Mets 7, Indians 6: Cleveland's Infield Defense Makes LeBron A Sad Panda
by James Kannengieser on Jun 15, 2010 10:02 PM EDT
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I wonder what Bruce Drennan thinks of this game. Oh, Jason Donald!
The Mets "pounded" 12 hits, but just one, a go-ahead two-run homer by Ike Davis in the 5th inning, went for extra bases. Seven of the 11 singles were of the infield variety. Indians' fielders, led by shortstop Donald (two errors), obviously haven't been watching Tom Emanski's Defensive Drills Video. And Luis Valbuena -- please don't give him back to the Mets.
David Wright went 3-5 with three RBI. He leads the National League with 50 RBI, if that's your sort of statistic. His slash line is now .293/.384/.528, nearly identical to his career line of .307/.388/.519. Jose Reyes provided the highlight of the game, scoring from 2nd base on a Wright groundout in the 5th. Shades of Mookie Wilson.
Johan Santana notched the win, giving up four runs on seven hits in seven innings of work. However, he had only one strikeout and generated just six swinging strikes. The strikeout issue is no longer the elephant in the room that no one is talking about -- it is the cheetah walking down 42nd St. on the front page of the New York Post. Frankie Rodriguez gave up a two-run bomb to Shelley Duncan with two outs in the 9th inning to cut the deficit to one, but then retired Trevor Crowe on a flyball to left to earn the save.
Kevin Burkhardt spent nearly an entire inning interviewing Bob Feller, the Hall of Fame pitcher. His opinions about today's game are always entertaining. Feller claimed that he once threw a fastball 107 mph and said of his velocity: "on a good day, between 102 and 105 [mph]". Maybe that's true, who knows. Seems pretty unlikely though. It was definitely one of KB's better interviews. Feller looks and sounds great for 91 years old. "Rapid Robert" enlisted in the U.S. Navy on December 8, 1941 and missed four seasons of baseball to serve during World War II.
The Phillies, Marlins, Braves and Nationals all lost tonight. The Mets are just a half game out of first place in the NL East behind the Braves (no games out in the loss column). The next three opponents after the Indians are the Yankees, Tigers and Twins. Given that those teams are quite good compared to the disastrous Tribe, an Indians sweep would be nice. Jon Niese vs. Mitch Talbot is the matchup Wednesday night. Talbot has a shiny 3.59 ERA that isn't supported by his peripherals. It's the perfect time to raise his .263 BABIP.
Poem by Howard Megdal
Mets continue their rampage of terror
Over awful teams who commit many an error
Wright takes NL RBI lead, in MVP mix
Guess Mets don't need to find him a fix
Santana staggers, survives, a cause for alarm?
Questions abound on his soundness of arm
Ike Davis boomed home run that looked like a punt
So why in the hell did Jerry ask him to bunt?!?
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Let's Go Tribe! Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: Ike Davis +24.8%, David Wright +18.7%
Big losers: Chris Carter -9.3%, Angel Pagan -7.2%
Teh aw3s0mest play: Ike Davis homer +23.1%
Teh sux0rest play: Trevor Crowe single -16.7%
Total pitcher WPA: +6.2%
Total batter WPA: +43.8%
GWRBI!: Jason Bay
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by fightoffyourdemons; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
| Num | Name | # of Posts |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | fightoffyourdemons | 160 |
| 2 | Gina | 91 |
| 3 | CTRefJay | 81 |
| 4 | Michkin | 75 |
| 5 | Gorfax | 65 |
| 6 | MetsKnicksRutgers | 63 |
| 7 | Syler | 56 |
| 8 | blueandorange4life | 45 |
| 9 | Jsz | 43 |
| 10 | itsmetsforme | 42 |
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This win would feel so much better if it wasn't by only one run
Take what you can get though
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
You have to be kidding.
I've seen the Broncos miss the playoffs three times in the final game the last four seasons. I've seen Brodeur give up 2 goals in the last 1:40 of a Game 7. I've seen the Mets break my heart twice in September. 2010 Mets...please bring me some happiness again!!
I'm tough to please
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
You're tough, PERIOD.
We all knew that with BB-Rod we ALWAYS need about 2-3 runs for him in order to have a shot of winning.
Today we needed all of the 7 runs, as it turned out.
K-Rod has the lowest walk rate of his career this year
And is having a fantastic season. Give him a break.
by Pat Andriola on Jun 15, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But, but he gave up a HR tonight
HE SUCKS!
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Remember when Benites would walk everyone and you screamed JUST THROW A STRIKE!
K-Rod did. :-) it happens. He has a three run lead. Throw strikes and sometimes they hit em out. It’s actually pretty good pitching. All he has to do is win the game. Would you rather Benitez was back?
I've seen the Broncos miss the playoffs three times in the final game the last four seasons. I've seen Brodeur give up 2 goals in the last 1:40 of a Game 7. I've seen the Mets break my heart twice in September. 2010 Mets...please bring me some happiness again!!
I was being sarcastic
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Duncan's HR
was one of those rally-killing ones.
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
yes but a lot of people who claim to agree with you are not
tyhe contract sucks but Frankie is not really a major problem for this team right now. there are plenty of teams that would love to have him as a closer. And all you guys jonesing for Wagner are a bit much. Don’t make me go back to old game threads and point out how you all trashed him when he blew big games in 07 and 08
by Endys Game on Jun 16, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ike Davis Dog is pleased
The Crime Dog is not
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
by Kevin H on Jun 15, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Krod just learned heilman is the new Dback Closer
Follows by doing his closest erin impression
by newyorksportsfan on Jun 15, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
K/9 for Santana
2006 – 9.4
2007 – 9.7
2008 – 7.9
2009 – 7.9
2010 – 5.8
His K/9 will go up
Maybe not to last year’s levels, but he’s not this bad
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
I agree with you
I was just posting those numbers for information. I think it will go up. I am concerned about Santana, but I do think he will revert closer to his norms.
by sjohnson125 on Jun 15, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember he is at his best in the 2nd half
Plus how many staers have been on the 5th day
by Sir Tmac on Jun 15, 2010 10:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am a bit worried for some on this site
This is the type of win that media types are going to cram down your throat as “tough”. I believe it is called Grission on here. Let’s recap…..[clearly chumming the water with the ellipses]
1] Pitcher winning without his best stuff, that’s what makes a #1 a #1, no need for strike outs
2] Out hustling the other team, infield hits [although since Reyes is the one that hustled from second it will not count]
3] “Ace” reliever pitching to the score, might as well let up two run homers up three runs
4] Only clutch and big home runs from first baseman. Never hits meaningless homers. Only clutch, big homerruns. Just like the Captain!
5] Love the game calling by the catchers
6] Speaking of love, how about our clubhouse.
Would stay away from wfan and the rags tomorrow, for your own sake and those of your fellow employees.
No one's going to talk about this game
Everyone’s going to talk about the Phils/Yanks and Rays/Braves. We aren’t even on the radar of most people right now.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
easy solution
don’t pay attention to sports media. i watch espn for actual games and then turn it off immediately.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
MLB Network's not too bad
Honestly though, I mostly come here for my information.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 15, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
some of that is actually true, though
I mean, #1 was definitely the case — Johan got through this game on guile, seemingly without the ability to spot his pitches on the inside half at all — and #5 is probably worth mentioning, too. Apart from the weak-ass throwing arm I was very impressed with the other Santana’s play behind the plate.
Well I agree with 5 but not 1 -
he still gave up four runs. Are you suggesting he would not have done so if the Mets had scored fewer? Because he was 4-1 down at one point, that is most definitely not “pitching to the score.”
I think he just had a rough outing.
It's true.
It’s tough to feel good about Santana working without his best stuff, since he hasn’t had his best stuff since 2007.
by EricAColucci on Jun 16, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
of course "pitching to the score" is bullshit
That’s not what #1 says. Johan had a rough outing by his usual standards, but we absolutely should still give him credit for getting into the 7th inning without anything like his usual stuff. With the lack of location he was getting with the fastball in the first three innings, it had the potential to become a blowout in a hurry, and I think we should be really impressed with his performance tonight, given the crappiness of the stuff he seemed to have available.
I don't know
The last time he had his “usual” stuff. I am pretty sure that this might be his usual stuff now.
So After all this heilmann talk I figured I'd look at his fangraphs pahe
In 05 he had a sub 3 FIP and mid 3s in 06 and 07. It’s inexplicable why we never put him in the rotation especially after 05 when he had about a 3 to 1 k to bb with around 9 ks per 9
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jun 15, 2010 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
Apparently,
management thinks a middle reliever is as valuable as a starting pitcher.
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
he was the precursor to Jenrry Meija
also apparently Peterson thought he was a major injury risk. I don’t think not putting him in the rotation was a horrible decision. not trading him to a team that valued him as a starter was a horrible decision.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
wasnt it that he only had 2 pitches and he needed 3 to start
by Sir Tmac on Jun 15, 2010 10:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He had a fastball, a slider, and a change-up.
At least that’s how I remember it. I think it was mostly his shoulder.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 15, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't he throw a curveball to?
i thought he did and peterson had him scrap him.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
no he had three
im pretty sure thats what made him such an effective reliever to begin with.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
we did put him in the rotation, a couple times if I remember correctly
it didn’t go well
He was the last person before niese to throw a
One hitter
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jun 15, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
which he followed up with 7 innings of 2-hit ball two starts later
nobody remembers that. Granted, he got lit up in between, but that’s two really good starts out of three. I think he had 2 or 3 more decent starts before getting moved to the ‘pen. I’m also pretty sure that when they first moved him, it was only supposed to be temporary, but he pitched very effectively out of the pen for the rest of that year (he had a k per inning over 108 innings on the year), and the team never moved him back.
2009 Did Not Happen
The Next season if I remember he had regression in the pen.
Probably due to luck the year before
it didnt go well when Peterson tried to make him change his 3/4th delivery
when he was using the delivery he was money, but Peterson didn’t think his shoulder would hold up.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I don't agree with the rationale
but the focus was on the fact that Heilman was a two pitch pitcher with a nice moving fastball and, at the time, deadly change up (esp. against LHB.) His slider was pretty meh. The line of thought was a RHP can’t live with only two pitches. LHP like Glavine, Ollie and Randy Johnson were different. In either case, Heilman was told he would be given a legit shot in 06 during ST and he crushed it, however, his competition was Brian Bannister who had something like a 1.00 ERA vs Heilman’s 1.10 ERA and the Mets were able to say that Heilman lost the battle. I love Banny but it was a joke just like this ST 1st basemen battle.
K-Rod never seems to make me feel comfortable
"stupidity + alcohol = getting your ass beat" AKA the Philadelphia town motto - hotspur
Neither does going to the doctor and getting a shot.
They both are comparable.
I'm not normall superstitious...
…but every time I express optimism about this season, the Mets proceed to lose 8 of 10 (or something like that). So I’m going to continue with the doom and gloom on a level that would make Nouriel Roubini wince.
"It’s just everytime we think the bar can’t get lower, they lower it. Now next year we’ll just be happy to hear that rogue shirtless officials aren’t implementing useless detrimental drills in spring training for no apparent reason."
-Gina, 3/1/10
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 15, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
on that note
We can’t POSSIBLY win with someone like Frankie Rodriguez “closing” for us.
"It’s just everytime we think the bar can’t get lower, they lower it. Now next year we’ll just be happy to hear that rogue shirtless officials aren’t implementing useless detrimental drills in spring training for no apparent reason."
-Gina, 3/1/10
by Greenpoint Ian on Jun 15, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we need a new name for what Frankie does.
Like “easing” or “grinding to a halt.” Those aren’t good, though.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 15, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
im dreading our next road trip that isn't against horrid teams
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
We have an 11 game west coast swing right after the AS break
That could make or break our season
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
and by make
you mean win a close one and have a manager fired an 2 a.m.
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
My superstition is I need to knock Cora
Every game I do he gets a hit
by Sir Tmac on Jun 15, 2010 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I've knocked him
for 57 consecutive games. Yet DiMaggio’s record still stands.
by Pack Bringley on Jun 15, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
for the Dr. Doom reference.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 15, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHHAH!! Anyone see the brand new Metro PCS Commercial just now?
THAT was much better than the recent ones they put up.
I liked the banter as Mr. Molasses (Perez) pitched
“Can you imagine the sighs we’d be hearing from Keith right now?”
Luis Valbuena was never a Met
he came from Seattle in that deal. Just thought I’d point that out.
Bruce Drennan
Watch this. 20 second mark. It’s kind of an obscure reference.
by James Kannengieser on Jun 15, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Missed the end of the game
Was watching game six. But that’s turned into a joke and there’s work tomorrow.
by Blame-everyone-else on Jun 15, 2010 11:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like Ike.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 15, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions
I cannot stress how awesome Reyes was in scoring the tying run from 2nd base
on a ground out!
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Braves lose 10-4
Mets a half game out
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
It is official...I should never watch a Mets game.
I get back from 4 days in a field in Tennessee surrounded by dirty hippies with no sports information and I see the Mets are tearing things up. I know it’s a familiar refrain that people feel that their involvement affects sports results, but this season the Mets have won 1 game out of 10 that I’ve watched.
There's this "World Cup" thing
that you can DVR. Have at it!!!
Also, if you’re never able to smell patchouli again, Bonnaroo will have been worth it.
I don't c are about the K ratio
if it means he can go deeper in games by effectively pitching to contact and go deeper in games than the 7th, which he seems to be doing thjis year.
I would agree if his k rate was down to 7-6
but 5-4 is dangerous territory, to the point
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
but that's actually not a bad point.
K rate vs. IP really is an interesting area of study that needs to be examined over several decades of work, pitchfx, etc.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
I saw the game highlights finally...
Who told Ike to bunt, at that AB? Was that a sign from Jerry, or was he just trying to take advantage of the overshift put on against him?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 16, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions
It's the overshift.
Although I’m still confused as to why they are overshifting on him. Does his spray chart really call for that?
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
His BABIP is around .350 when he hits to center or right and .170 when he hits to left.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
Isn't that SSS, though?
Or does that include his minor league tendencies too?
I mean, we aren’t talking about a guy that has 1000, or even 300, PAs at this point in the majors. Could it possibly be because he is struggling and when young lefties struggle, they tend to pull the ball more often?
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
Research
Ike Davis in 2010
34 batted balls to LF (25.2%)
49 batted balls to CF (36.3%)
52 batted balls to RF (38.5%)
for Comparison, Chase Utley (for the overshift comparsion more than anything else)
36 batted balls to LF (19.1%)
57 batted balls to CF (30.3%)
95 batted balls to RF (50.6%)
That’s a bigger disparity that Davis’ batted balls and the Davis overshift is similar to Utley’s. Yet, Ike has spread out the ball more than Utley so far in 2010. It just seems weird to me for Ike to get that type of overshift.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
I think if the overshift becomes a pattern for Ike
he should absolutely bunt into it from time to time, just to spread the field back out a bit. However this overshift was likely a function of the Cleveland defense having no idea what they were doing more than some real strategic maneuver.
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 16, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Baltimore did it too
Although I’m sure that’s also a function of the Baltimore defense having no idea too.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
yeah if competent teams start doing it
let him bunt from time to time. A base hit is a base hit, and it’s about as close to a pretty sure thing as you can get in baseball if they shade him enough.
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 16, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Side note
“Let’s Go Tribe!” may be the least original SB Nation blog name
Goodbye Sir Dr. Sen. Brain SOCKS! D.D.S.R.S.V.P
great hot streak .
like i said before once we get beltran back and pull off another starting pitcher and bull pen pitcher we can sure make the wild card and the way the east is we have a shot at the division also. remember what jimmy rollins said it takes more then a santana to be a champion . well mr douche bag it takes more of a doc halladay to win this division 3rd place must be nice huh jimmy .
lohaus #54
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