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What are the consensus gripes at AA?

Promoted from FanPosts. --Eric

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We regulars at AA tend to form a general consensus about what should be done to improve the team, whether by altering the major league roster or utilizing differently the roster already in place. This is not to say that there are not constant debates; after all, disagreement is the sign of healthy discourse. But still, when the team is run such that it exposes obvious inefficiencies, critically-thinking fans with access to the same pool of metrics and analysis will tend to form agreements about recommended courses of action. This post is meant to present, briefly and incompletely, those recommendations.

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1) Jeff Francoeur is an extremely overrated major league right fielder and should be relegated to a bench spot at best, traded or released at worst. His .269/.310/.427 career line is mediocre for his position, and his defensive abilities, the best of which is his throwing arm, are not enough to make him a viable starting player. There are differences of opinion, however, as to whether his .301/.344/.482 career line against lefties in 927 plate appearances is enough to justify a platoon situation with Angel Pagan, who has a mere .709 OPS in 385 PAs against left-handers. Still, we agree that on the whole, Angel Pagan is the far superior player and represents the better option going forward.

2) Rod Barajas, with his sub-.700 career OPS, should not get the bulk of starts at catcher. He is an out machine who has gotten on base only 28.2% of the time over his career. Josh Thole has demonstrated tremendous on-base skill over his minor league career and has hit very well in his short time in the major leagues. Henry Blanco is comparable to Barajas, but is the recognizably superior defensive player. Barajas' fleeting shows of power are not enough to offset his other deficiencies. Thus the Mets would get the most value from the catching position by giving the bulk of the playing time to Thole and Blanco going forward, and Barajas should be dealt for a serviceable reliever if possible.

3) The contract which Alex Cora received, paying him $2 million this year and an option for $2 million next year vesting with a mere 80 appearances, is a travesty. Cora is a sub-replacement level player and not worth more than the major league minimum. Signing him to this contract represented a failure to properly assess the market at best, and abject cronyism at worst. Furthermore, it betrayed the Mets' inability to determine their roster's greatest weakness: offense from the second base position. None of Cora, Tejada, or Castillo are sufficient, and the Mets should have known this and signed one of Felipe Lopez (Cardinals: $1 million), Orlando Hudson (Twins: $5 million), or Kelly Johnson (Diambondbacks: $2.35 million). Signing Alex Cora to his contract in light of this market was just wrong. The Mets should look to acquire a better second baseman for the remainder of the year, and trade or release the inept Cora.

4) At the very least, Cora (or Castillo) should not be hitting second in the order. With Beltran back, the lineup should be something like this (when Reyes and Castillo return):

Reyes, Pagan, Beltran, Wright, Bay, Davis, Thole, Castillo

5) Jerry Manuel is an extremely poor tactical manager. Not only are his lineups often nonsensical (think Gary Matthews, Jr. leading off or Frank Catalanotto hitting fourth), but he has often made bizarre and obvious tactical blunders, such as pinch-running with Fernando Tatis while simultaneously pinch-hitting with Alex Cora. Worse is his devotion to the sacrifice bunt. One could conjure up many examples, such as ordering the maneuver on 3-1 counts with a position player pitching, or calling for pitchers to sacrifice with one out and runners on first-and-third. Manuel also has a tendency to fall in love with a relief pitcher after a couple outings, use him to death, and then cast him out after a few poor showings. It often seems that he'll float crazy ideas and then drop them when beat writers point out their flaws. And finally, he has been known to blame players for their injuries. He should be replaced.

6) Omar Minaya is not the worst general manager, but he is not very good either. As mentioned above, he persistently fails to identify where the team can most easily be improved, and falls in love with also-ran scrubs like Alex Cora and Fernando Tatis, even if sometimes he strikes gold with these players. Recently he has shown little impetus to trade prospects or make big, ill-advised free-agent splashes, but this might be the result of constriction by ownership rather than some new-found prudence. For evidence that Minaya is over his head, look no further than the plan at the beginning of this year to play the mediocrities known as Mike Jacobs and Gary Matthews, Jr. over obviously superior players; and the fantastical belief that Oliver Perez and John Maine could be serviceable starters. What's more, he was relying on perpetually-hobbled Luis Castillo, no offensive behemoth in his own right, when the only backup was Alex Cora. The starters in right field and catcher were players who can easily go under .300 OBP for a full season. Once again in 2010 Omar Minaya, with a very large payroll at his disposal, constructed a roster that relied on dismally mediocre players up-and-down the lineup and in the starting rotation. He should be replaced.

That seems to be about the extent of it right now. Obviously we could quibble about the deployment of certain relief pitchers or the configuration of the bench, but I think this is enough to start a discussion. Thoughts?

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Agreed for the most part

I believe in clubhouse chemistry, and I also believe Francoeur has enough ability to warrant staying on the roster. Lest we forget, he has been one of the Mets’ top RBI guys and has done a splendid job in right field by all accounts. Now that Beltran is back, Francoeur should sit, but Manuel still needs to find at-bats for him. I hear Francoeur’s swing is too long to spend too much time on the bench; well, maybe he can work with HoJo on that. Frenchy is a popular and well-liked guy on the team, and that has value…

Barajas stinks. The “God Barajas” thing seems like years, not months, ago. I like Manuel as a person, and more importantly, his players love him, but I agree that he isn’t a great manager.

I also agree that Omar isn’t great, but he isn’t the worst.

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Sigh

I’m sorry, but Francoeur is NOT good at baseball.

RBIs are an archaic stat, and they don’t change the fact that he has a .299 OBP, and a slugging percentage under .400. He also isn’t a great fielder.

This isn’t a slump for Francoeur; he’s been a terrible baseball player his entire career. His whole approach to an at bat is one that will likely never change, and it’s never going to result in success for him.

I know he’s well liked, but that shouldn’t factor into the decision of whether to keep him or not. Giving him decent playing time is actively hurting this team’s chances of winning.

BTW, the awful Barajas has still been more valuable than Francoeur this season….by half a win

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Jul 18, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS

I remember some friends of mine who are Atlanta fans giving me shit when the Mets picked him up. “You’ll see,” they told me. And lo verily, it has come to pass.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Mets have gotten the least production

from RF , less than any team in baseball. Check here. They are in the bottom five of every single category. If you think that is a good way to make the playoffs you need to take up another hobby.

by Blame-everyone-else on Jul 18, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its a bit of a tangent

but reading the discussion of JF, keeps bringing to mind comments by Braves management that they saw Corey Hart as another JF. And there’s hillbilly at the top of the chart.

by ol Pete on Jul 19, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do we need to find at bats for him?

Because you like him? Sorry, that’s not really a good reason.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

F**king Shocker

that you would say this

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Jul 18, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what I find is a shocker? Omission of Ray Ramirez.

And this is my one criticism of the list above. There is no mention of Ray Ramirez anywhere on here. None. In terms of standing up for players in an implicit, but most basic way, the trainer needs to be the guy who says “his arm’s shot” (Nieve or Maine early in the season) or “maybe we should not play him for a few days to make sure a soft-tissue injury that seems minor is nor aggravated” (Reyes, recently). More importantly, the trainer is the guy who is supposed to keep in contact with the players to make sure they are not playing through the pain in a way that can lead to permanent harm or land them on the DL. After last year there was plenty of warning.

Knowing what I do about management, but without one iota of evidence as to the specifics, I suspect that there is a systemic lack of trust or care going on here that allows players to think that they have to play through the pain without the objective advice of a medical expert to help them distinguish between regular aches and pains and stuff that might be more serious.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Jerry to be the type to take the opinion of doctors very seriously

Evidence: see the SI piece about him and Frank Thomas.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

First off....

I Googles “Frank Thomas Jerry Manue SI” to find this article and apparently the Google bot had already come through here because this post was 3rd on the list. Nicely done.

Second, I had never seen this before. This article tells me more about Jerry than I thought, and explains every suspicion I had about bad management. The bullying approach to professionals may make them not speak out about you, but this is my Exhibit A every time someone mentions that the players like him. What do you call a man who uses humiliation to get someone to play through an injury (besides a JV football coach)? I dunno, but JV football coach works.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 20, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, that's pretty awesome about Google

and “JV” is a fantastic nickname for Jerry.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 20, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

You like Manuel as a person?

He’s probably the biggest douche in this organization.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

How so?

-He’s a family man
-He comes off as a good, genuine guy in interviews/press conferences
-His players love playing for him, and he has no problem getting thrown out of games to defend them

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

This is awesome. While Jerry is no Idi Amin, this goes under the Chris Rock “don’t brag about shit you’re supposed to do” line. If you have a family, being a family man is expected.

I’m sure he’s a nice guy and great to get a beer with. You know who else is like that? Most of the guys I know who do not manage baseball teams.

Finally, if you’re a manager—and I managed teams of people for a long time in stressful situations—being liked by your charges is a good thing, and something one should aspire to. But that a token will get you on the subway if you’re not getting results. If K-Rod likes him that’s great, I hope they have a great time golfing together in the off-season (maybe Johan could show up and they could have some real golf course fun). But keeping a guy in who needs to be put on the shelf for a bit so he’ll like you is the opposite of objective management.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reasons why Jerry Manuel is a douche:

There are plenty of reasons.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, he was such a nice guy

calling Ryan Church soft after the man suffered 2 concussions made worse by the mets putting him on an airplane a day after it happened. Stand up guy.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

putting him on an airplane

to Colorado of all places

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not forget throwing Maine under the bus...

Rather than dealing with things behind closed doors and out of the spotlight.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

what player is going to say they hate playing for a manager?

especially one as spiteful as jerry, who would send a player to the end of the bench for weeks – or AA if they are named…um what was his name?

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who?

And which player was sent here?

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

i wish frenchy would get sent here

that would be a fun conversation

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh from what I've heard...

We would all love him within a few minutes.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

he would be a great AA clubhouse personality

but alas, just like with baseball, his posting would help us win nothing

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just read an article

saying the mets have no depth at 3B. Has NOBODY heard of Nick Evans?

by Joshuah on Jul 19, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

well he's never actually played 3rd

until like a few weeks ago

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

weird

i had read somewhere that was his original position and he played there some when he first came up

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He played 5 games in 2008 and 1 game in 2009 as a 3B.

He played like 95% of his games in 1B and 4% in corner OF.

In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.

by Michkin on Jul 19, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i knew he was a 3B

just thought evans had played there too

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 21, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pay no attention to this man

the fact that he likes the band Rush should tell you A LOT.

www.thisguysucks.org

by HoJoHeff on Jul 19, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Being 4th place in RBI on a team (which Frenchy is)

is about the most pointless praise you can heap on him

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2010-batting.shtml

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

man oh man

I think you would be hard pressed to find a semi-regular poster on this blog that can appropriate what Frenchy does for this team more then me. And I hated the trade when it happened… check that… I loathed the trade when it happened.

But using RBIs on this blog as an indication of a players worth is just showing that you should do some more lurking before you start posting.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 19, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn it, didn't the Rangers want Barajas earlier?

I wanted Omar to pull the trigger while his value was so unsustainably high…we could’ve gotten some pitching, too…

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Omar is much closer to being the worst

than he is to being the best. He definitely needs to be replaced but I’m really really not confident in the Wilpons finding anyone better.They’re aversion to stats is well known. Manuel on the other hand is easily replaceable with any random manager. Thats why I would advocate Manuel be replaced before Omar.

by Blame-everyone-else on Jul 18, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

The only GMs I can think of that are worse than Omar are

Dayton Moore
Brian Sabean
Ed Wade
and maybe Jim Hendry or Ned Coletti (but they’re probably on the same level). Manuel is just horrendous in-game and they need somebody who’s going to give them some sort of an edge during the game, rather than a blatant deficiency (which is what they’ve had ever since they fired Bobby V).

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by Steve Schreiber on Jul 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

sigh.

their aversion to stats. Its been a long day.

by Blame-everyone-else on Jul 18, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'd think that by now the Wilpons would be scratching their...

…heads, and wondering why the Mets haven’t done better in spite of their payroll advantage, new stadium, network, and so on. Then you might think they’d ask around about this stats stuff and wonder why, as apparently successful businesspeople, they have an aversion to numbers when there are a few thousand people out there who can explain to them the correlation between winning at baseball and advanced metrics.

You’d think that.

You’d be wrong, but you’d think that.

by Jack Str on Jul 24, 2010 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

They made $48 million from Madoff.

In their parlance, 1 Ollie Perez and a part-Francouer

by MookieTheCat on Jul 25, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but they apparently may have to give it all back

due to lawsuits from the people who lost money.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 25, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doubtful...

The whole constructive trust thing and/or similar doctrines is hard to prove, and even harder to collect. If they do have to pay it back, they could just give the receiver Ollie in partial satisfaction.

KInd of be appropriate, with the whol perceived profit being lost thing.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 29, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be all for Josh Byrnes as GM

and Ken Oberkfell or Dave Jauss as manager can’t possibly be worse than Jerryball.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 18, 2010 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

It seems Jerry is the common element in most of these

In the big picture, Omar is the the bigger problem because he’s ultimately responsible for roster construction. But given the cards he is dealt with, Jerry is still the one who chooses to: give an abundant number of at-bats to Francouer, play Barajas ahead of Blanco and Thole, give meaningful at-bats to Cora, automatically bat a middle-infielder at the top of the lineup, etc.

In other words, Jerry Manuel is a bad manager. Now he just needs to grown an even more sinister mustache.

by dcmetsfan on Jul 18, 2010 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I think in the big picture

while Omar does a lot of things wrong, he’s good at enough things for me to think it’s very easy the Wilpons could (read: will) hire someone worse, and that given the right parameters and patience, from the owners, Omar even with all his bumbling of free agent contracts, could put together a good enough team because of the farm system.

Where as Jerry pretty much does nothing redeeming.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

I don’t have many regrets… one of them is my devil’s advocate post of Jerry Manuel. What the heck was I thinking?

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone deserves a fair shot? Even Jerry?

Eh…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 24, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this Gina

Omar has some redeeming qualities, he probably isn’t a GM, more of a major scout, but he can spot talent, at all levels. And for the last year or so, whether it’s because of some kind of enlightenment on his part of because of restrictions from higher up, he has made a lot of the right decisions in terms of staying away from the Lackeys and big pitching contracts, and (so far) away from the stupid prospect(s) for expensive declining veteran trade we are constantly scared of (see: Putz, JJ, it would be nice to have Jason Vargas in our rotation huh?).

Jerry has nothing he brings to the table, as you said.

by nrmax88 on Jul 19, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure he's a great talent scout...

What I do know is this. That man must have parked a hell of a car in his day.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 20, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no doubts he is a great talent evaluator.

That’s how he got to where he is. The list of amateur players he has signed is rather impressive.

by nrmax88 on Jul 21, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I don’t think any of them have made the major league club.

by Jack Str on Jul 24, 2010 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

As for the broader claim that he is a great talent evaluator,

I’m just not seeing it. Minaya routinely gets the wrong guys, signs the wrong guys, and when he gets lucky as he did in 2006, he keeps the wrong guys.

He’s certainly not hopeless at talent evaluation, and would have value as one guy in a group of ten sitting around a table brainstorming on who to pick up, but he’s nowhere near good enough to keep his very real deficits from swamping his occasional good pickup.

by Jack Str on Jul 24, 2010 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

He "found"

Sammy Sosa and Juan Gonzalez, among others. That was a long time ago, but…Realistically, over his tenure with us here, he hasn’t done that horribly, concerning trades and free agent signings. His problem is that the bad ones are so huge and overshadowing.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 24, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree, Minaya has done a fantastic job acquiring players, he just keeps them too long

In 2006 he signed Valentin (.344 wOBA), in 2007 he signed Easley (.356 wOBA), in 2008 he signed Tatis (.372 wOBA), in 2009 he signed Sheffield (.359 wOBA). He traded for John Maine who we got a solid 2 and a half years out of, Ollie Perez who had started out well for us, Duaner who was really good before the crash, Endy who was great, R.A. Dickey who has been great. These were all under the radar signings/trades, many of which, we all thought were bad or pointless at the time, and they worked out great for at least one season. What are the odds he’s get a great bench piece 4 seasons in a row?

by Evan_S on Jul 25, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't Jerry the one who wanted Mejia in the pen also?

I would be willing to fire Omar for the chance the Wilpons would hire someone better, even if its a relatively small chance.

by EtSuKe on Jul 18, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Omar was seemingly leaning towards keeping Mejia off the ML roster when Spring Training camp broke, but, somehow, through whatever methods, the manager exerted influence that made the general manager not do what he wanted to do, and Mejia made the Mets.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

they'd hire Isiah Thomas

he’d trade Meija

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

stupid post button

he’d trade Meija, Havens and F-mart for Hunter Pence

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

even if they like Rush

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially if they like Rush.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 18, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is *your* favorite band?

This should be good.

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rush is awesome

But there are at least 15-20 bands that are better.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

KC and the Sunshine Band.

Or, a close second, the Bay City Rollers.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 18, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

mine too!

I seriously do love KC.

by SuperT on Jul 18, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Tool? System of a down primes, pantera to name some recent ones

Old stuff, zep, Floyd, tull, genesis

Hip hop: gza, nas rya, gfk, method man, biggie, mob deep, gangstarr,

Way too many more to name

Tool,Floyd and GZA/ wu tang clan are my favorites from the three categories… Is that a bad thing?

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 18, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

GZA is so fucking underrated

My favorite Wu member and 6th or 7th overall.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

My fav ever

Saw him at gramercy in January I think and he did all of liquid swords. He is the best lyricist of all-time I think. And I love all his albums. Legend of liquid sword, pro tools, beneath the usurface. Fool is a monster that not mNy can compare too. I think deck actually got short changed. He was right on par with gza when it came to lyrics and uncontrolled substances is the only album from him I can even listen to for at most a few mins. Just listening to his verse on gangstarrs above the clouds shows how incredible he is

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 18, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a fantastic lyricist for sure

Liquid Swords is one of my favorites and for a while was my favorite hip hop albums.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

and this should be Johan’s theme song

I’m on the mound G, and it’s a no-hitter
And my DJ the catcher, he’s my man
Anyway he’s the one who devised the plan
He throws the signs I hook up the beats with clout
I throw the rhymes to the mic and I strike em out

by secret defense on Jul 19, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um

WOW

www.thisguysucks.org

by HoJoHeff on Jul 19, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oddly.

It was the one place in Amsterdam where you couldn’t smoke weed. People had to go outside and smoke on the street, then come back in.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I heard Ghostface at Hofstra this summer

and I was not impressed.
Now I’m not a fan of rap per say, but I can appreciate some of it (like some of Nas’ stuff , some Eminem, or Biggie), and I didn’t hear anything I liked. Oh well.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

From my experiences

Rap is almost never good live. Always better on record.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try it in Amsterdam..

I doubt the former Jets practice facility features equivalent talent. Oh Dutch girls.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 20, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dutch girls would've definitely made Ghostface more enjoyable to listen to

as opposed to orange guidettes that were “dancing” on stage.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 20, 2010 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

love Liquid Swords

but no way is GZA underrated considering how much praise Liquid Swords gets.

by secret defense on Jul 19, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I meant in the mainstream

People talk about Pac and Biggie as if they’re the only rappers worth a damn before 2000.

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

well in the mainstream

the wu-tang clan as a whole is underrated. Really the only rap group that gets any credit from the mainstream is Outkast, and that was only after they did a bunch of crazy shit.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fugees?

The Roots have started to get some mainstream love. Going back a bit: EPMD? Tribe Called Quest? NWA?

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did they really get mainstream love?

I mean mainstream like the kind of attention Pac and Biggie get in pop culture.

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by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

NWA was HUGE in their time

that they broke up probably hurts their legacy.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

or rather

the way they broke up

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Old System were great

before they went bull-blown, shove it down your throat political.

And you can’t go wrong with Pantera.

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 18, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Self titled

I remember seeing them play that entire fucking album at ooziest 2000. It was freaking insane for a 14 year old. That album has maybe one semi weak song on it and the rest are really innovative I think. As far as I know not many blended as heavy riffs as they did with middle eastern themes. Only thing is after living in LA for a few years I went to The Baked Potatoe a few times to see VOLTO (
Drum er from tools little side group fun thing) and seri would show up every once in a whaler and the armeniAn nationalists kinda scared me. Almost in a racist way. Toxicity was antihero amazing amazing album but a slight ztep down. Then they went to poo

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 19, 2010 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good god and more auto corrects

Another amazing album not antihero

Serj showed up every once in a while, not whaler

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 19, 2010 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahah somehow I still got everything

That’s pretty awesome.
They have tons of unreleased early studio stuff too – and I doubt we’ll ever hear any of it (which is a crying shame).

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nickelback

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey

They have a couple of cool songs.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

no...

not really

"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur

by RangersandMets on Jul 18, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rockstar was good

"we believe in comebacks"
Jerry being Jerry

by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 19, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

All of their songs sound the same

It’s like they make no effort to try something new; they just go with the same shit every single time, and people eat it up

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Jul 18, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

fact

link

i won’t lie I liked someday though.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I liked that one too

but I thought it was just the lead singer from Nickleback not an actual Nickleback song

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every Thrash Metal band.

Also, Pig Destroyer, Napalm Death, Cephalic Carnage, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, and Anal Cunt (only for the song titles).

Not to mention Nas, Public Enemy, Wu Tang, KRS ONE, Atmosphere, The High & Mighty, Brother Ali, Jurassic 5.

Last but not least, Rise Against!

2010: Year of the Grission

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by R_Adragna on Jul 18, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol.

I don’t listen to it, but “hardcore” metal bands have the best names. Agoraphobic Nosebleed…That’s a classic.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're grindcore, not hardcore. There's a difference.

Still, nothing beats Anal Cunt.

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 18, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't even know 'hardcore' was a sungenre.

I meant ‘hardcore’ as in, like ‘intense’. I would say ‘dark’, but I’m pretty sure that’s another metal subgenre too.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hardcore is a metal subgenre with some influences of punk. Think Black Flag and Bad Brains.

But I do see where you’re hinting at. “Dark” describes all of metal, but that’s mostly because of the imagery. Black metal (which 99% of I could care less about outside of Behemoth), thrash, and death metal are more so “dark.”

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by R_Adragna on Jul 18, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Such terrible taste. You actually think those screaming barbarians can shine any member of Rush’s shoes? lol…

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

With all due respect for Rush, because I like "Working Man" and their new single "Caravan,"

They’ll never hold a candle to the likes of Slayer and Iron Maiden.

Also, Zeppelin and Blue Cheer rock.

2010: Year of the Grission

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by R_Adragna on Jul 18, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rush is an inferior Canadian version of Led Zeppelin,

so let’s not go around casting stones here, or however that phrase goes.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

However it goes, I don't know.

Don’t go talking about how Yuniesky Betancourt sucks when you’re Jeff Francoeur.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Isn't everything hard rock pretty much an inferior version of Led Zeppelin?

I mean, there’s the Beatles, the Stones and Zeppelin. Everything not Beatles or Stones is inherently inferior to Zeppelin.

It’s almost like telling Hank Aaron he’s an inferior player to Babe Ruth

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like we've had this conversation already...

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

are the beatles hard rock?

or are you talking about music in general?

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Music in general in there

They’re a pop rock band. Still the best ever though.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna say it

I’ve heard a handful of Led Zeppelin songs and besides D’yer Mak’er I’ve strongly disliked all of them.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Led Zeppelin

is only edged out by the Beatles as the most overrated, overplayed, annoying band in the history of time. Queen rounds out the top 3.

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

And what music group do YOU consider to be The Best, Geddy?

You, who worship the ground that Manuel and Frenchy walk on?

by BrockRocks on Jul 18, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

Beatles overrated? Seriously? This type of comment should be punishable by death.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

THIS I agree on

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

BLASPHEMOUS PERSON IS BLASPHEMOUS

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Jul 18, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

hm...I would say that is surprising, yes.

Freddie Mercury may or may not be…receptive…to that idea.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ho ho ho

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

he might be receptive

if he needed a g/f to cover for him in heaven like he did in the 70’s…

by djg2111 on Jul 18, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think GeddyLee is only edged out

by whomever else is still defending Frenchy.

used to be me and tmu but thankfully, we abandoned the Titanic before it sank.

by BrockRocks on Jul 18, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there ARE worse RFs out there in some situations:

He’s ranked like last in OPS….and the 2nd to last player is a full 37 points ahead of him., 17th of 24 in RBI, 18th of 24 in homers, 22nd of 24 in SLG %, last in OBP….with no one even close to him, and 22nd of 24 in average.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So just what are you trying to say, little man? You don't like Zep?

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 19, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I was going to defend you on Rush

but not anymore, this is the most ridiculous post you’ve made yet, and that’s saying something.

by JoshNY on Jul 19, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not even that I'm some wannabe teenager who listens to all pop music or something

http://www.last.fm/user/metsguy234

Queen, Pearl Jam, Billy Joel, Guns N’ Roses, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, The Who, U2, Elton John are all bands/artists I’d say I like. Led Zeppelin though, just no, not from what I’ve heard of theirs.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

no offense

but you should seek out better music.

by secret defense on Jul 19, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

wait

most of those artists aren’t really classic.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hence why I put it in quotes

Because I included some artists (Pearl Jam, U2, GNR) that still make music

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

GNR still makes music?

Really? or are you just considering Chinese Democracy GNR?

by djg2111 on Jul 19, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

They set themselves up to fail with Chinese Democracy

Nothing Axl put out would have been good enough, given the 15 or so years of hype the CD had. But, meh…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

regardless, GNR was Slash and Axl being awesome.

Velvet Revolver was more GNR than Chinese Democracy.

by djg2111 on Jul 19, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Duff

wrote all the tunes

www.thisguysucks.org

by HoJoHeff on Jul 19, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong

Izzy wrote the tunes.

by tmu on Jul 19, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

the ones you listed

not a fan of the music on your lastfm neither.

by secret defense on Jul 19, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I don’t pride myself in having the most refined musical taste ever. I like what I think sounds good, whether that be a band formed by a family friend (see the band “Eclectic” in my last 20 played songs) or a band that’s absolutely huge. I’m always open to new music, but I’ll never apologize for liking what I like

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry if I come across as an a-hole

I used to listen to the same stuff which is why I cringe when people bring up this music they play on the radio all the time. Still there’s no apology necessary, anyone can listen to and enjoy whatever they want.

by secret defense on Jul 19, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

you seem to be stuck

in a bad college town bar.

you should work on that.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 19, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Are you serious? Wow.

Even the most casual fan doesn’t dislike “Whole Lotta Love”.

SHAME ON YOU!

by BrockRocks on Jul 18, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's OK.

Matter of fact, I was apprehensive about the likes of Zep at his age. Now, I look forward to hearing a block of it on WMMR in Philly.

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 18, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahem

a 15 year old

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was eh

Hated the breakdown in the middle.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

wut

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bridge in that song is hilariously bad

“oh, oh OH! OH! OHHH! OHHHH! YESSS!”

first time i heard that, i literally rolled on the floor, laughing.

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking : "He's simulating an orgasm"

I laughed the first time I ever heard that part of the song.

I now just chuckle a little.

by BrockRocks on Jul 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, that was kinda mean, but it was funny.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The use of the term "breakdown" made me chuckle

nothing personal of course, I just grew up a metal-head and had to hear scene and emo kids saying things like “OMG the breakdown was so XCore

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 18, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on, though. When I was 14, I liked tZeppelin

Stuff like that doesn’t really know age bounds or whatever.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been a Zeppelin fan since I was 3 or 4

I making my parents play songs like Ramble On, Whole Lotta Love, and Heartbreaker over and over again on car trips. My father loves Zeppelin so he didn’t mind, my mother got tired of the songs rather quickly though.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, my parents are the same.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was 13 when I started listening to Led Zeppelin and I liked them

and I’m a frequent listener of country and rap stations. So it’s not like I have discerning tastes.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like pretty much everything but smooth jazz and

house music. For some reason nothing infuriates me more than smooth jazz. I don’t really know what it is about it.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps it's its smoothness

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe it is too smooth

it’s like the wallpaper of music

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't like House?

What do you pump your fists to, then?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

we don't pump our firsts in the south

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, that'd do it, then.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

Techno: Brought to you by Tourette’s Syndrome.

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by R_Adragna on Jul 18, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong.

Music without words allows one to hear himself think.

The difference between good techno and bad techno is about 100x the difference between good and bad hip-hop. It’s just that it’s really hard to find good techno unless you’re into it.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

And do not conflate guido house with techno...

This is like conflating the Partridge Family with classic rock.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

.

by “hear himself think” do you mean hear himself think?

/jk

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%

There’s SOOOOO much shitty techno out there that it’s hard to wade through it all and find the people who are really trying to move things forward

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jul 19, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a big Aphex Twin fan :D

They’re my 2nd favorite electronic band, after Boards of Canada

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by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 20, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whelp

Aphex Twin is ruined for me…

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 20, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm beginning to see a pattern forming here

I’m a big Amazin Avenue fan too. Will you go away now? lol

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by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 20, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

you first

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 21, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I saw ole Richard about 14 times...

But yes. I’m more of an old electro guy. Industrial Bass Machine. And give me old Funky Tekno Tribe from the mid to late 90s, DJ Dan and the like. Old breaks are my heart a soul. Also Detroit house from that time, Richie Hawtin and the Terrys. I used to be a regular every Friday at Twilo, and the Sasha and Digweed nights I ended up at Terry Mullens house in San Diego once after seeing a Jeno show. This was a good night.

And if you like Aphex you probably should bring up Photek first. If you’re into that weird shit it’s a better example.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 20, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even really like Aphex Twin that much

only his song “Come to Daddy”.
Plus, he’s just plain creepy so i can respect that.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 20, 2010 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I need proof that this good techno exists

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

depending how you define techno

there are tons of great electronic music that have influenced techno.

by secret defense on Jul 19, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

Link us this mythical “good techno”

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tiesto

Probably the only techno DJ I would listen to.

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by R_Adragna on Jul 19, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit man!

It’s folks like you who are keeping us down. Tiesto is at best ok if you’re fucked up techno.

Gina, see if you can find an online version of Chris Liberator’s Prolekuulture disc.

Or got to. http://www.ezeskankin.com/ and check the following (i) DJ Dan (if you want happy, go for the earlier stuff) or (ii) Dubtribe (if you want more mellow). Also check out anyone named Terry for harder techno. Feelgood is good for more happy house—as the name of his tape implies—or Derrick Carter or Doc Martin for other good things,

by MookieTheCat on Jul 20, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno if it counts as techno, it's more like dance

but I love me some Justice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zo1-XlazvY

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 19, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

My next door neighbor at college played house music in his dorm – while alone!

Yes, he was a guido and yes, I hated him with every fiber of my being.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 18, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever = cool.

Guido from X-Factor = cool.
Modern day guidos = not cool.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

My New Haircut = Funny

Jersey Shore = Stupid

The fact that there are some teams who use fist pumps as an in-game promotion, including the one I work for = Somebody shoot me please!

2010: Year of the Grission

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by R_Adragna on Jul 19, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bro, you just said Jersey Shore = stupid

Jersey Shore is a modern day work of television magic.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someday I will get my photo with The Situation....

In Post St. Lucie at a spring training game onto the In4rw3bz, and you will all praise me. He shows his nipples.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 20, 2010 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still stupid.

It had no business being a show. Should have been relegated to being an example of what not to do by sites like Get Off Our Island.

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by R_Adragna on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are how many cable channels now?

Plus the internet. Most shows don’t have business being shows.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I saw it on the news once

that was the day I lost faith in society

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jersey Shore 2 is going to make me sad

It just isn’t going to be the same. You can’t recapture the magic; it’s gonna be too forced and artificial.

Gina knows what’s up.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

just because

its so bad it attracts people. i watched a little and was embarrassed but still kept watching

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC

More Americans watched The Decision than the World Cup final.

People are dumb.

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by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck Soccer.

That’s my policy.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like it either

But international sporting events should really get more viewers than one player’s “look at me” hour long idiocy block

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by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I watched both,

except I wasted an hour of my life on that LeBron shit.

"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt

by Brian. on Jul 19, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

people like watching train wrecks...

I just wish more people had watched the great shows that couldn’t last. Like Arrested Development…

by djg2111 on Jul 19, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate myself everyday for not watching it while it was on

and telling every single person within a 100 mile radius to watch it as well.

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, one of my actual life-goals

is to see a car crash happen right in front of me (yes, I know I’m a horrible person, idc) but I will never, ever watch Jersey Shore.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I saw a car crash right in front of me. It was pretty anticlimactic and amazing at the same time.

This was before I could drive, and my mom picked me up from school that day. At a red light, this car service driver apparently wasn’t pressing the break all the way at a red light, and inched closer and closer to the person in front of him until he actually hit her car. It really was amazing. She was pissed, too, even though I bet she barely felt it.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was at The Championship Bar in Trenton on Memorial Day for an Entombed concert with my uncle, who came down from Jersey City.

A guy got ran over that night out in front of a bar. Left a big-ass crack on the windshield. Driver was freaking out and hysterically sobbing over the incident. Sure enough, police closed the road down, including the sidewalks. By the time Entombed finished, the cops were still hanging around. That’s Trenton for ya…

Also, one guy had the nerve to drive through the yellow tape and got an earful from the Trenton cops.

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 19, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha

i like watched this bitch without a license in slow motion come out of a parking lot too early and come straight into the side of my car – it was either slow down and she hit the engine or speed up and she would hit the door to the backseat. would have preferred watching from the sidewalk though

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had it much worse

I had to watch is slow motion while someone changed lanes 3 times within 50 feet without looking and took out the front end of my motorcycle. Yours sounds like more fun.

by djg2111 on Jul 19, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

yikes

motorcycles always worry me because i cant see them, usually can hear them though

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why I always keep an eye out

The problem was, that first lane change was from the highway to the service road. I was down within a second or two of seeing him.

by djg2111 on Jul 19, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hello

Boondocks and breaking bad! Nplus the wire and Rome as we have mentioned before. But I am sure plenty will catch Memphis fucking beat when it premieres

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 19, 2010 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

thats why the real world sucks now, because everyone goes on it and purposely acts a certain way to get attention. The Jersey shore was awesome because their douchiness was 100% genuine.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i lost faith

when the news started covering twitter updates

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually no joke

saw an article on CNN’s Political Ticker blog once that was about a tweet one of the Jersey Shore stars sent to John McCain or something.

Journalistic lowlight of the millenium.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

as well

I lost faith in humanity a few years before that actually. I was a cynical child.

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Twitter is terrible.

"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt

by Brian. on Jul 19, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

People say that

It’s never going to oust Facebook as a serious social medium. It’s very useful to get breaking news though. Also, it can be cool to see real time reactions to current events if you follow enough people.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Facebook is a lot better

Twitter is just facebook status updates, minus the millions of awesome other things that Facebook has. I don’t get why people have/use both. That really boggles my mind.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I use Facebook to stay in touch with friends.

I use Twitter to get breaking Mets news, trade rumors, current events, etc.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Twitter is only useful for media people

and they often misuse it by saying stupid things without sources

by EtSuKe on Jul 19, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I follow media people

Hence, I get news quickly.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like Kevin Burkhardt?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

False.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

facebook isnt much better

often glorified stalking

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a Facebook addict

but even I admit that it devolves into a gossip column for non-celebrities at points. Who’s going out with who, who’s hanging out with who, who likes what, etc

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guidos are hilarious.

And bring endless joy and amusement to my life.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like

house music either, but “Kicked out the House” by De La Soul was good.

"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt

by Brian. on Jul 19, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

De La Soul is Dead, not the best song on the album

I hate club music in general, but sometimes artists you like do it better than everyone else. Like Kweli killed this.

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fixed

Calvin Harris is pretty good

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you define irony for me

My dictionary must be broken because I don’t see/hear anything resembling “the expression of one’s meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.” What I did hear was a douche rehashing the same concept of a million previous songs about how he likes and gets all different types of girls.

by Evan_S on Jul 20, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry if that sounded

combative. That was just a really bad song.

by Evan_S on Jul 20, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

no problem

The irony is in the style (influenced by 80’s dance/disco music) and affectedness of the delivery. Also in the video all the girls look the same even though he describes all the different types of girls he likes.

by secret defense on Jul 20, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I roll with old school/underground hip hop as well

sub in alternative/indie rock and dance/electronic for the other two.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truth

Good episode tonight

"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt

by Brian. on Jul 18, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

the theme song they semi copied is better

battlecry

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's one of the few songs I don't like

In fact, the entire middle of Houses of the Holy is pretty much the only that that sucks by Zep.

by dcmetsfan on Jul 18, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

In Through the Out Door has the most forgettable songs.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

no!

Thats their best CD to get high to, for sure! It owns.

ain't had enough...

by BlackOps on Jul 19, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to disagree with you

and then I looked at the track list of Houses of the Holy and, yeah, you’re pretty much right. The start and the end are awesome, but the middle kinda blows, at least by Zep standards. Still better than anything by, like, Creed.

(But, to be fair, there are like five albums in the history of music that don’t have at least one or two crappy songs on them.)

by JoshNY on Jul 19, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet you like Nickelback . . .

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 18, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like a couple of their songs

They’re 30th on my last.fm artists charts (with 105 plays) mostly because of me listening to Burn It To The Ground and Animals a lot.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Achilles Last Stand, my friend.

And Moby Dick!

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kashmir

Stairway to Heaven

Black Dog

IMMIGRANT SONG (AAAAAAAAAAAAA….AH! aaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA- AH!) ;)

by BrockRocks on Jul 18, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

whole lotta love

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

DAZED AND CONFUSED

Been Dazed and Confused for so long it’s not true.
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you.
Lots of people talk and few of them know,
soul of a woman was created below.

by BrockRocks on Jul 18, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

for Achilles Last Stand. I want that song played at my funeral, as they light my casket on fire and set me adrift at sea

It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy

by CTRefJay on Jul 19, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want a Viking pyre as well

except with Go Into The Water by Metalocalypse playing.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait what

what songs have you heard?

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I would probably plug The Who in there

leaving top reps from major 60’s-70’s rock genre’s. If you consider them rock, I would probably plug in Jethro Tull too…

by djg2111 on Jul 18, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't even force myself to like Jethro Tull.

I really don’t know what it is about them, but…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Yes is probably the most difinitive

and the best at the instrumentals besides the Moog. I think ELP and Jethro get unique categories for Moog-rock and flute-rock. Jethro Tull isn’t really a band either – more like Ian Anderson and whoever he is hanging out with that year – usually Barre.

by djg2111 on Jul 18, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the shuffling madness
Of the locomotive breath
Runs the all time loser (Frenchy?? lol)
Headlong to his death

Oh, he feels the piston scraping
Steam breaking on his brow

Old Charlie stole the handle
And the train, it won’t stop going
No way to slow down
Oh, oh

by BrockRocks on Jul 18, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's just because I'm a metal-head

and Sabbath and the Who paved the way for everything metal.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you suggesting

Going to California is not metal?

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Rain Song definitley is.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was probably too strong

but I wouldn’t call LZ metal, or even that they “paving the way” for metal (or at least non-Glam Metal)

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably Phil Anselmo.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

In his defense

he was probably drunk and hopped up on pain killers when he said that.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure about the Who.

But Blue Cheer, they were big-time pioneers of the metal sound.

Blue Cheer then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU5uDozoSSM

Blue Cheer more recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huZaSjx-5sQ (sorry for the inferior quality)

Unfortunately, they are no more, as Dickie Peterson has passed away a couple years ago.

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 19, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never heard of Blue Cheer

but the Who were pretty heavy for their time.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

but I have heard the song "Summertime Blues"

although it was probably always a cover

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it was.

Everyone covered it. Rush did a damn good cover as well. Nothing tops Blue Cheer’s version, though.

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 19, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blue Cheer was like a one-hit wonder back in the day.

They were a mere blip on the screen. Even so, a lot of rock musicians credit them as an influence and for creating the blueprint for what would later be known as the heavy metal sound, even before Black Sabbath came onto the scene.

Fun Fact: Blue Cheer also had ties to Sonny Barger and the Oakland Hells Angels through a mutual friend.

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 19, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

Jimi

www.thisguysucks.org

by HoJoHeff on Jul 19, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol you really know zilch about Rush.

They are nothing like Led Zeppelin, NOTHING.

In the early 70s, they were somewhat inspired by Zeppelin, but even then they absolutely crushed Zeppelin from both a technical and creative standpoint.

“Anthem” and “Beneath, Between, and Behind,” both inspired by Zeppelin, would make any member of LZ’s head spin if they saw the music. Geddy Lee has more talent in one finger than all of LZ combined, and that is a fact.

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

Bonham>Peart
John Paul Jones>Geddy Lee
Robert Plant>Geddy Lee
Jimmy Page>Alex Lifeson

And I like Rush a lot.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

you are so, so, so, so, so very lost. I’m a musician.

Please, please trust me.

Listen to La Villa Strangiato by Rush. Geddy, Alex, and Neil have more talent in their feces than all of LZ combined. Please, just…

just listen to La Villa Strangiato. Or Hemispheres, or YYZ, or By-Tor and the Snowdog.

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone here is condescending towards ME, I would think, including yourself

Yet I don’t see you pointing that out at all, ever.

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, and

“LMAO

bonham > peart
jpj > geddy
page > lifeson"

isn’t condescending at all. Hey, you double-standard-having hater, get over yourself!

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's this?
Geddy Lee has more talent in one finger than all of LZ combined, and that is a fact.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, maybe that wasn't the best thing for me to say,

but I sure as hell aint the only one who can come off condescending here, thats the point…

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always love

When people take a completely subjective idea (like music preference or opinion on what is better) and act like there is a right or wrong opinion.

No matter what someone’s favorite band is, it is THE BEST to them. Who cares if you disagree?

by Joshuah on Jul 19, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

However there is a certain point where an opinion can be incorrect. Like The Beatles are better than Nickleback. You can like Nickleback better, but they just aren’t.

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's kind of like looking at a yellow wall

and saying in my opinion this wall is green.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or watching Jeff Francoeur

and saying in my opinion he’s a good baseball player.

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why does everyone hate Nickelback so much, my god

As with a lot of popular bands, you have to go further into their discography to find the good stuff, the stuff they don’t play on the radio.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 23, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're the prototypical "radio band"

it’s almost seems like they make music just to get airtime on those LiteFM stations that cater to 50-year old women listeners but also want to seem like they have and “edge” to them.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 23, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

with a lot of popular bands you don't really

have to do that. With most popular bands, that I can think of at least, while their radio hits may be more poppy they’re fair representatives of what you’ll find when you dig deeper.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 23, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at Sublime

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 24, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya know what? I'm done with you here.

I’ll just leave you with a quote from Massachusetts representative Barney Frank that describes you to a T:

“Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it!”

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 18, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can never trust people with a

last name that can also be a first name. I don’t know where I learned that from, but I’ve taken it to heart…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always liked Weiner

He’s been on the Daily Show, and he’s on other TV a lot. Seems like a cool guy.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

:\

Got me, lol

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He reminds me a bit of a "younger"

Mario Cuomo, only without the pizazz.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Story About Cuomo...

The older Cuomo. A judge in the KIngs Supreme Court I interned for in law school told me that when he was young and a lawyer working in the courts, when Mario Cuomo had a closing argument, the whole courthouse would come to a standstill. Every lawyer and judge there would either call or accept a recess and go watch, If you watch video of speeches he made not in his official capacity as governor, you can see it. He really had a gift.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 20, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

OH Lord

“He’s on the Daily Show a lot” = fit to make the laws that can send peple to prison.

We’re fuuuuuuuucked.

by tmu on Jul 19, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm saying that his being on The Daily Show

makes him a more likeable guy

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Serves to make him seem more likable"

… is probably closer to the heart of it.

’Cause there are a lot of assholes who come off nice and modest on stuff like SNL (Steinbrenner, e.g.).

by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 19, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree with this...

I’ve seen Jon Stewart take people from all sides of the spectrum to task, and it’s a much harder interview than you get anywhere else.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 20, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say Jon Stewart

is the only hard interview on TV (who plays by fair rules).

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 20, 2010 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree...

But sadly. Sad when the most probing interview comes from a guy on the comedy channel, as opposed to, ya know, a news channel. Says more about the competition than about him. He would be without a job if the news channels did their.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 20, 2010 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

it is pretty sad that the best/most objective news show on TV is a self-proclaimed “non-news program” and that its host is the only one who seems to get that it’s not his job to make/filter the news.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 20, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said

who plays by fair rules…

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 20, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ogre39666

is becoming my new favorite poster.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 21, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if you condemn FOX News

you’re a “holier-than-thou liberal elitist”.

It goes both ways.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

for truthiness

It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy

by CTRefJay on Jul 23, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

for the use of the word “truthiness”

by JoshNY on Jul 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, definitely

I didn’t mean to imply it didn’t.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 23, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was rooting for him to win the Democratic nod for mayor whenever he was running,

so we’d have angry political commercials from the Bloomberg camp targeting Weiner and the hillarity that would probably ensue.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's my favorite politician

Those last two words seem like an oxymoron, right?

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

In modern parlance, yes.

There was a time when politicians actually meant something…C’est la vie…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bonham is the greatest drummer of all time.

And I’d say I like LZ less than the AA consensus here.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we were talking about best pure drummer

I might say Mike Portnoy. I’m not a dreamtheater fan, but he is just unreal. For true rock bands I would put it between Bonham and Moon

by djg2111 on Jul 18, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is quite a good drummer

If you really listen to the drum parts on the Police songs. Lots of complicated stuff going on.

Dave Grohl is actually a pretty good drummer. He’s always doing all sorts of craziness. Not saying best or anything. And yes I know that Taylor Hawkins plays drums in current Foo Fighters.

by blains2000 on Jul 19, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it does!

And yeah he’s Bonham-esque in that way.

And no Keith Moon discussion? With his totally off the rails style which sounded like it could totally fall apart at any minute.

by blains2000 on Jul 19, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a huge Moon fan

the problem is, he couldn’t keep time. The Who were fortunate to have an insanely good and under-appreciated bassist to pick up the slack. Keith Moon was a huge part of what made The Who great, but I think of him as a different animal.

by djg2111 on Jul 19, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

the Ox laid down the true beat…Moon was improvisational (some would say sloppy)

It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy

by CTRefJay on Jul 19, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comparing Bonham and Neil Peart is apples and oranges

Just totally different styles. Both incredible in their own way.

by JoshNY on Jul 19, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

By-Tor and the Snow Dog

Is kind of an embarrassing song. Like Evan_S, I really, really, really enjoy Rush, but why do they have to be the Best Musicians Ever?

by tmu on Jul 18, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's very hard to compare

Bonham and Peart. And who has the better technical musicians ultimately doesn’t mean much if they’re playing shite. Steve Vai is a great guitarist — much better than Page or Lifeson, but who the heck wants to listen to that spandex wanker shit?

by tmu on Jul 18, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh man, this:
And who has the better technical musicians ultimately doesn’t mean much if they’re playing shite. Steve Vai is a great guitarist — much better than Page or Lifeson, but who the heck wants to listen to that spandex wanker shit?

I’ve got a few friends who are huge Phish fans and this is always the argument they resort to: “They’re such amazing, talented musicians how can you not like them?” Talent ain’t worth a shit if the music they play is terrible.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 18, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

There’s a reason we’re not all constantly listening to “Dream Theater,” even though they’re far more technically skilled than the Beatles ever were.

by tmu on Jul 18, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we pretty much agree the Beatles, the Stones and a guy like Bob Dylan,

Their greatness is tied to their god like song writing abilities, not technical superiority.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Dylan's voice is pretty terrible from an objective standpoint

but it’s his (gulp) heart and spirit that makes his music so good.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love his voice

It reflects years of joy and pain and love and hate from a lifetime of Americana. Bob Dylan rocks!

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by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

...that's what i said

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's really anything near terrible

it’s not great but it’s decent enough to the ear.

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by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's pretty bad. i mean, i love it

but it is a bit…um

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by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Dylan is horribly overrated

I just can’t get into it. I love lots of artists who love him and cite him as an influence. I can’t figure it out, so I just move on.

by tmu on Jul 18, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

even if you hate Dylan, he's one of those artists I don't think can be "overrated"

He’s been so influential that by definition, he can’t really be overrated.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's put it this way

What I hear <<<< what people tell me I’ll hear. And of course it’s all subjective.

by tmu on Jul 18, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh that's how I feel about led zeppelin

i like a lot of their songs, but not to the extent that I like them as much as most people seem too. I just assume it’s beyond the scope of my understanding and I should just respect them for their influence.

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by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are we talking about Dylan's voice *now* or back in the day?

Back in the day it was just odd and different. Now it’s pretty much shot, but that goes with the territory I guess.

by JoshNY on Jul 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm talking about back in the day

I don’t know what squid was talking about.

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by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, both.

It hasn’t aged well, but Dylan’s voice was never “good”. Again, I love his voice, but it’s not because of any technical reason.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 19, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of George Harrison's guitar playing was a bit "complex"

Ringo ain’t a good drummer, though. Not even the best drummer in The Beatles…

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm no expert

But I think Harrison was a decent guitar player. The Dream theater guy is one of these technical wizards who should donate the nerve endings in his hands to science for the betterment of the species. Can’t write a song for shit, though.

by tmu on Jul 18, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ringo was a good drummer

And perfect for the band. Seriously, if you threw Moon or Peart or someone like than in the Beatles, they’re talent would just be wasted. Harrison was a really good guitar player and Paul is a really good bassist. But they aren’t known for their technical abilities.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ringo was perfect for the band, I agree,

but he was not a very good drummer. His lack of drumming ability often caused the Beatles to find drumming prowess elsewhere. Having a heavy drum-emphasis for most of their songs wouldn’t have complemented things, I don’t think, so the ordinary rock beats that he was comfortable playing worked.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like my drumming simple

like the White Stripes. Sometimes drums just make too much annoying noise.

by EtSuKe on Jul 18, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on the band and the song, as was alluded to.

Moby Dick without good drumming would suck. But, instead it has awesome drumming, and does not.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

The drum solo live is the greatest thing ever, on the album, the rest of the song on Moby Dick is better than drum solo. C’mon, this is awesome

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I printed a picture of Moby Dick,

drew a knife in it’s hand, and sent it to my sister’s dorm, with the subtitle, “Moby Dick is coming to get you” after being inspired by the song. She kept it, and hung it up in her room, next to pictures of David Wright, John Maine, Leo Dicaprio, and other fantasy guys like that. It’s in my room right now, while she’s home for the summer.

Don’t know how that’s relevant, but I felt I’d share.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

See: Wylde, Zakk - Black Label Society version

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um

I love Rush, but they were very Zeppelin-esque through 2112. Technically, I’d say Geddy Lee is a better bass player than J.P. Jones, but the other guys are comparable. Just very, very different styles, ultimately, considering Rush’s entire body of work. I have to say, though, that Zeppelin was probably more innovative, overall. Rush was more about perfecting styles and molding them into a “rush” framework.

by tmu on Jul 18, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yawn

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked Slayer a bit more when I was younger

Still have ‘em on my Ipod, but they’re no longer in steady rotation as they were when I was in college. I guess my faves are Metallica, U2, Floyd, the Stones, and Zeppelin. Oh, and Beethoven, just to add something different to the mix.

by dcmetsfan on Jul 18, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I highly approve of Rise Against

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by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have their one song on my iPod

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had to check on wikipedia.

No mentions of Flea.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's odd. I remember seeing a Beavis and Butthead episode

and they showed The Butthole Surfers and Flea was right there performing in that video.

Hmmmm….interesting.

by BrockRocks on Jul 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

40s music?

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by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big Band, muthafucka!

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

fallout 3's repetitive music made me rage

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by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

i liked it

until like the 80th hour of hearing the same 4 songs

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by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

Not a lot of variety

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

thisthisthis

I loved the soundtrack the first three times it repeated itself…then…

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by squid92 on Jul 19, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

This reminds me of the time when on iTunes

8 straight songs I bought were from 8 different decades, and it was completely accidental.

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by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

no i actually love that type of music

i just had no idea what decade it was from

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by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

BEATLES

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 18, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Blues. They're related.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i like blues too

good music for a change

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The more bluesey Hendrix songs = win

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

any hendrix song = win

but yeah

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Treme is an awesome show

I like it, but I don’t know it well enough other than that I like it whenever I hear it.

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was the show on hbo right?

never got around to watching it. guess i should check it out

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've only seen 2 episodes so far

But the creators of The Wire can do no wrong.

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

used to be really into jazz

interests have waned recently

btw Machine Gun is one of the best Jazz album ever.

by secret defense on Jul 19, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Machine Gun

is one of the best songs, period.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

good post

been listening to this since

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

music to listen to while i laugh at anal cunt names, i love this thread

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love Jazz

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by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jazz is alright

I’m still mad they pulled the jazz station in NY for Top 40

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by Brian. on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

some favorite musical artists

New Order, Kate Bush, M83, Tim Buckley, Cocteau Twins, Can, Cluster, John Coltrane, Tindersticks, Joanna Newsom, Astor Piazzolla, Boris, Brian Eno, Terry Riley, Steve Reich, Nick Drake, Neu!, Soft Machine, Talk Talk, Belle & Sebastian, Charles Mingus, My Bloody Valentine, Boredoms, Beach House

by secret defense on Jul 19, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, no hardcore fans here?

I don’t discriminate when it comes to good music (except country, could never get into it): http://www.last.fm/user/keithprime

However, bands like Most Precious Blood, Bury Your Dead, Sworn Enemy, Throwdown, Full Blown Chaos, Killswitch Engage, and God Forbid will always be near and dear to my heart. Ditto for Pantera, Slayer, Superjoint Ritual, Goatwhore, Soilent Green, Down, Corrosion of Conformity, and Electric Wizard.

As I’ve gotten older and melllowed out, I’ve become addicted to the bands everyone has listed like Zep, Stones, Beatles and the rest. I feel like AC/DC doesn’t get enough respect for being incredible.

CKY and HIM are two of my favorite bands that might seem trendy or scenster-ish b/c of their popularity among the Hot Topic crowd due to Mr. Bam Margera, but having seen them in concern multiple times, those dudes rock the fuck out.

Dredg is a band more people should listen to. Really dig their sound and their lead singer is super cool and super nice.

Living with two Spanish roommates (one of them being my g/f) I’ve become somewhat addicted to reggaeton, namely Wisin y Yandel and Don Omar.

Also, since I haven’t seen the following mentioned, but I cannot recommend Fats Domino, T-Bone Walker, Rodrigo y Gabriella, and Shuggie Otis enough. Just great music to chill out to.

And of course, who doesn’t like Michael Jackson?

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by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be remiss if I didn't mention:

Sick of it All and Madball in that little Hardcore paragraph above. Had the pleasure of seeing both of these bands and Agnostic Front with Hatebreed and a bunch of my other favorite hardcore bands at Stillborn Fest in 2004. What a fun show…

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by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

OH!

Last post on this, promise. Anyone who lives in NYC or the NYC area should go check out Urban Sun live if you like funky rock music. Their shows are a blast and they have a great sound: http://www.urbansun.org/live/

Full disclosure: a good friend of mind is the lead guitar player, but I have a lot of friends in bands… these guys are legit and worth the effort to see.

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more "metal" than hardcore but yeah

My top 4 (in no particular order) are Lamb of God, Slipknot (I get a ton of shit about them, but I don’t care), Poison the Well, and Dethklok. Mastodon is up there too and I always enjoyed CkY.

AC/DC is IMO one of the top-10 bands ever. And Pantera with Phil Anselmo were awesome.

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I'd be remiss not to mention

that yes, Dethklok is a real band (fronted by Brendon Small with Gene Hoglan on drums). The Dethalbum is so brutal it’s not even funny.

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Slipknot was my "gateway" into metal, if you will...

but I eventually grew tired of them. Their first album still holds up though, imo. I guess my Slipknot is Soulfly.

Oh, and White Zombie does not get mentioned enough, imo. I can listen to their second album from beginning to end. The lyrical content is kind of silly (and for metal bands, that’s saying something) but man does their music get the blood pumping.

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by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were my "gateway" as well

Their latest album, All Hope Is Gone, is definitely different from what they had been doing, but it also sorta hails back to their “harder” roots. It’s a shame what happened to Paul Gray (the bassist).

And I agree completely about White Zombie. It was so heavily based in cheesy b-real horror, but still pretty awesome.

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by Ogre39666 on Jul 20, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a Mets' site

And no one has mentioned Yo La Tengo? FOR SHAME.

by tmu on Jul 18, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS!

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 18, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

A band of enormous Met fans and one of the best American bands of the last 20 years. They’ve covered Meet the Mets. They have a song referring to BUTCH HUSKEY for Chrissakes. What’s not to like?

by tmu on Jul 18, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a shame that they had such a band

but they once were using fucking Who Let the Dogs Out as their theme song

by secret defense on Jul 19, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

To this day,

I’m mad that the Mets used that song.

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by Brian. on Jul 19, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

8. The line at Shake Shack is too long.

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by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I still haven't been there.

What’s so special about it? I honestly don’t get it. Is the food really that good?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The food is pretty delicious, but it's not something you absolutely have to have

Not to mention it’s really expensive

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by Syler on Jul 18, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured it'd be really expensive. What isn't, there?

Those two factors taken into account, what’s with the massive demand? Is it the only place to get shakes, and everyone happens to be on a shake kick?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blue Smoke made me think of Blue Steel

Blue Steel makes me think of Jeff Francoeur. That is all…

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really have no clue

The shake I bought there was $7.00, and to me at least, it was no better than a shake from McDonalds

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by Syler on Jul 18, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

there are no other shakes there

and shakes are delicious

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by RangersandMets on Jul 18, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooh, I dunno

I mean, at least at Shake Shack you know that your shake was made with actual fresh dairy products. Who the hell knows what’s in a McDonalds shake?

by JoshNY on Jul 19, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the burgers

Shake Shack’s burgers are unbelievably good, in my opinion, and are a better value than most ballpark fare.

by sjohnson125 on Jul 18, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

For the West Coast-ers out there, Shake Shack burgers are In-N-Out style.

by mnbv on Jul 18, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does that mean?

And how much do said burgers cost? And, how filling are they? So many questions!!

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It means that Shake Shack must be awesome.

Because, well, In-N-Out is awesome.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 18, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, what is special about their burgers?

Never even heard of them before.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa, really?

I’ve only been to Cali once, and I’ve heard of In-N-Out.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The furthest west I've been was Cincinatti.

So, yeah…

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol that's about as far west as I've gotten

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by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you know about In-and-Out Burger?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah

but I have a lot of friends from the west coast

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by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I go to the railroad there almost every year or so.

Used to be able to stock up on my Thomas the Tank Engine toys there. Now, notsomuch. The wood ones are shit.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is special about them?

They are delicious. That’s about as special as I need them to be.

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by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 18, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

In-N-Out is amazing.

When I first moved out to LA we didn’t have a car, so I drove to In-N-Out in a our UHaul. Well worth the extra miles and gas.

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by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not amazing

I waited for it once though, and the line is too long. I feel like it should be shorter.

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by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's something they always mention.

Am I being somewhat conspiratorially minded when I say that it’s all because of the machinations of the Wilpons (or whoever) to make more money by hyping Shake Shack, by artificially creating longer lines?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't cook much

but after watching this episode with the guy from the Shake Shack, I’d like to try making burgers the way they do.

http://www.americastestkitchen.com/episodes/detail.php?docid=23145

by ol Pete on Jul 19, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

i wanted to visit during my trip to citi this year but i would have been waiting the whole game it seemed

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 18, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

I like Shake Shack burgers a lot, but if I’m paying money to go to a Mets game, I’m not going to spend three innings waiting on line to buy a burger. I can go wait in line in Madison Square Park for free.

by JoshNY on Jul 19, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cora was worth the money

He’s been great with RISP, plays solid defense, and he’s a big presence in the clubhouse. The other players, especially infielders, have been known to praise his wisdom and demeanor. When broadcasters say he’ll be a manager someday, it’s very telling of the type of guy he is. I totally agree btw, he WILL manage someday.

He has a good mix of on-and-off-field attributes that make him worth keeping around at a reasonable cost.

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by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

FAIL

Cluth is not a skill, he plays terrible defense and he’s not as big a presence in the clubhouse as Mo Vaughn was.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has a .272 OBP, doesn't hit for power, or field well

He may be a nice guy, but that doesn’t mean he’s worth $2 million

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by Syler on Jul 18, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You people can't have it both ways

I’m always hearing how a big difference in the 2006 team was “Uncle” Cliff Floyd, and how the 07-09 teams didn’t have that clubhouse guy. Well, you have one in Cora.

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by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must have us confused for Metsblog

No one here talks about the need for a clubhouse guy, and while chemistry is something that shouldn’t be totally ignored, talent should almost always weigh over it.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

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by Syler on Jul 18, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

In 06 we had Wright, Reyes, and Beltran having All-star seasons, Lo Duca, Delgado, Chavez and Valentin all having very very good seasons, solid starting pitching and a wonderful bullpen. I love Cliff, but him in the clubhouse did not make that team great.

by Evan_S on Jul 18, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

2008

-Wright, Reyes, Delgado and Beltran were great
-We had Johan

2006 was not the only season the Mets got great performances from players…

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by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 18, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bullpen in 2008 was abominable; in 2006, it was phenomenal

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Jul 18, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

And did we have

A career year from valentine? Did we have Wagner at the end of the year? Was Maine pitching well? No he was injured. Did we have that insane bp along wih career years from belt ran and Delgado. The 08 team had 4 really good players and a bunch slop minus Johan and pelf

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 18, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

where the hell do you come up with this stuff

you either state things you cant back up with facts, like francoeur is good, or accuse us of saying things we would never say

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cliff Floyd didn't suck though.

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by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let alone the damned vesting option.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 18, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You realize much much better players

Signed for less on one year deals including lopez and Johnson. They could take craps in wrights shoes and bang johans wife and the production from either of them will still override the effect Cora has on the club house, and at a CHEAPER deal for only one season

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jul 18, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lopez can pitch, too.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 18, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

lets hope not

he’d be like jerry but even more likely to bunt

"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur

by RangersandMets on Jul 18, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goddamit Geddy...

I thought you were getting somewhere. Then you defend the indefensible. And not in a good Bill Kuntsler type of way either.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I third this

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fourth this

and Rec this

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Jul 19, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hold on

Why, again, do AA readers need to arrive at consensus and decide on a course of action?

by tmu on Jul 18, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

oh no, not this again.

Look, no one NEEDS to form a consensus. But what’s wrong with him posting gripes that he has that, it’s safe to say, the majority of AA active members agree with?

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 18, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you need to feel that there's a consensus?

Is he drawing up 95 theses to nail to Wilpon’s door? There’s a certain pomp to it that’s really odd. It’s like the by-laws of an Elks Lodge. He must be ripped.

by tmu on Jul 18, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody said anyone needs to arrive at a consensus and decide on a course of action.

Nobody said that. I just thought if I made a post trying to outline in simple terms the current, widely-held gripes about how the Mets are being run this year, it might spark some interesting discussion.

I was wrong.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 19, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

you were very wrong

this thread made my brain hurt

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 19, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't mind

the off-topic course the thread took.

"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt

by Brian. on Jul 19, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow this thread blew up quick

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

We have just one idiot to thank for this.

Don’t bother taking a guess.

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 18, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frenchy must GO NOW! Can't we just waive him or something like that?

He’s a “sunk cost” or whatever other thing I can say to make me sound somewhat intelligent. heh.

But I want him GONE.

by BrockRocks on Jul 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

You and I used to defend him

It’s OK, man. I’m ashamed, too.

by tmu on Jul 18, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bygones are bygones

as long as you admit your mistakes and learn from them (which you guys seemingly have).

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's a handsome dude, I'll give you that.

Hopefully his game continues to be as good as his looks.

by BrockRocks on Jul 18, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

he always reminds me of someone and it drives me crazy

I think it might be one of the guys from nkotb

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only saw it a couple times when I was watching it with my mom,

but he reminds me of the kid who plays Michael on General Hospital. Not the red head, the one that woke up from the comma as a teenager. I don’t know if you watch it or not. But his name is real life is Drew Garrett I think.

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

looks like david wright?

youre crazy

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda does.

David Wright at age 8 or something…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

guess i cant picture him at age 8

only since he started stealing my heart at age 21

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well obviously not exactly, and this kids a LOT younger.

And anyone with eyes can tell David is better looking. But there’s a resemblance. And it wouldn’t be totally illegal for me to date this kid, so there’s that.

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Jul 19, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

i see it in the bottom of his face

they have similar lips/chins

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

any about david wright?

that would be pretty awesome

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

You clearly forget the David Wright all-star voting song

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

i must have missed that

was it on that vote for wright for all star post? i didnt read it much

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

excellent!

from setauket originally myself

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

You may have passed Gina for my favorite girl on AA.

Of course she is the only competition. But the Wright song with Journey was a favorite. See my post at the end of last night’s awful loss to the Giants for my own version of Sittin on the Dock of the Bay, about the trip to San Fran.

Actually, that’s not true. Gina is still my favorite.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is the only one I have shared publicly with the world.

The only other one I wrote down was a get well/mixture of emotions song after David’s concussion last year to the tune of Bohemian Rhapsody. No idea where it is though.

by wrightttxgirlllx3 on Jul 19, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want to laugh

but I am in no position to

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The comments are amazing!

Give idiots free access to a keyboard, though, and things are bound to be comical.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see it

it’s the eyebrows

It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy

by CTRefJay on Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd wager wrightgirl has spent WAY more time analyzing pictures of david wright

than anyone else here. If she thinks they look a like I think there must be something to it.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I completely see it.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

hijacked thread is hijacked

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I KNOW THIS WORD I KNOW THIS WORD

I forgot this word :\

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i only know that one

because an alien sings a song with it in mass effect

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 18, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

its always good to do something useful

as well as study something interesting

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Be a big money patent attorney.

Engineers should all go to law school because patent is the most enjoyable part of law.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am a patent lawyer

All you engineers should stop going to law school and flooding my job market, kthxbai.

by JoshNY on Jul 19, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha - sorry about that

I could never picture myself as an engineer, but I loved building stuff. I knew I would end up a patent attorney since junior year at college, and I’ve been working at assorted IP firms for the past few years. If you have some advice for an aspiring attorney, let me know…

by djg2111 on Jul 19, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Want some advice?

Run, run far far away. Be like a covenant and run with the land!

by MookieTheCat on Jul 20, 2010 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yuck, that is one of the worst practice areas

I’m avoiding biglaw like the plague in general for the most part, but Real estate is no fun

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Jul 22, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a tenured professor in the Department of Redundancy Department with tenure.

I can tell you that the first rule of tautology club should be “it is what it is”

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

as long as this thread is completely chaos now...

is tomorrow the day that finally finally we get our full and complete line up, with jose, pagan, beltran, wright, ike, bay, and castillo ?

by justjay on Jul 18, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

OK so I guess we have some more gripes:

9) Nickelback has a lot of songs that sound similar

10) I don’t like Led Zeppelin

11) This thread isn’t about the Gregorian calendars.

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 18, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

10) You are unbelievable that you don’t like Zep.

by BrockRocks on Jul 18, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Gregorian

how come nobody here is as passionate about the man’s chants as they are about the Beatles, Zeppelin, Rush, etc.?

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gregorian chants were actually revolutionary at the time!

One of about three things I remember from Music 101 that was needed to satisfy mandatory credits. Before Gregorian chants, in the Western World, music basically consisted of singular notes, and no chords or harmony or anything, because that sort of things was regarded as sinful and blasphemous. The Gregorian chant turned the status quo on it’s head, and lead to things like (scandalous!) illuminations on manuscripts!

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I took a similar music course last fall

Best. Class. Ever. Mostly because my professor was the coolest/nicest/funniest dude ever.

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

My teacher was a douche

His name was “Paget”, and he went on a 10-minute tirade the first day of class when someone called him “Paget” (pronouncing the ‘T’), instead of “Paget” (Pa-jay, French-like). Smug bastard, too.

I can kinda get being burned out, teaching music in a school dedicated to criminalistics and all, but still…

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I seriously would take any class that dude taught

He knew what he was talking about, more so than many professors I’ve had. He clearly loved the subject and really cared about the students. He was cool, laid back, as funny as hell. I actually looked forward to getting up at 6:45 AM to go to class. It was weird.

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

12) Anal Cunt has the best song names ever.

13) Thrash metal is the greatest!

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 19, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

look them up now, you will laugh for a good 10 minutes, guaranteed.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Your Kid Committed Suicide Because You Suck" was supposed to be about Eric Clapton.

It was originally titled “Connor Clapton Committed Suicide Because His Father Sucks,” but they changed it due to the stringent libel laws in England, and the album was about to be sold in England at the time. Also, it was out of fear of a lawsuit.

Some of those songs touch a nerve, especially ones related to Nazism and the Holocaust, but my faves are the misogynistic titles, like “You’re Pregnant, So I Kicked You In The Stomach.”

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 19, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

It didn’t work cause nobody has ever heard of them.

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOTS of people have heard of them

and I doubt they really care.

And I meant funny as in “I know I really shouldn’t be laughing at this” funny.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

.
And I meant funny as in "I know I really shouldn’t be laughing at this" funny.

Same here. Exactly.

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 19, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

lots of bands have a lot of songs that sound similar

"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur

by RangersandMets on Jul 19, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

AC/DC, for instance

but the difference is that AC/DC’s songs all sound awesome and Nickelback’s songs all suck.

by JoshNY on Jul 19, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ramones are another example

but they’re in the R&R HOF. So there.

It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy

by CTRefJay on Jul 19, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except Burn It To The Ground and Animals

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually like Nickelback

Yeah, I admitted it. At this point it has swung around so hard that I think it is now cool to admit you like Nickelback. Okay, maybe not. Ready for all flaming arrows!

by blains2000 on Jul 19, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!

1st of all AC/DC is not hair metal
2nd of all AC/DC is a great and influential hard-rock band; Nickleback is neither.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

my bad

I had AC/DC confused with GNR.

by secret defense on Jul 19, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,

anyway I find AC/DC pretty boring and dated as well.

by secret defense on Jul 19, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

their vocals annoy me

and their songs do nothing for me in terms of melody or lyrics. That said, their hard rock contemporaries are equally boring if not worse.

by secret defense on Jul 20, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

because those just aren't very good songs?

I just don’t care for hard rock in general. I find them overbearing and obnoxious. On the bright side, hard rock and prog rock’s suckiness did provoke the rise of post-punk/new wave/alternative rock.

by secret defense on Jul 20, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just had to say
I just don’t care for hard rock in general

and I would’ve understood.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 20, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 20, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

they are both

Compared to all the great music coming out around the 70’s (like Roxy Music, Big Star, Can, Faust, Cluster, Popol Vuh, Eno, The Soft Machine, Bowie, Suicide, Talking Heads, Blondie, etc) they are dull, and it doesn’t help to be as overplayed.

by secret defense on Jul 20, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

With some exception to a few things on your list..

I agree. You should have included Kraftwerk and their kind as well. That said, I once requested Highway to Hell the one time I got to make a request on the air (on K-Rock with Maria Melito, no less), it was Highway to Hell.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 20, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, forgot about Kraftwerk

you can also include Neu!, Amon Duul II, and Tangerine Dream as well.

by secret defense on Jul 20, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh, to each his own I guess

a lot of that stuff really doesn’t do it for me. I know I’m a blasphemer but I never saw the big deal about Bowie, for instance.

by JoshNY on Jul 21, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Misfits

"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."

by keithprime on Jul 19, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're going to need some sort of formal recap for this thread when it's over

because it’s more eventful than most games the Mets play anyway

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Damn, this thread blew up in a hurry

Since some songs were posted up above, here’s one

"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt

by Brian. on Jul 19, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

That's a pretty damn good song. I need to download it.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

fan of the marley's too

and nas, hes like half man half amazing

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

i have an actual consensus gripe

dan warthen sucks

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

from what i can tell

the troll left awhile ago and its been pleasant conversation since.

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's the endgame here?

Do we eliminate all off-topic discussions? Do we push off-topic discussions to an off-topic thread in the FanPosts and steer folks there if they want to talk about non-baseball topics?

Music, while divisive, is pretty clearly a different animal than politics/religion. Maybe the solution is just to move those conversations out of the baseball threads.

by Eric Simon on Jul 19, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe you can set up like one off topic thread in the FanPosts every week

for music, TV, movies, news, other sports, etc

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 19, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

these discussions just come up randomly though

we wouldnt have had them if someone ask didnt everyone their favorite music

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

but most people just want to read and discuss baseball here and conversations like the one that erupted in this thread, while enjoyable to a small number of people, make it harder for baseball fans to talk about baseball.

Case in point: someone sees this perfectly nice post about things most people dislike about the Mets and wants to talk about it, well, they basically can’t because 99% of the discussion here is about music.

by Eric Simon on Jul 19, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

well they can just press shift+a

and then make a comment on whatever their gripe is (in this case)

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

basically

i just dont think people would use the random fanshot much, but i may be way wrong

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Jul 19, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

boooooooorn freeeeeeee

as free as the wind bloowwwwwwws

by JoshNY on Jul 19, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eric, never look an alternate revenue stream in the mouth

introducing… Eric Simon’s freshman_dorm_chat.com! I think you could get Geico interested in that.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jul 19, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you regarding the slippery slope.

I don’t want to kill the community aspect here, but a daily open thread or off-topic thing would be a help—cut down on the thread hijacking.

Anyone who wants to expound on the virtues of Rush or the Beatles could do so therein.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 19, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now that I think about it

An off-topic FanShot may be the way to go. We get enough FanShots that the OT one wouldn’t hog up too much space, even if there was a new one every day or two.

by Eric Simon on Jul 19, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe user "Sitebot" can load it up each day

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 19, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

No.

Bad idea. Let the threads exist. It’s a conversation. Although I, like many others, didn’t like wading through the music stuff, it was 1130 PM on a Sunday night. We always come back to baseball.

Once you start trying to micromanage content, even with the best intentions, it will invariably have bad results.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 19, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it doesn't happen all that often

and it’s easy enough to just quickly scroll past. Maybe people who post a topic and then have their thread taken over don’t like it, though.

by SuperT on Jul 19, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

the offtopic thread would have like 4000 comments within a week

and no one would be able to load it

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

do they play any version of Meet the Mets now?

I went to my first game of the season last weekend. I dont remember hearing it!

A few years ago I had a weekend package, and in the section I sat there was a group of fans that would belt out the 2nd verse after the 1st one was done. It was one of the greatest things ever.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 19, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was in that group of fans. Section 23 at Shea.

They don’t play it regularly. It’s pretty much only on occasion, but I can’t figure out what those occasions are.

“Oh the butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where do they go? To meet the Mets!”

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 19, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell yeah

section 23. that was a great summer!

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard it before a game once this year

I’ve only been to 3 games though.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 19, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

In that case we should add ps3 vs 360

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

360 RULEZ!!!

Is that what we’re doing now?

by blains2000 on Jul 19, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a fantastic song.

And it’s criminal that Radiohead wasn’t mentioned earlier in this thread. OK Computer is the best album of all-time.

by yellomellojello on Jul 19, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

on that note

I submit The Black Keys as my favorite band right now. Not the best, of course, but my favorite.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 19, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy

by CTRefJay on Jul 19, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

Had never heard of them until one of their songs was used as the theme music for the HBO show “Hung” (which is awesome BTW) but they play some real solid blues-rock.

My favorite band right now is… hmm. Tough call. I’m on the fence between Los Campesinos! and Shout Out Louds.

by JoshNY on Jul 19, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i saw them a few years ago

they are great live and have great albums

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 19, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I approve

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 23, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow this has been a weird thread

I haven’t really thought about Barajas, but we need to dump him. Blanco is better defensively so would be better as a backup, and it’s not like he’s needed to tutor Thole because Blanco can also do that.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Jul 19, 2010 7:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Thread summary:

FRENCHY IS AWSUM
LED ZEPPLEN IS OVERRATED
DAVID WRIGHT IS HOT

You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.

by Kevin H on Jul 19, 2010 7:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Sounds about right.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Jul 19, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

My gripe?

The phrase “general consensus”. A consensus is, by definition, a general agreement. The Squad Squad would like a word with you.

It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy

by CTRefJay on Jul 19, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

no worries

we members of the Squad Squad, though douchey, are lenient

It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy

by CTRefJay on Jul 19, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, this thread got way off topic

So who else wants to talk about PS3 vs. Xbox 360?

Or which season of The Wire is best? (I still love S.1 the most)

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Jul 19, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, for a season

but the scene featuring Omar, Brother Mouzone, and Stringer Bell is my favorite scene in television history.

by jadelane on Jul 19, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got a 360

I still think they’re inferior.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

IT'S BACK ON DIRECTV CHANNEL 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They showed “The Target” last night in glorious HD.

by Evan_S on Jul 19, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

BEST OF 2010

This is the best article I’ve read this year about what is going wrong with the Mets. No name calling, no axes to grind, just facts plain & simple. Pointing out Minaya’s lack of timing & judgment in trades & signings makes you wonder how they’re even still in contention despite his ineptitude. Especially liked pointing out the Rangers’ interest in Barajas. Would have been nice to bolster the bullpen with Chris Ray as the Giants did.

by MDMETSFAN on Jul 19, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I think something

John missed was the conception that the Wilpons are “cheap.” I think most here agree that the Wilpons don’t spend their money wisely, but I don’t think they’re cheap.

"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt

by Brian. on Jul 19, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

There are many things I didn't mention

because of the strict requirements on near-consensus. (GeddyLeeIsGod, a new member with atypical views for AA, doesn’t count). I don’t even think there is agreement that the Mets’ injury problems can be blamed on Ray Ramirez. In fact, I don’t think that’s right, or at least I don’t know enough to make that claim.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 19, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did Blown Game-rod not make that list?

Hes been ok. But when he blows a game…he blows the game. A 5 run lead, not safe, yesterday a 2 run lead, NOT SAFE! Christ my level of stress goes from usual mets stress to stroke levels when bbrod walks in

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jul 19, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Organizational Issues

Agree completely with the consensus gripes. However, and I apologize if this has been addressed already, our problems go much deeper than Jerry and Omar. This kind of incompetence starts at the top, namely the Wilpons. Why would anyone with a desirable track record in the general and field management disciplines want to risk their reputation working for this mess of an organization? It can’t just be about the money.

by ColoradoMetsFan on Jul 19, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah I think most people agree

there’s just nothing to be done short of raising a few billion to buy the team.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they could take the team public!

I’d buy some shares. In the market the Mets are in they have to be a good long-term investment even if current institutional issues are making them suck.

by Nomenclaturist on Jul 21, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't the Packers try that a while ago?

Anybody know if they were they successful?

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 21, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

So far, I suppose.

Green Bay Packers, Inc., with about 112,000 shareholders, owns the team.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 22, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

from Wikipedia:

“The Packers are the only non-profit, community-owned major league professional sports team in the United States”

It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy

by CTRefJay on Jul 22, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two what?

The Mets already have 2 world championships. Make it three?

by Nomenclaturist on Jul 22, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it me, or are we all thrown off by west coast trips?

I want the game to start now, not three hours from now. That’s my stance.

It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy

by CTRefJay on Jul 19, 2010 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

YES

i was in such a rage when I saw the game didn’t start till 9:45. I HAVE THINGS TO DO MLB.

and between this our bullpen and AZ’s bullpen this game won’t end till 1.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 19, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh ...we can add another general complaint:

K-Rod sucks. he is “The Man, of the Clutch Blown Save”

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Jul 20, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

2.68 ERA

3:1 K:BB ratio

http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog

by metsguy234 on Jul 23, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

rofl so he's had a good season?

Man oh man, peripherals aside, he’s blown like six saves and flirts with disaster each and every time out. Every time I watch Leo Nunez, who’s making about as much money as a ShopRite clerk compared to K-Rod, close out the 9th in easy fashion, I realize how stupid it makes the Mets look.

Yes, I like Jeff Francoeur and listen to WFAN. No, I am not a troll.

by GeddyLeeIsGod on Jul 24, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

This has GOT to be the longest thread of comments on a fanpost I have ever seen

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III

by Chris McKeown on Jul 24, 2010 1:15 AM EDT reply actions  

When you have as many memes as AA does

comment threads in the 100s aren’t that hard.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jul 24, 2010 5:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't believe so, no. We've had bigger, longer ones.

Especially when R.A. Dickey is pitching.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 24, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have had longer, though.

The big ones like this tend to go wildly off-topic. I actually forgot what it was about, what with all the music debating going on, so I did a double-take when I read metsguy234’s complaint about the long lines at Shake Shack.

May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 25, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is completely off-topic, but this thread is a monster anyway.

My sister is going to the game on Friday

A) R.A. Dickey is pitching.
B) Her new boyfriend is a Phillies fan, and I’m forcing that sonofabitch to wear my Beltran jersey to the game (in exchange for me, you know, accepting him and all that). I feel happy.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 27, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Responses...

1. Your sister should run. Didn’t you say once that she’s in college? My college girlfriend was a Phillies fan. Trust me.
2. Even worse if he would wear a Mets jersey while a Phillies fan. I would never wear a Phillies jersey, except perhaps if I lost a drunken bet and shaving my head or something wasn’t on the table as an alternative. This is a bad sign.

by MookieTheCat on Jul 29, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not that much of an asshole, so far.

He’s a Phillies fan since always (meaning 2007+). Plus, I think he’s from like S. Carolina or something, and just happened to have a family move there- he has some kind of weird accent, and I don’t think it’s a Philly one (if they have them).

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 31, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahahaahaha.

Then he’s probably ok. And looking forward to a lot of years of suffering. Joining the legion of fans of a team like the Phillies at their peak is tantamount to asking for 20 years of pain. Kind of like when I became a Mets fan in 1985.

by MookieTheCat on Aug 1, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

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