Diamondbacks 4, Mets 3: You're Doing It Wrong
by Eric Simon on Jul 22, 2010 2:32 AM EDT
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PrintIt didn't have to happen this way. It might've happened anyway, but not like this. The only explanation for allowing Oliver Perez to pitch the 12th inning and, after narrowly escaping that fame, to start the 13th inning as well, and to bring in Fernando Nieve to finish things off, is that Jerry Manuel actually thought it gave the Mets the best chance of winning the game. That need be the only consideration on almost any night, particularly after losing five of six to begin the second half and trying to avoid being swept by the last-place Diamondbacks. It can be distilled to a very simple question:
Is using Oliver Perez and then Fernando Nieve here our best move? Would we be more likely to win by bringing in someone else?
Okay, two simple questions, but one strikingly simple point. What possible rationale could you have for using your very worst pitcher instead of arguably your best? On a night when your two closest rivals have already lost, in the middle of a road trip that could wind up burying your season, you have your best reliever just a phone call away and instead you raise a creaky left hand and signal for Oliver Perez. Oliver Perez! Whatever you're doing there, you're doing it wrong. You are a bad manager. You are Jerry Manuel.
Poem by Howard Megdal
Somewhere in another land
With cheering crowds and outcomes grand
The Mets avoid a D'Backs sweep
Us fans back east could get some sleep
And in this land of alternative fate
K-Rod is used before it's too late
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Big winners: Raul Valdes, +45.0% WPA, Oliver Perez, +15.6% WPA
Big losers: Ike Davis, -23.1% WPA, Fernando Nieve, -20.6% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Reynolds LIDP in eighth, +21.2% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Snyder's merciful single in 14th, -28.3% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: +63.4% WPA
Total batter WPA: -113.4% WPA
GWRBI!: Chris Snyder
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by isles732; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
| Num | Name | # of Posts |
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| 1 | isles732 | 121 |
| 2 | TheKid08 | 120 |
| 3 | Syler | 111 |
| 4 | Kepler | 109 |
| 5 | CTRefJay | 101 |
| 6 | MookieTheCat | 94 |
| 7 | FrancoTAU | 89 |
| 8 | Brian. | 86 |
| 9 | Mike Clemente | 77 |
| 10 | lstorie1971 | 77 |
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Only explanation
He didn’t want to bring in Frankie because he was too worn out from warming up so many times.
Word
Whatever you’re doing there, you’re doing it wrong. You are a bad manager. You are Jerry Manuel.
(Yes, I know I need to update an include a clause for Dusty Baker)
by Evan_S on Jul 22, 2010 2:35 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
unless you just assume him and Dusty are sharing half a brain
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
You can add the branch to the No side or you can be lazy and just change it to
Jerry Manuel/Dusty Baker everywhere. I kind of like it the way it is though even though I think Dusty is just as bad.
last action hero?
good movie
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
basically i havent seen it since i was like 10
i thought it was good then though
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
basically he only had krod left, right? and dickey i guess
aside from the two questions posted, the bigger question that needs to be asked is what the fuck is this roster we have – no bench, useless relievers and jerry manuel in charge
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
The "no bench" point can't be overstated
this team has NO bench, at all, except Thole who should be starting anyway.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jul 22, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
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When asked Thursday if he had entered the World Cup pool, Carter said: "No. I need to hit more home runs."
um no
but someone else. this roster is as if they didnt even care and jerry, i mean i havent listened to the last 3 games but if he had krod up a ton again then thats just further proof he cant learn and needs to be replaced. i dont need any new disaster to reassure me that he is the wrong man to manage a baseball team
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
megdal for magnesium?
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
Jerry needs to go
seriously, this guy is worse than Randolph, and he did a better job before getting canned.
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"It ain't going to be pretty. No fine is going to be big enough. No suspension is going to be long enough." ~Gary Sheffield
Say what you will about Jerry's bullpen management (it was completely moronic) but this game again falls on the offense
2 hits in 8 innings off of the worst bullpen in baseball…..nothing more to say
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
by Syler on Jul 22, 2010 3:46 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This
Granted I was long asleep when this game ended, but blaming the bullpen and bullpen management when the bullpen gave up 1 run over 9 innings seems kind of silly/petty. Ya gotta score a couple more runs.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
yeah Bay and Dubs were 0/11 with 7 K's
thats pathetic. Don’t blame the pen or Jerry (hi, I hate Jerry btw)
Total Batter WPA: -113.4%
That’s a lot of batters sucking.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
we lost a game and change, all in one night
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jul 22, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
That pretty much describes this road trip so far.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
a more succinct description would be atrocious
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jul 22, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The Mets lineup
are leading the league in sucking percentage…
How about an Orange Monster at Citi Field for Bay?
by Mets-Suns-Texans on Jul 22, 2010 6:22 AM EDT reply actions
He waited 13 innings
How about scoring a run against the Diamondsucks?
Pelfrey, Niese, Dickey, Santana sure sounds like a great playoff rotation, don't it? Let's Go Mets!
can we fire hojo now
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Fire everbody in the FO and the coaches.
Force the Wilpons to sell the Mets to Proky and say trade BELTRAN And Reyes even JOHAN Santana could be had for a 3 or 4 Young Prospects.
"We're going to be wearing a bullseye. But that's what you play for," Wade said. "We enjoy the bullseye. Plus, there's going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games."
by jasperjarrod on Jul 22, 2010 7:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It seems fitting
that I woke up with no power at home today
It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy
What is the "joke" I'm missing here?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 22, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He's referencing
some dumb-ass Bleacher Report article that said the Mets were the “frontrunners of the NL East.” He posted the same thing yesterday.
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
Ah ha. That's where it's from.
I’ve seen it a few times but didn’t know the source or, uh, “joke” there.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 22, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
4 for 43
That’s what the offense did if you exclude Pagan’s 3 for 5. The bullpen which gave up 1 run in 9 innings.
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