Jenrry Mejia The Big League Reliever: Our Long National Nightmare Is Over
Nearly three months ago, the Mets based an Opening Day roster decision on three weeks of exhibition pitching against a mixed bag of offensive opposition ranging from minor league non-entities, has-been fringe major leaguers, and actual big leaguers going through the motions at half speed. Considered in a vacuum, that decision wasn't terribly surprising because nearly every team uses Spring Training performances as the basis for who scoops up the last couple of spots on the club. The worst-case scenario is usually allowing a washed-up nobody pitch a couple dozen low-leverage innings or giving a tired hack a few throwaway pinch hitting appearances. This move didn't happen in a vacuum, though, and ten weeks after the decision was made there still isn't a likely defensible explanation for it.
In 2009, then 19-year-old Jenrry Mejia breezed through High-A St. Lucie before stumbling upon his call-up to Double-A Binghamton, allowing 71 baserunners in 44.1 innings. The strikeout rate was still impressive (9.54 K/9), but the walk rate was disappointing (4.67 BB/9). It wasn't a big deal, though, because he was about to turn 20 in October and nobody actually expected him to crack the big league roster for at least another full season.
Then Spring Training 2010 rolled around, and despite inviting a bunch of interesting bullpen arms to camp -- Kiko Calero, Ryota Igarashi, Nelson Figueroa, Clint Everts, and so on -- the Mets were understandably wowed by Mejia's mid-to-high nineties heat during his bullpen sessions and early exhibition play. Mejia's fastball was so impressive that he went on to pitch more innings this spring -- all in relief -- than all but three other pitchers threw overall: Mike Pelfrey, Jon Niese, and Oliver Perez, all starters. So Mejia tossed 17 innings in March against, on aggregate, something well below the level of major league competition. He threw hard, walked few, struck out few, threw hard, got plenty of ground balls, and also threw hard. That overpowering fastball was the party line we were fed every day in March, and that was ultimately the reason Mejia made the team.
It seemed clear at the time that at least one ulterior motive for Mejia's promotion was the boost it would give Jerry Manuel's chances of surviving the first month of the season as the team's manager. Besides, why should Manuel care if the move could potentially delay Mejia's development as a starting pitcher? Manuel was on the hot seat, after all. What's clear is that the difference Mejia was likely to offer in a best-case scenario over, say, Kiko Calero or Elmer Dessens, was negligible at best. One win? Probably not even that much. As it turns out, Mejia struggled with his control early on, as many 20-year-olds do, and was quickly relegated to middle relief/garbage innings. But that happened at least a month ago, so why did it still take this long for the Mets to cut their losses and send Mejia back where he belonged? That one is still a mystery to all.
The only rationally sound explanation for keeping Mejia with the big club to have him pitch mop-up innings out of the bullpen was to save his arm a bit so he could put in a partial season as a starter in the minors and still pitch winter ball to round out his development season. There's actually some logic to that plan, but it's a certainty that it isn't one of the reasons Mejia has been with the Mets to this point. How could it be? Every other explanation is either fatuous, retarding to Mejia's development, or both, so any intellectually honest organization would just come out and say that was their plan from the outset.
So where does this leave Mejia? As Sam astutely pointed out back in March, here's what the Mets were risking by adding Mejia to the active roster.
When Mejia starts this season as a reliever, he will be afforded no opportunity to develop his curveball and changeup, essential to his long-term development as a starter (see: Pelfrey, Mike). While the Mets may indicate that the long-term plan remains using him at a starter, this move retards his development as a starter by at least a season. It also starts his arbitration clock, meaning he would begin arbitration and free agency a year earlier than if he just spent two months in the minors. That's potentially two lost seasons of an ace pitching on major-league minimum.
That still pretty much sums it up. Have the Mets caused irreparable damage to Mejia's career? No, probably not. Was bringing Mejia up instead of leaving him in Double-A defensible? Doubtful, and certainly not for the reasons the Mets have given. Should we have any confidence that they've learned something from this debacle that they might apply to similar situations in the future? One can only hope. At all events, our long national nightmare is finally over, which is good news for Jenrry Mejia, Double-A starting pitcher.
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thank goodness
1. Just to play off the history of your title, our long national nightmare may be over but that doesn’t mean that Omar and Jerry should no longer be impeached.
2. The worst, most incoherent defense of leaving Mejia in the majors was offered, by of all people, Ron Darling, during yesterday’s broadcast. very very disappointed in that man to say the least. It just goes to show you that even Yale graduates can be dumb fools sometimes.
Everybody say your graces
that Jenrry Mejia was not a lights out reliever. Otherwise, we would have the single-digit IQ FAN boys clamoring for him to be the next Marmol.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jun 21, 2010 8:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You know whats sad?
Even Metsmerized think Mejia getting sent down is a good idea.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day
Also, I am amused by the fact that the first post about this has 645 comments
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Jun 21, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
When other organizations
Tell the mets that they want to see him start in order to evaluate him for trade purposes, that should be an indicator as to why this was so stupid. Mejia in the majors is going to cost the mets thole along with mejia
for cliff lee, instead of just mejia if he had been starting all along. Praying that I am wrong, but people seem to be naive about the mets motives here. They sent him to the minkrs for trade value
purposes ,because other teams were rightfully arguing he was only a reliever and they needed more
by Bruce Wayne on Jun 21, 2010 8:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
To the minors
Big thumb Monday. Sorry
by Bruce Wayne on Jun 21, 2010 8:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This Morning Olney is saying Lee is going to Twins
Which makes sense there farm is full of prospects and when he leaves they will draft well. Unlike the Mets
I hope so
As long as it’s not any team in New York.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 21, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
they can afford to give them wilson ramos and a few other prospects
"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur
by RangersandMets on Jun 21, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Reports are that the Rangers are also in the hunt for Lee.
Since he’ll be cheaper than Oswalt.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
the more i have been thinking about it lately
the more i am happy someone else will get him
Definitely
I kinda hope Phillthy gets Lee so they have no one left in their system to replace Ibanez, Werth, Moyer, or Polanco.
And if Oswalt goes to a non-despicable team, like Minnesota or Texas, that’s fine by me.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
agreed
and then Lee walks. it will be beautiful…as long as they don’t win a ws and I don’t think getting lee makes them a favorite.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I wouldn't think it makes them a lock either
as it still only gives them 2 big pitchers (even if they could get around sending out Hamels for Lee).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
well I don't think there's any chance they'd send Hamels for Lee
even they can’t be that stupid right?
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I think that he kept Mejia up as a defensive PR move
The press had been creating buzz for Mejia. Had the bullpen faltered in the first month, there would be one more thing to pile onto Jerry about. So he keeps Mejia but doesn’t give him a chance to mess up. But maybe I’m wrong here…anyone with information that would make me look stupid is welcome to respond.
the problem is
how can a team be so incredibly out of touch with their fan base to think they actually looked better by keeping him up, especially for these last 3 weeks.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
I don't disagree with you
I just think that the move was consistent with trying to minimize criticism from the press.
I don't think this was PR thing (at least primarily)
They pumped up his performance in ST, it wasn’t the press that created the buzz as much as Jerry prompted the press to create a buzz. If Omar (or whoever is in charge in the FO) just steps in and says, “He’s young and needs development in the minors, there is absolutely no chance he starts the season in the majors”, they are covered PR-wise. It’s exactly what they did with Ike and Animal.
They brought Mejia up because they wanted him on the roster, any other interpretation of their moves starts gettting far-fetched.
by SoCal Metfan on Jun 21, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
So Omar says that development comment. Jerry repeats it. Then the bullpen falters in the first month…who do you think they go after on that? The opinion pieces read something to the effect of “well of course the bullpen sucks. They didn’t take the best available pitchers from spring training. They have a guy in the minors who throws upper 90’s and was untouchable, but instead they picked up a guy past his prime.”
So instead they take exactly who the media was pushing them to take, because then the media can’t comment on it without looking like a bunch of hypocrits.
The Animal and Mejia are two completely different situations, if only because a lot of the mainstream media was behind having Mejia in the majors from day 1. The call for the Animal didn’t start from them until much later in the season (I believe it was when the team was faltering).
And saying “they called him up because they wanted him on the roster” is like saying “they wanted him on the roster because they wanted him on the roster.” It doesn’t really speak to the justification behind having him there. Did they want him on the roster because he could be their eventual closer? Did they want to use him as a setup man? Did he offer versitility? I just don’t think we can be that conclusory in such an absurd situation.
Animal and Ike both *destroyed* ST
And the media was well aware of it. But they weren’t entertained as possiblilities to leave ST with the big club because the FO didn’t promote the idea. Unlike what they did with Mejia.
IF they had laft Mejia in the minors and in the first couple weeks the ‘pen falters…then at that point, maybe it’s vialbe to say it’s a PR move. It’d still be wrong, but by bringing him to north with the big club it was a clear move
The situations between Ike, Animal and Mejia aren’t exactly the same, but they are absolutely comparable, except that Animal was already a minor league vet and on the 40 man. There was no reason to send Animal down, while keeping guys like Jacobs and Catalonotto on the roster. Ike is more similar to Mejia, but even then he at least had dominated AA ball, something Mejia had never done. Despite Ike having more of a proven track record in the high minors they sent him down. Mejia lacking all these things, was kept in the pen. Clearly, it wasn’t a matter of media.
I don’t even know what you’re arguing in that last paragraph. Clearly they wanted Mejia in the bullpen, as to why, I’ve never speculated, because there was no good reason. It wasn’t a PR move. They obviously wanted him on the roster and started telling the press that he should make the team in the pen. If they don’t circulate those stories, it’s not even a PR discussion. To frame the Mejia-in-the-bullpen as a move to prevent PR critism rings hollow.
by SoCal Metfan on Jun 21, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
I don’t see the situations as the same. I also think that saying that my argument “rings hollow” when we both have valid points is kind of a dick move.
I think that the Animal wasn’t the go to guy for the press because Omar had already spent a lot of money on other options (See Mike Jacobs). I think that the press picked up on Jenrry Mejia as much as Jerry did. Maybe it wasn’t Omar’s first choice, but once the press picked up on him then it’s a stupid move to send him to the minors when the press already wants your head on a pike.
How about Brad Holt last spring training
he turned in a similar dominate performance, was older and a “bigger name” coming off a rookie league domination. And no one in the media was clamoring for him in the bullpen.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
Yes
But their jobs weren’t nearly as threatened. Do you think that Jerry and Omar weren’t going to get fired if they put up a year like last year?
the only reasons their jobs got saved
were the injuries. otherwise they were in danger because of the previous two seasons end
I apologize if my choice of words offended you.
it certainly was not my intention.
As for Animal vs Jacobs, Jacobs was signed to a minor-league deal, he’d cost next to nothing to send away. The fact that he remains in our minor league system shows that there was never any danger of him being lost.
That being said, I acknowledge we shall have to agree to disagree on this. I’ve made my points, if you disagree, I’ll tip my cap to you.
by SoCal Metfan on Jun 21, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that Jacobs leaving wasn't the issue
The issue was that we were spending more money on him than he was worth. He’s making 1 million with 1 million in performance bonuses.
The only reason he's making $1M
is because they brought him north with the big club. He was signed to a minor league deal, if he was sent down, he’d be paid a minor league salary.
by SoCal Metfan on Jun 21, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick who?
Seriously though, ugh, don’t remind me that Jacobs is wasting a roster spot in Buffalo over an actual player who might contribute.
by SoCal Metfan on Jun 21, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Evans is not an actual player, you should know that by now.
It’s a media invention like the Moon landing or Santa.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
Wait. Santa? What are you saying?!?!
*sniff*sniff*
/loss of childhood innocence
by SoCal Metfan on Jun 21, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Brad Holt dominated spring training last year too didn't he
and was older and no one was lobbying for him. This all started with Jerry taking it to the media.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
See above
Whether or not Bradley Hold would have made the roster this year had he reproduced his 2009 spring training is an interesting question. I think that Jerry and Omar had a very short leash going into this season, and they’ve been managing that way for most of the year (I think that the recent road trip has given them both some breathing room).
It's been reported that the hope was that he could be the setup guy
They (apparently mostly Jerry and Jeff?) thought with his velocity he wouldn’t need much else, what with starting the inning, so nobody on base.
Why they’ve kept him for mop-up, god knows.
Yeah, I had heard that they wanted him for setup duties as well
But if that was the case, then why did they never put him in late and tight situations? They saved him for blowouts and extra-inning games (when they needed any arm).
I have felt that most of the early misteps with the roster were attempts to avoid criticism.
Glass half full
It is reassuring that our ball club EVENTUALLY, does the right thing. Unfortunately it take them way too long to come to the right conclusion.
Henry Mejia, down to the minors, Amen.
Thank god it's finally done
Mejia down and I get Captain Fastball back. It’s a good start to the week.
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 21, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
Better late than never
Though I wish is were sooner rather than later. Woulda been nice to not waste his service time clock on this ’pen nonsense.
They probably haven't learned their lesson
Even those who are admitting they were wrong (Popper, Burkhart) haven’t admitted that the whole philosophy was wrong, and they probably just think that the problem was that Mejia couldn’t cut it. But if the Mets think the next guy (Matt Harvey?) has the polish that Mejia was missing and has the ability to make it as an “8th inning guy,” what’s to say they’re not going to try it again?
word is that he doesnt have the polish to be a starter
i heard his coach interviewed on the fan, and he naturally was a huge believer in him, but if he becomes a dominant set-up man that isn’t too bad – we need one of those too.
considering any pick could never contribute, and looking at the past decade of our picks that happens a lot
getting a reliable 3 outs from a pick is still nice
That's not really the point
Just like Mejia, he should be given every opportunity to be a starter, and that doesn’t include sticking him in a set-up role in the near future.
Maybe I'm being
overly pessimistic here, but I really hope the Mets didn’t send Jennry down to start just to trade him. That would be really disappointing.
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
prepare yourself
I read somewhere yesterday that Minaya was hearing from potential trade partners that they wanted to get a look at him starting.
i reserve a special level of rage for when this inevitably occurs
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 21, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
and of course it won't even be a deal that makes sense
like Meija for Haren. It will be Meija for Lee, and we’ll agree to not offer Lee arbitration.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
although maybe it was part of their grand plan
by having him pitch in the bullpen way before he was ready they’ve convinced significant portions of the media and metsblog crowd that he’s a crappy prospect, so now they can trade him in a horrible deal without backlash in the short-term.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
but that would suggest they are actually actively trying to undermine the team
I’d believe gross incompetence, but i doubt they could hope to keep their jobs while intentionally destroying the team.
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 21, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
if this was true
couldn’t we claim all of them should be admitted to a hospital as clinically insane and someone else should be allowed to run the team. like what michael j fox was trying to do in that one movie greed
Well I don't mean a horrible win now move
like moving him for Victor Zambrano. I mean like in a deal for Oswalt or Lee, it helps the team in the short term and saves them their jobs.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
someone on metsblog was actually claiming that
a) him pitching in the bullpen helped his trade value
b) the only way for pitchers to learn to get major league hitters out is to be facing major league hitters, as if the minor leagues didn’t exist or something
well what good pitchers has the minor leagues ever produced???
none that i can think of
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
It's not that they're wrong,
it’s that they have no clue what they’re talking about. What sense is it to expose your best prospect to ML-hitters when he’s not ready yet? The whole “win now, fuck the future” thought process that permeates the fanbase & management is outdated & needs to change.
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
agreed
he was also comparing mejia to hughes, liriano and santana – as expected – and just clearly has done no research before speaking
well if he didn't bring up wainwright
then that’s progress!
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
probably doesn't even realize who that is
or has burned him out of his memory as i have. By the way, Liriano is an awful comp as he then got injured and has never been the same since
Not that it makes a difference in the comp
but Liriano looks pretty damn good this year.
by SoCal Metfan on Jun 21, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
he looks good now
but he looked like ubaldo before.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.
3.4 WAR in about a 3rd of a season so far
His best full season (only half as a starter), he produced 4.1 WAR. There’s an argument to be made that he’s as good now as he ever was.
by SoCal Metfan on Jun 21, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
i knew he was good this year
but not that good
"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur
by RangersandMets on Jun 21, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
damn and i was going to look into his stats for this year too
but i figured he probably wasn’t that great. ima go have a look now though
if we somehow agreed to not offer Lee arbitration in a trade
someone near me would get hurt bad
Just reading this idea angries up my blood
blood pressure rising, rising, rising….
by SoCal Metfan on Jun 21, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i support this
he can win the ws by himself
i'd be more disappointed in myself
for letting myself believe the front office did something that made sense.
I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.




























