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The Mets Are Swinging At Lots Of Pitches Outside The Strike Zone

My perception of the Mets' batters is that they are swinging at more pitches out of the strike zone than in past years. The numbers back up my amateur scouting eyes, as they have a 30.3% O-Swing %, good for 2nd worst in the league behind the Giants. (O-Swing % is the percentage of pitches a batter swings at outside the strike zone. It correlates strongly with walk rate and is a reliable measure of plate discipline. A lower O-Swing % is preferable for batters, obviously.) This is this highest rate for the Mets during the Omar Minaya era. At first, I thought Jeff Francoeur was mainly culpable for the increase but a look at all Mets' regulars shows that he is not alone. Here are the 2010, career and 2009 O-Swing %'s for Mets' batters, minimum 50 plate appearances:

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For anyone who doesn't want to peruse the numbers, here is a summary: every Mets batter has a worse O-Swing % in 2010 as compared to his career and 2009. Some of the differences are more pronounced than others but this is pretty incredible. What is the cause? A new strategy created by Howard Johnson? Francoeur rubbing off on everyone? FanGraphs pitchF/X BIS data screwed up?

I'm not sure at what point O-Swing % becomes reliable, if it does at all. It is not included on the list of stats at the Saber Library. The Mets' walk rate is about average at 9.1%, which is actually better than it was during some of the Omar years. So the poor peripheral isn't yet manifesting itself in a poor walk rate. I'm filing this under the "wait-and-see" category. It's something to monitor as the season progresses. Some are partial to the hacktastic stylings of guys like Francoeur and Pablo Sandoval, but I derive enjoyment from watching a batter lay off pitches out of the strike zone, followed by smacking the stuffing out of an offering in the zone. Make the hacking stop.

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NOT FRENCHY'S FAULT!!

It’s not on the Scoreboard, after all.

heh.

by BrockRocks on Jun 7, 2010 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

i often wondered about that

if OBP was on the scoreboard, would Frenchy start working to his improve his?

by astromets on Jun 7, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

no

because it was on atlanta’s scoreboard when he made the statement

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 7, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

must be something in the water

even Castillo is increased!

Considering we are still walking at a decent pace, another 7 and we would be 5th in NL, how many pitches are guys throwing out of the zone to us? sheesh

by astromets on Jun 7, 2010 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah we're number dead last in pitches in the zone

but I don’t know if that’s a product of pitches not giving them anything to hit cause they swing like mad men.

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 7, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

whats really weird is normally patient hitters like castillo and bay

i mean when luis castillo is free swinging something is amiss.

And although it might not affect walk rates couldn’t it lead to more in play outs from swinging at bad pitches?

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 7, 2010 12:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Weird

Maybe they’re hoping to stay on Joe West’s good side.

by EricAColucci on Jun 7, 2010 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

"Love these Mets!

I haven’t missed a dinner reservation calling them yet!"

Pitching coach Dan Warthen said, "He literally has a rubber arm," before he agreed figuratively was the appropriate adverb.

by Prince on Jun 7, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

That seems a little too consistent

I’m inclined to think that it’s some sort of PitchFX anomaly.

by psiogen on Jun 7, 2010 1:01 AM EDT reply actions  

FanGraphs doesn't use Pitch f/x for O-Swing

They use the data input by the BIS video scouts. Secondly, league wide O-Swing is up 2.8% from last year. It’s possible that batters have suddenly become way less patient, but that’s unlikely given that the league average O-Swing remained static from 2007-2009. I’m betting that FanGraphs or BIS changed the way they have calculated O-Swing, in which case every player in baseball’s O-Swing’s will be inflated. O-Swing also experienced massive shifts from 2002 to 2007 (in 04, the average O-Swing was 16.6%), so comparing career values will be misleading as well.

Based on your table, a lot of the differences are due to the aforementioned reason, although some are real. Francouer wtf?

by vivaelpujols on Jun 7, 2010 6:04 AM EDT reply actions  

most of these increases are way bigger than 2.8% though

I wonder if Carl Everett believes Jamie Moyer exists.

by Gina on Jun 7, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Swing% stabilize at 50 PA

I would’ve thought O-Swing would stabilize around there as well

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Jun 7, 2010 6:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Could it be a Minaya stat

It could be the players that he goes after in trades and the drafts

by Sir Tmac on Jun 7, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

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