. I can (somewhat) control myself in a school or work environment, but I curse a lot in real life.

by Evan_S on May 5, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right

cause baseball players have never done drugs, used performance enhancing agents, been unbelievably greedy, cursed, fought, cheated, gambled…

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on May 4, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah well

S you in your A’s. Don’t wear a C and J all over your B’s

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on May 4, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Francouer still not striking out

while his AVg has dropped, he still has only K’ed 10 times.

by Rickfansince76 on May 4, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

bullets, bibles, and beans

The Day of Judgement is nigh…

by hotspur on May 4, 2010 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'll always remember Lenny Harris

for missing the LF foul pole in Yankee Stadium by inches against Clemens in Game 2 of the WS.

by Mount17 on May 4, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll always remember Lenny Harris for booting that ball against the Red Sox

by JoshNY on May 4, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

what about that deep drive that he volleyballed into a hr that one time?

wasn’t that Lenny? he literally caught it in his glove and tossed it over the wall all in one motion.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on May 4, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 3 game losing streak is disappointing

but I’ll be honest – I said it during the win streak and I’ll say it again: the Mets have already exceeded my expectations for the season. I didn’t expect them to compete for first place, and after the 3-7 start didn’t even expect them to sniff second place. To have spent a few days in first (with the Phillies behind the Nationals, no less) was awesome.

From this point on, some combination of the following will make this an enjoyable Mets season for me:

- watching Ike Davis everyday
- hopefully watching a knuckleballer(!) pitch every 5th day, especially if it’s at the expense of watching Ollie every 5th day
- seeing Niese and Pelfrey continue to develop into solid pitchers
- watching David Wright hit 25+ homers again
- Jerry Manuel getting fired
- Jenrry Mejia demoted to the minors to work on starting, after a dominant stint as a reliever
- Jose Reyes starting to hit, and just be Jose Reyes again
- Jeff Francouer
- development of their prospects, and maybe some September auditions for a few of them

That’s it. I don’t need the Mets to compete this year. I need for them to give me some hope for next year and beyond. This team really shouldn’t need a full rebuild, they just need to re-stock. With the right mixture of patience and development, they can be a great team as early as next season. Please don’t continue to f this up, Omar.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on May 4, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

You had me at

Jerry Manuel getting fired.

Can we also dream about. . . .

Jeff Wilpon maturing enough to know that he shouldn’t meddle in baseball decisions?
Omar being demoted to scouting?
Hiring an experienced GM who understands the importance of player development (e.g., letting players steep in various stages of the minors)?
Paying above slot and extending a middle finger to Bud Selig?
Telling GMJ that the bus leaves half an hour after it actually does, and then never coming back to pick him up?
Losing Joey Cora?

by tmu on May 4, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

these two
Jeff Wilpon maturing enough to know that he shouldn’t meddle in baseball decisions?

never going to happen bro. We need Fred to buy something else shiny to distract him. Hey Fred maybe you should see about getting a basketball team in New Jersey since the nets are moving. Put Jeff in charge of that.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought

he had the Cyclones to play with. . . .

by tmu on May 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't play with cyclones

unless you’re the dad of the balloon boy…. oh hang on…

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he screwed around with the Cyclones, I think he'd have more angry people to deal with than the Mets in general, right now.

You don’t mess with the Cyclones.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a bizarre turn of events...

I think Omar should be commended for this season. The Mejia debacle and trading for GMJ aside, I think his offseason of restraint will pay nice dividends for this team.

As cjmulrain alluded to, Pelfrey and Niese are getting an opportunity to develop at the big league level and are showing promise. Re-signing Francoeur is looking like it was a good idea (I know, small sample but we never needed him to be a stud – just a solid role player.) Then we have the young kids, Ike (who is more than holding his own in the majors), F! being allowed to develop at his own pace in AAA, and other promising young players like Holt, Havens, Thole, etc. who would have been cobbled together in years past to land a player like Halladay (ok, fine… a fringe #2 level starter.) However, whether it was due to financial constraints or being reigned in my management, Omar did the smart thing and stood pat, choosing to see what this team would look like with a healthy lineup.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure

It’s pretty clear that the system has not been producing talent at a very strong clip even after he’s had years at the helm. Moreover, what moves he did make are those you’re “setting aside.” I agree that the inaction is commendable, but “not screwing up” is hardly praiseworthy.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you forgoteen who we are talking about here??

Not screwing up is HUGE for Omar. Just like winning 1 game a series is acceptable.

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's all in how you characterize it.

You call it “not screwing up,” but I’ll call it “showing restraint.”

I know it’s fun to mock Minaya but he is far from the worst GM we’ve had.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

it ain’t hard to win that beauty contest. And the Mejia thing is absolutely unforgivable

Bay signing was OK — jury out. Better than forking for Hollllliday. Tatis again? GMJ? And it’s just way too early to say whether or not one of the starting pitchers could have helped. Looks like we dodged a bullet on Jason Marquis. If Pelf comes down to earth, Maine and Perez implode, and Niese has some hiccups, a Joel Pineiro could start looking mighty good again.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way too early to judge certain moves.

I think they had to sign Bay (or Holliday) to replace Delgado’s bat. Like you, I am glad we ended up with Bay.

I am fine with Tatis again. He’s been a solid bench guy and should be fine in that role again so long as he is only used in that role and not as a platoon 1B. GMJ was obviously a panic move in the Nady for Roberto Hernandez and Ollie Perez vein. I agree that the GMJ trade and the way he has handled Mejia has been terrible.

Would I have liked it if Minaya signed Joel Pineiro? Sure. But this surely would have meant Niese starting the season in the minors and we wouldn’t see him developing before our eyes. My guess is Minaya wanted to see if our injured players could come back strong and if they did, then the team would be in the playoff picture and looking to add pieces at the deadline. If guys like Beltran, Reyes, Maine, and Ollie don’t bounce back, then I bet Minaya would be a seller at the deadline and looking to re-load for next season.

Ok, that was way too much on idle speculation. Moving on…

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you would rather have Tatis and GMJ

over Evans and Carter?? You also just mentioned Omars biggest problem of the past off-season. He hinged his hopes on players that had a 50/50 shot at not coming back the same as before the injuries and not having compitent back-ups. Or not giving the in house back ups a chance over F-Cat and DP Machine Tatis. I also wouldn’t expect Beltran back for atleast 6-8 weeks.

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

the cora signing was ok. I feel 2 mil was alot for him but I digress….The TIMING was horrible. He could have had Felipe Lopez for less, who plays more positions than cora, AND CAN PITCH!! How do you feel on that one?

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he was.

All I’m saying is he deserves some mocking for some of the rediculous things he says. I think he actually did a good job not screwing around and mortgaging the future of the farm for a quick fix or two even though it could have saved his job(possibly).

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mocking is fine.

Not saying we can’t poke fun at Omar. After all, he deserves it. I just think it’s unfair to characterize his failings as incompetent and his successes as lucky. Any GM is going to make bad moves. I think the main concern with the Mets is their process. The big question with Omar not mortgaging the future is whether this is a change in process or a mandate from on high not to spend money.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

one season of sanity

does not erase years of overpaying for old players, failing to understand market value, terrible drafting, bloating the payroll with bad contracts and giving away draft picks (by signing those overpriced free agents and losing picks).

by Blame-everyone-else on May 4, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Especially when the praise is: “Great job, Omar — you so shat the sack with your Ollie Perez signing that you weren’t given enough rope to hang yourself!!”

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

He even tried his hardest to hang himself with what he was given by getting GMJ , Jacobs , and Cats and resigning Cora while ignoring cheaper better options out there.

by Blame-everyone-else on May 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jacobs

Blocked out already. Awesome.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine Adam Dunn

without the walks or homers

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohhhhhhhhhh

You mean JaKobs….got ya. I forgot for a second with your weird spelling of his name lol. I was being sarcastic up there by the way.

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I k-now

Just had to get my digs in as part of the healing pro-cess.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

WWJD

I will go by this from now on. In life and other things…And WWJD is…..What Would JaKobs Do?

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The commentor Schmidtx pointed this out to me a few months ago

a major reason for that it’s that they’ve been pouring huge resources into develoiping academies in the Carribean. In the long run the boost in IFA from having academies set up there will probably off-set the poor minor league talent output we’ve had most of Omar’s tenure.

That being said I’ll never forgive him for the 07 and 2009 drafts. Especially after he teased us with the 08 draft.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll see

I’m not sure when those opened. Have any of our more prized Carribean prospects come through that system?

by tmu on May 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they're literally just being finished

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 4, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

and maybe that has something to with the absurd 3 year extension 2 years early

and why they’re so reluctant to fire him, if they all together decided on this long-term plan

by SuperT on May 4, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could probably handle things even better

as the head of international scouting…

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 4, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind Omar in that kind of capacity.

All things considered, he does have a fairly decent track record in identifying talent from unlikely sources.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Expendables

it just has to be. everything i’ve believed in for years will be ruined if that is not the greatest movie of all time, perhaps only trailing Mars Attacks in terms of star power

"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell

by Rey-O on May 4, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Best movie will be....

Gun wit Fitty….only cuz he be Fitty

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Carter

has done nothing but raked in Bisonland. Why is he not up?? Plus he can play some OF. And speaking of roster spots, who takes Escobars?

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

we'll probably add a prospect for no reason

and give ourselves even less roster flexibility.

Also I didn’t even realize Escobar was on the roster. Why didn’t we send him through waivers instead of Figgy?

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matthews and Catalanatto aren't performing badly because they're not playing

They’re performing badly because they suck. GMJ sucked when he was starting at the beginning of the year, he sucks now. The 25th man never gets regular playing time.

I would have hoped the Columbia School of Journalism taught Andy Martino to be more than a stenographer for those he covers.

by Bieser's Balk on May 4, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, yes, yes

and fuck yes. It sounds like Jerry wants to find more time to watch them suck. Of course he does. WHY? We have all seen enough! Fuck Sarge and fuck Smithtown. Call up Carter and Pridie or some guy named Evans when he returns and BE DONE WITH IT.

by David G on May 4, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who

in the world is this Evans character you speak of??

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Today

I consider that meme, the luckiest meme, on the face of the earth. Time to retire. Mea culpa, i couldn’t help it.

by wobatus on May 4, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is funny

but not, I would say, an appropriate use of force. Tasers are actually pretty dangerous and the U.N. has condemned them as a torture device!

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

It strikes me as a bit odd at how easily tasers have been accepted as a means of restraint. Those things are no joke.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

soon it will be acceptable to use rubber bullets whenever…

by djg2111 on May 4, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember a few years ago

I was walking down the street in a quiet neighborhood in Queens, and I got shot in the back in a drive by paintballing… I think that could make effective restraint. Combination of pain and paint could hurt.

by djg2111 on May 4, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

They may be no joke

but then neither is running on the field. Think about that Joseph Ligue, Jr. POS in Chicago a few years back. It seems excessive because it’s pretty clear to you and me that this guy was a harmless drunk brat, but you can’t take chances.

I agree with the UN that you shouldn’t have a guy tied up and then tase him, but a flashlight or bucket of water can be a “torture device” depending on how it’s used. The appropriate use of a taser is to incapacitate someone in a case where harm is otherwise imminent. Here we have a guy who was engaged in a criminal act of trespass, running around, waving a towel. Probably a bit much to tase the guy, but (1) A physical restraint would be dangerous to all involved, (2) the guy was obviously not responding to verbal directives, (3) it’s one heck of a deterrent.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

While I agree for the most part,

I fear escalation. People seem to be classifying force as deadly or non-deadly. That means that as long as it isn’t deadly, it’s appropriate for these types of situations, at least according to public perception. So where does it end? Remember, if the guy had a pacemaker, a taser can easily be deadly…

by djg2111 on May 4, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they have their use.

But I was a bit shocked to see a security guard at a ballpark use one on some dope running around with a towel. There were, what, six people chasing him? I think the situation was under control even without the taser.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I pretty much agree

but the security guys were going to have to physically restrain him, and that puts them at risk. Now, maybe that shouldn’t be a problem — they know what they signed up for — but it’s at least debatable.

AND, if you have a pacemaker, please don’t run on a baseball field in the middle of a Major League game in front of 40,000 people waving a towel and evading security.

AND, I stand by the deterrent comment. I think these brats will be less likely to copycat when they see that you can get your Yuengling-besotted arse tased.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know that deterrent will work in Philly.

We’ve had projectile vomiting on cops followed by tasered idiot on the field. I’m guessing next up will be attacking an opposing player, followed by attacking a Philly player. Eventually, someone tries to burn the stadium down. I see a long, crazy game of one-upsmanship taking place.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt they'll attack one of their own. They can't be THAT retarded.

Burning the stadium down? That would be amusing. It would probably lead to someone blowing up the city or one of the surrounding suburbs.

by R_Adragna on May 4, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, though

Philly is somewhat self-regulating. If kids start disrupting Philly games, they may end up in a dumpster in Camden.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a good thing Putin

isn’t in charge of security there.

by wobatus on May 4, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he didn't projectile vomit on the cop!

he projectile vomitted on his daughter. Cause you know there’s so few ways to piss a person off more than projectile vomiting on them, but Philly fans just had to find one.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

These are all political arguments

so probably not really the time or place to go into, in terms of the prevention vs punishment philosophy, but my main point is that someone who does this sort of thing in a closed stadium on TV is never going to get away with it. Ligue Jr went to prison, rightly so. I don’t think they need to zap people – six security guys have to be able to effectively surround and subdue a trespasser without hurting them badly, otherwise they just suck at their job.

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

A big net

Like for capturing gorillas for the zoo. THAT would have been awesome.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's right!

And humiliating for the guy too. The punishment fits the crime and everyone gets to have a good laugh.

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

And THEN

they tase him.

OH – sorry.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

SEE

It’s a little like the Red Sox there, only without the tradition. Believe it or not, the Philth does have some real, solid, knowledge fans. Problem is, that city is stuffed with college/post-college kids (COUGH! Boston COUGH! many/most from out of town; read: south and central Jersey) who have the maturity and self-control of a pheromone-jacked hamster. Somehow (that somehow being: “nothing else to do”) Phillies games became an “it” destination for kids from high school age to post-college to go, drink, and essentially simulate a dollar bin frat party. Hence, you get Projectile Vomit Guy, Towel-Wavy Tased Guy, and an endless stream of others whose conduct is just slightly less outrageous and who could care less about baseball. It’s stuffed with guys like the lunkhead behind me at the store in Philly this past weekend after the Halladay Hell, slurring to his buddy about how “dude, . . . dude they crushed ’em, dude. . . .ssssssssawesome, dude. . . .” and the drunk Jersey idiots in the parking garage, etc., etc.

SO, rather than banning them, give them a quiz — who is on the team, where do they play, and no peeking at your buddy’s vomit-stained Victorino jersey T-shirt.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

That,

or they could just go down the rows of seats, tasing away.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

just release some lions onto the field

and say over the loudspeaker “Are you not entertained!!”

by KeithsMoustache on May 4, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ooh, I got it!

They should fire their current security (bunch of old geezers anyway) and bring in a bunch of grizzly bears in their place. That’ll show those punks who to fuck with!

by R_Adragna on May 4, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about a hug vacuum to suck up all the jackass fans??

And there destination is a pod where they will wait for their turn to fertilize alien stuff. Like War of the Worlds

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huge...not....hug....or hug....not sure....

Sorry was practicing my Cerrone imitation for a party.

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most niche costume/persona for a fancy-dress party

Matt Cerrone.

By the way, did you ever get David Lengel in the states? He was/is an American colour commentator on the British baseball coverage (I haven’t watched the TV one in years since having mlb.tv, but we used to get the ESPN Sunday night game at 1am). He was a Mets fan, and pretty hilarious.

I just remembered he looks a little bit like Matt Cerrone.

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

I remember that guy from my time living over there. Not sure we ever saw him over in the States, tho.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just looked on Wikipedia

and apparently the coverage was dropped in 2009. It was great, they’d be falling asleep, Lengel was commuting from the States for a whole season to present the show and going straight to the airport afterwards!

World Series were the best because they’d have to be up all night for a week, wearing tuxedos, and Johnny Gould was also presenting an awful quiz show at 9am each day!
Good times.

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He went to prison

but not before roughing up the coach.

Monica Seles was stabbed in the back. I think Morganna gave Pete Rose the clap.

by wobatus on May 4, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

every fan who runs on the field

should get this treatment.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on May 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This one is my favorite

even if it is an Aussie cricketer doing the dirty work (sort of NSFW – it involves a male streaker)

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm, fuck that.

Dude is trespassing and poses a potential danger to the players on the field. If you don’t want to get tased, don’t run on the field like a jackass.

I know, what the heck was that dopey kid going to do? But the bottom line is no one really know what anyone is capable of doing.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I mean, at any second, the guy could have projectile vomited on Juan Castro.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

All snarky comments aside...

I am going to assume most of these comments are coming from people not in the law enforcement or security field.

A lot of these comments smack of “Why didn’t the police just shoot the guy on the leg?” as if it is that easy. Like someone mentioned above, the security guards are going to have to restrain this idiot and it is also their job to protect the players and other patrons.

Not to get all preachy, but I always find it astounding how sympathetic the public can be for those who blatantly break the law and then suffer as a result of breaking the law. Here a kid trespassed, disrupted the game, and, whether legitimate or not, posed a threat to the players on the field. The security guards were obviously trying to get him to knock it off and only resorted to the taser after his antics had gone on for a couple of minutes. Had this knucklehead A) Not broken the law and run onto the field or B) Given himself up once it was obvious there were about 6 security guards descending upon him then he wouldn’t have been tased.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This

From Fred to Jeff
and O to Jerr
Funny things
Are everywhere

- Dr. Seuss (if he were a Mets fan)

by StorkFan on May 4, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or

it’s someone running on some grass for fun. Big deal.

I suspect the real answer lies somewhere in the middle.

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way.

This is either proof that fascism is sweeping ballparks everywhere or is proof that drunk people deserve to be tasered.

Middle ground is unamerican.

by DogDaysofSummer on May 4, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ridiculous.

It’s not fascist to enforce the law. You don’t have a right to run onto a field at a baseball game. Again, it is incredible how members of this community are so quick to shout down someone dumb enough for relying on RBI as a valid measuring stick for player evaluation, yet they will defend some drunkard who is dumb enough to blatantly break the law by trespassing and then avoid being apprehended by the authorities.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone defended the kid?

I think the assertion that was made initially was that it’s pretty nuts to use a taser to restrain a kid running around on the field, not that it’s okay for the kid to be running around on the field.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not drunk people

Just drunk Phillies fans. Philles fans aren’t people.

by JoshNY on May 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell me

How would you know one from the other. It’s easy to sit back and armchair QB stuff like this, but the fact is no one knows what lies in the head of a person that runs onto the field at a baseball game and what their intentions are. You say “big deal.” It’s “no big deal” until a fan attacks a player or an umpire. It’s unfortunate that we have to think that way, but you’re deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The joy of democracy

is that we don’t have to be absolutist about these sort of things, and that people can choose, should they wish, to allow people freedoms to be idiots even if that involves risks.

As I said before, this is a non-politics forum so definitely not the place for any in-depth discussion on the balance between security and liberty, but your position is not the only one and not a given as you seem to be implying. It’s up to societies how tight they want to be on this sort of thing, there’s no single one answer.

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also

I wasn’t very clear before. I was saying “big deal” as the devil’s advocate opposite position. As I pointed out, I think the real answer is probably somewhere in the middle, i.e. not tasering someone but giving them a punishment so they won’t do it again.

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he was being tasered as "punishment" though.

From the video it looked like the taser was being used to apprehend him.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again unclear on my part

I wasn’t saying that he was, I just didn’t write clearly. His punishment will likely be a fine and a permanent criminal record, which is more than enough, I’d say. Likely won’t be allowed back in the ballpark of the team he supports.

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

But the taser is a deterrent, too, which is a primary purpose of punishment. Bigger deterrent would be jail time, however — even if only for a day or two. Guys like that do not fare well in jail, and the word would get out.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

My "position"

Is to present the perspective of someone charged with securing the stadium. To someone in the position of security, there is no way of knowing what the intention is of someone who is running onto the field.

This has nothing to do with politics. I am just speaking practically.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you do understand the counterargument, right?

There’s a continuum. We can’t have Predator drones orbiting the stadium ready to pick off people running onto the field (unless it’s Victorino.) The taser is effective in that situation, but the security personnel also have to use their judgment and determine (on the fly) whether it is absolutely necessary. There may be other ways of dealing with the situation. If your logic is extended too far, you could make a case for shooting the guy with a sleeper dart because you don’t need to be proximal to him, as you do with a taser.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

One end of the spectrum is minority report style pre-crime apprehension, the other end is anarchy. We live somewhere in between, and it’s a grey scale.

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

we don’t know what went on on the field, of course, BUT, presumably, he was told to stop, wasn’t listening (this is kind of obvious, and you shouldn’t need to be told,) and seemed as if he might pose a threat if physically restrained by the officers. In that case, tase away.

ALSO, I would love to see that Hank Aaron #715 HR video doctored so that those two disco chumps get tased and let Hank complete his victory lap in peace.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Uh, yes.

I understand what the “parade of horrors” might be. However, I try to stay grounded in reality, and with the likelihood of predator drones and minority report style pre-crime apprehension being far-fetched (or anarchy for the matter,) I don’t see the point in entertaining such scenarios.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

One more thing.

That came across incredibly snarky. It’s just that I had to deal with BS like this in law school for 3 years and the “well, if you extend your logic blah blah blah…” Well, I’m not extending my logic that far. I find the immigration law that was recently passed in Arizona to be abhorrent so I am obviously not in favor of crossing any lines whatsoever in the name of safety or the law. I’m not saying we should have snipers at the ready to pick off drunk college kids, just don’t bitch if you run on the field and get tasered after breaking the law and avoiding apprehension. It really didn’t need a philosophical discussion. I understand I am just as guilty for the tangent as anyone, but whatever, shit happens.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

All I’m saying is that it’s probably an agree-to-disagree situation rather than a someone-is-definitely-right scenario.

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree.

I was addressing the facts as they were in this specific incident. Not trying to state my position as a catch-all for all scenarios.

I might add, they probably didn’t need to use a taser in this situation, but I am not in the habit of second guessing people who put their own personal safety on the line (law enforcement/security) unless their actions seem egregious.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you do

see the point in not tasing first, asking questions later, too, right? You do understand that tasers, like running onto the field, are risky? You do understand that, just as you don’t know what that idiot on the field is going to do, you also don’t know what the taser is going to do, right?

by tmu on May 4, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Human beings can't see the future.

So, not to be a dick, but I find this rhetorical question pointless.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was kind of my point

Risks both ways. Nothing wrong with saying the taser wasn’t a measured response. Deferring to the cops as a rule of thumb may be refreshing given the shite you have to hear in law school, but it doesn’t really hold water in the real world, any more than the law school dweebs’ litany of ridicu-rules for engaing suspects.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record

irresistable snark aside, I come out pro-taser here, largely because as between this guy being subdued in a risky manner and two security guards breaking their legs (or his) I think they handled it correctly. And who knows what a wingnut is going to look like when he heads on the field? Unless he’s actually in the lineup and wearing a Victorino jersey, you can’t tell who is harmless and who is a threat.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you for that

been trying to find proper video of it.

by KeithsMoustache on May 4, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is amazing.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on May 4, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

FREE DICKEY

It’s more fun to say than FREE CARTER, if you think about it.

As for movies, it’s got to be Machete. Danny Trejo directed by Robert Rodriguez in a role he was born to play! Seagal as a drug lord! Cheech as a priest! Identical twins playing “Nurse Mona” and “Sexy Nurse #2”!

by JoshNY on May 4, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, I think Machete too.

Trejo is already a badass in his own right. This movie would move him up to legend status.

Now we’re on the “Grindhouse” path, I’m still waiting for “Thanksgiving” and “Don’t” to be released.

by R_Adragna on May 4, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I read that all but one or two of the fake trailers were being made into features.

“Don’t” was not on the list. So far.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Also “Hobo With a Shotgun.”

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Starring Rutger Hauer as the Hobo.

Started filming last month.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holy crap

Please tell me Michael Biehn is in one or more of these films.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my

A whole sub genre – trailersploitation?

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way

gotta have the rock or stone cold as the hobo lol

by SFloridaMetsFan on May 4, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see these headlines

“Mets Decide its Time to Unleash Dickey” or “Dickey Gets His Big Chance” or “Can Dickey Rise to the Occasion?” or “Dickey Gets Touched Up” or “Dickey Hurt, Unable to Perform” …. I could go on, but won’t.

by David G on May 4, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dickey pulled prematurely?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on May 4, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yer picture

Is that. . . . SHINJO?!?!?

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

TSUYOSHIR is!

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on May 4, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. This gives me hope that the Dickey-Wang game can still happen

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if Dickey is good

he can take 2 spots in the rotation. In theory it could happen with a knuckleballer, right?

by Pack Bringley on May 4, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Wilbur Wood would do 45 starts or so a season

in the 70s, so it could be.

From Fred to Jeff
and O to Jerr
Funny things
Are everywhere

- Dr. Seuss (if he were a Mets fan)

by StorkFan on May 4, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

If nothing else,

the tasering incident gave us this great caption over at The Good Phight:

A member of General Manager Ruben Amaro, Jr.‘s personal security detail chases Phillies pitcher Nelson Figueroa off the field with a Taser after the right-hander surrendered a bases clearing double to David Freese in the top of the seventh inning in tonight’s game against the St. Louis Cardinals.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I just noticed

You’re a Fulham fan. You must be excited about the cup final. I’ve been so annoyed with United this year that I’ve been following Fulham pretty closely in Europe. Hodgson should win Manager of the Year.

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

Unless/until Dempsey leaves, at which point, [NO CURSING] ’em.

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hodgson definitely has to win Manager of the Year.

Taking Fulham to 7th last year and then following up this season by shepherding that club through to a potential top 10 finish, the FA Cup quarters and the Europa League final is pretty phenomenal. I think it was even Fergie who pointed out that it’s almost inconceivable to think that he got his squad, with no real second team to speak of, through 60 games this season with such success.

Needless to say, I’ll be out of work plenty early to watch the final on the 12th.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

And so many people were saying that being in Europe would ruin them. Great achievement.

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

COYWs

Another Fulham fan here, also pretty freaking psyched for the final like Catsmeat said. If anyone is in the NYC area, there are going to be a bunch of us watching at Nevada Smith’s on 3rd Avenue.

And never mind Manager of the Year, Roy should be sainted for the miracles he’s performed. To get where he’s gotten with Murphy not as young as he used to be, and without Andy Johnson all year long, and with Paintsil and Konchesky and Dempsey and Davies all missing serious chunks of time, and Zamora limping, really is nothing short of incredible.

by JoshNY on May 4, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevada Smiths

is insane when its full. I saw Man Utd vs Liverpool there last year. There must have been 400 people all wearing team shirts and chanting more than they do at the actual games. And randomly there were about ten West Ham fans singing “I’m forever blowing bubbles”

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that what it was called in the U.S.?

It was just called Green Street in Britain. Worrying insight into marketing minds…

by deadspy3 on May 4, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

dear james kannenmieser

please bring back Joe as soon as possible. I waited all week to publish naked picture of pete rose on my blog, dreaming of the day i could earn inclusion on AA’s applesuds, and all you wanna talk about is tasing. please cancel my subscription.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on May 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

dear james cannonglaser

thank you for not linking to itsmetsforme’s blog post containing naked pictures of pete rose. nobody wants to see that. please renew my subscription.

by JoshNY on May 4, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

you dont want to see charlie's hustle?

i once again have misjudged my audience.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on May 4, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

bwahahaha

in that picture, her package looks bigger than his!!

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on May 5, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

AND UM

this should be a reply to the Shinijo stub above, but I do like it where it is. BODY WILD

by tmu on May 4, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

When Ike Davis hit that foul ball, you notice he didn't run on Leake's mound.

It’s HIS mound, and Ike knew it.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Expendables no doubt

Full Disclosure…I’m meeting with the company (tomorrow) that makes that film, to make mine, so I’m a bit biased.

by Mike Clemente on May 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Problem finding playing time for bench players

Maybe he should ask for a better bench not put them in games when they cannt hit or field

by Sir Tmac on May 4, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm home from school sick today, and I was watching the news.

They had a segment on FOXNews’ “America Live” show where a prosecutor and a defense attorney were talking about that guy. The prosecutor started off by saying that since the guy was a Phillies fan, that gave the police all the justification they needed to taser him. I approved.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here we go.

Here’s the actual clip. His name is Lee Armstrong.

Kelly: “Was this cop out of line?”

Armstrong: “No, no, not at all. It’s perfect- Perfect use of a taser. First of all, it’s a Phillies fan, so by, uh, by default, you can taser them.”

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will someone,

ANYONE (with more time, energy, creativity, and Photoshop savvy than I have) PLEASE alter the photo at this link to replace the cop with Mr. Met???

by tmu on May 4, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

This work?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Or this?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Give him angry eyebrows?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this to your liking?

I equipped Mr. Met the sawed-off Pepsi T-Shirt Cannon. I figured that’d be his weapon of choice.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I like it better with smiling Mr. Met.

Makes him look more sadistic.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on May 4, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what I was going for.

Not the huge Mr. Met smile we all know and love, but something more…sinister. Something darker, like a cocky grin.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, when I was messing around with the pictures, I noticed that,

I don’t know if he peed himself, or maybe it’s the shadows looking awkward, or maybe some of the beer he consumed didn’t make it fully in his mouth or what, but…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's just

the shadow from his towel, which is a shame.

by deadspy3 on May 5, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

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