Mets 6, Twins 0: Niese, Batters Do Quite Well For Themselves
by James Kannengieser on Jun 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT
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Jon Niese fought through a dodgy 28-pitch first inning to hold the Twins scoreless through six innings. He struck out five, walked three, and induced a brilliant 12 groundouts. It's amazing what a competent infield will do for a pitcher's ERA. With Jerry Manuel preferring Ruben Tejada to Alex Cora, the Mets boasted four homegrown talents at positions three through six. The Twins' counterattack fell flat against the Mets bullpen, and Elmer Fudd Dessens, Pedro Feliciano and Bobby Parnell threw three scoreless innings to shut this thing down.
After being rendered impotent yesterday by Carl Pavano, the lineup did much better for itself against Twins starter Scott Baker. Jeff Francoeur was the unlikeliest of heroes, going 3-for-4 with a rally-killing home run in the fourth inning. David Wright hit a two-run shot in the fifth and also went 3-for-4, with one strikeout. Wright is really incredible -- he was productive at the dish and managed to contribute some money to the AA Pledge Drive. Ike Davis followed Wright's homer with his own strike of vengeance, sending Baker's offering about 440 feet over the right field wall.
Interleague play is complete and the Mets went 13-5 against their supposedly superior American League foes. A series against the Marlins in Puerto Rico begins tomorrow night, with R.A. Dickey and Ricky Nolasco the pitching matchup.
Beer of the game: Konig Ludwig Weissbier from Konig Ludwig Scholossbrauerei Kaltenberg in Bavaria, Germany
"Pours a hazy gold with plenty of thick creamy white head, which leaves plenty of lacing down the glass. Smell is fresh and clear, with scents of citrus and wheat malt. Taste is very smooth with hints of sweetness and bananas, with slightly sour finish. A very nice hefeweizen overall, I could easily drink plenty of this in one sitting." -- BeerAdvocate review.
Unintentionally sexual quote of the game: "Hitters today are more spread open with their legs." -- Keith Hernandez
Poem by Howard Megdal
Citi Field's walls are insurmountable
Niese's runs allowed are fully uncountable
Performance at home is simply redoubtable
Fans' pennant hopes are increasingly toutable
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Twinkie Town Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: Jeff Francoeur +28.5%, Jon Niese +27.2% (as pitcher)
Big losers: Jason Bay -8.8%, Ruben Tejada -6.6%
Teh aw3s0mest play: Jeff Francoeur two-run homer +24.0%
Teh sux0rest play: Jason Repko single -7.7%
Total pitcher WPA: +29.7%
Total batter WPA: +21.3%
GWRBI!: Jeff Francoeur
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by astromets; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
| Num | Name | # of Posts |
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| 1 | astromets | 112 |
| 2 | KeithsMoustache | 103 |
| 3 | aparkermarshall | 93 |
| 4 | fxcarden | 76 |
| 5 | the caveman | 64 |
| 6 | CTRefJay | 61 |
| 7 | Gina | 56 |
| 8 | TWilliAM | 55 |
| 9 | deadspy3 | 44 |
| 10 | Syler | 39 |
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Marlins and Nats coming up
Could be – fingers crossed – a good week. I hesitate to hope for too much, but I almost think our luck could be turning.
Featuring the tasty match-up of RA Dickey v Stephen Strasburg.
I’m actually looking forward to that one quite a bit. I’d love to see the knuckleballer emerge as the victor.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I like our chances
Even if it’s just thanks to Strasburg’s pitch count limitations.
i guess if jeff and rod cant hit it they will be forced to see more pitches in the at bat
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
yup, 3
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 27, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Dickey v. Big Swinging Dick?
Sounds about right.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh
Too much Weissbier and vuvuzela. Thanks.
by James Kannengieser on Jun 27, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
looks like you fixed it
And... It's outta here!!!
by SuperSantana on Jun 27, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Anything brewed in Bavaria is just so good
Travis Hafner is made of gold
by Super Mario on Jun 27, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Must nazi jokes be mentioned every time I bring up Germany?
It’s a great place, no nazis.
Travis Hafner is made of gold
by Super Mario on Jun 27, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah!
Only joking, I love going to Germany and that was nothing more than a punning reference to the Beerhall Putsch. Such jokes are, however, only possible thanks to prior existence of nazis. Even though there are none now. Well, not many, and they’re hardly limited to Germany.
Yeah I'm a bit touchy every time I tell people I was in Germany
they follow it with a nazi reference or scary person reference.
Travis Hafner is made of gold
by Super Mario on Jun 27, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No
That wasn’t just a “see Germany, say Nazi” reflex. I’m a historian by trade, I wouldn’t do that. It was my fondness for bad puns that made my “see Bavaria and brewing and bad things” reflex kick in, re: Beerhall Putsch.
Haha ok fair enough, don't mean to take down a lovely bad pun from anyone of course
Travis Hafner is made of gold
by Super Mario on Jun 27, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a German roommate for 2 years...
From Munich. He didn’t react well to Nazi jokes. Then again I have no family left so, ya know, I kinda win the argument.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
My German friends
inevitably bring up the war and Nazi jokes before anybody else has a chance to. A bit of a sad indictment of their low expectations of British and American humour unfortunately!
All I will ever think of this beer is...
" with plenty of thick creamy white head"
Gross.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Unintentionally sexual beer review
The maturity level of this post is an all-time low.
by James Kannengieser on Jun 28, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I know.
Sorry for that, but it had to be done. I spent 12 hours today reviewing civil procedure and evidence law, where you focus on every word. Now I feel like I’m free, kinda.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
dominating win
niese didn’t seem sharp early (28 pitches after 1) but settled in and got out of trouble with a little help from his homegrown friends on D. thank goodness the braintrust knows not to trade this kid
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
According to Burkhardt,
Mejia left today’s game with shoulder stiffness.
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
i just looked at that boxscore, he faced two batters in the second - a walk and a hit - before coming out
but they had cohoon pitch again today after pitching yesterday…wtf is wrong with this team??
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
strike the cohoon
milb.com error
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
gee, i wonder how we could have avoided making him sore
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
beltran not in the lineup for st. lucie tonight...
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
because 9 st. lucie at bats is enough?
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
You act as if the mets
Asked for my permission. How the heck am I supposed to do anything about it
by Bruce Wayne on Jun 27, 2010 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And I was just throwing out possible theories. He is from puerto Rico
by Bruce Wayne on Jun 27, 2010 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i wasnt attacking you at all kind sir
just the smartness of the move
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
Just saw on espnny
That Jerry said no Beltran in pr so who knows Agreed that there really should be no rushing him along to knock off the rust at the big league level
by Bruce Wayne on Jun 27, 2010 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or maybe just a day off
after playing 3 in a row…although you’d think they’d at least give him ABs as DH.
by dontstopbelieving on Jun 27, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew someone would say that
I would welcome a visit from His Awesomeness, The Carlos of Beltran.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 28, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The plot thickens
Valentine out of running as Marlins manager – according to Heyman, the same guy who said it was a “done deal” Take it with a grain of salt.
Wow, Heynman's wrong about something?
No way.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
Damn, sounds like I missed a good one
oh well, nice to see us take 4 of 6 from the best of the AL Central
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Jun 27, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions
Okay, I'll explain it again
Trying to explain the concept of a rally-killing home run to you guys is like trying to staple Jell-O to the wall, but here goes again:
When you’re down by, say, three runs, and you hit a two-run homer, it can diffuse a rally. The pitcher didn’t relinquish the lead, and now the bases are cleared and the crowd isn’t nearly as loud because the damage was done. The pitcher gets a clean slate, a chance to exhale and make his pitches. A home run can kill a rally when it doesn’t tie the game or put you ahead because you sort of have to begin a new rally from scratch – put more guys on and get more big hits.
In these situations it can be preferable for the hitter to just get a RBI double or something, that way there are still guys on base, trying to draw balks from the pitcher, the crowd feeds off it, and the pitcher can’t feel like it’s a brand new slate because it isn’t.
by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jun 27, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And here's the other thing
Bash Francoeur all you want, but here’s one thing you can’t deny: he plays the game of baseball at the professional level and you don’t. This might blow you away, but maybe he knows what the hell he’s talking about more than you guys. He has experience down on the field from years of playing in Major League Baseball. When you do something for a long time, you develop something called ‘wisdom.’ Hate on him as a player all you want, but he is far more qualified to speak out on these issues than any of you are.
by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jun 27, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely. He's seen a lot of scoreboards
so he knows what stats are important.
by EricAColucci on Jun 27, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
just because he's better than us at baseball
doesn’t mean he’s good at baseball
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 27, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
well it doesn't mean he's major league starter good
gmjr is probably better than me at baseball.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
The fact that he still manages to find suckers to sign him to minor league deals
while being paid by two teams to stay away shows that he’s better than anyone here at Baseball.
lol that's a good point
it’s kind of hilarious
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
huh?
I didn’t catch that, my brain is jell-o. I vote we all just avoid the troll.
ain't had enough...
Troll?
lol yeah I guess I’m a ‘troll’ just because I have the sheer audacity to defend Jeff Francoeur, the pariah of Amazin’ Avenue. This is a huge double standard. If David Wright said the same thing, you guys would be either agree, or at worst, be like “Well I don’t 100% agree with the idea, but he would know better than I would.”
by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jun 27, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not trolling under any definition
Maybe not the best argument, but not trolling.
I love francoeur more than should be allowed, but even I think that’s a stupid statement.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
Are people missing the not so subtle genius of Geddy?
Pretty sure it was Francouer who claimed once that home runs are rally killers.
yeah he did thats where the argument started
in a thread a week ago when someone elsebrought it up and he tried to argue that Frenchy was right.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
i think he just was angry and noticed it in someones sig
and went off about it citing YES broadcasting and others as sources
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
He just saw adamlawson and felt bad...
He doesn’t have the gift, but he makes up for it by doing his homework.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
he hustles
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
homework is just a form of paperwork
so its false hustle really
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
if david wright said that
we would make fun of him for it and love him for his baseball skillz
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
.
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
Cue the "That's Racist" picture.
Really, Astro. You should know better than that.
On a side note
I always think it’s curious that in the U.K., Asian would mean from South Asia (i.e. India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh) and not East or SouthEast Asia, whereas it’s the other way around in the U.S. Does it reflect the relative size of the immigrant communities in their formative years?
what do you guys say to refer to east/south east asians?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Good question
In the old days people would say oriental, but that’s, er, a bit of a no no.
We don’t really have a large population of non-Chinese East Asians, and there isn’t really a catch all term so people will say “he’s Chinese or something” or “she’s Chinese or Japanese” if they are unsure. Honestly I think most British people wouldn’t know the difference. In the major cities there are sizeable Chinatowns (esp. Manchester and London) but there’s not really an umbrella East/SE Asian immigrant community so the need for a name for the whole group doesn’t really ever come up. Apart from pejoratively from racists, in which case they don’t care about calling everyone Chinese or, in their own company (the racists I mean), slurs.
i have never met anyone who takes offense to this
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
That's what I'm talking about.
anything that can remotely be viewed as “racist” should not be put up for risk of someone overreacting.
Or people could just not overreact to things that aren't racist.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 27, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
True. But you can't please everyone, man.
Anyone out there could come across this board and find that pic offensive even if the rest of us see no problem with it. This is the internet. It’s not limited to just the U.S. but the entire world(thus the name World Wide Web) and there would be people who would take issue.
But regardless, I could care less. Just wanted to warn astro of the risk.
its the internet (world)
offensive shit is everywhere, get over it
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
should we stop calling Francouer "Frenchy"?
French people might think it’s racist.
2009 Did Not Happen
If nothing else:
It’s probably offensive by association.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jun 28, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
would that be an error
based on small sample size?
apparently
some asian friends even took it as a compliment because they said it meant they were assumed to be smart. but w.e next time ill make my facepalm race friendly
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
i dont know what games you been to, but this
the crowd isn’t nearly as loud
has never ever been true
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
nope, only francoeur's
And... It's outta here!!!
by SuperSantana on Jun 27, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
that kills the rally before it even starts
they’re the worst kind besides grand slams
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep the recycled EbaumsWorld pics and sarcastic one-liners coming, kids
It really shows me how wrong I am
and you seem so open to rational, evidence-based discussion!
Seriously, as soon as you provide some evidence that “starting a new rally from scratch” is a real thing that is in some way harder to do than continuing an existing one — indeed, if you provide any empirical evidence at all that “rallies” are real things that exist separately from bunches of hits — we can have a discussion. Until then you’re just telling us we should prefer recycled old ballplayers’ cliches to independent rational analysis.
I got the "new rally from scratch" line
from Tim McCarver, who also has baseball experience. Empirical shmempirical.
by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jun 27, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
see your problem here, yet again
is your sources
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
He's got Tim McCarver on his side, guys
Time for us to admit defeat.
by EricAColucci on Jun 27, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
so it's argument from authority all the way, then?
And the authority is Tim motherfucking McCarver? Pardon me if that’s not my idea of an ironclad argument.
So your stance is we should take as gospel anything ever said by a major league baseball player?
I just want to get that straight.
by James Kannengieser on Jun 27, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
what was the absurdly low percentage of mlb players that actually graduate from college?
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
i might rec that just for finding a word that rhymes with empirical
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
He's good and qualified enough for the Fox Sports booth,
but not you guys?
by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jun 27, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i am pretty sure we ALL prefer the mute button to him
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
Does that actually seem surprising?
Here is one thing I have never been able to understand about the argument from authority. You really think we should trust FOX Sports’s judgment over our own?
This kind of argument would only make sense in some meritocratic utopia fantasy world, where the people who get prominent jobs are always the most competent, and the most competent people always find their way to very prominent jobs. But I sure as hell don’t live anywhere near that world. Given that this same McCarver-knows-more-than-you argument would force us to respect, e.g., Glenn Beck as a political analyst, I don’t see how it passes the laugh test for anyone.
by anonymous on Jun 27, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
In other news...
The Mets just promoted Todd Palin from AA Moosejaw.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what it means to "go off Geddy Lee,"
but he’s an utterly fantastic bassist/singer and a big reason why Rush is the best band ever!
by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jun 27, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't take your opinion on bassists/singers seriously
Unless you are also a professional bassist/singer.
by James Kannengieser on Jun 27, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
no its ok, i heard it on a gmc centerstage broadcast
so it must be correct
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
Yeah...
I was never on Geddy Lee. I’ll take Claudio Sanchez in the “prog rock singers with disturbingly high voices” derby every day of the week.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 27, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to like Rush before this little thread
now I’m not so sure. His points all echo with the sounds of failure…..ohhhhh Failure!
RUSH!
Gotta love Canadian stoner rock.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
no he was being moronic
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Was the McCarver reference a joke?
Or sarcasm? it has to be one or the other. Next up, Joe Morgan.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
So I guess this means that Omar will re-sign DentCoeur for 3 years 12 mil now, huh?
God help us all.
its 3 years 36 mil
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
hes making 5 million already this year
why would he take less?
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
Because we say so?
I am not concerned about Frenchy accepting a contract. I’m concerned about the AMOUNT/YEARS offered/given by Omar. It’s in Omar I do NOT Trust.
well he is still in arb years
so he would either likely get a raise from that or expect a bigger per year amount to sign a contract
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
Just how does Arbitration work?
If a person loses Arbitration, he has to accept the amount offered by the Team?
i dont remember anyone not making more
and the powers that be might look at those rbiz
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
Francouer would get more in arb.
The Mets paid him $5m. His numbers look to be at least as good this year, and arb typically goes 40%-1st year arb, 60%-2nd year arb, 80%-3rd year arb, of what similar players would get as free agents
dont need to tell me that
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
just saying that more or less answers your question
and can be directed at ds3 statement that he would make less. i said originally he would be in line for a raise. whos paying attention?
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
I sure as hell not.
But I really don’t care at this time. I’ll care once I hear he goes to arbitration. Until then, I’ll just focus on the team and what it’s doing right now, with or without Frenchy’s contributions.
That's a bit excessive,
but Francoeur needs to be in the Mets’ long-term plans. He is starting to come into his own as a ballplayer. It’s been beautiful to watch.
by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jun 27, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the stereotypical "STREAKY" Player, Geddy.
In fact, I think he wrote the book on “Streaky”.
He’s like a half-empty ballpoint Pen. You keep on shaking it and trying to write on paper and nothing comes out; then hours later you try again and it starts working.
and then a day later, IT STOPS WORKING!
by BrockRocks on Jun 27, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is the greatest analogy ever
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Thank you.
In fact, from now on, I’m going to refer to any Pen that refuses to write for me as PenCoeur.
Ralph Kiner called him the streakiest player he'd ever seen
and he’s an expert on baseball AND streaky hitters. Guess it’s indisputable
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 27, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's a former player
so he must be right.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 27, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And you aren't a former player.
so you must be right.
Right? Come on, man. Ralph is not some clueless nimrod like Heyman. Ralph knows(and has forgotten, sadly) more baseball than anyone in this blog. I’d dare say he knows more baseball than Sam Page and Eric Simon. * gasp *
heh.
right, so we'll ask Ralph how to tuck our hands when we swing.
The existence of “streakiness” has been falsified. Using statistics. A subject in which Ralph Kiner is not an expert. How is this complicated?
Also
Ralph thinks that more than 25 cents for a soda is unconstitutional, and why don’t cars have fins anymore.
Paying 5 bucks plus tax for a 12-pack of soda
That’s not unconstitutional. That’s Highway Robbery.
Oh so because we have numbers to scrunch all over the place
then that makes us more of a baseball “expert” than Ralph who actually…you know…Played the game, Called the game, and Analyzed(along with Good ol’ Murph) the game his entire life??
Sorry but I take his word over a bunch of numbers any day of the week.
I don't understand how playing baseball
makes you an expert on streakiness. He’s an expert on how to play the game, not on whether something is real or statistical noise.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
My point is that while Statistics tell you alot(I admit that),
I’m saying not to discount Ralph’s viewpoints on what “streaky” is. That’s all I’m saying.
Geez. This blog is like “How dare you say we are wrong? Take THAT and THAT and THAT!” haha!
Then I guess I’d better start “conforming” and begin agreeing with anonymous, I suppose.
Can't there be more than one kind of baseball expert?
I’m not trying to disparage Kiner at all. The man is a fount of knowledge, stories, memories, and insight about the game — even now, as old as Moses, he can look at the game and see things that I don’t see and tell me about them on the air. But the expertise I want from him is the stuff that players know about — the mechanics of swinging the bat, the little details of defensive positioning, the daily life of the game. On that last TV broadcast he was great talking about Bay’s messed-up swing mechanics.
That’s just not the same stuff that stats and analysis are better for, like whether “streaky” hitting is predictable or just random noise — a question on which I respect Kiner’s opinion no more than any other basically innumerate person’s.
by anonymous on Jun 27, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the thing I like about Ralph is
he does teach me something about the history of the game every time. You have to sort of just forget his certain hiccups and appreciate the little historic gems he throws out about Satchel Paige and Branch Rickey, etc. Today he talked about Dick Stuart, who had over 60 HRs in a minor league season. That was kind of cool to learn and I looked it up on baseball reference, and got be wondering about what other monster years have been put up in the minors. That’s why Ralph can be interesting imo.
I think part of the disconnect on "streaky" hitting
may also have to do with the fact that many (myself included) think of it in much more ethereal terms. Sure, being “streaky” is most likely mathematical and/or statistical nonsense. But if any layperson were to have identify a hitter on the Mets as totally locked in one day and utterly lost the next, I think you’d end up with Francoeur fairly consistently. Not because of the numbers, but because of the visual performance we are presented with.
i don't know
i don’t think i’ve ever seen frenchy totally locked in
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
What about his Smile?
His face always seems to be “locked in” with that Goofy Smile of his no matter if the Camera is on or off him.
Welcome to Teethcoeur Avenue
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
"And you aren't a former player. so you must be right."
This made no sense. I’m not mocking Kiner, I’m mocking GeddyLeeIsADouche or whatever his name is. Chill out.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 28, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i think some people missed the point in this exchange
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
we already have 3 outfielders for next year thanks
bay, beltran and pagan
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
let's see Beltran come back first
before we count on him to be our starting CF in 2011.
Jesus then
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Jesus Feliciano?
You’re telling me that you’d rather have a 31 year old career minor leaguer than Francour? You can’t at least admit that Frenchy is better than Jesus Feliciano?
Jesus Fernando Martinez
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Actually, YES. I'd rather have a 31-year old career minor leaguer...
…that actually DOES SOMETHING POSITIVE for this team instead of just swinging at the first pitch he sees every f’n time he’s up to bat AND believing that a “Walk” is what you do when you go back to the dugout after your at-bat is finished.
So YES. Give me that “Career Minor Leaguer” over that Smiley-faced Doofus with his Below-Average Replacement-azz anyday of the week.
I really don't know which one of them is better.
It would be interesting to compare Feliciano’s MLE line to Francoeur’s career numbers, which I haven’t done. I think they’re pretty similar players to each other, actually — both low-OBP, batting-average-dependent guys. Feliciano is probably a better defender, given that he has the range to at least fake CF.
You probably don't want Feliciano's MLEs for anything below AAA,
and his MLE AAA OPS has only been over 700 once, and that was this year in a lousy 192 PAs at Buffalo.
He’s not a good hitter. He’d have to be one of the best fielders in the majors to be an average CFer what with his bat.
yeah and by most reports
he just barely average.
Chris Carter on the other hand has a legitimate argument vs Frenchy.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Rather have K-MART than Frenchy.
At least they’d give you your money’s worth. Frenchy would just take your money.
no argument here
but his body might have something to say about that
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
I can't tell whether you're being incredibly sarcastic or if you're just flat out dumb
Because there is no way Francoeur should be in our long term plans
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
im not going to call someone dumb for baseball knowledge
but i know he isnt being sarcastic
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
This dude has to be messing with us.
He is starting to come into his own as a ballplayer. It’s been beautiful to watch.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
I'm not "messing" with shit.
I genuinely like Jeff Francoeur and his production has been fine. David Wright is streaky as well, he doesn’t catch half the crap Frenchy gets.
by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jun 27, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Please do not compare Francoeur with Wright.
Francoeur is nowhere near the ballplayer Wright is.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
but he kills rallys too often
averaging 27 rally kills per 162
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
I have no idea how anyone can defend anything Frenchy does
And I was one who defended the guy constantly(along with tmu) in the past.
He’s a STREAKY PLAYER. He’s best suited(if he remains on this team) as a Platoon guy in RF.
All players are streaky
The difference is when Francoeur doesn’t hit for 15 games or so, he doesn’t o anything because he can’t draw a walk. When Wright struggles, at least he gets on base with some regularity.
by Evan_S on Jun 27, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Which WFAN host's judgment do you trust?
Because all of them unanimously say that when a team is winning, it’s dangerous to mess with the chemistry.
by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jun 27, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you mean like mike fransesca and the bunch?
im going to go with 0 of them
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
Again, this guy is totally messing with us.
Which WFAN host’s judgment do you trust?
There is no correct answer to this question. It is akin to the question “How often do you beat your children?”
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
.
It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy
by CTRefJay on Jun 27, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This convinces me that this is a level.
Well played, troll.
by JohnPeterson on Jun 27, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Not just a troll
I think it’s an AA regular having a laugh. There’s too many references for an outsider to come up with so fast…
maybe he's a troll
who’s studied us?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Didn't this used to be what "trolling" meant?
Back in the dark days of early-90s Usenet, I think this was closer to the specific meaning of “troll” — making a considered effort to get things as riled up as possible by pushing people’s buttons, leading to the most replies from the least initial effort. I mean, it was still a pretty malevolent activity, but there was at least a certain sense of style about it — it was almost elegant when done minimally, and it was almost bad form when the troll stuck around and kept trying again and again.
Nowadays (yes, when all these kids won’t get off my lawn) it seems like “troll” applies to a lot more different kinds of bad-faith, attention-whoring, individual-vs-community behavior.
yeah thats what trolling still is on most boards I would think
I really haven’t seen people refer to general idiots as trolls on boards other than this, though I really don’t frequent many boards anymore.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
i really think this guy is being honest and not a troll
adamlawson is the only troll i have come across on this board, albeit in my few months coming here regularly
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
Usenet.
Oh usenet. But here’s the real question, Dalnet or Efnet?
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the sense in which I was using the term.
I don’t quite understand the other definition— bad, unwelcome commenter? meh
by JohnPeterson on Jun 28, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Sam Page?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
he does love him some frenchy doesn't he?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Sam Page would never stoop that low.
Besides, what would he need with another “account”?
Rec'd
Ironically
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jun 27, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
But his production level is a ton higher
Francouer is measurably worse than most outfielders in baseball
The horror, the horror...
Francoeur needs to be in the Mets’ long-term plans.
by EricAColucci on Jun 27, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
And I just saw that report by Heyman being talked about on MLB Network regarding Bobby V.
I hope that it’s true ’cause not only would it reduce the shot of the Marlins EVER being a threat to us but it re-opens the door for Jerry to be given the boot and Bobby to be brought back!
Why would having Bobby V make them so much better?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Because he's not Jerry Manuel.
Not necessarily that he would make the team better(although he can make the most out of the talent he has on a team) but only ‘cause I’m sick and tired of Jerry. That’s all.
ya. Me Thinks that was what he was referring to here.
But because there is no “edit” feature here, I could not correct my “Faux Pas”(sp?).
Manuel isn't going anywhere.
The team is 11 games over .500 a game out of first place. They’re not firing him unless he commits a felony. And even then, who knows…
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
Keith is the man.
“Hitters today are more spread open with their legs.” — Keith Hernandez
dude. This guy is just too much. Wonder what new Dickey jokes are in the offering tomorrow?
Keith being Keith...
The man has produced more testosterone in a day than most of us will produce in a lifetime. You ever hear him talk about his dad? A lot of what he does makes sense in that context.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You should save the picture for a game we lose.
Wright had a nice game, save for that rally he killed.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
Eric is a big Bronson Pinchot fan
He insisted on “win”.
by James Kannengieser on Jun 27, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I've just noticed how unintentionally sexual
the name Kannengieser is.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jun 27, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the use on the cannon
of the metric system
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Jun 28, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
James, I love this site and thank you for your contributions..
But because of you I now have the Dance of Joy in my head. And for this I hate you so much. So so much.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Just want to say it's been fun watching Wright and Reyes this month
they’ve been at the top of their games offensively and defensively. It makes tuning in to watch this team an absolute pleasure. I don’t remember a month where both of them were this hot. It would be interesting to check their career monthly splits to see if they’ve ever combined for this kind of OPS. Wright is at 1.067 and Reyes at .972 for June with just 3 games left (not sure if today’s stats count on that or not). Sure Reyes went hitless today but he hit 3 balls pretty hard. At 27 each they should be reaching their peaks, and maybe the rest of this season will show that they are. If they keep playing like this, and the pitching keeps up, I don’t see how this team doesn’t win a wild card or the division. (knock on wood).
this
glad you are positive too
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
Ahem, clears my throat...
TRAYDE EVERYONE.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
only if its for eckstein
that guy could win the ws by himself, everyone else just slows him down
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
This.
He could pitch and catch at the same time. And play all positions because every batter would strike out. And bat himself in from first if for no other reason than his incredible hustle skills would allow him to go in motion, take the pitch at the plate, and get back to first in time to run the bases.
by MookieTheCat on Jun 28, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
that twinkietown thread is pretty funny, they had like a haiku contest, and this always is nice to read
Reyes is kind of annoying.
by fischean on Jun 27, 2010 11:14 AM PDT reply actions
and Wright
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Jun 27, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor
It's always good when the Mets annoy people
Because it means they’re winning usually.
unless those people are us
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw some of that Twin thread
and they were ragging on the “old dude” in the booth who “sounded drunk.” How do you not know who Ralph Kiner is and that he is a baseball legend? Disappointing to see that kind of ignorance from baseball fans.
Seriously?
I expected better from Twins fans. I don’t know why, but for some reason I did.
by Thomas Wachtel on Jun 28, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought the same thing initially
I mean from a Yankees, Sox, or Phils fan, maybe… but the Twins fans seem like they actually follow the game. Guess we cant judge from SSS though.
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jun 28, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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