Jenrry Mejia Is Still In The Majors, Day 74
by James Kannengieser on Jun 17, 2010 12:00 AM EDT
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This is Jenrry Mejia, on the bench Wednesday night after his zero innings pitched, two walk outing. His K:BB ratio is now 16:15, in 26.2 innings. The Mets have won six in a row, but it's tough to fully enjoy while this Mejia nonsense is ongoing. The drum has been beaten here on an almost daily basis since March, so a rehash of why this is such a terrible idea is unnecessary. I challenge anyone to provide even one sensible reason why he is still in the majors.
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Burkhardt hasn't addressed that stupid ass comment once since he said it
Only a fucking moron could possibly rationalize him being up here at this point
Sadly, Jerry, Omar and the Wilpons fill that quotient nicely
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
But they're 9 games over .500
Seriously, that’s this twit’s retort. Because the awesome presence of Mejia sitting the in the bullpen must intimidate the opponents into defeat.
If I had any photoshop skills I was going to do a fanshot of Mejia encased in carbonite, trapped in Jabba’s Jerry’s palace, but the situation is to infuriating to even joke about anymore.
i would have added, if there was room:
…and now he may not help us in 2011
by Mike Clemente on Jun 17, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone on Twitter said
that he’s slowly being developed into a lights-out set-up man.
It’s comments like that one that are going to land me in therapy.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 17, 2010 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Do you actually want a coherent reason?
He is going to be this administrations sacrificial Kazmir. He will get cast as a middle reliever and then traded for a mediocre to bad starter with electric stuff, no control, and arm problems (maybe Kazmir, ironically, or maybe Ollie Perez after the Pirates claim him off waivers). A year later, after the move obviously fails, the administration will clear out, we will make some quality trades and signs (not great ones – just at market), and we will make a world series appearance in… 2 years.
Dancing away my hunger pains
Shufflin’ my feet so my stomach won’t hurt
I’m kinda like Jesus, but not in a sacreligious way
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 17, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
you gonna eat that stapler?
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Here's the thing
1] Young potential top of the rotation pitchers should be allowed to fail at that before they are sent to the bullpen.
2] Even if management does not think said young stud will be a top of the rotation guy, management should trade him while everyone else thinks he is a potential top of the rotation starter OR they should leave him in the minors to start so he can develop the control and two pitches that are necessary to be a good/great reliever.
The Mets did neither of these things. They just put him in the majors and prayed he would become Rivera or K Rod circa 2002. This is actually why it is hard to give Omar credit for some of this years successes because the evidence suggests it is pure luck. How could any GM with a clue allow a young 20 year old potential ace, with NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST HE COULD HANDLE THE MAJORS IN ANY CAPACITY, a place on the roster? The answer is he could not. Plain and simple. That is the most frustrating part to me. Even if they do not want him to be a starter, at least let him learn to be a reliever. Mejia in the majors is like a giant rock in my shoe during an otherwise surprisingly pleasant walk of a 2010 Mets season
by Bruce Wayne on Jun 17, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Omar's hands are tied
He was declawed a long time ago. This is on Jeff Wilpon. Like you said, I really do think JW thought Mejia was going to be the next Krod, and that way he could possibly have the opportunity to dump the current model before he got too expensive to dump.
Alternate possibility: Someone has gotten into JW’s ear and convinced him that Mejia will never develop enough stamina to be a starter (cf. Peter O’Malley/Pedro Martinez).
Or maybe it’s part of JW’s plan to gaslight Omar so he’ll quit.
Has no one brought it to their attention that keeping him in the majors is a horrible idea?
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
the front office has brought it to Jerry
Jerry disagrees
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I don't believe that's the case, Gina.
I mean…It’s so obvious, even Clueless Jerry has noticed. I think this crap falls on Omar and Wilpon.
It falls on Wilpon and Jerry, not Omar.
Jeff Wilpon has seemingly given Jerry’s voice more weight than Omar’s, hence Jerry’s “[Mejia] will be here as long as I am” statement and their “daily battles” over Mejia’s status. It’s all but common knowledge that in ST it was Omar/Warthen in the “let him develop in Bing/Buffalo” camp v. Jeff/Jerry in the “bullpen or bust” camp.
What evidence have you to support your idea that even Jerry has noticed?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
well Jerry has also said he's reluctant to let him pitch to even right handers
because of his struggles. So jerry has noticed but is continuing to be a dick.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
what?
Jerry has specifically said himself in multiple interviews that he’s the one keeping Meija up in spite of the front offices protests.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
but who's giving him that power?
if the org is dumb enough to give a lame-duck manager that kind of authority, they deserve whatever they get
by Bieser's Balk on Jun 17, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Wilpon it seems
remember how he mysteriously was called down to Atlanta for a team meeting when reports first came out that the front office was sending him down, and then afterwards the reports were squashed and Jerry got his way? Omar’s dumb but not this dumb, even he knows that calling up a future ace in September after 130 or so innings in AA/AAA would go much further in saving his job than having him pitch all year in the bullpen.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
i dont think he is lame-duck anymore
we are playing really well.
The front office prob isnt looking into replacements right now. Nor should they, to be fair…
i wish he would stop bunting so much.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
its been talked about several times in the press
omar and his circle have approached jerry about sending mejia down…jerry has essentially disallowed it…saying basically that as long as he is the manager mejia is on the roster. Omar agrees because Jerry basically tells him, hey if we send this kid down and start losing, we’re both fired. And omar is dumb enough to see a correlation between mejia being sent down and the team losing…and thus, we have mejia in the majors still
by Mike Clemente on Jun 17, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The reporters have to start asking Jerry why Mejia is still in the majors, again and again
day after day, unceasingly, until this madness ends. I want Mejia starting in the minors now, not three years from now, when they finally fire Jerry.
I'm not sure Jerry really gives a flying crap what reporters think.
He’s already gotten plenty of criticism for this. All it’s done is made him dig his heels in harder. I almost think the way to get Jerry to go along with sending Jenrry down is to pretend you want him to stay.
Anyway, I don’t really think it’s his decision to make. It’s not like he’s Joe Torre or Bobby Cox, who because they have plenty of team-colored bling, get to put their feet down and get exactly what they want. Jerry doesn’t have that kind of leverage. There have to be other people in the organization (coughJeffWilponcough) who concur.
The decision isn't Jerry's alone, for sure.
But from all accounts he’s been the biggest advocate for Mejia staying in the majors. And Jerry is just the most available person in this situation. The reporters talk to him every day, so he presents an opportunity every day to hammer home that this is a stupid idea.
by EricAColucci on Jun 17, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well winter ball it is for him to work on his secondary stuff
maybe a minor injury to his leg or non-throwing arm as well. line drive to his back and he heads for the DL then buffalo? Just reaching for ideas to stop stunting his growth.
Hire those guys from Venezuela.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 17, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
shit lets spring ugie urbina out of prison and get him to do the deed
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Does Jenrry Mejia think he has the talent to be a mop up reliever at the major league level?
I’ll ask him tomorrow on the pre-game report.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
by squid92 on Jun 17, 2010 12:48 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I wish our team wasn't retarded.
And, I apologize in advance for insulting retarded people.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 17, 2010 12:50 AM EDT reply actions
If they were smart enough to understand your remark I'm sure they'd be insulted.
Oh. Now I owe them an apology too.
We can't send him down,
Who’s gonna be our mop-up man?
I wish that was true, but stubbornness implies they know what the right thing to do is.
Bringing Mejia up in the first place and putting him in the bullpen tells us they had no idea whatsoever how to bring him along.
At this point we’ll need Oswalt AND Haren just to make up for the idiocy of the management gang.
Seriously, if you were Jeff Wilpon, wouldn’t it have occurred to you at some point over the last decade to have begun even the rudimentary study of how winning baseball teams are built? If I was going to inherit stocks worth half a billion I’d start to learn the basics of calls, puts, options, dividends, and so on. If I was going to inherit real estate worth half a billion I’d start to learn the basics of mortgages, development, utilities, subdividing parcels, and so on. Similarly, if I was going to inherit a baseball team worth half a billion I’d start to learn the basics of player development, player evaluation, roster construction, team management, and so on.
Not Jeff, though.
I'm looking at what Omar put together pre-crash.
I’m not sure we can blame BM for this.
When they brought him up it was because the
(misguidedly) felt he could help in the pen, development be damned. Now that he’s a mop-up man, they must realize that’s not happening. I think they just feel that sending him down would be publicly admitting their mistake
this is probably a big issue
they’ve always been reluctant to admit mistakes
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
unfortunately
It seems the teams MO is not too change anything while they are winning including rosters and lineups. The only chance for him going back down is the mets going on some sort of losing streak, and I don’t want to root for that. Sigh. Its so hard rooting for this team.
by Blame-everyone-else on Jun 17, 2010 1:08 AM EDT reply actions
the mets MO for the past few years has always been to try and get the fans to root against the team
back in the day, i didn’t give a crap about the bench players or subs on the team. now i have to pray cora gets injured so his roster spot and 2.5 million aren’t wasted. we have to hope somehow the mets do well and k-rods option doesn’t vest. that the mets win games, but somehow they find reasons to send down GMJ, jacobs, cats, mejia. it’s sickening really. i mean i’m glad they are winning but while we’re at it, lets make some quality decisions. the front office has been about two months behind AA every step of the way this year.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
He'll go down when Maine gets back
I really think this will be the decision, especially after tonight. In a way, Jerry’s incompetence and impatience of taking him out after 2 walks will be the final wake up call to Omar. It has to be. If you don’t trust him to work thru 2 walks with a 4 run lead, you don’t have faith in him as a major leaguer. That’s a fact. Who else is going to get sent down? Maybe Valdes, but I still think it will be JM over him or Iggy. They can downplay the move over the all star break or over the July 4 weekend and Meijia will at least get about 10 starts in the minors.
really?
they found a way to not send him down in spring training, they found a way not to after the 20 inning affair when they needed arms, they found a way not too when Iggy came back up, they found a way not too when Niese came back, you really think they won’t find a way not to when, or if and at this point its a MAJOR if, Maine comes back?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Barring another injury
Maine will be back. They are required to activate pitchers after 30 days in rehab.
How long he’ll last is another story.
Don't they have the option of putting Maine in AAA?
I suppose one of the big market clubs might pick up Maine and the $2 million salary he’s owed for the rest of the year, but I don’t think that’s a given and I don’t think it’s a bad idea for the Mets if they lose him. I’m pretty sure that 2 mil can help them get more certainty wrt pitching this year than Maine is going to bring them, and what will his role be when he comes back, anyway?
Maine has more than 3 years of MLB service
He can refuse a minor-league assignment, and even if he agrees, he has to clear waivers first.
Hit return too soon, oops
That wasn’t an issue for Perez because nobody is going to take on that ridiculous contract, but for Maine it might be.
Thanks for the info.
I’d be fine putting Maine through waivers and losing him if necessary.
Wouldn't the Mets be reponsible for most of the 2 million
If he is claimed off waivers? The Wilpons have shown time and again their aversion to eating bad contracts.
by Blame-everyone-else on Jun 17, 2010 9:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if he was claimed off waivers
the team that claimed him would be responsible for his salary. The Mets would be responsible for most of his salary if they released him and then another team signed him.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
the same thing is even Omar and the front office know its a bad idea
our organization has reached the point where Omar’s too smart for them.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
This is a completely insane thing to say.
Probably because it’s true.
The team’s new slogan.
Omar: One of the Five Worst GMs in baseball, Too Good for the Mets.
We know Minaya’s not going anywhere because of the money he’s owed, and Manuel’s not going anywhere because he has the Wilpons’ ear. I suppose he might be gone at the end of the season if they end up under .500, but if the Mets get to the postseason he’s going to get an extension.
Wikipedia claims Jerry’s nickname is The Sage. Which herb is that one again?
I have to wonder what Warthen's role is in this.
He hasn’t said much publicly, and when he did, back in the spring, he was comparing Jenrry to Gooden, not Rivera or Krod. I wonder if he’s been muzzled, too.
Seems like he has.
He hasn’t been in the organization long. I doubt if he has much pull.
"I challenge anyone to provide even one sensible reason why he is still in the majors."
My anonymous scout told me that Mejia is very arrogant and that would severely impact his development in the minors. He wouldn’t take instructions from the pitching coach and he constantly ignored the catcher’s signs. He thought too highly of his fastball and couldn’t care less about throwing other pitches. So, the FO mastermind plan involved bringing him up and let major league hitters humble his a**. After he lost his confidence attitude, he would return to the minors to stretch and to polish his delivery. That would also downplay the teams asking for Mejia in a trade.
/why report facts when you can make that up?
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
the sad thing is
I wish this was true. At least then I’d know the front office had a real plan…
2009 Did Not Happen
lol i've actually heard multiple yankees fans use that explanation for Joba
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I Think People Need to Chill Out About Mejia
He’s 20, he’s been up for two and a half months, and has electric stuff. There are good reasons to keep him up and good reasons to send him down. As for the former, he may be able to help the team now in the pen while learning lessons on how to pitch to major league hitters, not guys with AAA talent. As for the latter, he needs probably could use more work on his secondary pitches and control (though that AAA adversaries limit what he can learn there).
It’s not as though we have had him up for several seasons and ruined him as a starter and reduced his overall value as a player the way we did turning Heilman into a declining middle reliever rather than developing him as an adequate-but-not-spectacular starter. We also did this with Octavio Dotel before moving him, though making a decent closer out of a potential starter is less of a development crime than making him into middle relief. (We may be doing that again with Bobby Parnell, but he’s probably does not have Mejia’s talent.) We’re not messing him up as the $240 million monster has with Joba. I think we need to let this season play out and only be alarmed if it looks as though Mejia is unable to develop next year into either a decent starter or a potential closer.
by Marc from Brooklyn on Jun 17, 2010 6:42 AM EDT reply actions
Mejia
With all due respect, I think this is a pretty big deal. Mejia’s actually been a net negative, from a performance standpoint.
WPA: -0.59 (lowest of any Met reliever)
WXRL: -.197 (lowest of any Met reliever besides Igarashi)
WAR: -0.2 (actually below replacement level)
FIP: 4.92
xFIP: 4.92
K/9: 5.4 (significantly below average)
The logic for having Mejia up was that the Mets wanted to win now. Mejia is actually making that task harder with his performance. And even if he were performing well, I would still want him sent down. He has some significant development issues (secondary pitches, as you stated), and needs to be gradually stretched into a 200+ innings pitcher, which will take several years to accomplish, considering how limited his track record is. On top of this, he’s not going to learn command of secondary pitches in the majors, particularly when management thinks that his fastball is good enough for relief work on its own.
If Mejia had been given a couple of years to develop his secondary offerings and it hadn’t helped, I could see moving him into the bullpen, a la Eric Gagne. But from my perspective, all this has done is stunt his development.
by sjohnson125 on Jun 17, 2010 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Well done.
An even stronger argument than the one I’ve had brewing in my head for the past two months.
by lefty vs lefty on Jun 17, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Omar has also said
that they feel that he’s being helped by being in a major league environment, but that’s just transparently covering for the win now attitude.
I'm Not Thrilled With Him Here; I Would Have Left Him at AAA All Year to Start
But, I still think you are all overreacting. There have been a lot of pitchers who have become successful starters after starting in the pen and developing their stuff. Adam Wainwright is a good example. If this were the third season of Mejia in the pen, I’d be as upset as all of you. The Yanks have so screwed up Joba that it may take another organization to straighten him. If Mejia continues to struggle, sure, send him down and let him start. But, the pen is now a matter of riding the hot hand. Maybe he’ll get hot again and locate his pitches better.
by Marc from Brooklyn on Jun 18, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
There's a lot wrong with your argument.
For starters, there’s this:
But, the pen is now a matter of riding the hot hand. Maybe he’ll get hot again and locate his pitches better.
He is not the hot hand. In fact, he has fallen to the very bottom of the bullpen depth chart. It is doing nobody any good to have Mejia sitting in the bullpen in the majors when pitchers who can provide a ‘hot hand’ are available in the minors.
Then there’s this:
There have been a lot of pitchers who have become successful starters after starting in the pen and developing their stuff. Adam Wainwright is a good example.
There’s very few similarities between Mejia’s, Chamberlain’s, and Wainwright’s situations. Firstly, Mejia’s only been a pitcher for about 5 years, and his stuff is still very raw. Chamberlain was drafted out of college, and thus had had 4 years experience starting. Wainwright was drafted at 18, and didn’t reach the majors for good until his age 24 season, when he appeared in 61 games, throwing 75 innings of relief. Wainwright had 5 1/2 minor league seasons under his belt, totaling 135 starts and nearly 790 innings. He’d had a chance to develop his stuff; Jenrry hasn’t. He entered this season with just 44 innings above A ball. Secondly, Wainwright moved into the Cardinals’ rotation the next season. If Jerry is allowed back next season, what guarantees do we have that he won’t pull the same idiotic/selfish bullshit with Jenrry again next year, too? Thirdly, Wainwright was only in the pen in 2006 because Tony LaRussa clearly thought that although he was major-league ready, the team had better options. Besides, they basically only used 7 starters all year, 3 of whom made more than 30 starts. Mark Mulder and Anthony Reyes made 17 each, Jeff Weaver made 15, and Sydney Ponson made 13. Was a 25-year old rookie with just 2 IP in the majors going to get starts over those guys? Thirdly, Chamberlain has at least been given the chance to start in the majors. He’s made 43 starts in 122 appearances, after only making 3 relief appearances in the minors (out of 18 games pitched). He’s a pretty much fully-developed pitcher who’s struggling as a starter in the bigs. Jenrry Mejia is a 20 year-old prospect who should be developing in AA ball. There are only 2 reasons you put a starter in the bullpen: 1)You have a surplus of starting pitching; 2)He’s not quite ready to face major leaguers, but he’s got nothing left to prove in the minors. Neither one of those situations applies here.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jun 18, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
for the 10,000 time
Adam Wainwright was 24 with about 500 minor league innings, when he was put in the bullpen.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
With all due respect
If Mejia were treated properly, we could get 15-30 free wins from him over the course of his controlled career. Now he is costing us wins. You think that 15-30 free wins over 6-ish years is no big deal??
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jun 17, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Checklist: 10 Things JerMar Screwed Up Yet Were Finally Fixed (Albeit Later Than Necessary)
1. Dumping Li’l Sarge
2. Dumping Catalanotto
3. Dumping Jacobs (with extreme prejudice)
4. Promoting Ike, Carter, Jeebus Feliciano, Tejada
5. Pulling Ollie from rotation
6. Pulling Maine from rotation
7. Putting Dickey in rotation
8. Putting Tak2 in rotation
9. Putting Nieve in cold storage
10. Demoting Mejia so he can begin developing his starter chops … oh, wait …
Also add in
11) placing pagan in the 2 hole (eventually)
12) restoring Wright to the 3 hole (eventually)
I could kind of understand it
if he was pitching well in a set up role. This doesn’t make any sense though. He’s rotting in the bullpen, racking up service time, not improving for down the road, and not helping us right now. It’s the worst of both worlds. At this point they’re just being stubborn.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
We need to turn this into a Petiton to the team, I bet 2000 individuals posting will be easy we might get 10 or 20K
Its crazy for him to be up with a manager that Panics with a 5 run lead
Usage like last night when he could of walked 3 and still not had the tying run at the plate.
I could see it if Jerry would risk a gm every so often to have him pitch 2 innings in these blowout type games, But not when you take him out as soon as he gets a runner or 2 on
Even the MSM is starting to get it (Joel Sherman)
In his last six outings, since May 31, Mejia has appeared in six games. In one, the Mets trailed by two runs when he entered. In the other five, the Mets were ahead or behind by no fewer than five runs when he came in. For the season 12 of his 29 appearances have begun in that situation: at least a five-run lead one way or the other.
He has not been asked to protect a tie and/or a lead of two or fewer runs since May 4 in Cincinnati. And maybe the inconsequential role is beginning to impact his stuff. Consider that he has faced 18 batters in June and has struck out none of them. Last night, asked to defend a five-run lead, Mejia walked the only two batters he faced.
The Mets could not really have envisioned this as a development plan for Mejia: That by mid-June he would be a mop-up man with a far inferior role to Elmer Dessens. It is not too late. Get him to the minors. Get him starting. Build up his arm, his repertoire and his experience – and his value.
Sherman's been on the "send him down" bandwagon from the outset.
Good on him.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 17, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I really hope when Maine gets back Mejia gets sent down
i feel like its our last best hope of him ever ending up where he belongs. It almost makes me look forward to Maine coming back, just to see if theres any hope of fixing this horrible mistake.
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 17, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions
Mejia is in the majors
simply to remind us all that this is the Mets. I mean they’ve made all the sensible roster moves by now. This is one last move to kinda remind us that Omar is still running the show.
by Blame-everyone-else on Jun 17, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions
yeah but Cora is the manager
i’m almost convinced he’s the only reason Carter is getting playing time and David isn’t in the bottom half of the line up. Jerry would probably have activated Castillo to dh him. And would have a line up where he has an awesome hitter followed by one of the worse, to stretch the line up.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
alex cora on the roster isnt the end of the world
having so many young players, there is some validity to having a vet around to help the transition.
Giving him the contract that they did when they did was inexcusable.
Giving him the # of starts they have so far is inexcusable.
If he was signed for 750,000 near the end of the offseason for 1 year and was the last guy off the bench, it wouldnt be a bad thing.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
your saying about Veterans but at the time he was signed you have a veteran in Maine, Castillo and Wright has 5yrs experience
In the outfield Francour is 6yrs and Bay has to be in the 8 to 10 range
doubtful Mejia will be sent down when Maine returns
I bet dollars to donuts Chris Carter gets sent down…
and when Ollie returns…I bet Dessens will go down.
or any useful warm body, at any rate.
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