Tigers 6, Mets 5: We Battled
by James Kannengieser on Jun 24, 2010 10:46 PM EDT
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The Mets began the evening atop the NL East, a scant few percentage points ahead of second place Atlanta. They finished it back in second place, undone by a subpar pitching performance by Hisanori Takahashi and a late-inning failure to bring runners in from scoring position.
Tak2's control deserted him tonight -- he walked four in his four innings of work. He also surrendered two home runs, one each to Magglio Ordonez and Ryan Raburn. This was to be expected, given his below average home run to flyball rate. Righthanded hitters continue to be his bugaboo. He has a 4.58 FIP vs. righties, compared to 1.10 vs. lefties. Despite his subpar outing, he managed 15 swinging strikes in 92 pitches, or 16.3%. This is well above league the average rate of 8.3%.
David Wright went 2-for-5 but came up short in two crucial situations, striking out with the bases loaded and one out in the seventh and again to end the game in the ninth. The strikeout in the seventh was against lefty Phil Coke, who was summoned to the mound from the set of Boogie Nights:
Coke throws 94 mph and has an impressive beer gut. Basically, he's my hero.
The value of productive outs versus non-productive ones over the course of a season may not amount to much, but Wright's whiff with the sacks drunk in the seventh was especially deleterious. Ike Davis followed with a flyout to center field and the Mets failed to score against hard throwing relievers Fernando Rodney Joel Zumaya and Jose Valverde in the eighth and ninth innings.
Apparently Jerry Manuel has deftly made the transition from "second basemen must bat second" to "center fielders must bat second", as Jesus Feliciano, subbing for Angel Pagan, was penciled into the lineup immediately behind Jose Reyes in the leadoff spot. Feliciano is probably not much of a hitter and would typically be a better fit further down in the batting order where he won't get so many, how you say, plate appearances? To the Mets' benefit, results won out over process as Feliciano went 3-for-5 on the night. Reyes drew two beautiful walks -- let's hope for more from our leadoff man.
Bad Jeff Francoeur: He went 0-2 with a strikeout and saw just five pitches. His plate appearances are becoming nigh unwatchable.
Good Jeff Francoeur: Puppy Avenue.
The Twins are in town this weekend and the pitching matchups are as follows:
Friday, 6/25: Mike Pelfrey vs. Kevin Slowey
Saturday, 6/26: Johan Santana vs. Carl Pavano
Sunday, 6/27: Jon Niese vs. Scott Baker
Parts of this recap were composed by Mr. Cool Enlightened Forward-Thinking Statistics Genius.
Poem by Howard Megdal
Furious rally comes up one hit shy
While Takahashi's sell-by date may well be nigh
SB Nation Coverage
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Bless You Boys Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: Jesus Feliciano +14.3%, Ruben Tejada +8.9%
Big losers: Ike Davis -32.1%, Hisanori Takahashi -30.8%
Teh aw3s0mest play: Jesus Feliciano single +12.3%
Teh sux0rest play: David Wright strikeout -15.5%
Total pitcher WPA: -19.1%
Total batter WPA: -30.9%
GWRBI!: Danny Worth
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by astromets; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
| Num | Name | # of Posts |
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| 1 | astromets | 174 |
| 2 | BrockRocks | 158 |
| 3 | CTRefJay | 100 |
| 4 | Evan_S | 66 |
| 5 | James Kannengieser | 65 |
| 6 | Gina | 64 |
| 7 | Gorfax | 63 |
| 8 | EMSfan9 | 62 |
| 9 | aparkermarshall | 54 |
| 10 | rcnt123 | 48 |
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Losses hurt, but they happen
and if there ever is a time to lose, why not lose when the team you are trying to catch loses to, that way you lose no ground.
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
Agreed that at least it didn't hurt us in the standings
But how we lost kinda sucks. Bases loaded with one out and the best RBI man in the NL up to bat. We had to expect more at that point. Wright swings at a 2-0 pitch a foot off the plate and after that Coke was locked in. Another chance in the 8th with Carter up and two on. Keith said in the booth that he thought the left fielder was playing him opposite field too much with a huge gap in left center, Carter hits it and if the left fielder wasn’t playing where he was, he wouldn’t have gotten to it. Bad at bat cost us in the 7th and great positioning of the defense cost us in the 8th.
In trying to scramble out of a hole, it sometimes digs it deeper. ~Wellington Mara
I always root for the defense. ~Wellington Mara
Oh, and as much as I hate to say it
Jerry Manuel managed a damn good game today. Not sure what I would have done different. I’m sure there is something but overall a good job.
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
If the Mets had tied it,
we would have seen how bad a job he did. K-rod was the only reliever left after 9 innings.
he did let alex cora pinch hit didn't he?
when tatis was still on the bench.
tatis was just as FAIL as Cora
pick your poison
Tatis is a much better hitter then Cora.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
Tatis looks completely lost
in his last 20 abs or so. The lack of playing time has gotten him down on himself.
that requires flexibility
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 25, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That Wright at bat vs Coke was just a killer. Maybe its just my pessimistic nature, but the game just died on me right there; you knew Ike wasn’t gonna get a hit vs Coke — coming into tonight hes had like a .900+ OPS and a .450+ BABIP vs lefties; regression much?
Oh well, at least Parnell and Iggy looked great. Its funny how Iggy can be; he came out throwing 92 mph fastballs all over the place and then suddenly just got locked in and started throwing 95 mph darts.
I hate losses like this (rally falls short), but, whatever; 2/3 vs Detroit was good enough for me.
Yeah although
next inning they had Animal up with 2 on and 2 out, so it’s not like they folded after Dubs K’d, which is encouraging. But obviously Wright’s AB was the killer.
by dontstopbelieving on Jun 24, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the one thing that is encouraging.
Iggy getting back to what he was prior to the hamstring injury.
For awhile there, I thought he was done like Sanchez(remember him?) was. Phew!
Because
pulling a hamstring and completely destroying your shoulder to the point where experimental surgery is needed are such similar scenarios?
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
That at-bat was the whole game
I just checked out the WPA on that strikeout and it was -15.5%… worst of the game. Maggs’ homer was 15.3%.
"It’s like being in love with an alcoholic. It’s like, you constantly defend her, and people are like, ‘Dude, your alcoholic friend is a mess,’ and you’re like, ‘Nah, you don’t know her like I do."- Jim Breuer
According to our good buddy catsmeat
“Most likely, Josh Thole will catch tomorrow.” – Jerry Manuel
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
Cool. Only because In-Rod-We-Trust has back spasm issues.
Thole gets an RBI tomorrow. BOOK IT!
Straight from the post-game press conference, yes.
Not me, but the quote. I’m nowhere near Flushing.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 24, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
sweet
I Believe in 80 wins
"we believe in comebacks"
by Jadden Hopkins on Jun 24, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
who's starting tomorrow?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
that's correct
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
I doubt it will happen, but I hope this bit of success against
a legitimate team in Detroit would at least keep the haters’ voices to a minimum.
2010: Year of the Grission
Haters never stop hating.
If they did they wouldn’t be haters.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
Beltran went
0-2 with a BB in his first rehab assignment.
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
he had no chances in the field
five innings of baseball, and not one hit towards center
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
I was mocking the haters
nobody loves him more than me.
fun to watch
very investing. Wright’s K stung but it happens
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
Whoa. Just realized that Jesus went 3-5 today.
Very Pagan-like of him. Too bad he’s as slow as molasses on the Base-Pads.
Ike's at bat may have been frustrating, but Wright's was horrible.
Gah.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
The 2-0 pitch was just a killer
because it was nowhere near the zone. The rest, though, had some nasty tailing action – they looked like they were going to hit the outside corner, and seemed to spin away from him.
by dontstopbelieving on Jun 24, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
at the stadium, once he swung at the 2-0, people were beside themselves.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
and if I remember correctly, he fought off some fouls
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Funny that keith said it was a great at bat.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring; besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic."
- CRASH DAVIS
Watching Mark Malusisisisis and Aim-in Mac-Na-Me (I have no idea how to spell their names) debate is so fun. They are such idiots.
What are they discussing?
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
Probably Lee
I Believe in 80 wins
"we believe in comebacks"
by Jadden Hopkins on Jun 24, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
One of those nights
we got a number of seeing eye hits, but then had some smashes hit basically right at people.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Knicks take...
Andy Routins (Syracuse)
Landry Fields (Stanford)
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Landry Fields is an animal. Good pick by them. Dude can play. He lit Arizona up.
"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.
by Scott Coleman on Jun 24, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a blargh kind of loss
I love Dubs, but those last two at bats were fucking horrible, especially the one in the 7th.
Still, we won the series against the Tigers, a very good team, dominating two of the games and just falling short tonight
Just take 2/3 from the Twinkies, and keep the good times rolling
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
The swing and miss on 2-0 was the killer
Would have been 3-0, that was way outside. He got a little amped up on that one.
I'm guessing the Mets are almost done with the Taka experiment
His stuff is actually getting worse with each start. I wish we had somebody stashed at AAA to be a placeholder till a trade. Otherwise, 5 runs, good relief and some nice D tonight.
"stuff"
what is stuff?
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
dickey's got some good stuff
he’s practically oozing with it
"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur
by RangersandMets on Jun 24, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
and he can go all night
every night
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
by EMSfan9 on Jun 24, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's had 4 good starts
to three bad starts.
You can’t expect a whole lot more from your No. 5 guy.
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
He looked good in the first Yankee start
And the second Yankee start and Oriole game seemed more he was benefiting from the at ’em ball. I forget the 4th good start though.
in the marlins start
he was good but suffered from gopheritis
I agree, just because it's not like we're oozing with pitching depth
Our choices are Taka again or gimped Maine, headcase Ollie or the soft tossing mafia in AAA.
ugh. On second thought, I'd stick with Taka all the way then.
If those clowns and Acoste or Acosta or whatever the hell his name is are the ones to replace Taka, then I’d rather stick with him.
if you want a AAA starter up
misch has been fine
Correct me if I'm wrong but
Didn’t he shut out the Yankees for 6 innings in his last start? Poor performance today, but I’ll take him until we can find someone who’s a clear upgrade.
by dontstopbelieving on Jun 24, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well what I meant was
that this would indicate that he’s a decent pitcher.
by dontstopbelieving on Jun 24, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Perez used to dominate the Yankees
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Tak2 is no Perez
too much command. Just didn’t have it tonight
I support Jenrry Mejia as a starter. Screw you Jerry Manuel for thinking he's a set-up man.
More like Francoeur, 3/36
Omar is our GM, remember?
* sigh *
Yep.
I can also see Omar guaranteeing Frenchy a multiple-year deal immediately after he wins Arbitration(mets aren’t going to even put up a fight about it)
You know who Tak reminds me of?
Ron Darling. Of course the sample size is really small but ole Ron use to lay eggs quite a bit in which he’d be in trouble a lot a lot and give up 5 or 6 through 5. I’ll take Tak, today notwithstanding.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 25, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The guy can't get out righties at all
He’s been a nice story, but he’d probably fit better in the pen at this point
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
yep
I Believe in 80 wins
"we believe in comebacks"
by Jadden Hopkins on Jun 25, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Tak's better than good for a 5th starter.
38 IP in 7 starts, 42H, 26K, 12BB, 4.23 ERA. His FIP’s a little worse, but nothing you can’t live with.
Most teams would kill for numbers like that from the end of their rotation.
bad result but pretty decent game from the team in general
Tak just didn’t have his A game tonight. Nothing wrong with 2/3 for the series, we keep doing that we’re going to be in very good shape. If Kernan were really so F*cking psycic he’d have a lot of money right now. anybody can be negative in retrospect, but he can eat a bag of dicks as far as i’m concerned. Great series, keep up the good work.
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 25, 2010 12:58 AM EDT reply actions
Also I apologize for my prediction that Raburn would hurt us tonight
i said from the start I hope i was wrong.
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 25, 2010 1:31 AM EDT reply actions
I predicted Tak2 was in for a bad night, and I also was unfortunately right
As I said before, the Tigers feast off of soft tossing lefties, and tonight wasn’t an exception
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
I think NY Post's K. Kernan will write a recycled article, maybe something so stupid…
… about edge, toughness, RBI’s, and how some random AL is better than the Mets.
On the bright side, the bullpen
pitched real well. Nice to see Parnell (1 IP, 1 Hit, 0 BBs, 3 Ks) and Iggy (1 IP, 0 hits, 1 BB, 2 Ks) mow ’em down. Nieve and Pedro also looked strong while we tried to come back. Almost. The BP gave the offense a chance.
Ike almost got it all with that fly ball to left-center with the bases loaded. Nice try.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
Minor nitpick:
the Mets failed to score against hard throwing relievers Fernando Rodney and Jose Valverde in the eighth and ninth innings.
Zumaya pitched the eighth.
Would be nice to Thole in the lineup
bay in center sounds scary, feliciano sounded like he did a good job
and thole in the lineup tonight, reportedly
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