The Greatest Trade Rumor In Baseball History
by Sam Page on Jul 25, 2010 8:14 PM EDT
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A rundown of the relevant parties:
- Oliver Perez, owed $24/2: Arguably the worst pitcher in baseball, Perez has Steve Blass Disease, minus the connotation of once having good control. Perez allows more homeruns and walks at a per-nine-inning pace than Cliff Lee will allow in the next 5 years.
- Luis Castillo, owed $12/2: Castillo's only skill is plate discipline. After losing most of the joint function in both of his knees, his other two abilities, hitting infield singles and fielding, became impossible.
- Jeff Francoeur, owed 1/$5 (arb. eligible): Despite consistently being the worst rightfielder in baseball for several years, Mets fans are convinced he would be make a good fourth outfielder on a championship team. He's practically Endy Chavez's cousin: no plate discipline, no speed, mediocre power, average fielder, average contact hitter.
- Gil Meche, owed $12/1: Meche was a pretty good pitcher until ex-Royals' manager Trey Hillman made him throw 200 pitches a game starting in 2008. Now, his contract isn't the only number he and Ollie have in common:
- Kyle Farnsworth, owed $10/2 (option in '11): T3h Pr0f3ss0r is the only useful player in this bunch. He throws about 100 mph in no particular direction, which gives him about 50/50 chance of throwing a strike on any given pitch or having a good year in an particular season.
- Jose Guillen, owed 2/$24: Way overpaid, certainly not a starter on a team serious about contending, and prone to the occasional Iron Sheik-esque rant, Jose Guillen is certainly better than Jeff Francoeur.
The funniest part about this whole proposed-trade is that, if it happened straight-up three-for-three, the Mets would probably be the winners. Winners, though, only in the sense that they'd have cleared some bad contracts in preparation of building next year's roster. If you bother to consider next year's payroll obligations--Bay for $18M, Beltran for $20M, Rodriguez for $12M, Cora for $2M--it's apparent that having a few extra million or ten was never this team's problem.
This trade would just be two organizations flaunting their ignorance to the rest of the baseball world, taking their three biggest failures each and putting them on a pedestal.
I'm just worried they might try to swap urinal cakes too, but hit a snag when Kauffman's are discovered to come from a cheaper distributer.
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Wouldn't this increase our payroll obligations for next year?
Assuming we non-tender Francoeur, we owe 18mil to Castill/Perez for next year. If we make this trade we owe Meche, Guillen, Farnsworth 29mil. This would in fact be a step in the wrong direction if you ask me.
If it was just Farnsworth and Meche coming here and the same three going to KC sign me up though.
like i always say
trade castillo, francouer, and the albatross for a couple of maple bats and scented cars fresheners.
And... It's outta here!!!
No it's not
Perez is useless and Meche could be somewhat servicable when he gets healthy.
Francoeur is the worst RF in baseball who will certainly be non-tendered and can be had for nothing in the offseason.
There is absolutely no reason for KC to make this trade. Then again, Dayton Moore is an imbicile so you never know.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Obviously, having money to spend isn't the only problem
But it’s clear it was a problem. $10 million is probably what stopped us from signing Joel Pineiro last offseason.
Plus, getting rid of Castillo means the Mets can finally sign a competent 2nd baseman, which would provide a great upgrade for this team.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Guillen's contract ends after this season.
You put 2/$24. I guess Castilo’s 6 mil next year makes up for the difference in salaries between Guillen and Frenchy. Without considering contacts, Meche>Perez, Guillen>Frenchy, and Farnsworth and Castillo aren’t really comparable, but Farnsworth is decent.
Unfortunately, we do.
The Royals get him, they see close up that he can’t hit for shite, nontender him, and Omar signs him for 3/20!
It can happen here.
I think this is the Contest's ultimate showdown
Minaya vs Moore. One deal. 6 awful players swapped. And I am actually kind of intrigued…this is certainly not the Francoeur for Greinke deal of our dreams, but in my mind, this is a win just by getting out of those contract obligations of Perez and Castillo. Given that Guillen and Farnsworth are potentially free agents at season’s end and having good years (for their standards) and Meche is most likely better than Ollie, this is a solid deal. Just as long as we don’t re-sign them to dumber contracts or decide to throw in Mejia or something.
It’d be nice to actually be able to get a real 2Bman though.
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So IF this does happen
Who plays 2B? Do we give Ruben Tejada the gig full time? Does Cora get his vest in record time?
Either way,
we’re looking at a 550 OPS from 2b for the rest of the year.
Why the shot at Endy Sam?
otherwise great news. Maybe we can play the Royals after the trade in a true suckfest series. This trade actually makes no sense for either team. That is what makes it so great.
I would guess he was being sarcastic
and given the payroll it would free up for next year, and given the fact that we’d be removing three of our worst players, I see some logic from the Mets side.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
I really don't want Jose Guillen on this team
but to get rid of Perez, Castillo and Francour, I would swallow it.
This
is incredible. They have to pull the trigger if they can. I’ll take Tejada at 2nd for the rest of the year if Meche is #5, Tak2 back in the pen with Farnsworth and Jose Guillen is backing up the corners.
To clarify
If the Wilpons have to put their hand in their pocket a bit this year in order to save money next year while marginally improving (or at least making more entertaining) the 2010 Mets, I will take it.
The players mentioned in this trade just make me sad...
Still though, if it can be done, I’d do it.
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 25, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
As a sheer 3-for-3 this'd be a win for the Royals
Meche-Perez is a push. Both suck and have 2 yrs/24 mil left.
That leaves Luis Castillo and Jeff Francoeur for Kyle Farnsworth and Jose Guillen.
I believe Francoeur has more value than Guillen, also Frenchy is making less and we can get rid of him after this year.
Now that leaves us with Castillo and Farnsworth. Castillo is a normally solid-hitting second baseman, who is (sorry haters) undoubtedly better than Alex Cora, Ruben Tejada, Justin Turner, or anyone else we’d use instead of him. Farnsworth is a shitty reliever with no control.
http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog
Farnsworth is a shitty reliever with no control.
3.10 FIP last year, 3.23 FIP this year, 3.65 ZiPS projected FIP = shitty. And just look at the stats, Meche is better than Ollie, and it’s not really that close. Guillen is better than Francoeur, but his contract makes him a worse value. Guillen deal is only one year though, and Castillo $6 mil next year and Farnsworth $0 mil actually gives the Mets more moneys. ~$6 mil Guillen this year vs. ~$2.5 mil Francoeur this year + $6 mil for Castillo next year.
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This is what I get for taking my friend’s opinion on this hypothetical trade as gospel.
http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog
I have to disagree
Meche is injured right now, but when healthy, he’d have to better than Perez by default.
Also, Guillen is worth 1.4 WAR this season. Francoeur has NEGATIVE value. Guillen is also a FA after this season.
Finally, Farnsworth has had a great year. 2.38 ERA, 3.23 FIP. Castillo is a powerless gimp whose only metric of value is his patience. As someone else already noted, his defense is terrible, and he can barely get the ball out of the infield at this point. Plus, as Gina pointed out to me, his wOBA is under .300, which means he’s terrible.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
by Syler on Jul 25, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Off topic but I think tonight is the Night Jerry gets fired
Maybe not but I definitely think HoJo gets fired Omar would not say that anyone on the staff was safe
I would think Jerry getting fired
is always on topic.
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 25, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything happens, I would bet it happens tomorrow in NY
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
There's some very real threat of it.
Jerry gripping the dugout grate at the end of the game was symbolic. I’m hoping anyways.
by FrancoTAU on Jul 25, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Adjusting for remaining salary
Oliver Perez, owed $24/2 →18m left
Luis Castillo, owed $12/2 → 9m left
Jeff Francoeur, owed 1/$5 → 2.5m left
Gil Meche, owed 1/$12 → 6m left
Kyle Farnsworth, owed $10/2 ($5.25M club option ($0.5M buyout)) → 2.75m left
Jose Guillen, owed 2/$24 → 18m left
Comparing by position:
Ollie for Meche = Mets save 12m (WAR -1.0 vs 0.2)
Francoeur for Guillen = Royals save 15.5m (WAR -0.1 vs 1.4)
Castillo for Farnsworth = Mets save 6.25m (WAR 0.3 vs 0.6)
Mets save 2.75m total. Save money, get rid of 2 negative WAR players and receive a decent reliever (lol sentence structure), a DH and a DL.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
Guillen is a FA after this season
He signed a 3 year deal after 2007
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Recap
Oliver Perez, owed $24/2 →18m left
Luis Castillo, owed $12/2 → 9m left
Jeff Francoeur, owed 1/$5 → 2.5m left
Gil Meche, owed 2/$24 → 18m left
Kyle Farnsworth, owed $10/2 ($5.25M club option ($0.5M buyout)) → 2.75m left
Jose Guillen, owed 1/$12 → 6m left
Comparing by position:
Ollie for Meche = Same contract (WAR -1.0 vs 0.2)
Francoeur for Guillen = Royals save 3.5m (WAR -0.1 vs 1.4)
Castillo for Farnsworth = Mets save 6.25m (WAR 0.3 vs 0.6)
Mets save 2.75m total. Save money, get rid of 2 negative WAR players and receive a decent reliever, a DH and a DL.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
Why would KC make a trade where they took on 2.75 mil and got worse?
Not happening. This is a small market team with no hope of contending anytime soon. They also have one of the cheapest owners in baseball.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
There are so many ways to spin this.
They are willing to trade for Francoeur. Do they really think they are getting worse? They probably think Francoeur is awesome with all those HR and ribbies, not to mention his cannon arm. DM loves former Braves. It wouldn’t surprise anyone if DM included Gordon or Kila in this sort of trade. If you include Farnsworth option, it doesn’t save money anymore.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
If the Royals include Gordon
it would be really fucking sweet.
Sorry for the language. It just felt appropriate.
And I realize that Moore is an idiot
But there is NO reason to trade for him unless the Mets pick up the tab. He is getting non-tendered and there is no other team aside from the Royals that would consider him a starter, so he will sign there anyway.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
He is only 26
He just needs a change of scenery. He has a new approach. He plans to mix in 50-60 walks and steal 25 bases. He’s stopped listening to all the voices around him. He needs to play everyday to be effective. Etc.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 25, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I read the first few words of that
without seeing who had posted it, and spat my tea everywhere. Had me.
Is there any chance Guillen is a Type B FA?
If we could get a pick for him leaving that would be awesome.
But what if he accepts?
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by All Shook Down on Jul 25, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Or eat it
like we will have to with Ollie anyway next year, except we will have got a little bit of positive WAR in the meantime
He could actually be a nice bat to have off the bench
albeit an expensive bat, but still.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
ok i messed up the original contract numbers
got guillen and meche confused. Guillen walks after this year, Meche has another 12M. whatever
Down Low Deal of the Century
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by cuseindahuse on Jul 25, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Omar is an idiot savante
Does this raise the bar of expectations and Omar winzs or raise the bar of ‘expectations’ and Omar wins
(throws coins to the ground)
Well, I think most of us have no expectations for anything positive at this point
so by default, Omar “wins” (we all lose though)
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
The Royals are just plain sad.....
Jose Guillen might be insane, but he’s a pretty good player. Better then Frenchy at least. The Professor is actually good in the NL too, so that probably would be a win for the Mets as well.
And to take a flyer on Meche vs. Perez…well, that goes without saying. Jerry actually worries about pitch counts right? If he does, Meche stands to do better in the NL as well.
Go New York Go!
All things being equal, i'll take the pitcher that's been terrible in the AL
over the pitcher that’s been terrible in the NL.
i think a pretty good player is overstating Guillen
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Please happen
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
DO IT OMAH!!!
When asked Thursday if he had entered the World Cup pool, Carter said: "No. I need to hit more home runs."
We get better layers and we get better financialy
Plus Gil Meche’s contract would be easier to trade then Ollie’s in the off-season
Francoeur and Ollie
for Greinke.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
How bout Bay for Podsednik as well?
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 25, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Jul 25, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
*hell no
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
*No fucking way in hell no
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Jul 25, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, damn!
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 25, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
this is easily the greatest trade ever
also I hope Omar was too busy working on this deal to be in on the Haren trade. That would just make this ten times better.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Didn't Haren have a no trade clause?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
cots doesn't have anything about one listed
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
This is what makes me so sad about the Mets
Everyone else is getting all this good press during the trade deadline, the Angels went out and got a (potentially) very good pitcher, so did the Rangers and what are the Mets doing?
Getting rid of this guy: 
for the guy on top:
look at the Grission difference, though
it's gotta be +5 wins
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Jul 25, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He is useful if we get in to a brawl
Beast
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Ambiorix Burgos is in prison, but if he still was in the bullpen...
Nobody better fuck with us…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 26, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
The family rep
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 26, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And our manager will cut your ass
Bring it on, baseball
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
In a pyramid of baseball Grission
Farns is at the tippy top.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Farnsy is a monster
I kinda want him on the Mets. He’s like 6’6" , 240 lbs. of pure muscle.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 25, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Body slams him
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
But he also has a sensitive, intellectual side
by James Kannengieser on Jul 25, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
A serious intellectual side indeed
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone put on some Farnsy glasses to this please:
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Best I could do on short notice.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
by squid92 on Jul 26, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thank you
Awesome.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Any of you guys read the ESPN the Mag article about his rep?
People are legit scared of him, even guys in his own clubhouse. They think he knows Karate, Muay Thai, Jiu-Jitsu… The scary thing is that they’re right about at least one of those.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Bloody Reds guy looks like Pelf with facial hair
Farnsworth-Blanco would be the scariest battery in MLB. No question.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 25, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus he uses Old Spice Odor Blocker Body Wash
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 25, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
P-P-P- Power!!!!
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That's Grission defined
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Jul 25, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I would get this done for the sake of Farnsworth himself
he is exactly what this team needs. No nonsense to the MAXIMUM. He will gladly crack your skull open should you say a “your mom” joke to him. As for our guys, I want Ollie off this team so bad it hurts, and the same could be said for Frenchy and even Luis.
Consequences will never be the same.
I'm not sure if busting heads
is what this team needs. I mean what if David Wright says a “your mom” joke?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Jul 25, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I honestly think Farnsy could be a guy to give our guys a no BS attitude. Assuming Jerry still has a job, I think Kyle would have a serious issue with Jerry chuckling after a loss. No funny business.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No, this is what this team needs:
-For Wright to stop King at pitches half way off the plate, and to start walking again
-For Beltran to do something offensively
-For Ike to stop imitating Wright
-For Reyes to stop imitating Francoeur
-For Francoeur to not exist
-For Bay to stop being a singles hitter
-For our 2nd baseman to magically not suck
-For our manager to stop acting like a brain dead douchenozzle
-For Pelfrey to start throwing his splitter
-For management to realize that Perez is inherently useless in any fashion
-For Barajas to be launched into the sun
I doubt a “bad ass” middle of the road reliever is going to change much
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Farnsworth helps just a wee bit I think
Then we can move on to this list.
…..We are really terrible.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope the Royals don't read this site
you’re gonna put the kibosh on the whole deal! Shhhhhhhhushhhhhhh.
I wonder if they read Royal Review
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Jul 25, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if they watch Royals games
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OLIVER MUST STAY!!!!!!!!!!!
We cough NEEEEEEED Oliver Perez if we have any chance of winning! HOW CAN THE METS EVEN THINK OF TTRADING HIM!?!?!? couuuuugh And for who, Farnsworth?!?!?!? THIS IS A JOKE!!!!!!!!!! cough
Pelfrey, Niese, Dickey, Santana sure sounds like a great playoff rotation, don't it? Let's Go Mets!
by ZaBlanc on Jul 25, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
getting rid of Perez and Castillo
a year before their contracts are up is a huge addition by distraction, I don’t even care what the return is. It frees up Havens to maybe start by the beginning of 2011. I would call up Satin for the rest of the year. I like Tejada, but this team needs a 2b that can hit a little bit.
really we should be in on Kelly Johnson
with whoever’s running the d-backs now we might be able to swap frenchy and castillo for him.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I brought up trading for Johnson a week or so ago.
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2010/7/10/1562726/should-the-mets-try-to-trade-for-a
People seemed to think we’d actually have to give up decent prospects to get him.
Though in a perfect Met world I’d make this trade with the Royals and they trade some prospects for Johnson. What would it take you think?
If we could do all that the Mets would be better off now and next year for sure being as Johnson has one year or arb left.
It's like the Mets intentionally avoid players with any "real" upside.
They only get players whose upside is league average corner outfielder.
Sounds gangsta
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 25, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
im more saddened by Johnson
Lopez’s has been pretty up and down at 2 million he was clearly worth the gamble but there was no guarantee he’d actually be better than Castillo. Johnson had one down year and pretty much a lock to be better, not to mention under team control for like 2 more years I think.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
He can also pitch.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 25, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It sucks being a Mets fan, currently.
But, it sucks more being a Royals fan…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 25, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Reading the comments at Royals Review is pretty funny and amazing at the same time. Personally, best one is:
It’s time to decide the contest. It all comes down to this.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 25, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It sucks equally.
They’re just different kinds of pain.
Nice.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 25, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The Darren Daulton slam is great
but I like the Bravo slam for 5 game playoff series.
this is great
either side? please it makes tons of sense for the Mets Meche is better than Perez, Guillen and Farny are decent rental options…GMDM should be assassinated if this goes down
This just made me really happy over at the Royals blog
Ring
Omar: HEY DAYTON ITS OMAR
Dayton: Talk to me
Omar: I GOT A BIG BAG OF SHIT WHADDYA GOT
Dayton: A similarly large bag of shit
Omar: LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN
Dayton: Done
Dayton Moore: Keeping Mets Fans out of the Hudson River since 2009 and for 4 more years
by Balagast on Jul 25, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
I literally almost fell out of my office chair reading that at first
It’s entertaining reading the fans of other teams where the fans are smarter than the people running the team.
Amazin Avenue and Royal Review should have a Co-Op or something :D
I'm not sure if Rec'd a C&P really counts
But yeah, that was the best post along with some of the Photoshops of Dayton diabolical plans
It's the lack of punctuation in the 3rd line that gets me
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
At least he is, you know, making, uh, sense with his words
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 25, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
As said above, crap for crap
This seems more like a deal to get rid of the players that both teams’ fans blame for their woes.
The Mets need to stop playing the short-term game. We should be sellers. See if a contender with a need for an OF bat will take Beltran. No one will take Perez. Under no situation trade a guy under the age of 25, unless you are getting another young guy in return. Stop favoring the guys with the big names and start favoring the guys who perform (Pagan).
The coaching staff needs some work. Hojo is not going to be the guy to teach players how to lay off curveballs in the dirt. The golf swing was his specialty. Don’t put a good starter in the bullpen just because you need bullpen help. Parnell is a starter. Heilman was a starter. If your coaches can’t develop these guys as starters, then you need new coaches. If you need bullpen help, then you spend the $3-$4 million it takes to get a decent reliever.
We see now why Holliday and Bay are not comparable. Holliday makes contact. If you look at their numbers compared to their era, Bay is no better than Kevin McReynolds was. And no one ever considered McReynolds one of the top OFs of his era.
With all due respect
Parnell is not and will never be a major league starting pitcher.
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Agreed
But he could be a good MLB reliever.
Keep it up, and sure, awesome.
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Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 26, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Parnell
There is a reason he made it all the way up to us as a starter. All he needs is a little movement on that fastball. Oh yeah, and a second pitch.
I think Santana needs to teach everyone else his changeup.
Yeah and that reason is because he had a 96+ MPH fastball
He certainly did not put up good numbers as a minor league starter. K/9 of 7.9, BB/9 of 3.9. His control has always been suspect and he doesn’t have another pitch beyond the straight fastball and a mediocre slider. I agree that he’s a solid bullpen arm (though not a closer and maybe even borderline as a SU man). But definitely not starter material.
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His offspeed stuff has always stunk which led to walks and being hit hard
Without the junk, all you are left with is a ROOGY and they don’t make good starters.
This could be said about pretty much every pitcher, though.
Everyone would like to be able to add some movement on their fastball or add quality pitches.
by EricAColucci on Jul 26, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
He made it all te way to us as a starter
because our other options sucked and we were desperate. He was terrible most of his time in the minors as a starter and a borderline none prospect.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Unfortunatley,
too many Mets fans don’t consider Jeff Francoeur a source of our woes.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 26, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure he's bad at baseball
but does he have the loser aura like Beltran?
Eats curveballs like milkshakes my ass...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 26, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I heard a caller on WFAN saying how much he loves Fancoeur and is pissed they are looking to trade him...
… and that his numbers don’t reflect his true impact on the team, how his leadership makes him a special player… yadayada
Yeah I almost puked listening to that.
by secret defense on Jul 26, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It's generally better for your health to not listen to WFAN
I stopped listening, and feel a little better about my life, in general.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 26, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever watched a really intense horror movie?
That’s WFAN. In small doses, it’s perfectly healthy.
Only in small doses.
Ugh, I hate horror movies.
I don’t know why people would want to scare themselves on purpose.
I still get edgy sometimes having played Silent Hill like over ten years ago.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 26, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Silent Hill is one of the few real scary video games
The others are basically just action games where some stuff pops out for a cheap scare.
For sure
Silent Hill 2 is still one of my all-time favorite games.
by EricAColucci on Jul 26, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot/most people like the second one the most.
I don’t know; I like the first the best. The second one, while good, was just missing something.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 26, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoy some of Dario Argento's horror films
not because they are scary (they are not), but because they look great, have badass soundtracks by Goblin, and have really silly stories that I can make fun of.
by secret defense on Jul 26, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Being sellers makes sense, but
can you imagine the destruction? The fan base would go absolutely apeshit. The team doesn’t have much to sell, at least not for anything good, so I can’t imagine it would be worth the hit the Wilpons would take at the cash registers.
You know what...sometimes you have to ignore the idiot faction of the fanbase
and just go ahead and do what’s right for the team. Retooling (let’s call it that) if done right could get some solid prospects into the organization to go along with an already solid crop of guys in the system. The “you can’t rebuild in New York” is just bullshit, plain and simple. What do fans want? They want to see their team win…there a lot of fans who are sick of the way this team has been run, sick of the acquisitions of old washed up vets and sick of not spending money on the draft. It’s all about jumping into the pool and making the tough moves up front that will eventually lead to a perpetual contender. Instead this team decides to go for the flashy name and the instant gratification every single time.
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What you described
requires an ownership/FO with reasoning skills above that of a 5th grade level and guts to follow through on an “unpopular” plan.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Good points,
though I do think that any team with the Mets payroll, a payroll that can be higher as any team other than the Yankees, never HAS to rebuild unless it has blundered away the advantage that payroll provides.
If the Mets were willing to add another good starter along with a good 2bman and a sound arm for the pen they’d be instant contenders. That doesn’t require the trade of any of their current useful players. Hell, all it would have taken to be solidly in contention this year in spite of the current atrocious hitting slump was an adequate manager.
Add that manager to the three roster-solidifying moves I mentioned above and we’re looking at favorites to take the NL. It really shouldn’t require a rebuild, just the sound use of available resources.
This was my favourite quote from the Royals forum
Luis Castillo is the shittiest $6M man in baseball until Francoeur gets that raise.
So much truth and pain in one sentence.
by deadspy3 on Jul 26, 2010 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Mets Win!
It looks like (2010 is the prorated salary):
Player 2010 2011
Castillo 2.4 6.0
Perez 4.8 12.0
Francouer 2.0 x
Meche 4.8 12.0
Guillen 4.8 x
Farnsworth 4.5 0.5 buyout
Mets current obligations: 2010 9.2 2011 18.0 Total 27.2
Royals current obligations: 2010: 14.1 2011 12.5 Total 26.6
So, the obligations are very, very close. It comes down to the players. If you think as I do that Perez will never pitch well again, and Meche has as much as a 20% shot at being decent again in 2011, the Mets are in effect getting a free shot at a good pitcher.
Kyle Farnsworth looks to me like a perfectly serviceable reliever with good (3:1) control. He’s a useful player. Jeff Francouer is also, in the LH platoon role, a useful player. If the Royals don’t use him wisely that’s their problem. I’ll call these two a wash.
That leaves Guillen versus Castillo. Assuming Guillen accepts the 4th OFer role he’s likely to be useful where Castillo probably isn’t.
In no case is this trade an advantage to the Royals, and the Mets get an extra half million out of the deal. If I was the Royals I’d consider it if the Mets threw in a B or B- prospect, Kirk N, for instance.
If any version of the deal went down
I’m sure we’re throwing in a low level prospect or some money.
make it so.
This deal would amuse me endlessly
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jul 26, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions
They should throw in Cora and Bloomquist
just for shits and giggles.
I want to see that vest kick in
while he’s wearing a KC uniform.
by EricAColucci on Jul 26, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
be fair
it’s a hilarious idea, but Rosenthal said … "I’m not saying three-for-three … Just saying those names all under discussion."
i don't really get the idea that we should be selllers
the only thing we have worth selling is Beltran and it’s unlikely he’d fetch much coming off his injury, with the money owed to him and the inability to be offered arbitration.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
So....we should stand pat???
Well, that should be easy for Omar, considering that’s what he’s done the last 2 deadlines.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
The best part is that Farnsworth has an option!
So when he’s lights out in August/September, Omar can’t sign him to a $18MM/3 year extension — he’ll just exercise the option!
Kyle Farnsworth...
MAJOR facepalm. He is so bad.
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Maybe for you guys
but he’s been pretty solid with KC and moving to the NL can only help.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
it hasn't helped Bay
the AL to NL thing is a little overrated. It’s not automatic by any stretch.
Of course not
but look at his numbers with KC, there pretty good; his last two years he’ s posted a <3.25FIP & >7K/9,
Save Jenrry Mejia!
I think the AL to NL thing
is generally for pitchers not so much hitters. Since 1. there’s no DH, and 2. NL offenses as a whole seem to be weaker, maybe just because there’s no DH.
But I imagine replacing most teams elite hitters with pitchers makes a pretty big difference number wise for pitchers.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Anybody or anyTHING for Perez and Castillo!
It’s not a coincidence that when these guys are on the Mets, the whole team blows. My theory is because they get paid so much to blow, it affects morale and nobody wants to try hard or even care, for that matter. The other players see mucous-infused crap is rewarded with multi-million dollar contracts and vacations in Port St. Lucie, so what’’s the point?
I don’t care who or what Perez and Castillo are traded for as long as they’re gone. They should be DFA’d, but if Omar can get anything of value for them, even a big Hefty bag of pigeon poop that can be sold for fertilizer, it would be a pretty impressive feat.
Aaaah, the Royals.
They love our leftovers.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 26, 2010 4:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Seemingly Banny might be available too
So how about:
Farnsworth/Meche/Guillen/Bannister
for
Perez/Francouer/Castilo/Cora/Kunz (token non-prospect)
I would call that trade “”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augean_stables" target="new">The Cleaning of the Augean Stables"
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