Braves Trade SS Yunel Escobar, LHP Jo-Jo Reyes To Blue Jays For SS Alex Gonzalez, Others
"The Blue Jays acquired shortstop Yunel Escobar and pitcher Jo-Jo Reyes from the Braves for shortstop Alex Gonzalez and minor leaguers Tim Collins and Tyler Pastornicky, according to a team press release. "
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I love Tim Collins
He’s probably just a LOOGY. But he is like 5’5" and can throw 95.
by Jeffrey Paternostro on Jul 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
They must like Tim Collins and Tyler Pastornicky
because replacing Escobar with Gonzalez seems like a complete downgrade at SS (even with Escobar having a bad start, and Gonzales having a strong start).
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 14, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions
but he has more RBI's!
"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur
by RangersandMets on Jul 14, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG
he can pitch too???!!! What a steal!
"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur
by RangersandMets on Jul 14, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
But,
can he bunt a runner over in the 6th inning?
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
That's the measure of true success.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 15, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It says so in Jerry's book....
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by snibbodmot on Jul 15, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very interesting
The Braves organization really soured on Escobar this year, seemingly more because of what they thought of his attitude and personality than any real baseball reasons. This does look like a really bad deal for them — Escobar for Gonzalez is a clear downgrade, Reyes for Collins is at best a wash, and Pastornicky doesn’t seem like a difference-maker.
Reyes for anyone with a functioning arm...
is a win for the Braves.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Umm...
Thank you Frank Wren!!!!
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by Steve Schreiber on Jul 14, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions
Very strange
Atlanta must have REALLY soured on Escobar. That’s the second very serviceable middle infielder they’ve shoved out the door lately after a not-very-long period of underperformance. Kelly Johnson made some sense, since they had Prado around, but this seems like a huge overreaction that’s probably going to weaken them over the next few years. I’ll take it.
I'm surprised by this
I know Escobar’s had attitude problems, but trading him for Alex Gonzalez?
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
If they're taking guys with low OBP but power
can we give them Frenchy back?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Frenchy's power is more of the Rasputin variety
by psiogen on Jul 14, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd as hard as i can rec something!!!!
I like Ike
TWSS
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by Steve Schreiber on Jul 14, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow that's terrifying
I love how his beard isn’t actually on his face but rather around and under it. And he has black and white eyes. I guess this is what Frenchy would’ve looked like had he kept hitting and didn’t shave.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jul 14, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
thankfully
he is the expert on knowing when to shave
"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur
by RangersandMets on Jul 14, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Goddamn, that's creepy!
I’m going to Rec this.
2010: Year of the Grission
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
It's like Face/Off
if Rasputin was Travolta and Frenchy is Cage… or is it the other way around.
by secret defense on Jul 14, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew you guys would be all over this
Braves’ front office does this to us Braves fans every now and again. They’ll look brilliant for stretches-Mike Minor, Eric Hinske, Troy Glaus, getting rid of Francoeur-and then they’ll do something that essentially adds age at shortstop while sacrificing 70 points of career OBP.
For their careers, Alex Gonzalez is 7% more likely to make an out than Yunel Escobar. Yeah, you’re welcome New York.
I wouldn't say trading Francoeur was a brilliant trade
the Mets got much more out of him then the Braves got out of Ryan Church.
Because
5.5 million for a PH is getting a lot out of a guy? I’d rather have the money than Frenchie
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 14, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the Braves could have gotten essentially the same effect by just cutting Frenchy
Still, that was a much smarter move for the Braves than this one.
There are certain segments of the fanbase
Who would have been extremely upset if the Braves had merely cut Francoeur. We got rid of him, got back a useful player when Frenchy had no value, and were able to sever ties with the whole thing at the end. They were going to have to DFA Francoeur at some point if they’d kept him, because Bobby Cox would start him every day he was on the roster.
did he really start everyday if healthy?
and what’s the word on this trade? i have been hearing the braves bitching about Escobar not hustling or whatever, but he is pretty damn good
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 14, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
There have been issues with his attitude
But I don’t know what to make of it. I doubt he’s got the worst attitude ever, and Bobby Cox has dealt with some real characters. We endured Deion Sanders and Kenny Lofton because they were helping us win, and there’s just no way Escobar is worse than that.
You’re right, Yunel is pretty damn good. DRS loves his defense every year, and this year more than most. Yunel has only two problems this year, one of which is that he’s 40 points below his career average BABIP. The other is that he’s not hitting for power which is more of an actual issue. I can’t find anything wrong with his swing, but there’s some evidence of issues with it because balls seem to have a different spin coming off this year and are driving into the ground more.
Regardless, we traded a young player with great defense and a very good career OBP who is under team control for an older player with a career .296 OBP and a couple of prospects. From what I’m hearing, Tyler Pastronicky is a “nothing special” shortstop prospect, and the other guy is a potential closer or LOOGY with a high K rate.
check up above
the pitcher is like 5’7. its pretty cool. The SS prospect sounds like Brett Gardner thus far, this season (which i believe is WAYYYYY over his head) as his top. Said line drive hitter at the top of the order, whatever the really means. Yeah, weird weird trade. Not saying I haven’t seen em on this end either
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 14, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess we need one of these every few years
Heck, I’d even gotten to the point where I wasn’t feeling as bad about the Teixeira trade anymore. All Texas has to show for it now is a closer and Andrus. Andrus is a damn good shortstop, but it seems much more fair now that Feliz is looking like he won’t end up as a starter and Salamacchia isn’t going to live up to the hype with the bat.
Then we make moves like this. Can’t win ’em all, I guess.
Is feliz staying in the pen for good?
Who was the fourth guy in that trade? ANd yeah, Salty has looked like a big disappointment so far, but when a team does a 4 for 1 deal getting nothing but prospects back, hitting big on 2 of them especially at SS and possibly SP is pretty awesome. I still remember Appier for Vaughn and Kazmir for Zambrano. I feel your pain brother
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 14, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t for sure about Feliz, but every day his arbitration clock is ticking and he’s spending time stretching out his arm to make the transition to starting. I think it’s likely he’s in the pen for good after two straight years at the top level.
The fourth prospect was Matt Harrison, kind of a throw-in righty prospect. He had just maximized his value by throwing a no-hitter in the minors earlier that season. He’s spent some time in the Rangers’ rotation and posted a 5.10 FIP over 32 starts.
The jury is still out on whether Feliz will join the rotation in the future as far as I know
but since the Rangers are actually capable of making a run at it this year, making him the closer wasn’t such a crazy, ridiculous move. Plus, with Nolan Ryan as team President, I’m fairly confident they’ll make the “right” decision when the time comes.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
not to mention
they have top tier starting pitching prospect literally coming out of their hind parts. They could ruin Feliz and still have Holland, Perez, and Hunter.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I’ve been pretty pleased with most other moves.
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 14, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but that's the thing
they get a bunch of smaller moves right. And then turn around and do something medium to big bone headed.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
fair enough
trading away a young, talented, pre arb SS for an aging beneficiary of a favorable HR/FB rate blows. It kind of ruined my day. But it hasn’t really made too big a dent in my confidence in the organization.
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 14, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
except
ryan church wasnt all that useful for you and frenchy played way above his head the remainder of last season for us
I like Ike
Again
i’d rather have the 5.5 million this year and maybe even had a chance at Harper in the draft. I don’t consider his help last year as really “helping” the org. Just fooling their dumbasses
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
no, but
who knows the effect. We could have ended up tanking it on purpose to clean house and get Harper, then not re-sign frenchue. His “help” last year ended up hurting in the long run.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 14, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
he wasn't that amazing last season, just solid
and he’s been essentially replacement-level this season. if he wasn’t here, we could have a much more productive carter/evans platoon or something (can evans play right?). not to mention, he’s going to help take some time away from pagan here and there from now on.
at first i thought you were talking about church, he is below replacement this year and wasnt good for the braves
as for frenchy, he wasnt amazing but played way over his head like i said – and hitting .311 with a .498 slugging is pretty solid. if we were getting that this year we would not be complaining about the guy
I like Ike
i don't think you were around
before the season started. There isn’t ONE person who thought he would repeat the 2nd half of last year. And when we heard about maybe an extension… we were pretty scared.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 14, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i have been anti frenchy for a long time, and talking a lot on AA since the offseason
i know people on here who recently were arguing on his side of the pagan/frenchy debate, before they realized that pagan was way too good. this is not news to me, nor did i expect frenchy to repeat his performances. that said, i was merely pointing out that he was good last year for us, though not good enough for us to be worse than the nationals or the other 6 teams who picked ahead of us without him except maybe arizona (whose record we were tied with).
I like Ike
If somebody on here
was arguing for Francouer over Pagan, they were most definitely not a regular. And i def didn’t mean you were pro-frenchy, i pretty much know your a stats slanted guy. I am just saying, woulda coulda shoulda in regards to that trade.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 14, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
you werent around then
there was a really really long thread, from some random applesauce or something, between a few people arguing for frenchy v those against
I like Ike
are you referring to
The Worst Applesauce Thread Ever? Because I am fairly sure that no one was actually arguing the pro-Francoeur side there, oddly enough.
Church wasn't good for the Braves?
He had 0.5 WAR in 144 PAs or about 2.1 WAR per 600 PA.
Francoeur had 0.8 WAR in 308 PA or 1.55 WAR/600 PA. Yes, Francoeur is probably better than the -5 UZR, but he hitting is also worse than the .350 wOBA. If you make the defense 0 (roughly the average of DRS and UZR), Francoeur was worth roughly 1.3 WAR. So while Francoeur was pretty good (a little above average), Church was by no means bad. This year, Francoeur has been a negative total value for the Mets considering his production and salary.
The trade shouldn't be analyzed as Church vs Francoeur
The Braves were clearly going to DFA Frenchy, the trade was a way to soften the blow. The Braves got the better end of it — Church isn’t a terrible everyday player and costing $5 million like Francoeur does.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the braves won
because they’re not paying either fo them 5.5 million.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
not to mention at the time
there had been no long-term studies about the effects of overexposure to Jerry during injury recovery. Now we’ve seen Church and Maine’s after results.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
FWIW,
At least you get flashes of brillance from your front office.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
not sure that was really brilliance
The Mets’ front office thought just as highly of those guys as everyone else at the time, and arguably only ended up with Santana because Minnesota bungled the negotiations and held out too long.
Taking advantage
of others incompetence can be considered brilliance no? We won WWII partially because Hitler invaded Moscow in the winter. Doesn’t diminish the accomplishment.
it wasn't really incompetence as much
as Santana vetoed the trade for the better MUCH better package, would have been to the rangers, and the red sox and yankees never really offered much either, and no one else could afford him.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
what was the rangers package?
considering his flyball tendencies, i think vetoing that trade was smart
I like Ike
I thought the Red Sox and Yankees
Offered one, and only one, of their young pitching studs; so either Bucholtz or Lester from the Sox, and the Yanks offered Hughes.
Or am I totally remembering that wrong? Bear in mind they might only have been rumors…
by keepcoolbutcare on Jul 14, 2010 11:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
From what I remember the Yankees never offered hughes
just like Kennedy and Cabrera. And the Red Sox offered either Buckholz or Ellsbury, as in Minny could only build a package with one or the other in it.
I can’t remember what was in the rangers package. I’ll see if I can find a link about it.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
The Twins eventually annoyed the Sox by waiting so long
that they refused to deal Buckholz anymore. Either that or they realized the Yanks weren’t serious and were just lowballing on purpose.
i read the red sox would only offer ellsbury if they could get more in return
arrogance
I like Ike
how is that arrogance?
in 08 Ellsbury was worth 3.9 WAR, Santana was worth like 4.7. Ellsbury was paid 400,000. Santana was paid 23 million.
I think the Red Sox had it right.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
asking for more back seems a bit much
yeah they got it right that year, then he had a less productive 09 (by WAR though his wOBA increased) and has been injured (i assume) a lot this year. i mean its the red sox, they can afford johan and you dont know he would have needed such a big contract from them.
i just feel, his value will/was never going to be as high as it was that offseason and at best he seems like he will be a carl crawford light. in 2008 they could have likely found another outfielder to give them a similar output, but having johan could have directly improved their chances in the playoffs and against a team like the rays, possibly even jettisoning them to first place. in a short playoff series, having one of the best pitchers certainly helps
I like Ike
Yeah, the Sox maybe should've sold high on Ellsbury
But the point is that his value then was high enough to justify their holding out for more.
i mean it is hard to argue with ginas point (or gina in general)
but i just think it is crazy to ask for more than a teams best pitcher, and one of the best in baseball (especially at the time) when you are offering a mostly unproven OF who is a leadoff hitter
I like Ike
talent-for-talent, this is obviously true
But this is where the last ten years’ GMs, especially in smart organizations like the Sox, have gotten way wiser than their predecessors: talent isn’t the only factor. Cost-controlled pree-free-agency players are worth way more than fairly-paid contracted ones.
worth more yes
but the goal every year is to win a championship and at some point you have to take the player most likely to net you a championship instead of just continuing to take the people who are the best deal
I like Ike
True
but the benefit of having (at the time) a young, super fast, defensively strong CF who just recorded a 3.9 WAR in the org. is pretty big, no? Sure Johan was in his prime, but if you have the CF under team control for multiple years, demanding a little more than an ace entering FA due to make big money isn’t crazy. (not to mention the Sox had almost all the bargaining chips).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
I'm not so sure about this, actually
For some teams in some situations, it probably makes sense to take a run at the postseason and then accept a few down years. But I think the Sox and Rays have given us enough reason to believe a cream-of-the-crop front office can go for both short-term and long-term success without making too many tradeoffs between the two.
I would say big market teams
have absolutely zero reasons to ever trade the future for runs. Small market teams have to do it because as their star players become more expensive they’re eventually going to have to move them and rebuild. Teams like us, the red sox and yankees who can afford them have no excuse for not retaining their stars so there’s no reason to ever have to rebuild. A team like Milwaukee is going to eventually have to part with Prince and Braun, likely in the midst of their primes. We won’t have to part with Wright and Reyes unless we drive them away.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Yeah
but Johan wasn’t going to make them anymore likely to win a championship. They could keep Ellsbury, and use the surplus 23 million to add WAY WAY more than what Johan would have added.
I mean we could have used that 23 million on Mark Texiera, or CC. Or we could have used it on matt holliday this year AND had money left over to spend. That’s probably the other place where they’ve gotten smarter they realize those huge contracts to aging pitchers is asking for trouble.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Yeah and Santana was just as less productive in 09
so…they still got it right.
And no they can’t afford Johan, if Johan continues to be a 2-3.5 WAR player we won’t even be able to afford that. It’s a major draw on resources to be paying 23 million for like 4 more years for that production.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Here's why I hate this froma Met standpoint:
Picture it…
It’s Sunday, September 18, 2010. The Mets enter their final game of the year with the Braves, trailing by 1 game.
Nursing a 4-2 lead in the 9th, with 2 out & 2 on, Francisco Rodriguez gives up a homer into the Mo Zone.
Take a wild guess who hits it?
Mets lose, 5-4 and go 6-6 in their final 12 games. The Braves also go .500 in their last 12 games.
Alex Gonzales win the division for the Braves!
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
Well
He could also throw away a ball leading to one of the largest meltdowns in the history of the post season. There is some precedent for that.
To be fair,
that was the other Alex Gonzalez
In my mind's eye...
… it’s the seventh, and it’s Nieve (pitching for the first time in 11 games).
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 14, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Mediocre Reliever with a Thousand Faces appears in one more Earthly manifestation...
Nieve…Ayala…Schoeneweis….Heilman…Mota…Looper…
Wow, what a dumb trade for Atlanta
The guy’s been terrible since his red hot April.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
this seems like the kelly johnson situation all over again
giving up on a young player, who’s pretty integral to your future, only a cold streak. This makes absolutely no sense. Isn’t Gonzales a career back up? unless those minor leaguers they got are legit prospects this is horrid.
Plus who is playing ss,3rd and 2nd for them next year?? Prado can’t play all three.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
he isnt a career backup
he is just a career bad offensive player with a decent glove. he also got off to a hot start and has been successively worse each month. he also cant hit lefties much, .246, although to be fair that is about what he does off of righties too
I like Ike
Thanks be to whatever God you worship...
… that Wren and management are in a win-now-for-Bobby kinda place. This helps keep Atlanta close to the pack, talent-wise, for coming seasons, despite Prado’s, Hanson’s and Heyward’s blossoming.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 14, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
you wish
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
"who is playing ss,3rd and 2nd for them next year?? "
RAWG DAWG of course
by secret defense on Jul 14, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
what rash trade does omar come up with in response?
bay+failcouer for westbrook?
I hate Philadelphia so much.
if they took bays contract then i am in
I like Ike
i keep reading yunel escobar traded for alex gonzales
and it keeps making me chuckle.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
There’s a lot of fair-weathered Atlanta fans. If Yunel was hitting .291/.368/.404 (his career average), everybody would love the guy.
People are complaining about all sorts of irrelevant things, like how he flips his bat when he gets a hit, or how he has highlights in his hair, or how he got frustrated when the official scorer gave him an error on a very tough ball 3 weeks ago.
If he’s going well, these are signs of his “enthusiasm, energy, and love for the game.” The truth is, too many fans look at the batting average number and base their opinions of a player on that, and find evidence to like or dislike a player from their initial assumption.
See one Reyes, Jose
If he’s going well, these are signs of his "enthusiasm, energy, and love for the game."
Save Jenrry Mejia!
From Talking Chop's comments on the trade
We are a contending team this year. So we need production now not 2 years down the road.
I like this trade a lot.
by dragonhawk26 on Jul 14, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply
I have nothing to add.
by yellomellojello on Jul 14, 2010 8:31 PM EDT reply actions
Kevin Burkhardt is dragonhawk26?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 14, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
that is his stance
not to mention do they not get the fact that Gonzales has been awful since the first month? And getting worse?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
People are making all sorts of arguments from the prospects making it a push to it being a trade of obp for slg which comes out a wash etc.
I think most people are just trying to be optimistic and support the franchise. I don’t think most would truly have accepted that offer.
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 14, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m doing my best to make a contrary opinion represent the fanbase ;)
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 14, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
TC regular here...
and I’ve never heard of dragonhawk26, so I probably wouldn’t use his opinion as representative. It’s actually pretty split over whether this trade was awful, neutral, or good. A lot of people don’t like it.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
It wasn't really about being representative of Braves fans,
more that it very closely mirrors a common meme on AA, centered on an idiotic quote by a team… reporter, I suppose. Shill would be more accurate.
by yellomellojello on Jul 15, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I find it funny that the sole reason most are defending this is because Bobby Cox hated Escobar
As if Cox truly has the best interests of the franchise in mind
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
First, I disagree that it's the sole reason...
…but even if it were, why do you doubt that Bobby Cox has the best interests of the franchise in mind?
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
because winning now and long-term future
don’t coincide?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Jul 15, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep
especially when Escobar gets in that Toronto lineup and starts mashing
As a Mets fan, I am in love with this trade.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jul 15, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
God knows what he did to piss everyone off, but he must have raised the ire of the entire team (beyond the constant mental errors).
Sucks that Yunel’s not the stud we all hoped he would turn into, but I am captivated by Collins. Skinny and 5’7" but can throw mid-90s.
Braves may or may not have bungled this one, but the pitching depth is becoming obscene,
I fed a fish to a pelican and Frisco bay and he tried to eat my cell phone he ran away
so the Braves finally managed to pawn off....
Jo-Jo Reyes. Hope he proves me wrong…but what I’ve seen out of Jo-Jo, blech.
its hilarious how Frank Wren tried to put Jo-Jo in every proposed trade since that team drafted him. Well done, Frank, well done. Someone was foolish enough to bite on Mr. Reyes.
Alex Gonzalez…whatever. better than Alex Cora, at least.
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