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Defensive misplays, league leaders

Baseball Info Solutions has found a way to measure defensive mistakes.
Outfielder Age Defensive misplays on throws
Colby Rasmus 23 7
Nate Schierholtz 26 6
Jeff Francoeur 26 6
Andrew McCutchen 23 6
Nyjer Morgan 29 6
Justin Upton 22 6

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Jeff Fancoor is teh roxx00rs.

He has pashun and hart and personality. Do your cool and progressive enlightened stats measure that? No, I didn’t think so. That’s the stuff that wins ballgames.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 26, 2010 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

No. Just Nyjer.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jun 26, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think I understand

How on earth can you say Frenchy’s ARM is the problem? I have seen very few 3rd base coaches wave players home when the ball is hit to right field. And those who are waved are usually gunned down.
I didn’t read the whole article, and dont understand how they came up with this stat, but i doubt Francoeur is weighed down at all because of his throws.

by VinnyG917 on Jun 26, 2010 1:12 AM EDT reply actions  

i cant read this all

is it just explaining how they have people sitting there watching every play and marking them based on an unbiased system?

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 26, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

meaning

what did they say about jeff specifically

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 26, 2010 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, thats fair

Let me apologize for not having the fucking time or money to get the whole article.

by VinnyG917 on Jun 27, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's an idea, don't comment?

if you can’t read it, then ignore it. Or ask someone what it says, or the methodology. Don’t admit your ignorance on the topic and then form a flippant opinion based on nothing.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jun 27, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention all you have to do is read the opening few paragraphs

which are available to everyone not just insiders, to see that the misplay rankings are saying his arm is the problem or even that he’s a bad fielder.

We track 54 types of defensive misplays

this is just one of 54, not a ranking of the worst overall. And you don’t have to have access to the whole article to find that out. It

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jun 27, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

are not saying*

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jun 27, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever consider the fact that, in admitting my ignorance, I am humbling myself to ask for assistance in clarifying said article?

I’ll be sure to keep my mouth shut next time.

by VinnyG917 on Jun 27, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not that you don't can't read it,

as I and others hear don’t have Insider access either, but that you didn’t read the article but doubt the credibility of its findings.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jun 27, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the title of this fanshot might be kind of misleading

It looks like the OP just picked out a category that Frenchy was rated poorly in and posted it. Can somebody who can read the whole article clarify?

You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.

by Kevin H on Jun 28, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

about the third base coaches holding him up

i really don’t think that will last much longer. we been discussing his arm on this site a little lately and i am not the only one who has noticed its wildness. if i can see it, scouts can see it

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 26, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

they just took away the last thing poor frenchy had going for him

THAT ROCKS!

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 26, 2010 3:37 AM EDT reply actions  

on a side note, i hate espn insider

its such a tease

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 26, 2010 3:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmm...

I can’t read the article, either, but I am rather skeptical of a statistic that ranks players based on such a small number. The league leader has 7. It just seems very similar to ranking fielders by the number of fielding or throwing errors they make, which doesn’t get you too far. Sure, the player who is multiple standard deviations above the mean in errors is probably not a good fielder, but the utility of a statistic like that seems rather limited to me.

I will also chime in about the deterrent effect of Francoeur’s arm, which seems difficult to measure. I would not expect a player like Francoeur to get very many OF assists, because players so rarely challenge it. With that said, I haven’t been able to read the article, so I may be misinterpreting this, and my objections may have been covered in the piece.

by sjohnson125 on Jun 26, 2010 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

so what you are saying

is given more opportunities he could be worse

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 26, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think this is actually a ranking of overall badness

just of these specific mistakes, most of these outfielders are actually in the top half of the league in defense.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jun 26, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares

Jeff Francouer has GRISSION.

Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Jun 26, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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