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Around SBN: Yankees Deny Rumors That Team Is For Sale

per fangraphs:
WAR- Frenchy is 104 out of 132 MLB OF with 100 min. PA
WAR- Frenchy is 39th out of 48 MLB RF with 100 min. PA

.wOBA- Frenchy is 98th out of 132 MLB OF with 100 min. PA
.wOBA- Frenchy is 39th out of 48 MLB RF with 100 min. PA.

#DFAFrancoeur

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IT'S THE DAILY NEWS!!!!!

I hope that answered your question.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Jul 15, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

also, i know contracts matter and all

but Bay is only making 8 mil this year and he is doing way more than frenchy, yet he got a C+ to frenchys B

I like Ike

by astromets on Jul 15, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

bay is making 8.625 mil to frenchy's 5 mil

bay is worth 1.4 WAR (FG) and has a .349 wOBA, and .355 OBP
frenchy is worth 0.1 WAR and has a .300 wOBA, and .302 OBP

I like Ike

by astromets on Jul 15, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

o i see

it was 8 mil signing bonus split up among 4 years, so he is really making 6.5 mil this year and will make 16 the next 3

http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2010/01/jason_bays_contract_with_ny_me.htmlhttp://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2010/01/jason_bays_contract_with_ny_me.html

I like Ike

by astromets on Jul 15, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wasn't actually split up

he’s making all of it this year. It’s just prorated for accounting.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 15, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he is.

I don’t want him on the team because I know he’ll get 200+ PA through the end of the year and it will kill us.

by twon8 on Jul 15, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's some grading curve

Is that like an Ivy League, graduate school B where you pretty much have to shoot the professor’s dog to get a grade any lower?

by dcmetsfan on Jul 15, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure a B in many graduate programs already means "drop out now"

Not like it’s really consistent, but a lot of grading at the graduate level is essentially pass-fail, where A means “pass” and B sends a strong message that there’s something wrong.

A Francoeur-like level of performance should still probably fail, though.

by anonymous on Jul 15, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got a B once in grad school

I got an A in everything else and defended my dissertation successfully, but that one little B still gnaws at me.

by dcmetsfan on Jul 15, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

That’s true for virtually everyone I know who got a B, or even an A-, in grad school. I think it selects for people like that. Some people just grade weird, though — at my own institution it was maddeningly ad-hoc, every professor grading on a different scale according to their own personal beliefs/experience.

by anonymous on Jul 15, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys are scaring me

i was generally an A student in undergrad, especially in my major, but i just dont know i will be able to avoid a B when i have like 4 grad level physics classes

I like Ike

by astromets on Jul 15, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't fret it

I think Bs in the real sciences are like actual Bs. It’s generally the humanities where grade inflation is the worst.

by dcmetsfan on Jul 15, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

you still have me worried that if i get a B teachers will be looking at me like im not doing enough

guess its just motivation to work even harder, time to start studying for the first semester, fuck.

I like Ike

by astromets on Jul 15, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, don't panic

This stuff varies so much that it’s not like any discussion this general is meaningful at all for your specific situation. You just want to eventually get some idea what scale you’re actually being evaluated on, rather than thinking the letters have some kind of universal meaning.

by anonymous on Jul 15, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I rec'd

but this post is also funny because it is itself full of grammar fail.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 16, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

wait we gave Bay full no trade clause?

fuckin a

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 15, 2010 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Look at it this way, in case it makes you feel better:

You don’t actually think anyone is going to take him off our hands, do you?

If Bay was a FA at this very moment, would he get 3/35?

by Jack Str on Jul 15, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

though i suppose that would defeat the purpose of trading him.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 15, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

you are all gonna hate me

but no way should Frenchy be released.

He should NOT be starting. Maybe a game here and there to give a guy a rest, but he should not get playing time over Bay, Pagan or Beltran. No way. No how.

However, having him on the team seems to be helpful. He is a great distraction for the media, and seems to be a good teammate.

I know that it will never be as important as actually being good at baseball. Dont get me wrong here. However, putting 25 guys on a team with a single goal is not easy to do. Having players play to the best of their ability requires a good work environment. We all know this personally. If the office we work in has good co-workers, and is a generally pleasant place to be, we tend to work better.

Again, not saying he deserves to start over pagan, no way no how. I see the stat lines above, and see how he is on the field. He should be the last OF bat off the bench.

But there is something to be said for a positive working environment and being a good teammate.

ok… tell me i am an idiot.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 16, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe, but counterpoints:

1) He is being paid $5 million. Perhaps some other team values this positive clubhouse presence and would pick up that contract should the Mets put him on waivers.
2) His skills don’t translate to the bench. Perhaps, bizarrely, this is the reason he has always been a starter. But mediocre defenders who can’t walk or hit for average and hit for power only in disparate and unpredictable stretches and then, only against lefties, aren’t very valuable.
3) When he is on a ML roster, the ML manager plays him. The Braves finally had to trade him because Bobby Cox insisted on starting him. The same will probably happen in NY. Already Jerry is promising to start Jeff Francoeur the next three games in San Francisco.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 16, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm no expert on clubhouse chemistry, but I've heard both sides
But there is something to be said for a positive working environment and being a good teammate.

Yankee fans claim Cano was too friendly with Melky and that’s why Cano has been so much better this year. Can’t I make the same argument that the Mets are enjoying themselves too much and Francoeur is costing them wins that way? Unless they have a team of psychiatrists working on clubhouse chemistry, I think they should make roster decisions based on performance and skill.

by Evan_S on Jul 16, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

the whole argument seems dumb to me

good players, and teams full of good players, win ball games. bad players make it easier for the other team to win

I like Ike

by astromets on Jul 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense.

Francouer’s platoon splits complement Pagan’s, Francouer can crunch a LHer (and actually gets on base against them at a respectable clip), and he’s a decent defender. It’s not relevant that Manuel mishandles him. Manuel mishandles everyone but no on argues that we should trade Reyes or Wright because of that.

by Jack Str on Jul 16, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely. Thank him for the shaving tips,

and wish him good luck as the starting RFer for the Pittsburgh Pirates.

If it wasn’t for the cringe factor, he’s not a bad fit for the Mets at $1.5m in 2011. I just won’t be able to handle an injury in ST to Beltran or Pagan and watch Francouer get 158 starts.

by Jack Str on Jul 17, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

1.5 million?

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

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