Yankees 4, Mets 0: Teix Message To Santana Says, "LOL, WUT?"

by Eric Simon on Jun 20, 2010 4:28 PM EDT

Ironic, perhaps, that a bunch of no-good bastages played a game like this on Father's Day. The Mets offense managed practically nothing against CC Sabathia: a measly four hits and two walks over eight innings. Johan Santana was fine but unspectacular, giving up four runs on a grand slam to Mark Teixeira in the third inning that accounted for all of the Yankees run scoring on the afternoon.

I guess the only debatably Jerrible moment was starting Fernando Tatis at DH over Chris Carter, but it's hard to quibble with favoring the platoon advantage on that one. Ultimately, the Mets just couldn't get anything going with the bats today and I doubt that Carter's Animal magnetism would have made much difference.

So we bid adieu to Yankee Stadium 3 for another year. The Mets have Monday off before sidling over to Citi Field to begin a series with the Tigers on Tuesday.

Poem by Howard Megdal

Johan the victim of one big blast
While CC's acedom is not in the past
It's fair to wonder if Mets are only winner
When strength of schedule is set to beginner

SB Nation Coverage

* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Pinstripe Alley Gamethread

Win Probability Added

Big winners: Jason Bay, +6.2% WPA, Ruben Tejada, +1.5% WPA
Big losers: Johan Santana, -15.7% WPA, Fernando Tatis, -10.0% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Bay walk in seventh, +5.1% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Teixeira grand slam in third, -16.0% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: -14.5% WPA
Total batter WPA: -35.5% WPA
GWRBI!: Mark Teixeira

Game Thread Roll Call

Nice job by astromets; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.

Num	Name	# of Posts
1	astromets	109
2	Gina	97
3	KeithsMoustache	86
4	Michkin	74
5	freakystyley	74
6	fxcarden	68
7	Evan_S	68
8	Syler	53
9	sj10689	52
10	HotChipWillBreakYourLegs	50

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Yesterday's loss didn't really suck all that much. Today's did.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 20, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions

I can't argue with Tatis at DH. The guy needs to play every once in a while, right?

I know little of Carter against lefties and I’m too lazy to look it up.

a 7-2 road trip is a 7-2 road trip. And it’s not like we lost 2 games to a team in our division or even our league. Move on and have a nice homestand.

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jun 20, 2010 4:39 PM EDT reply actions

I also like the off day between what are effectively home games, as far as players are concerned

Everyone can relax tomorrow and get ready for the tigers and twinks

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jun 20, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

http://twitter.com/KBurkhardtSNY/status/16643442096

by Steve Lepore on Jun 20, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions

Are you laughing at his photo?

Or at the content of said tweet?

by MookieTheCat on Jun 20, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm just laughing at Kevin Burkhardt, period.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 20, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions

It's Burkhardt,so ... little from Column A, little from Column B.

by Steve Lepore on Jun 20, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions

I hate to be that guy,

but John Sterling said “Teix message” yesterday during the game. Very worrisome.

And the Mets continued their job of not supporting Santana…

Ryan Miller was the true MVP.

by Jsz on Jun 20, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions

Bastages? Izzatso?

were the fraggin bastages?

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Jun 20, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions

BLAh

I still don’t think tatis is roster worthy anymore. He hasn’t done anything this year, and while I would be hard pressed to say who should take his spot, I think he’s ready to be put out to pasture. Give Carter a chance and see what he can/cannot do against CC.

Mejia looked good today…..nice reward.

Make a move for a big starter. Santana’s getting progressively worse. His stuff is not ace worthy anymore, and this team could use a complimentary piece in ths starting rotation. Just my opinion…..

by Stearnsfan12 on Jun 20, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions

Tatis is a decent #3 bat off the bench.

Plus he can play 1B, 3B, LF, RF, 3B, and in a pinch SS and C. He’s also relativley affordable.
The problem is Jerry not using him for 3 weeks then expecting him to be productive in a big pinch hitting spot or whenever he decide to insert him into the roster.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jun 20, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions

At this point, I would prefer Evans or Hessman

when he gets healthy over Tatis. Tatis doesn’t look like he wants to be here anymore. He did get two starts, plus several ABs on this road trip and did nothing with them. As a bench guy your are going to go through times when you don’t get at bats. Jerry’s big mistake has been not giving Tatis a spot start at 2b instead of Cora every now and then. That’s inexcusable.

by David G on Jun 21, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Are mets fans ever going to see the real Santana again?

Who ever this guy is this year, i don’t want him because he’s not pitching like an starting ace for this ball club……..Pelfrey looks more like the ace this season for the mets and maybe in the future too

by Jermal on Jun 20, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions

you don't want him?

remember not so long ago a start in milwaukee? then san diego? look at everything other than that unfortunate sequence of batters in the third and santana was fine today. only thing missing lately is k’s, which is a concern but he could easily have a ubaldo jimenez type second half – he has done it before

by astromets on Jun 20, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions

He had 5 walks and three Ks in San Diego

He looks no better than the guy who struggled for the last three months of last year

Santana needs to be able to get more strikeouts, otherwise he simply won’t be effective

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Jun 20, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions

An "ineffective" Johan Santana > 75% other pitchers in the MLB

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 20, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes but ...

most pitchers aren’t paid like Johan so its a bit worrisome to see this type of decline. Especially when his peripherals point more towards regressing than improving. Not getting a lot of K’s is alright as long as you are getting lots of GB’s and infield flies, but that is not really the case so far this year with Johan. His GB rate is right around his career average, meaning that by not striking guys out his giving up more LD’s and FB’s which is a bad thing.

Not to mention he his HR/FB rate is a miniscule 5.5%, which isn’t likely to last.

Maybe you can pitch to lazy fly balls and sustain that, but I’d be very curious to know if there is any president for that occurring.

by Balagast on Jun 20, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions

and just to clarify

I’m not trying to rip Johan or say that we should ditch him right now. I’m just tryin to be a little realistic with my expectations.

The guy is coming off elbow surgery and has been known as a “second half pitcher”, so there’s always that likelihood that he bounces back and has a monster second half.

by Balagast on Jun 20, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions

75% aren't owed 100 million!!!

and that’s not really true I don’t think. Unless you’re including relievers.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 20, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Looking at Fangraphs, he's worth 1.4 WAR now.

There’s 50 qualifying starting pitchers who are ahead of Santana, in terms of fangraphs’ WAR value, right now. There’s 62 who are behind him. I suck at math and percentages and stuff, but that’s about 50%-60% of qualifying starting pitchers that Santana’s better then. That’s close enough to 75%. 75 is just too much of a nice, easy number to use.

As far as the salary part, he needs to have (I am estimating) a WAR of about 3.5-4.0 or so to be worth the contract, so sayth the WAR-Dollars conversion. Given where we are in the season, his history, mitigated by his injury/surgery concerns, I think breaking even or just about is a distinct possibility.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 20, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I think breaking even isn't even close to possible

for 23 million per he needs to be 5 WAR on average the last years, and that’s using the value of 4.5 million, (where as it’s dropped to 3.5 million now meaning he’d need to be worth 6 WAR per year). Considering he’s unlikely to top 4 this year and didn’t top it last year I don’t think that’s happening.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 20, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions