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If Michael Barrett doesn't get us to the World Series, I don't know what will. For those that don't remember, he was above average for 3 seasons (2004-2006) putting up 2.6, 3.1, and 2.7 WAR seasons.

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that guy is awful

i guess we need catchers in the minors though.

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 29, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Honestly

If Thole is the centerpiece of a Lee trade, that would be cause for celebration.

by dontstopbelieving on Jun 29, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah but that's not likely.

Most likely, he’ll be the #2 guy in the deal; something like FMart, Thole, Familia

by Dan Lewis on Jun 29, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sound like he's more willing to trade Fernando than Mejia

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by Syler on Jun 29, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that were the deal

I’d have to think long and hard about it. Familia to me is too far off to be worth any mroe than one of the compensatory draft picks we’d get if Lee walks. Thole is a solid catching prospect, but certainly no future Piazza. FMart is, of course, the great unknown, on one hand the guy with the most upside but a guy who’s a big question mark.

by dontstopbelieving on Jun 29, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

the problem with trading thole

is there’s literally no other catching options, other than resigning the recently very cooled off Barajas, and even then he’ll need a really really good back up, Blanco’s pretty likely to retire, for his to get above average production from the position.

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by Gina on Jun 29, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

I think Thole’s going to hit but the defense scares me a bit. I don’t love Barajas/Blanco as much as the MSM and Metsblog readers do but the fact is that they’ve played well offensively (to their expected level) and especially defensively and I think Thole may be too big of a downgrade on the defensive side that his limited bat won’t pick up the slack for. I like Thole and would like to see him become this team’s catcher of the future but if he’s is what’s holding up a deal for Lee, I think I’d have to pull the trigger and just pray that a new long term option a catcher presents itself either in the minors, free agency or through a trade.

Now if the Mets had taken Yasmani Grandal in the draft, that would’ve made this much easier.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 29, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re. Thole

While he might be too big a downgrade right now because of his defense, next season or in 2012 when Barajas and Blanco are even older, and Thole has had more time to refine his defense, that won’t still be the case.

by JoshNY on Jun 29, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope barajas is gone by next year

unless, as gina suggests, blanco retires. then he can be backup to thole

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 29, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

cora for mauer

problem solved

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 29, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a big bet for Omar

If the Mets trade Thole and FMart and fail to make the playoffs, I can’t imagine Omar stays as GM. And he has to fear the same.

by Dan Lewis on Jun 29, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the same time

if he doesn’t make the trade and fails to make the playoffs, then what? I would think the only way Omar stays is if this team makes the playoffs.

I’m okay with Omar getting canned…it’s time for a smart GM to take over.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 29, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or should've said

I would “hope” the only way Omar stays is if this team make the playoffs.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 29, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would too

I like all three prospects but they each have some major flaws (Fernando is injuries/plate discipline, Thole is defense/lack of power and Familia is lack of control) and if you could turn that into a stud big league starter then I think you have to make that move, especially since you don’t give up any of the really important players (Niese, Pagan, Mejia etc).

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 29, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what that means

We aren’t picking up Carlos Zambrano if he’s dumped.

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by Preach19 on Jun 29, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure this signing means we won't be picking up AJ Pierzynski either

Not that the Chi Sox would deal him, but figured i’d point it out.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 29, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm morally certain we won't trade for a starter

if it means adding remotely significant salary for 2011 and beyond. No Oswalt, no Zambrano…

by Jack Str on Jun 30, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

no zambrano for sure, you would hope they look at haren

morally certain?

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 30, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is more for minor league depth

But theres always the possibility Thole is getting traded.

by VinnyG917 on Jun 29, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

it would seem to have little correlation with thole

we aren’t going to carry another right handed catcher on the bigs even if we trade thole. like you said, minor league depth

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 29, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The New York Metspos!

It’s Omar’s destiny!

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 29, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

the scary thing

people on metsblog loving this and packing thole’s bags…

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 29, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

This just screams Thole being traded

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Jun 29, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

it could also scream

that we have literally no catching depth, other than the thunder god who was so bad he was demoted.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jun 29, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

nerp

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jun 29, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like he's a free agent now.

He was claimed by Washington at the end of ST but i guess he didn’t make the cut.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 29, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wikipedia says he was released by the Mets in May

and is playing for the NJ Jackals of the Can-Am League.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 29, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he's good enough for the Jackals

Although I couldn’t find him on the roster, Argenis Reyes is batting .272 for them.

by Evan_S on Jun 29, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did their GM used to work for the Mets?

May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jun 29, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love me some Jackals

Play in my hometown.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jun 29, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we're forgetting about the real issue here.

What does this mean for the future of Omir Santos and his kickass design skills?

by dontstopbelieving on Jun 29, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I would say thunder god could be involved in a deal instead of Thole

but that would probably only happen if Dayton Moore was the Mariners GM.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jun 29, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

why did santos play for the braves?

stats, they are seriously never in Francoeur's favor

by astromets on Jun 29, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

But Dayton Moore’s brain played for…something where I say he’s not a good GM.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jun 29, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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